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2024 INDYCAR Inaugural Teddy Porkchop Memorial Dash to Del Monte (Laguna Seca)


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#1 juicy sushi

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:00

Ok, better late than never, unless it's McLaren announcing driver plans, here we are folks, round 8 of the 2024 championship, with only 9 races on 7 tracks remaining.  

 

Usually we arrive at Laguna Seca more towards the beginning or end of a season, rather than smack dab in the middle of it, but perhaps this different time of year will bring a different vibe to the race than last year.  Or the two years before that.

 

Don't remember what happened at Laguna Seca last year?  Most of the grid wishes they were so lucky.  However, the internet never forgets, and so you can re-live it all here:

 

 

So, what's the schedule like for this year you ask?  You can look it up here:  https://www.indycar....ies/Laguna-Seca

 

Want to attend?  The county of Monterey would be happy to help out:  https://www.countyof...hertech-raceway

 

The State of Play:

 

1 W. Power 236
2 A. Palou 231
3 S. Dixon 225
4 P. O'Ward 184
5 S. McLaughlin 179
6 K. Kirkwood 179
7 C. Herta 176
8 J. Newgarden 169
9 A. Rossi 162
10 F. Rosenqvist 157
 
Power and Palou are having a duel in relentless consistency, with Dixon slightly less consistent, but winning more races.  Everyone else should probably start to feel kind of nervous about their chances.
 
Anything else to talk about?
 
Funny you should ask.  McLaren dramatically announced mid-week that Theo Pourchaire, who had been announced within the last month as being the guy who would pilot the McLaren #6, would no longer be the guy, and it would be Nolan Seigel instead.  McLaren claim the decision was made prior to last weekend, and was entirely based on a hunch that they saw something special.  Many others would claim the decision might have something to do with the rumour that major sponsor Arrow is leaving, and Nolan's father has a large pile of money that can replace that funding.  Who can say?  Many perspectives are valid, including Scott McLaughlin's eco-consciousness:  https://x.com/smclau...163077262676398
 
Other perspectives, including from Ancient Sumer, are available.  
 
Regardless, we've got 27 guys who are gonna get it on because they can't get along.  
 
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Edited by juicy sushi, 22 June 2024 - 03:03.


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#2 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:39

I'm sure somebody will be good enough to enlighten me how Zak Brown's genius for finding sponsorship results in a situation where you're one corporate advertising budget decision away from funding your team on the Dale Coyne model.    :smoking:



#3 Afterburner

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 05:33

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#4 loki

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 06:39

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#5 Stoffel

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 06:49

Justice for Teddy!



#6 Anja

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 07:06

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#7 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 12:59

Laguna Seca, you say?

 



#8 Disgrace

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:16

"The pass" is one of the few moves I would prefer not seeing replays back because I like it less each time.



#9 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:20

We have the iconography/folklore we have.    ;)



#10 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:21

"The pass" is one of the few moves I would prefer not seeing replays back because I like it less each time.

It needs to be put in context. With the IRL happening, open-wheel road-racing in the US was at a crossroads. Critcs were calling F1 Follow-the-leader, so emulating it wasn't the way to go. The Pass was a reminder of how spectacular things could be Stateside.

 

CART needed mainstream positive coverage and it got it with The Pass.



#11 Disgrace

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:23

Yep, that's fair enough, I'd have probably celebrated it at the time.



#12 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:53

Evolution. It's not just for biologists.
https://racer.com/20...says-newgarden/

#13 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 13:55

Evolution. It's not just for biologists.
https://racer.com/20...says-newgarden/

Didn't Sam Posey always talk about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a living organism?



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 14:27

It needs to be put in context. With the IRL happening, open-wheel road-racing in the US was at a crossroads. Critcs were calling F1 Follow-the-leader, so emulating it wasn't the way to go. The Pass was a reminder of how spectacular things could be Stateside.

 

CART needed mainstream positive coverage and it got it with The Pass.

Another Pass at the Corkscrew that is lesser known, is when Colin Edwards snookered one Valentino Rossi for second place I believe during the 2005 MotoGP race. As an Edwards fan at the race, it was incredible.



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 14:35

We have the iconography/folklore we have.    ;)

Indeed we do: https://x.com/indyio...1590043/photo/1



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 14:39

I'm sure somebody will be good enough to enlighten me how Zak Brown's genius for finding sponsorship results in a situation where you're one corporate advertising budget decision away from funding your team on the Dale Coyne model. :smoking:


They have three cars. Only one of them is a pay driver, with others earning good money.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 15:01

Didn't Sam Posey always talk about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a living organism?

It is in the shape of a bacillus…

#18 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 15:06

Didn't Sam Posey always talk about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway as a living organism?

Rick Mears did.



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 15:07

They have three cars. Only one of them is a pay driver, with others earning good money.

And when Arrow departs?



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 15:08

I'm sure somebody will be good enough to enlighten me how Zak Brown's genius for finding sponsorship results in a situation where you're one corporate advertising budget decision away from funding your team on the Dale Coyne model. :smoking:

I may be wrong, since my career doesn’t depend on reading people and I’ve never been the best at it, but I got the distinct impression that every single person who talked about Siegel during the month of May was overcompensating about his abilities and his drive as if in a bid to protect his confidence. Maybe it’s nothing, but I now have this impression of him as being mentally fragile.

