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[Beamer]

a) It would be a major morale boost for everyone working for Mercedes
b) Mercedes isn't to far off pace. A few more improvements should do the trick and VER is the kind of driver that make most of the cars potential

C) it would make no sense for verstappen whatsoever

[Autodromo]

RB was the quickest car on mediums. With the hards it was more or less at Ferrari level (which Max consider absolutely awful going by his team radio) and McL was the fastest

But RB was the quickest overall, since they finished ahead of McLaren.  Right?  

[SenorSjon]

RB wasn't running well on low fuel. They were chasing a decent setup all weekend long. They didn't really find it. It seems quite the diva to setup post Suzuka.

[1player]

A boring track for racing that will be followed by the ultimative borefest. Fortunately, there's only a week in between.

Monaco somehow voted in the Top 5 of best modern circuits because of its "atmosphere" by our own forum readers. LMAO. If we need to have a procession a year, I'd rather have it at Imola. The happy Ferrari families are better atmosphere than bored rich tourists in their boat shoes.

Edited by 1player, 19 May 2024 - 16:46.

[SilverArrow31]

Monaco somehow voted in the Top 5 of best modern circuits because of its "atmosphere" by our own forum readers. LMAO. If we need to have a procession a year, I'd rather have it at Imola. The happy Ferrari families are better atmosphere than bored rich tourists in their boat shoes.

Monaco is the best saturday of the year! I just see it like that. Qualy is the main event.

[1player]

Monaco is the best saturday of the year! I just see it like that. Qualy is the main event.

It's a bit like the sprint race conundrum, no? We're here for the main event, not a fun diversion. A boring procession with a fun quali still is a boring procession. If we are saying we need to axe Imola, we should consider axing Monaco as well. A race literally propped up by the rose tinted glasses. When all that remains are the much maligned Netflix fans, we will finally be able to get rid of an event which has been a borefest the entirety of this millennium (I'm being hyperbolic now)

[LolaB0860]

Jeddah with 1500 fake DRS overtakes and dull atmosphere is infinitely more boring than Imola with atmosphere and 1 real overtake, or Monaco with 0 overtakes. Not that this race itself was particularly good (apart from end) but it's not like these cars have generally been racing much better with current rules elsewhere anyway

Edited by LolaB0860, 19 May 2024 - 17:04.

[UltimateLegacy]

Jeddah with 1500 fake DRS overtakes and dull atmosphere is infinitely more boring than Imola with atmosphere and 1 real overtake, or Monaco with 0 overtakes.

Jeddah 2022 was arguably the top 5 most entertaining race of this ground effect era though.

[LolaB0860]

Jeddah 2022 was arguably the top 5 most entertaining race of this ground effect era though.

What happened in that race? I vaguely remember people just playing DRS games because it was so overpowered with the zones they had. Or was that 2023. They all just blend together (apart from 2021 but that was for different ridiculous reasons...)

Edited by LolaB0860, 19 May 2024 - 17:07.

[SenorSjon]

Jeddah 2022 was arguably the top 5 most entertaining race of this ground effect era though.

I actually forgot what happened there?

[crooky369]

I actually forgot what happened there?

Epic race long duel between Leclerc and Verstappen.

[Autodromo]

For me there is a beauty to the race as well.  The visuals.  Imola is a beautiful place and honestly Monaco is as well (albeit in a different way).  Jeddah is not (maybe in real life, but not the visuals we see during the race).  As weird as Monaco is, it is still a visually stunning weekend to watch.

[Autodromo]

And LeClerc had the definite measure of Sainz for the third weekend in a row.

[CharlesWinstone]

Unfortunately it was Norris behind Max not Hamilton or Alonso or Leclerc.

Lando always lacks something.

Then please tell us what he is lacking. All three went off and couldn't keep up with Lando.

Edited by CharlesWinstone, 19 May 2024 - 20:39.

[Bliman]

The please tell us what he is lacking. All three went off and couldn't keep up with Lando.

He was pushing too hard at the end making tiny errors that cost him time. Max wasn't.

[TauriJ]

He was pushing too hard at the end making tiny errors that cost him time. Max wasn't.

What do you expect with dirty air?

[JimmyClark]

For me there is a beauty to the race as well. The visuals. Imola is a beautiful place and honestly Monaco is as well (albeit in a different way). Jeddah is not (maybe in real life, but not the visuals we see during the race). As weird as Monaco is, it is still a visually stunning weekend to watch.

