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[Garagista]

So, I rarely if ever venture into Ferrari world, but this thread leads me to imagine that it is a wild orgy of fantasy centered on links to Autoracer.it

Do you guys really have no better source of information?

Ferrari fans I think are the biggest specialists in doubting all the news in any .it hehe

We have been burned so many times by positive "next race/year" news

[pup]

Perhaps.  I wouldn't say they have a good track record on it since their claim that the teams were surprised by and in an uproar over the new front wing tests was quickly debunked.  I would grant though, that they have been the *first* to report on any of this.  But that raises my suspicions more than anything else.  

 

That, and the timeline, still lead me to think this is all aimed at Ferrari.

 

Missing from this conversation is the fact that Ferrari were the only team asked to run the new cameras and wing markings during testing (forgive me if I toss in my own AR link, lol - https://autoracer.it...mclaren-prepare.)  Then there was the rumor that the FIA visited the Ferrari factory after the test.  Then Leclerc's comment that they had to change something prior to Q1 (which would have been after further video analysis during the practice sessions).  Then throw in the fact that AR seem to have first knowledge of the FIA's moves, one assumes via their Ferrari connections.  And there's the odd lack of video made available of the Ferrari rear wing.  And then finally there's the performance of the Ferrari itself.  

 

My theory is still that the FIA had Ferrari make changes before Q, and that the new TD is just a formalization of what they said, applying it to all the teams.  

 

I also think we'll never know, in that there will be a lot of talk about it this weekend but nothing of substance will be said and nothing will change in the relative performance of the teams.  Though we'll have plenty of photos of orange cars with various arrows pointing to the rear wing, since suspicion of the leaders will bring the most clicks.

 

Recent history says that the FIA and Liberty like to keep their scandals to themselves.  

Edited by pup, 19 March 2025 - 18:28.

[brucewayne]

So, I rarely if ever venture into Ferrari world, but this thread leads me to imagine that it is a wild orgy of fantasy centered on links to Autoracer.it

Do you guys really have no better source of information?

It’s a good source, so what is your problem exactly?

[Garagista]

Perhaps. I wouldn't say they have a good track record on it since their claim that the teams were surprised by and in an uproar over the new front wing tests was quickly debunked. I would grant though, that they have been the *first* to report on any of this. But that raises my suspicions more than anything else.

That, and the timeline, still lead me to think this is all aimed at Ferrari.

Missing from this conversation is the fact that Ferrari were the only team asked to run the new cameras and wing markings during testing (forgive me if I toss in my own AR link, lol - https://autoracer.it...mclaren-prepare.) Then there was the rumor that the FIA visited the Ferrari factory after the test. Then Leclerc's comment that they had to change something prior to Q1 (which would have been after further video analysis during the practice sessions). Then throw in the fact that AR seem to have first knowledge of the FIA's moves, one assumes via their Ferrari connections. And there's the odd lack of video made available of the Ferrari rear wing. And then finally there's the performance of the Ferrari itself.

My theory is still that the FIA had Ferrari make changes before Q, and that the new TD is just a formalization of what they said, applying it to all the teams.

I also think we'll never know, in that there will be a lot of talk about it this weekend but nothing of substance will be said and nothing will change in the relative performance of the teams. Though we'll have plenty of photos of orange cars with various arrows pointing to the rear wing, since suspicion of the leaders will bring the most clicks.

Recent history says that the FIA and Liberty like to keep their scandals to themselves.

All that goes a bit against the telemetry from the Q to Fp2.

The car was slower in the fast corners not the straights. The raising the car makes more sense for Ferrari, and how easy would be to replace a wing for one the same downforce type during the weekend?

I don't think that is the case, but could be.

[Miles749]

My theory is still that the FIA had Ferrari make changes before Q, and that the new TD is just a formalization of what they said, applying it to all the teams.  

 

I also think we'll never know, in that there will be a lot of talk about it this weekend but nothing of substance will be said and nothing will change in the relative performance of the teams.  Though we'll have plenty of photos of orange cars with various arrows pointing to the rear wing, since suspicion of the leaders will bring the most clicks.

 

I agree with the curious drop in pace of Ferrari and subsequent new TD. It does look peculiar.

 

But if this was the case, I would suspect that we could see a difference in rear wing of the Ferrari between Friday and Saturday. It doesn't seem like anyone noticed that the rear wing was changed so I'm not sure this theory is correct.

 

I do agree that I believe all teams "cleared" the new tests. It may even be a result of FIA wanting to shut down any talk of mini-DRS (Wache complaining) if they know all teams are passing stricter tests. 

