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#1 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:33

Ah, Monaco. Which is usually, let’s face it, all about qualifying as the cars get ever fatter and wider and actual overtakes become ever more theoretical but come on, which among us does not have at some curiosity at seeing whether Charles Leclerc will finally win his home race or whether fate will intervene once again? 
 

Anyway, I’m shamelessly grabbing my old links from last year for Monaco highlights…

Monaco's greatest hits

  • Ascari crashing into the harbour. As a kid I was always vaguely concerned this might one day somehow happen. Didn't know then it wasn't just a theoretical possibility.
  • 1982 and the race finish described by James Hunt thus: "Well, we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past, and we don't seem to be getting one!" Patrese blinked first and took the race win that seemingly no-one wanted. As a reminder, this was super boring for 98% of the running time…
  • The 1992 duel between Senna and Mansell.
  • Keke Rosberg winning in 1983 with horrifyingly blistered hands.
  • Ayrton Senna and Stefan Bellof having storming  debuts in 1984 in the wet.
  • Ayrton Senna and his mystical experiences during the 1988 qualifying and more prosaic ones during the race the next day, crashing from the lead.
  • Ayrton flying here in 1990.
  • Only three (three!) cars finishing the race in 1996
  • Michael Schumacher being found guilty deliberately crashing in his qualifying to bring out yellow flags and therefore stopping Alonso beating his time.
  • ​Fernando Alonso threatening to lie down before the cars at the race start like Arthur Dent protesting a bypass if the above wasn't punished. 
  • Nico Rosberg later being found not guilty of doing the same thing to Lewis Hamilton in 2014.
  • Kimi breaking the heart of Adrian Sutil by crashing him out of a podium place in 2008.
  • More positively from Michael, this was the scene of his last pole position winning time in 2012 even if a grid penalty meant he didn't get to keep it. Also this from 1996. A thing of wonder from one of the true greats.
  • Hamilton crashing in 2008 and somehow winning
  • Hamilton crashing about three times in 2011 and blowing up the world in his answer about why the stewards kept penalising him.
  • Perez winning after crashing at the end of qualifying. (Kind of a recurring theme, huh) Also kind of a long fuse on that one for the Red Bull internal team dynamic.
  • Button crashing Pascal Wehrlein out on his temporary return and earning a third place grid penalty…which he is yet to serve
  • Many more things I've forgotten. Why not add more in the thread?


Don’t forget this all kicks of on Friday now, not Thursday. 

All times BST:

 

FP1    Fri  1230

FP2    Fri  1600

FP3    Sat  1130

Q.      Sat  1500

Race  Sun 1400

 



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#2 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:37

@McLarenF1

For the King of Monaco.  We're proud to race in his honour and in his colours at the #MonacoGP.

 
Pelo Rei de Monaco. Estamos orgulhosos de pilotar em sua homenagem e com suas cores no #MonacoGP
 

 

https://x.com/mclare...5289905508?s=61



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:42

@McLarenF1

For the King of Monaco.  We're proud to race in his honour and in his colours at the #MonacoGP.

 
Pelo Rei de Monaco. Estamos orgulhosos de pilotar em sua homenagem e com suas cores no #MonacoGP
 

 

https://x.com/mclare...5289905508?s=61

 

I've decided what they're actually doing is celebrating the 35th anniversary of Pierre-Henri Rapahenel's only F1 start. And frankly, qualifying a Coloni in the days of pre-qualifying is a feat greater than anything Senna managed.

 

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:43

PS. Still think it's wrong that we didn't have free practice today.



#5 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:46

PS. Still think it's wrong that we didn't have free practice today.

I know, right? It used to be that the had their own tv directors, their own real flags, their own unique podium that was just some steps and that was cool and their own FP day. Shame it’s become a bit homogeneous.

 

It also meant I missed F2 practice today, who are seemingly keeping it real.



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:55

My favourite race of the season!

#7 PayasYouRace

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 18:58

I know, right? It used to be that the had their own tv directors, their own real flags, their own unique podium that was just some steps and that was cool and their own FP day. Shame it’s become a bit homogeneous.

It also meant I missed F2 practice today, who are seemingly keeping it real.


You’d think in todays Liberty era of races getting to do whatever they like (cf Las Vegas), having the traditional Thursday, Saturday, Sunday sequence at Monaco would be OK.

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:01

My favourite race of the season!

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#9 Autodromo

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:04

Love the Arthur Dent reference!

 

I know a lot of people thought Imola was boring but it seemed to whet my appetite for seeing these cars on a narrow twisty track again, so I can't wait for this weekend!  Of course I can also watch the other two races with cars on a wide, non-twisty track as well.  I will be full!



#10 Ruusperi

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:09


  • Many more things I've forgotten. Why not add more in the thread?

