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[Jellyfishcake]

The fact this circuit is purpose built and yet has the ridiculous run off at T1 is so stupid 

[Jops14]

Yeah T1 is suxh a joke “oh no someone is trying ti overtake me, ill just cut the corner”

[billm99uk]

Maybe they should put a wall in…

[Clrnc]

Jellyfishcake, on 20 Apr 2025 - 13:58, said:

The fact this circuit is purpose built and yet has the ridiculous run off at T1 is so stupid 

The run off is mandated by FIA apparently for safety purposes after a straight. 

[ANF]

What's the pit stop time loss? Verschoor may win this...

[Jellyfishcake]

Clrnc, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:00, said:

The run off is mandated by FIA apparently for safety purposes after a straight. 

 

That's fine, but doesn't change the fact the circuit could have been literally anything and yet we end up with that T1/T2 complex

Even if the inside of T2 had gravel (so tarmarc run off at the end of the straight) it would stop the blatent corner cutting to keep a place type thing 

[LolaB0860]

Clrnc, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:00, said:

The run off is mandated by FIA apparently for safety purposes after a straight. 

 

Baku does T1 + runoff right, this is a joke

 

And Baku's a real street circuit, not fabricated like this where they could've done anything they wanted

Edited by LolaB0860, 20 April 2025 - 14:04.

[Clrnc]

Jellyfishcake, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:02, said:

That's fine, but doesn't change the fact the circuit could have been literally anything and yet we end up with that T1/T2 complex

Even if the inside of T2 had gravel (so tarmarc run off at the end of the straight) it would stop the blatent corner cutting to keep a place type thing 

I would just put sausage kerbs on it. Or a way bigger kerb so whoever who goes there risk damaging the floor. 

[ANF]

Only 5 seconds for Dunne? Looked more like a drive-throuh to me.

[sportyskells]

getting close to end of race ans at the mo no sc coning i get the rest in

[LolaB0860]

ANF, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:05, said:

Only 5 seconds for Dunne? Looked more like a drive-throuh to me.

 

Drive-throughs don't exist anymore apparently

[Bleu]

Just installing a marker which has to be detoured could help with T1/2. 

[sportyskells]

is montoya out?

[billm99uk]

Has Verschoor got it now?

[FirstnameLastname]

sportyskells, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:05, said:

getting close to end of race ans at the mo no sc coning i get the rest in

Is this street slang?

[ANF]

Gonna be tight.

[Sixteen3]

Really hope Verschoor gets it done, he deserves it...

[Jellyfishcake]

5th year driver battles 3rd year driver for the win

[Frood]

I see the disappointing Beganovic from the last two years has resurfaced. He's been slower than Browning for the last two weekends now.

[Jellyfishcake]

Verschoor with a great drive, only one who made that strategy work

 

But can't say it's particularly fun, but probably very fitting for a not paricularly great race at an uninspiring track 

[Frood]

Great drive by Verschoor. Move the needle, it does not, though.

[Frood]

Also Kush Maini scores a point for the first time in sixteen races.

[P0inters]

ANF, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:05, said:

Only 5 seconds for Dunne? Looked more like a drive-throuh to me.

What? He got the move done and Browning just cut the corner. Ridiculous decision.

[Sixteen3]

Jellyfishcake, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:20, said:

Verschoor with a great drive, only one who made that strategy work

 

But can't say it's particularly fun, but probably very fitting for a not paricularly great race at an uninspiring track 

 

Apart from the uninspiring surroundings the track with its sweeping high-speed corners is great.

The race itself was maybe not on par with yesterdays sprint, but way more entertaining than the usual F1 race…

[Claudius]

Vershoor didn’t put a foot wrong. Impressive drive.

[ANF]

P0inters, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:27, said:

What? He got the move done and Browning just cut the corner. Ridiculous decision.

Really? I saw Dunne missing the corner, ploughing across the run-off area, rejoining the track unsafely, and forcing Browning off the track. Maybe I should have another look at it.

[DS27]

P0inters, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:27, said:

What? He got the move done and Browning just cut the corner. Ridiculous decision.

 

 

You're definitely not thinking of the incident the penalty was given for.

[Claudius]

I hate it when drivers cut the corners and get to keep the position. Especially when done multiple times by the same driver.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Surprised the F2 anvil hasn’t dropped on Verschoor yet.

[Nemo1965]

I find it funny in a wry way that Verschoor is now leading the F2-championship. He has no realistic chance of getting to F1, something he himself has openly admitted in several interviews. I’m quite sure he even believes himself that he is just not good enough for F1 and in his interviews he is only a hairbreadth away of expressing it himself! So if he wins this year… it’s a bit… dunno.

