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[AllanL]

Apologies for using the file link. I seem to have forgotten the image embed protocol for this forum. On the plus side it does save those who do not need to see the image from having it forced on them.

[nicanary]

Apologies for using the file link. I seem to have forgotten the image embed protocol for this forum. On the plus side it does save those who do not need to see the image from having it forced on them.

I fear the lady in question was not advised appropriately.

[sabrejet]

I try to dress appropriately when attending Revival and even in adverse weather attempt to wear clothing that doesn't have prominent branding. But increasingly it seems that attendees think the event is a fancy dress party. I've yet to see a pantomime horse or someone dressed as Frankenstein's monster but I'm sure they'll be along soon.

[Vitesse2]

I try to dress appropriately when attending Revival and even in adverse weather attempt to wear clothing that doesn't have prominent branding. But increasingly it seems that attendees think the event is a fancy dress party. I've yet to see a pantomime horse or someone dressed as Frankenstein's monster but I'm sure they'll be along soon.

There were two guys dressed as Sergeant Pepper era Beatles yesterday. There were two more at the Test at the Oval.

[nicanary]

There were two guys dressed as Sergeant Pepper era Beatles yesterday. There were two more at the Test at the Oval.

I spotted on the live stream someone dressed in SFPD motorbike cop uniform. I really can't imagine such an officer having been spectating at Goodwood in period.

[ensign14]

I spotted on the live stream someone dressed in SFPD motorbike cop uniform. I really can't imagine such an officer having been spectating at Goodwood in period.

Was there a YMCA in Chichester?

[nicanary]

Was there a YMCA in Chichester?

Next year expect to see a construction worker, native american, sailor and cowboy.

[opplock]

There were two guys dressed as Sergeant Pepper era Beatles yesterday. 

 

I hope someone informed them that racing at Goodwood ended in 1966. 

[ensign14]

It was for the benefit of the Lister kite.

[FLB]

I hope someone informed them that racing at Goodwood ended in 1966. 

Goodwood was still used for testing until 1986 at least: Bertrand Fabi - The Nostalgia Forum - The Autosport Forums

Edited by FLB, 08 September 2024 - 17:30.

[sabrejet]

Goodwood was still used for testing until 1986 at least: Bertrand Fabi - The Nostalgia Forum - The Autosport Forums

 

Beyond 1986; the point being that racing ended in 1966, as did the fare-paying public.

[BRG]

Next year expect to see a construction worker, native american, sailor and cowboy.

But not this year as they have just come off stage at the Boogietown Festival, my local musicfest  here in Molesey, which I can hear in the distance as I type this.

[Rob Ryder]

There were two guys dressed as Sergeant Pepper era Beatles yesterday. There were two more at the Test at the Oval.

 

Come on that is in period! It Sgt.Pepper was only 1 year after the last Goodwood race meeting I think.

Edited by Rob Ryder, 08 September 2024 - 18:46.

[Geoff E]

Come on that is in period! It Sgt.Pepper was only 1 year after the last Goodwood race meeting I think.

 

The band actually started in 1947.

[Mark A]

Might seem a bit simplistic, but I'd want to know:

 

From a technical point of view, who were the Chief Scrutineer's when all this was going on over the past 26 years ?

 

From a non technical point of view who was responsible for issuing the invites to competitors ?

 

It's always hard to point fingers at the scrutineering teams around eligibility and homologation in historic motorsport, many of the cars that are around can have limited information available, plus what is and isn't period, the local vs FIA rules were different etc etc.

I used to compete in Historic Rallies a lot in the 90's and it was like opening a can of worms then, never mind 30 years later with the technology and information available having moved on.

A few examples from my time that I remember, 

I remember seeing two of the (lots more now than then) 1964 911's sitting nose to nose in the paddock are at a stage event in Mira, (an event where we ran out of brakes due to adhering to running the correct terrible discs in a Mini Cooper), The 2 cars had different wheel bases, quite obvious when seen together, one was very much a car built by/for an individual, the other by a now well know Historic Porsche tuning company.

