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Kmag, Hulk, Perez crash at start of Monaco 2024


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Poll: Race crash at start (217 member(s) have cast votes)

Who was at fault there?

  1. Magnussen (146 votes [67.28%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.28%

  2. Perez (22 votes [10.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.14%

  3. Racing incident (45 votes [20.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.74%

  4. Something else I haven’t mentioned (4 votes [1.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.84%

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#1 SophieB

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:17

Nasty incident, this thread is to capture any fallout arising from it, if any.



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#2 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:18

Kmag race ban soon ?



#3 NCB619

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:19

I voted racing incident - but it is still Magnussen's fault. If that makes sense.



#4 TheFish

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:20

Racing incident, slightly more Magnussen's fault but Perez was a bit stupid to be squeezing him.



#5 sportyskells

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:22

That crash blew everybody full race guess in the casio bairrer in the how long did it take to lap K-mag i have a feeling we get to guess bearman next time out (at least he has no F2 racing plans UNLIKE in Saudi



#6 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:24

100% Magnussen. You absolutely cannot stick your nose in there at that point in Monaco. No way Perez can anticipate anyone would be that stupid. Brundle even covered it at the end of the formation lap, about making sure you know the person you are passing knows you are coming or it will end in a crash. Stupid move from a stupid driver.

#7 krea

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:30

Racing incident, slightly more Magnussen's fault but Perez was a bit stupid to be squeezing him.

 

Magnussen was already hitting the wall when he had plenty of space. Guy has no control over his racing. 



#8 Frood

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:37

Magnussen is taking no blame in an interview on Sky. Says Pérez is at fault.



#9 NCB619

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:38

After listening to KMag speaking to Sky - I have changed my mind. If he thinks Perez is heading to the wall, then something is seriously wrong.



#10 Disgrace

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:39

Magnussen is taking no blame in an interview on Sky. Says Pérez is at fault.

 

Well, his other option is to say "BAN ME".



#11 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 13:46

Magnussen is taking no blame in an interview on Sky. Says Pérez is at fault.

He was meek and his body language said please don’t give me a ban. That was not a confident statement.

#12 Jops14

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:13

Have we considered that maybe Magnussen just wants a weekend off?

#13 ensign14

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:28

One million percent Magnussen.  Give me five minutes to cross-examine the stewards on this and I would have them whimpering on the floor. 



#14 Nathan

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:29

Racing incident.  There was an opening and Perez closed it.

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#15 ensign14

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:35

Thought you'd died 30 years ago.



#16 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:35

Racing incident. There was an opening and Perez closed it.
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A single screen grab does not prove anything. That is not a gap at that point on the track in Monaco ever.

#17 krea

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:39

what gap? 



#18 WonderWoman61

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 14:49

How much longer before K-Mag gets a race ban?

#19 bargeboard

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:19

Pretty dumb all the way around.

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#20 jee

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:30

You absolutely cannot stick your nose in there at that point in Monaco

Is there a rule supporting your imaginations?



#21 Laster

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:32

I do blame KMag for this crash, but it's not like Perez didn't know he was there, he could have done something to avoid the incident too. So I'm happy to leave it as a racing incident and hopefully Haas give KMag a few quiet words about sticking his nose into a narrow gap when he hasn't a hope of making it stick.

#22 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:37

Is there a rule supporting your imaginations?

It’s called race craft.

Magnussen doesn’t have it. Perez doesn’t have much of it either. Anyone else would have known that Perez is not to be trusted in that situation, let alone a good racer. Magnussen just can’t race wheel to wheel. This new concept that as soon as you get your car a few inches alongside another one entitles you to a free pass is bizarre.

It’s also called Armco barriers.
It is also called Monaco.
It’s also called common sense.

Edited by AncientLurker, 26 May 2024 - 15:40.


#23 thegamer23

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:38

I like KMAG, but that was on him 100%.

 

The space wasn't there to pull it off, the track ahead tightens up and he's still sticking the nose in.

Dangerous manouver, scary and avoidable crash, and i'm very surprised no actions are taken against him.


Edited by thegamer23, 26 May 2024 - 15:38.


#24 BoDarvelle

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:39

Perez looked in his mirror, saw KMag, and still moved right.

 

"Ban KMAG! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

 

Comical.



#25 ensign14

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:41

Is there a rule supporting your imaginations?

It's startlingly similar a snapshot to the Senna view on Prost at Japan 1990.



#26 PayasYouRace

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:42

Racing incident.  There was an opening and Perez closed it.

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Almost perfect demonstration of the moment Kevin could have lifted and chose not to. Entirely his fault.



#27 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:44

Perez looked in his mirror, saw KMag, and still moved right.

"Ban KMAG! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

Comical.

What do you really think he saw in his little jiggly mirror there? At most he would have seen Magnussen quite far back on his right, and expected him to back out or not even been alongside. You can’t look at endless tv replays and say a driver should have seen it in the moment. I will say it again, Brundle addressed this on the formation lap, you must ensure the driver ahead knows you are committed to the pass or it will be a crash.

#28 Taxi

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:49

Kmag fault. No doubt. It could have been a serious accident also. 