It helps that you can see it as it's not a night race. But the blue sea and mountains next to each other make for a stunning backdrop, even if the modern buildings around Monaco leave a bit to be desired.

[Bliman]

What do you expect with dirty air?

How do you know it was from dirty air? He wasn't making those errors in the last two laps I think.

[404KF2]

Thank heavens for PVRs....watched it in FFWD until lap 57.

[Yamamoto]

I actually forgot what happened there?

 

Frentzen passed Salo on the last lap for the win after Salo's vision was obscured by the smog from the active Volcano that had formed on the exit of the fourth corner, if I recall correctly.

[absinthedude]

It was OK, pretty dull until the closing laps. Lando has come on leaps and bounds since I last watched. That Red Bull isn't as dominant as it has been. WTF happened to Checo? 

 

Beautiful track, of course. Exactly the kind of place F1 should be going, so I expect it will be dropped from the calendar after next year in favour of a night race on a street circuit in a dodgy country. 

 

I cannot fathom how anyone could call Imola "boring". But then I guess many new fans have been brought into the modern F1 which doesn't give a damn about it's own history. I'll check out for the rest of 2024. Might try a race or two in 2025 if Andretti are let in for 25 or 26, and if FOM stop playing silly buggers. 

[monolulu]

For me there is a beauty to the race as well. The visuals. Imola is a beautiful place and honestly Monaco is as well (albeit in a different way). Jeddah is not (maybe in real life, but not the visuals we see during the race). As weird as Monaco is, it is still a visually stunning weekend to watch.

If Imola wants to keep its place on the calendar it needs to treat the fans better! Been there for the first time this weekend & it has the worst (potentially dangerous) grandstands that I’ve seen anywhere. They make Monza’s bleachers look good! The signage is poor & entrance is restricted at some places so it can be difficult to get in to the circuit without walking miles. Not impressed!

[Cadence]

Good race from Stroll today. Holding things up for AM.

Alonso had the weekend from hell.

[Bloggsworth]

Blimey! An actual race...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 19 May 2024 - 21:20.

[JimmyClark]

Good race from Stroll today. Holding things up for AM.

Alonso had the weekend from hell.

indeed, he's quietly getting on with the job. Still some pace worries with him, but he's keeping out of trouble this year.

[Bliman]

I also want to say that I seemed overall critical of Norris. But that is not the case. I love seeing him hungry for success. I am looking forward to seeing him fighting Max. We haven't seen that yet and I am curious how it will go.

[amerikalei]

The cars are too big for that circuit.  They just looked like lumbering, yet fast, beasts. 

 

They're using the platform size of a full size US SUV (Ford Expedition / Chevy Suburban), with all the bits designed to fit into a center of gravity below the wheel tops. 

 

It got me wondering if the regulations that created these monsters developed as an aero response or because of considerations with hybrid packaging needs.  I know Max Mosely was concerned about slowing the cars for safety, so the size may be to do with protection zones.  On the other hand it would not surprise me of he and Bernie just wanted larger cars for more sponsorship logo potential.

 

But regardless they looked bad on a great circuit.  As others have also noted, was thankful for the ff feature for most of the race, except the last five laps. 

 

Also, the broadcast editing was junk, too many edit cuts, too fast, just because they can.  Doesn't anyone in the control room appreciate watching an actual race?  And then the stupid graphic overlays.  Aside from the timing column on the left, and I suppose the overlay on the halo, the rest should be binned.  As should the driver facing camera, at least during the active race.

[PayasYouRace]

The cars are too big for that circuit. They just looked like lumbering, yet fast, beasts.

They're using the platform size of a full size US SUV (Ford Expedition / Chevy Suburban), with all the bits designed to fit into a center of gravity below the wheel tops.

It got me wondering if the regulations that created these monsters developed as an aero response or because of considerations with hybrid packaging needs. I know Max Mosely was concerned about slowing the cars for safety, so the size may be to do with protection zones. On the other hand it would not surprise me of he and Bernie just wanted larger cars for more sponsorship logo potential.

The main cause of the length of the cars is the aerodynamic advantages associated with it.

As there is no overall restriction on length, though the front and rear overhangs are a function of deformable crash structures. The presence of many crash structures and other safety features contributes to the weight as well. Packaging the turbo and hybrid components also contributes to size, and most teams would rather place these components in a line to increase length and decrease cross sectional area.