2000: Charlie Whiting accidentally pressing the wrong button, resulting red flag (as revealed by Herbie Blash in Beyond the Grid Podcast) :lol:

https://youtu.be/67K...KJgJ4pF4j&t=328



#11 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:09

Oh wait, I forgot another great Monaco moment - Bottas and his endless pitstop. Favourite bit: Ferrari popping over and suggesting they smash the wheel off with a big mallet.



#12 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:14

Jules Bianchi's only championship points in 2014, featuring some expert barging at Rascasse (there'd be more overtaking if the drivers were allowed to crash into each other)

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:17

Oh wait, I forgot another great Monaco moment - Bottas and his endless pitstop. Favourite bit: Ferrari popping over and suggesting they smash the wheel off with a big mallet.

Kimi had a few memorable times at Monaco.  2006 in particular.



#14 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:17

Jules Bianchi's only championship points in 2014, featuring some expert barging at Rascasse (there'd be more overtaking if the drivers were allowed to crash into each other)

I was just talking about Bianchi earlier at home about this exact thing. I like that it’s mostly at this where he, and the happiness of that day are remembered so fondly, if poignantly.  



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:37

Oh wait, I forgot another great Monaco moment - Bottas and his endless pitstop. Favourite bit: Ferrari popping over and suggesting they smash the wheel off with a big mallet.

How about 1965, when Graham Hill, "Mr Monaco", was baulked by a limping backmarker at the chicane and spun out of the lead. Hill had to get out of the car to push it back in the right direction, hopped back in and rejoined in fifth place. Then he fought his way back up the order and won the race, the third of his five wins there.

 

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https://www.motorspo...aco-grand-prix/


Edited by Sterzo, 23 May 2024 - 19:42.


#16 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:41

How did he get the car going again? Was it rolling downhill?

#17 Sterzo

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:44

I think that's right, Risil. I saw it on TV but memory has faded a little in the 59 years since.



#18 Collombin

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:47

That was also the year Paul Hawkins did an Ascari.

#19 SophieB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 19:56

How about 1965, when Graham Hill, "Mr Monaco", was baulked by a limping backmarker at the chicane and spun out of the lead. Hill had to get out of the car to push it back in the right direction, hopped back in and rejoined in fifth place. Then he fought his way back up the order and won the race, the third of his five wins there.
 
1965-Monaco.png?rlkey=0gewgykfwwoqekife0
 
https://www.motorspo...aco-grand-prix/

It’s not quite so dramatic but reminds me of how Patrese won in 82, despite beaching himself at Loews a lap or so earlier.
 
e. Enjoy the madness once again



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#20 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:02

Derek Daly leaping like a salmon at the first corner in 1980. Presumably the greatest piece of accidental marketing ever achieved by a washing machine manufacturer.



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:09

Perhaps Stirling Moss’ finest drive came here in 1961. There was also the tidal wave hitting the track in 1950 and Nuvolari vs Varzi in 1933.

#22 Collombin

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:12

When was Hunt v Depailler, 1975? Gave the marshal a look without going full Mosport 1977 and shook his fist at Patrick next time round.

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:19

Worst GP of the year, best qualifying of the year.

 

Annoyingly it clashes with the FA Cup final this weekend.



#24 FLB

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:20

When was Hunt v Depailler, 1975? Gave the marshal a look without going full Mosport 1977 and shook his fist at Patrick next time round.

 



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:22

Chances are low... but

 

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#26 milestone 11

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:22

How about 1965, when Graham Hill, "Mr Monaco", was baulked by a limping backmarker at the chicane and spun out of the lead. Hill had to get out of the car to push it back in the right direction, hopped back in and rejoined in fifth place. Then he fought his way back up the order and won the race, the third of his five wins there.

1965-Monaco.png?rlkey=0gewgykfwwoqekife0

https://www.motorspo...aco-grand-prix/

How did he get the car going again? Was it rolling downhill?

 


Edited by milestone 11, 23 May 2024 - 20:28.


#27 F1Frog

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:23

Worst GP of the year, best qualifying of the year.

Annoyingly it clashes with the FA Cup final this weekend.


And the playoff final, but luckily that doesn’t matter as Ipswich are already up :)

#28 Risil

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:23

Senna was disqualified for less!!



#29 RekF1

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 20:29

PS. Still think it's wrong that we didn't have free practice today.

I only came here to see the free practice results and kick arse!

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 21:47

Chances are low... but

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Annoyingly rain looks likely on Saturday but very unlikely for Sunday.

#31 ANF

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 21:52

Senna was disqualified for less!!

I guess that's what Senna should have done according to Balestre's logic!



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Posted 23 May 2024 - 21:56

26) Changes to the Circuit
• Resurfacing between exit Turn 4 until entry Turn 6.
• Resurfacing between exit Turn 6 until entry Turn 10.
• Resurfacing between exit Turn. 19 until exit Turn 1.
• FIA fence upgraded with 45 degrees angled upper part between Turn 13 and Turn 15 on LHS.