#29 WonderWoman61

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:51

Kind of reminds me of DC colliding with the Ferraris in 1995.

#30 BoDarvelle

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:52

What do you really think he saw in his little jiggly mirror there? 

 

A car next to him.

 

That's what mirrors are for.



#31 Clrnc

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:53

Well done to the 4 pax who voted Perez. Really blew my mind



#32 PayasYouRace

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:54

A car next to him.

 

That's what mirrors are for.

 

I also expect he was thinking, "This idiot is going to back out any second, surely?"



#33 BoDarvelle

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:59

I also expect he was thinking, "This idiot is going to back out any second, surely?"

 

Well, Perez has shown himself to be a bit of an idiot the past few years, so...



#34 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 15:59

I also expect he was thinking, "This idiot is going to back out any second, surely?"

Thank you for answering. It is getting tiresome trying to explain basic racing common sense.

#35 Deeq

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:01

I am going against the "mob", it was racing accident though if you held a gun against my head i would blame Perez, he saw a car beside him while he hade a load of space on his left yet went to squez that driver..a reckless anti racing move.
Magnusen could foresee what was happening and refrained. Failure did have more than one parent hare..

Edited by Deeq, 26 May 2024 - 16:03.


#36 BoDarvelle

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:02

Thank you for answering. It is getting tiresome trying to explain basic racing common sense.

 

How much track time do you have?



#37 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:04

How much track time do you have?

Enough to know you don’t do that.

#38 Nathan

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:05

A single screen grab does not prove anything. That is not a gap at that point on the track in Monaco ever.

 

Well I'm not going to post 12 shots in a row, nor have the genius to make a YouTube video out of it.  There was a gap, Kmag went for it, Perez veered right, and it closed.



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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:06

Enough to know you don’t do that.

 

lolok



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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:10

Well done to the 4 pax who voted Perez. Really blew my mind

Yeah, four unbiased people on the forum, who would have thought 😄

The commentators I heard where all over Magnussen to begin with, but started to back down towards racing incident after actually looking at the accident. And the stewards decided not to penalize Magnussen, after reviewing the incident.

So clearly, it was not the slam-dunk Magnussen mistake some people think.

Edited by cbo, 26 May 2024 - 16:12.


#41 Laster

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:18

Yeah, four unbiased people on the forum, who would have thought 😄

The commentators I heard where all over Magnussen to begin with, but started to back down towards racing incident after actually looking at the accident. And the stewards decided not to penalize Magnussen, after reviewing the incident.

So clearly, it was not the slam-dunk Magnussen mistake some people think.

It's the fact that Perez does see KMag there, and could leave more space if he so chose that swings it into racing incident territory for me. It is a case of KMag sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong, but drivers still have a responsbility to react. Perez could have left more space if he wanted but he chose to try and make KMag back down and we already know that's never going to happen.

#42 AncientLurker

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:19

Yeah, four unbiased people on the forum, who would have thought 😄

The commentators I heard where all over Magnussen to begin with, but started to back down towards racing incident after actually looking at the accident. And the stewards decided not to penalize Magnussen, after reviewing the incident.

So clearly, it was not the slam-dunk Magnussen mistake some people think.

I am indifferent to both of them. No bias on either being someone I like or dislike.

Had there not been a race ban on the line I think you would have seen a Magnussen penalty. F1 stewarding is an absolute joke.

#43 cbo

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:22

I am indifferent to both of them. No bias on either being someone I like or dislike.

Had there not been a race ban on the line I think you would have seen a Magnussen penalty. F1 stewarding is an absolute joke.


Yeah, those stupid stewards not agreeing with you clearly shows they are stupid.....🙄

#44 MaxisOne

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:24

Mostly KMag but first corners race incident and Perez needs to be aware or not move over if he sees wheels and axles of Kmags car in his mirrors.



#45 Anderis

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:28

Racing incident for me. Both drivers could've done more to avoid it.



#46 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:37

Racing incident.  There was an opening and Perez closed it.

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And a few meters up the road the right wall comes closer and the track bends to the right



#47 Muppetmad

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:37

Honestly, it was sloppy from both, who should be motivated to avoid this sort of stuff given their penalty points situation.



#48 ensign14

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:38

Yeah, those stupid stewards not agreeing with you clearly shows they are stupid.....

I certainly think someone should be asking the stewards whether, given the vast majority of fans think that Magnussen was to blame, the stewards themselves think all fans are morons, or whether it is just possible that THEY are the morons.

 

And if they say "the fans are", ask them why they put it down as an incident in the first corner, when Helen Keller could see it was not.

 

And whether they want to re-think the moron question.



#49 Clrnc

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:39

Yeah, four unbiased people on the forum, who would have thought 😄

The commentators I heard where all over Magnussen to begin with, but started to back down towards racing incident after actually looking at the accident. And the stewards decided not to penalize Magnussen, after reviewing the incident.

So clearly, it was not the slam-dunk Magnussen mistake some people think.

Fine if you think it's a racing incident but to say is Perez more at fault is insane

#50 PayasYouRace

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 16:45

It's not normally the fault of the car ahead, following the racing line, with the attacking car in no way fully alongside. Why would that not apply to Perez here?