If that’s correct, then the rest of this season is going to be brutal if he doesn’t get up to speed quickly.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 15:23

I may be wrong, since my career doesn’t depend on reading people and I’ve never been the best at it, but I got the distinct impression that every single person who talked about Siegel during the month of May was overcompensating about his abilities and his drive as if in a bid to protect his confidence. Maybe it’s nothing, but I now have this impression of him as being mentally fragile.

If that’s correct, then the rest of this season is going to be brutal if he doesn’t get up to speed quickly.

That may be overstating it. I think he's just young. The mentally fragile don't leap into the JHR situation at Road America on such short notice, and he seemed fine at Le Mans (no small stage there!).

But I'm not sure that the part of my career that did depend on reading people has much cross-application here.  ;)

Edited by red stick, 22 June 2024 - 16:11.


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Posted 22 June 2024 - 16:57

And when Arrow departs?


Whatever happens I doubt they do a Palou and reneg on signed contracts.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 16:59

I may be wrong, since my career doesn’t depend on reading people and I’ve never been the best at it, but I got the distinct impression that every single person who talked about Siegel during the month of May was overcompensating about his abilities and his drive as if in a bid to protect his confidence. Maybe it’s nothing, but I now have this impression of him as being mentally fragile.

If that’s correct, then the rest of this season is going to be brutal if he doesn’t get up to speed quickly.

After he hit the wall, he said I rather hit than lift than lift and not qualify for certain. That smells like determination to me, rather than fragility.

Edited by Dolph, 22 June 2024 - 16:59.


#24 red stick

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 16:59

Whatever happens I doubt they do a Palou and reneg on signed contracts.


Given how little we know about the representations made to Pourchaire, you may wish to pull your chin back back a tad.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:00

Given how little we know about the representations made to Pourchaire, you may wish to pull your chin back back a tad.

Nope. I aint seen nothing from Pourchaire that suggests his contract wasnt followed.

Im prettys sure they made it clear to him he can be pulled at any point.

Edited by Dolph, 22 June 2024 - 17:01.


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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:02

P2 is live now.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:06

Big hit for Rasmussen

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#28 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:06

Rasmussen in the wall.



#29 Disgrace

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:06

Theo is on the phone to Ed as we speak.



#30 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 17:23

St.Ingray has parked it.



#31 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:09

P5, P8... P26

 

P5 did 12 laps.

P8 did 26 laps.

P26 did... 28.

 

 

Mr. Brown is looking good in Spain, thankfully.



#32 juicy sushi

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:13

I don’t intend to rag on Nolan. But the decision making and comms at McLaren are emphatically worthy of criticism.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:20

Theo is on the phone to Ed as we speak.


Rasmussen waa introduced as the next best thing, but he can't seem to have a trouble-free weekend.

Edited by SenorSjon, 22 June 2024 - 18:20.


#34 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:22

I don’t intend to rag on Nolan. But the decision making and comms at McLaren are emphatically worthy of criticism.

Fully agreed. TK's comments put him under an absolute microscope for the weekend. It wasn't smart.

 

It's also leading me to think more and more that the 'A-list' thing brought forward by The Race's article about the Palou lawsuit has actual substance. I could see McLaren negociating a better engine deal with Chevy by telling them 'But if we put this money on a proper driver instead of giving it all to you, it's better for everybody. Win-win!' TK's comments could have been a way of selling Siegel to Mark Reuss.


Edited by FLB, 22 June 2024 - 18:23.


#35 loki

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:44

It’s not Laguna until we see the Weinermobile taking the Corkscrew at speed.  



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:51

Whatever happens I doubt they do a Palou and reneg on signed contracts.

Yeah they’ll likely do a Brown and back out of the contract.  These are the guys that wanted to sack someone on the spot for a nude calendar for charity.  The sooner they’re out of Indycar the better for me.



#37 milestone 11

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 18:59

What's with this puerile porkchop nonsense. I thought I was among adults, or do I have that wrong?

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:24

What's with this puerile porkchop nonsense. I thought I was among adults, or do I have that wrong?

 

Porkchop, Seabass. We IndyFood now.



#39 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:26

We NXT Nao.



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:31

What's with this puerile porkchop nonsense. I thought I was among adults, or do I have that wrong?

In our culture there is no more sincere form of flattery than a harmless or silly nickname.



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:35

Green!



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:43

Yellow!



#43 Disgrace

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:44

Gold!



#44 billm99uk

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:48

Rowe on the ball...



#45 Disgrace

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 19:59

This is pretty crushing from Foster.



#46 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 20:01

This is pretty crushing from Foster.

I was just about to write roughly the same thing  :wave:



#47 FLB

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 20:02

I'm not sure backing up on a hot track is wise...  :eek:



#48 billm99uk

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 20:03

This track is so dusty...



#49 Dolph

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 20:04

Come on, guys. Siegel's a rookie and one with not that great of a track record. Does anyone here really expect him to be in the top 10?

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 20:07

Chadwick has been stuck on Brooks rear wing all race...