 

Oh, and if you go down that escape road like Graham Hill, remember to wait for the lights.

 

18) Turn 10-11 Escape Road
If a car uses the escape road at Turn 10-11 (Chicane), the driver may re-join the track only when the lights, operated the marshal on the spot, are turned to green.



#33 Dutchrudder

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 22:05

Unfortunately 2018 shows the true nature of this race in the modern era, Ricciardo managing to win despite his car being in limp-home mode for 60 laps.

We can hope for a bit of rain to spice things up, quali is always great, and the sheer ability of these drivers wrestling 1000hp rocket ships around this tiny town is something to be admired regardless.

Will be interesting to see if Max can keep his nose ahead in quali, beginning of the year the RBR actually looked a lot less dominant over a single lap before having a huge race pace advantage. The Sunday advantage has dissipated but the quail’s have still been good from Max so far.

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 22:07

 but the quail’s have still been good from Max so far.

Because Max is Max!



#35 LolaB0860

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 22:11

When I think of Monaco, I automatically think of this great view, and that damn ship that was always in that same shot (whatever it happened to be)

 

But alas, the view is long dead, the concrete canyon is complete

 

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Anyway... I think this low angle really highlights how much movement cars can have even at very low speeds...

 


Edited by LolaB0860, 23 May 2024 - 22:22.


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Posted 23 May 2024 - 22:32

18) Turn 10-11 Escape Road
If a car uses the escape road at Turn 10-11 (Chicane), the driver may re-join the track only when the lights, operated the marshal on the spot, are turned to green.


Leaving something like that to the discretion of a marshal seems like a can of worms to me

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 22:38

Obligatory "track blocked" showreel for non-F1

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by LolaB0860, 23 May 2024 - 22:51.


#38 Tiakumosan

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 23:04

Leader will be slow to avoid an undercut again, right?

#39 ANF

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Posted 23 May 2024 - 23:29

My favourite Monaco "track blocked":





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Posted 23 May 2024 - 23:34

My favourite Monaco "track blocked":



Mine:

 



#41 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 00:43

20 years (**** I’m getting old quick) since the Jaguar ‘missing diamond’ saga of 2004….

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 02:06

Obligatory "track blocked" showreel for non-F1

 

 

Wow, that was brutal and scary :eek:  - I never saw (or had completely forgotten about) that accident!



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Posted 24 May 2024 - 04:30

26) Changes to the Circuit
• Resurfacing between exit Turn 4 until entry Turn 6.
• Resurfacing between exit Turn 6 until entry Turn 10.
• Resurfacing between exit Turn. 19 until exit Turn 1.
• FIA fence upgraded with 45 degrees angled upper part between Turn 13 and Turn 15 on LHS.

 
Oh, and if you go down that escape road like Graham Hill, remember to wait for the lights.
 
18) Turn 10-11 Escape Road
If a car uses the escape road at Turn 10-11 (Chicane), the driver may re-join the track only when the lights, operated the marshal on the spot, are turned to green.


No gravel traps?

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 05:49

No gravel traps?


Remove the barriers!

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 05:59

20 years (**** I’m getting old quick) since the Jaguar ‘missing diamond’ saga of 2004….


I was working at Jaguar F1 at the time. The week after the ‘incident’, the bodywork remains of Webber’s car were dumped in a store room at the factory. The diamond was supposedly glued to the nosecone, which was badly damaged.

I do remember giving the smashed up part a good look over, just in case the diamond was lodged somewhere.

And guess what?

I’m still poor…

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 06:23

Wow, that was brutal and scary :eek: - I never saw (or had completely forgotten about) that accident!


The hit marshal gives the first comment in the comment section of the YouTube video…

#47 Henri Greuter

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Posted 24 May 2024 - 06:23

My favourite race of the season!

 

 

 

Race?

 

Race?

 

 

 

Now should you have named it an event ......



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Posted 24 May 2024 - 06:38

Maldonado was initially banned for life from racing in Monaco for that incident.

 

Disgustingly, that was overturned.

 

Totally inexcusable from him, he arrived on the scene nearly two minutes after the incident began,



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Posted 24 May 2024 - 07:04

Race?

 

Race?

 

 

 

Now should you have named it an event ......

 

The sprint monstrosities are an event and no race.

 

And as a race isnt dictated by the amount of overtakes on track, this is a race. And what kind of race it is. Daunting guardrails close by. Seeing drivers navigate tight corners at impossible speeds. Brushing the guardrails with the tires. This, to me, is a proper race. And every year this is one of the highlights to me.



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Posted 24 May 2024 - 07:21

I would like to see Monaco go for a Top Ten Shootout style qualifying to replace Q3.

 

I am very excited for Monaco. I just have the strongest feeling that this is Oscar's weekend to shine. The Australians have always gone well here. He will be no different. He's in monstrous form.