[Bleu]

STRFerrari4Ever, on 20 Apr 2025 - 16:21, said:

Surprised the F2 anvil hasn’t dropped on Verschoor yet.

 

F2 admin knows his history and just published breaking news of Verschoor winning the race hours after the finish.

[Jellyfishcake]

Mini has scored points in all 5 races so far this season.

However he only has 12 points and that even includes a FL bonus point.

 

Prema down in 8th in the standings, bit of a 2019 feel to the season for them.

[Ben24]

P0inters, on 20 Apr 2025 - 14:27, said:

What? He got the move done and Browning just cut the corner. Ridiculous decision.

Depends what move the penalty was for. The one where he was up the inside and Browning cut the corner to hold position was a move I feel like Browning deserved to be penalised for. The one where Dunne ran off the track then clumsily re-joined was a clear penalty for Dunne for multiple reasons. Dunne obviously gave the position back to Browning but I don't think simply giving up the place was enough of a penalty for that move so the 5 second penalty was more than warranted

[Ben24]

One thing that it seemed no-one noticed was that Verschoor lost a full 2 seconds to the drivers behind during the VSC. I think that part of that was his own fault but a lot of it was bad luck with the timing of the VSC ending when he was on the straight and others were in the corner. That time lost was so nearly crucial to the final result in a race Verschoor would've otherwise probably won pretty easily.

 

I've always felt that Verschoor was massively underrated. The commentators made a point of mentioning the strength of his first stint this race but he's done similar stints several times over the past few years in cars much worse than the one he currently has. He's one of the only drivers in the last 10 years who has managed to repeatedly compete for victories for such poor teams. I'm not at all saying Verschoor deserves to be an F1 driver but I think there have been several worse drivers than him that have made it to F1 so find it amazing that people are upset he's still in F2

[Jellyfishcake]

Ben24, on 20 Apr 2025 - 21:09, said:

One thing that it seemed no-one noticed was that Verschoor lost a full 2 seconds to the drivers behind during the VSC. I think that part of that was his own fault but a lot of it was bad luck with the timing of the VSC ending when he was on the straight and others were in the corner. That time lost was so nearly crucial to the final result in a race Verschoor would've otherwise probably won pretty easily.

 

I've always felt that Verschoor was massively underrated. The commentators made a point of mentioning the strength of his first stint this race but he's done similar stints several times over the past few years in cars much worse than the one he currently has. He's one of the only drivers in the last 10 years who has managed to repeatedly compete for victories for such poor teams. I'm not at all saying Verschoor deserves to be an F1 driver but I think there have been several worse drivers than him that have made it to F1 so find it amazing that people are upset he's still in F2

 

For me, he clearly is talented, but not enough that he's a great loss of missed F1 potential.

 

But he's in that category of, he's been around too long now so the great drivers he does at the moment have the * that he is much more experienced than his competitors.

 

Personally, I just think 5 years is too long to be in F2, and I'd like to see him move on to something else, WEC for example, i'd probably have a cut off for the max number of years someone could stay in F2

Or even if he done a Hauger and gone to IndyLights to try and get an IndyCar drive in the future

 

It wouldn't shock me if he wins the title this year, but i'm not sure it'll do him that much good for a future career either way.

 

For reference, when Verschoor made his F2 debut in 2021, Martins, Crawford were in their first years of F3, Stanek his second, and then pretty much anyone else noteworthy in the top 15 or so standings of F2 this year was in FRECA/F4 or below

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Verschoor can carve himself a good WEC career or even try IndyCar if he fancies it, hopefully his career doesn’t fizzle out like Markelov for instance.

[Disgrace]

Yeah, Verschoor was for me an easy pick for title favourite. If he can deliver the championship, I think he deserves to be taken seriously. His ability to deliver wins and podiums in shoddily prepared dross that give him his infamous DSQ record sets him apart from guys like Hauger or even Pourchaire.

[P0inters]

DS27, on 20 Apr 2025 - 15:31, said:

You're definitely not thinking of the incident the penalty was given for.

Yeah I thought it was for the second one. The first one fair enough, a deserved penalty but a drive through for that would’ve been crazy.

 

As others have said though, t1 and t2 here are horribly designed where it’s inevitable that a huge portion of overtakes end up with one of the drivers just cutting the track.

[Ben24]

Disgrace, on 20 Apr 2025 - 21:46, said:

Yeah, Verschoor was for me an easy pick for title favourite. If he can deliver the championship, I think he deserves to be taken seriously. His ability to deliver wins and podiums in shoddily prepared dross that give him his infamous DSQ record sets him apart from guys like Hauger or even Pourchaire.