[pup]

All that goes a bit against the telemetry from the Q to Fp2.

The car was slower in the fast corners not the straights. The raising the car makes more sense for Ferrari, and how easy would be to replace a wing for one the same downforce type during the weekend?

I don't think that is the case, but could be.

That's a fair point, and the only answer I can think is that perhaps the top speed was limited by gearing?

[pup]

This is interesting - I had googled a few days back for pictures of Mclaren's rear wing in Australia, and one that came up was this image from last season.  Am I imagining it, or is it showing a bit of mini-DRS?  That would put them running it for most of the season, also this would have been before their Miami update, meaning that it came before Rob Marshal's input...

 

 

https://x.com/LuisFe...151405560050042

[frosty125]

So it’s not McLaren https://www.the-race...wing-clampdown/

[Miles749]

So it’s not McLaren https://www.the-race...wing-clampdown/

 

Norris says it's not McLaren.

Russell says it's not Mercedes or Red Bull.

 

Let's see if someone says it's not Ferrari. 

Edited by Miles749, 20 March 2025 - 08:00.

[Nicktendo86]

As I’ve been saying, will have no impact on McLaren.

[Mc_Silver]

Norris says it's not McLaren.
Russell says it's not Mercedes or Red Bull.

Let's see if someone says it's not Ferrari.

Ferrari is doomed.

[MRX94]

Nobody is going to say anything else at this point. If they end up needing to change things it will happen quietly.

[jonklug]

Drivers are saying their teams are 'not it'. Shocking that 

[Miles749]

Drivers are saying their teams are 'not it'. Shocking that 

We'll see who doesn't say it. 

[ferrarista]

Maybe except Red Bull, all the top teams will be more or less affected, unless they can still get away with what they had at Melbourne if this TD is not enough to close the loophole yet.

Edited by ferrarista, 20 March 2025 - 12:51.

[DevilDare]

Whoever it is, I don't think it will have as much of an impact on the pecking order as maybe some at Red Bull hope.

[RedRabbit]

We'll never really know, because the wings can be stiffened without listing as a new part.

[Nobody]

Names have been named (allegedly):

Mclaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Haas

(The Race reporting it)

[jonklug]

Names have been named (allegedly):

Mclaren, Ferrari, Alpine, Haas

(The Race reporting it)

 

LMAO poor Haas

[vas04614]

Alpine affected by flexi wing rule?

[ferrarista]

https://x.com/Fred__...015401220395044

https://x.com/fred__...0237606/photo/1

Mclaren very slow on the straights.

Edited by ferrarista, 21 March 2025 - 13:09.

[BertoC]

https://x.com/Fred__...015401220395044

https://x.com/fred__...0237606/photo/1

Mclaren very slow on the straights.

I mean, its just 3 km/h. They were also one of the slowest at Melbourne.

[ferrarista]

I mean, its just 3 km/h. They were also one of the slowest at Melbourne.

https://x.com/fred__...4716039/photo/1

Ferrari opens a gap on the straights that was not there in Australia.

It may be also due to them running a proper ride height and less drag as a consequence.

Edited by ferrarista, 21 March 2025 - 13:24.

[Ben1980]

So all the fuss and it was just Haas and Alpine?

[BertoC]

https://x.com/fred__...4716039/photo/1

Ferrari opens a gap on the straights that was not there in Australia.

It may be also due to them running a proper ride height and less drag as a consequence.

Yeah I think it speaks more on Ferrari. Whatever happened last week is gone now.

[Ben1980]

So this didn't do anything ?

[pdac]

So this didn't do anything ?

 

I'm sure the way these things work in private is that the FIA probably told the teams a good while ago that they were not happy and would introduce new tests (giving no date, but plenty of unofficial notice). So the teams would all have alternative designs worked out by the time they needed to. Like most things, the potential advantage of a particular design could be quite a lot, when compared to the current designs. But the actual advantage after considering all alternative new design ideas could be much less.

[vlado]

[Mc_Silver]

Charles, a flexi wing master, showed everyone how to do it. The only missıng thing was 1kg of water.

https://www.instagra...mowanp4emd4aXVi

Edited by Mc_Silver, 23 March 2025 - 23:02.

[vlado]

https://x.com/aerote...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

[Yoshi]

Here’s a little comparison between McLaren and Red Bull— some bits definitely flex more than others.  

 

https://x.com/cytrus...906424131387872

Edited by Yoshi, 09 April 2025 - 12:59.

[vlado]

https://x.com/wearet...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg


The FIA is aware of social media footage showing McLaren’s rear wing flexing at Suzuka that Jos Verstappen reposted.