Not an event I was on but I did know the scrutineer, the UK event in the European Historic Rally Championship. The car that had just won the championship, a mk1 cooper S, due to it's event finishing position it wasn't called for post event scrutineering, but by mistake ended up there. It was a car, at the time, from the Czech Republic, when they looked at it it had a hand made tubular rear subframe, all the pick-up points were in the correct place, and the owners claimed that the they were unable to source a correct frame, that may have been correct in their own country at the time, but they had travelled Europe on the championship so the argument lost it's validity. They were subsequently disqualified. There were also numerous stories of People running later engine blocks on Cooper S's and bonding on tappet chest covers etc etc

 

I can remember a few instances of Lotus Cortina's running 'improved' cranks, some cars that were very fast during an event and then didn't finish, I remember a 850cc Mini doing a test on a road rally that involved a steep uphill section, doing so faster than any other Mini Cooper S on the event. the team just didn't turn up at the finish as they were going to be asked to take the head off to prove it was an 850.

The thing that regularly happened back then was that cars like the Mini, which were very well known in the UK tended to have issues found here in the UK, the Porsche's tended to get caught in Germany, etc etc. all where the highest level of knowledge on a particular marque was available, things have changed since then but if someone turned up in a car that little was known about it's very difficult for a scrutineer to say it is or isn't meeting the homologation.

[Derwent Motorsport]

Did it not start with the Grey Lady? 

[GTMRacer]

It's always hard to point fingers at the scrutineering teams around eligibility and homologation in historic motorsport, many of the cars that are around can have limited information available, plus what is and isn't period, the local vs FIA rules were different etc etc.

I used to compete in Historic Rallies a lot in the 90's and it was like opening a can of worms then, never mind 30 years later with the technology and information available having moved on.

A few examples from my time that I remember, 

I remember seeing two of the (lots more now than then) 1964 911's sitting nose to nose in the paddock are at a stage event in Mira, (an event where we ran out of brakes due to adhering to running the correct terrible discs in a Mini Cooper), The 2 cars had different wheel bases, quite obvious when seen together, one was very much a car built by/for an individual, the other by a now well know Historic Porsche tuning company.

Not an event I was on but I did know the scrutineer, the UK event in the European Historic Rally Championship. The car that had just won the championship, a mk1 cooper S, due to it's event finishing position it wasn't called for post event scrutineering, but by mistake ended up there. It was a car, at the time, from the Czech Republic, when they looked at it it had a hand made tubular rear subframe, all the pick-up points were in the correct place, and the owners claimed that the they were unable to source a correct frame, that may have been correct in their own country at the time, but they had travelled Europe on the championship so the argument lost it's validity. They were subsequently disqualified. There were also numerous stories of People running later engine blocks on Cooper S's and bonding on tappet chest covers etc etc

 

I can remember a few instances of Lotus Cortina's running 'improved' cranks, some cars that were very fast during an event and then didn't finish, I remember a 850cc Mini doing a test on a road rally that involved a steep uphill section, doing so faster than any other Mini Cooper S on the event. the team just didn't turn up at the finish as they were going to be asked to take the head off to prove it was an 850.

The thing that regularly happened back then was that cars like the Mini, which were very well known in the UK tended to have issues found here in the UK, the Porsche's tended to get caught in Germany, etc etc. all where the highest level of knowledge on a particular marque was available, things have changed since then but if someone turned up in a car that little was known about it's very difficult for a scrutineer to say it is or isn't meeting the homologation.

 

 

 

 

We ran our Fairthorpe EM1 in FIA GTS pre 61 in the 90's, the Scrutineers had never even seen one! It always amused us that we would spent 20 mins in scrutineering compared to the Alfa's, Sprites and Elites 5 mins, but as much as various rivals with much nicer cars waved their arms at the official's, they didn't know what to look for, lets say we got away with a few things...