Overall, a narrower, longer car will produce less drag, and the air can be worked to create downforce more easily. Think about it as the different between the first chicane and the Ascari chicane at Monza. For the same speed, the latter is much easier to drive through because the curves are wider,

Of course the width is mandated and is currently equal to cars from 1993 to 1997.

The size of these cars has little to do with Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone, especially the former. Mosley generally wanted to lighten the cars as a lighter car carries less energy into a crash. However, that means they experience higher accelerations, so from the driver’s point of view, a heavier car can be safer.

I totally get that smaller, lighter cars are more fun to watch, as they’re less stable and more affected by external forces. So they move around a lot more and are visually interesting. But you’d have to mandate smaller cars, because for a long time greater performance can be produced in larger cars.

[Gareth]

FWIW I enjoyed that race a lot, despite I guess not much really happening (Piastri undercut Sainz! List kind of ends?). It was tense at the end.

 

Loved seeing Norris absolutely wring the neck of that car in pursuit of another win. Nice to see him hopefully develop that killer instinct that has seemed possibly lacking at times (with him taking a very conservative, but probably generally sensible, risk vs reward approach to battling).

 

Really pleased with the progress McLaren and Ferrari seem to be making in closing the gap.

 

Think that was an overall incredible race weekend from Max. Qualifying was so tight, as was the race at the end. 1 tenth slower on that qualy lap and its a whole different weekend for him. He ultimately made the difference yesterday, should have been driver of the day imo. Nice seeing him get properly challenged.

[ANF]

Verstappen with a black and white flag for track limits

How did you find out about this? Was it ever communicated in the TV graphics? If not, then why the hell not?

[PayasYouRace]

How did you find out about this? Was it ever communicated in the TV graphics? If not, then why the hell not?

 

It was shown in the usual message from race control graphic.

[Boxerevo]

The cars are too big for that circuit.  They just looked like lumbering, yet fast, beasts. 

 

This 1000x until it gets in someone head in the FIA. These cars are too big everywhere.

Edited by Boxerevo, 20 May 2024 - 17:49.

[ANF]

It was shown in the usual message from race control graphic.

Yeah, you're right, it was shown on TV within a minute after the actual message had appeared on the race control messaging screen. I must have been watching the wrong screen and filtered out the commentary.

[Zmeej]

Mostly a dull race, which was OK to watch, because Mme and I were chez Zmeejette, who has access to the F1 channel.

 

Unfortunately, the watching became close to intolerable because the commentators (Cubey included, unfortunately, and uncharacteristically) began to lose their minds over the fact that Lando began closing on Max in the last few laps, rather than actually fighting for the lead, whose empirical characteristics even Mr Coulthard seems to have lost a grip on.

 

Meself, thought that the best possible outcome would have been a replay of Adelaide 1994, when Schumi took out Damon, with the caveat that I would not have been outraged, but pleased.

Edited by Zmeej, 20 May 2024 - 21:49.

[Zmeej]

Apart from the above, very nice tribute to Ayrton & Roland by Herr Vettel...

… although the bowing before the MP4 was, IMHO, a bit much.

Edited by Zmeej, 20 May 2024 - 21:50.

[Deeq]

How did you find out about this? Was it ever communicated in the TV graphics? If not, then why the hell not?

F1TV commented on it..ca 10 or so laps from the end.
No graphics or any race control message i have seen...

Edited by Deeq, 20 May 2024 - 21:42.

[ANF]

F1TV commented on it..ca 10 or so laps from the end.
No graphics or any race control message i have seen...

I had another look and the usual FIA message was actually shown on lap 24 – during Piastri's pit stop and when Norris was about to pass Pérez.

I suppose they should have shown the message again together with the usual track limit replay from Verstappen's onboard to highlight it. The race leader being shown the black-and-white flag for track limits at Imola with 40 laps to go is pretty important information...

[Heyli]

A bit late too the party, but I enjoyed that race. Already enjoyed it a lot more than last weekends going into the race as I genuinely didnt know who would be fastest. And it was good to see a weekend where the driver can make a difference. More of this!

[SophieB]

Is anyone currently making a Monaco thread or do I have to copy and paste my work from last year?

[SophieB]

SO BE IT

 

https://forums.autos.../#entry10600671

[FLB]

Lovely to see this thread wasn't closed

 

 

Who knew this weas going to be THE race that was going to show what the rest of the season was going to be like?