Yeah as soon as I heard he was going to MP (which has actually been a seriously competitive team since their cash infusion a few years ago) this season I immediately assumed he would at least fight for the title this year. Obviously part of that is because of the experience advantage he has over other drivers in the formula but it's also partly because I think he is a quite a good driver and because I don't have massive expectations of anyone else in this current crop of F2 drivers.

 

I don't at all think he's some amazing talent that F1 has missed out on (don't think I'd rate him above Pouchaire) but he's definitely an above average F2 talent. I know some people hate drivers like him staying around this long but I've always felt the F2 is way better off keeping drivers like him around. Having someone like him around provides a proper yardstick for the current crop of drivers to compare to. If any of them can show to be better than him already in their first season then I think they are truly worthy of being considered for F1. Means way more to beat a driver like Verschoor in their 5th season than it does to beat a grid full of drivers like Montoya (half the grid would be drivers of his level or lower if we stopped drivers from competing more than 2 seasons in F2) in their first season.

[Jackattack]

STRFerrari4Ever, on 20 Apr 2025 - 21:39, said:

Verschoor can carve himself a good WEC career or even try IndyCar if he fancies it, hopefully his career doesn’t fizzle out like Markelov for instance.

 

Markelov’s dad was one of Putin’s insider circle oligarchs. He fell foul of Putin and was arrested several years back. Markelov Jr married a Russian celebrity and now just lives the influencer life in Moscow and Dubai and tbh I can’t really blame him.
 

Disgrace, on 20 Apr 2025 - 21:46, said:

Yeah, Verschoor was for me an easy pick for title favourite. If he can deliver the championship, I think he deserves to be taken seriously. His ability to deliver wins and podiums in shoddily prepared dross that give him his infamous DSQ record sets him apart from guys like Hauger or even Pourchaire.

In fairness, Verschoor was being taken seriously this winter for Indycar drives but with the new quota system he was one of the odd ones out. Not sure winning F2 would really change that equation 

[RobNNN]

I'm hoping that Leonardo Fornaroli wins four races in a row so I can say "That's four in a row for Fornaroli."

[SenorSjon]

Verschoor stated last year that F2 is better to get sponsorship than any other class. Indycar, WEC, etc don't have the eyeballs and entourage of F1.

[HistoryFan]

I think only 1 or 2 drivers from Formula 2 could make the step to Formula 1 in 2026. Silly-season will be very quiet after so much rookies coming to F1 in  2025.

[Francesc]

I think none of them will make it. I don't see any openings on the grid for them as Cadillac will take two veterans or one indycar driver.

[BRG]

HistoryFan, on 27 Apr 2025 - 17:55, said:

I think only 1 or 2 drivers from Formula 2 could make the step to Formula 1 in 2026. Silly-season will be very quiet after so much rookies coming to F1 in  2025.

There will be vacancies when the two senior citizens call it a day plus at least one of the newer intake will get canned (probably Lawson).

[JL14]

SenorSjon, on 21 Apr 2025 - 15:57, said:

Verschoor stated last year that F2 is better to get sponsorship than any other class. Indycar, WEC, etc don't have the eyeballs and entourage of F1.

He didn't say that. Her has said that for him F2 is easier sponsorwise, because his backers are not active in the US so wouldn't get much return on investment of he raced outside Europe.
There will just as well be money to find to race on the US, but you need the connections.

[SenorSjon]

JL14, on 27 Apr 2025 - 20:10, said:

He didn't say that. Her has said that for him F2 is easier sponsorwise, because his backers are not active in the US so wouldn't get much return on investment of he raced outside Europe.
There will just as well be money to find to race on the US, but you need the connections.

 

Indycar viewership outside the US is very low. Piggybacking on F1 gives the F2 paddock a lot of possible business contacts.

[jals99]

Lindblad may be
Crawford has a chance at Cadillac
If Fornarolli wins title he can also be in contention

[Peat]

JL14, on 27 Apr 2025 - 20:10, said:

He didn't say that. Her has said that for him F2 is easier sponsorwise, because his backers are not active in the US so wouldn't get much return on investment of he raced outside Europe.
There will just as well be money to find to race on the US, but you need the connections.

 

I wonder what, if any, the ROI is for sponsoring an F2 driver?

B2B must be the main draw? And a few tax deductable 'corporate entertainment' jollies.  

[jonpollak]

SenorSjon, on 28 Apr 2025 - 11:23, said:

Indycar viewership outside the US is very low..

Yet growing at a faster rate outside the USA than any other race series bar F1

https://www.indycar....nd territories.

Jp