179 replies to this topic

[GiorgioF1]

The... what?

 

[TauriJ]

The... what?

 

[jonklug]

Tires with water? What? That sounds dumb sorry

[Risil]

I see

[1player]

No poll?!

[SophieB]

Link: https://www.auto-mot...dacht-red-bull/

[Risil]

"Trickserei", good word

[jonklug]

Legit this sounds like a rain joke to me

[Anja]

We might be witnessing the birth of a new F1 meme. 

[SophieB]

This sounds so absolutely mad but to begin with a possibly dumb question… would this be forbidden? Presumably so, but on what grounds?

[SophieB]

Legit this sounds like a rain joke to me

It soooo does sound like a joke but it’s not April and they are a prestigious mag.

[jonklug]

I'll wait for more info this sounds silly af. Possibly a bit of mind games/banter after the whole bib thing.

[thefinalapex]

Wouldn’t that add weight plus how would you do this.

[ANF]

Tires with water? What? That sounds dumb sorry

It sure does, but here's a Craig Scarborough video that explains why filling the tyres with water is the best way of lowering the centre of gravity:

[Clatter]

April has come around quickly.

Edited by Clatter, 02 November 2024 - 18:16.

[P123]

Uhm... interesting.... water will add weight, water will heat up, water will move...

[hamalo]

This sounds so absolutely mad but to begin with a possibly dumb question… would this be forbidden? Presumably so, but on what grounds?

 

It would be forbidden as it is written in the Article, Redbull experiemented with it years ago, but it was quickly forbidden by the FIA. They think others have fine tuned it and are using it now.

[Mat13]

That would increase unsprung weight, which is the last thing you want to do surely? My only experience of water in tyres is doing it on tractors to add ballast, but I can’t imagine an F1 car handling improving from this.

[PrinceBira]

This sounds so absolutely mad but to begin with a possibly dumb question… would this be forbidden? Presumably so, but on what grounds?

It is forbidden de article states. Also states that RB experimented with it years ago when it was legal.

Apparently very small quantity of water would already help. Article also says it’s really difficult to do as basically everything is either under Pirelli or FIA control. Only way would be via the valves.

But its risky, because non-evaporated water post race would directly show.

[jonklug]

It sure does, but here's a Craig Scarborough video that explains why filling the tyres with water is the best way of lowering the centre of gravity:

Uhm ..link?

[PrinceBira]

That would increase unsprung weight, which is the last thing you want to do surely? My only experience of water in tyres is doing it on tractors to add ballast, but I can’t imagine an F1 car handling improving from this.

Yeah but apparently its really limited amounts.

[Clatter]

Uhm... interesting.... water will add weight, water will heat up, water will move...

 

And Pirelli wouldn't notice when They take the tyres off.

[SophieB]

It would be forbidden as it is written in the Article, Redbull experiemented with it years ago, but it was quickly forbidden by the FIA. They think others have fine tuned it and are using it now.

Thanks, I’m on my phone so was having trouble getting the translation widget to work so haven’t read the piece.

[ClubmanGT]

Unsprung weight... come on.

I'd believe an exotic gas in the tyres but I would have thought Pirelli would pick up on that fairly quickly.

[barnardferrari]

Red Bull needs to fill theirs with...Red Bull.

[BoDarvelle]

Pirelli mounts, and more importantly, dismounts the tires do they not?

[Brawn BGP 001]

In a control tyre era it seems improbable this would happen in a tyre era more believable. 

[jonklug]

As of right now it sounds as believable as the bib being adjusted on the grid in full view.

[Deeq]

How many extra KG can you give the competition to beat you with?.. average of 3 kg per tyre 12KG handikapp 🙃
No way is heat management worth that kind of "penalty"..
This is a joke.

Edited by Deeq, 02 November 2024 - 18:21.

[jonklug]

Red Bull needs to fill theirs with...Red Bull.

Whoa, mind blown

[1player]

And Pirelli wouldn't notice when They take the tyres off.

Pirelli are in on it, of course.

[brucewayne]

I really hope that this is not true

[PrinceBira]

How many extra KG can you give the competition to beat you with?.. average of 3 kg per tyre 12KG handikapp 🙃
No way is heat management worth that kind of "penalty"..
This is a joke.

It’s such a joke that RB experimented with it before it was illegal.

https://www.auto-mot...dacht-red-bull/

[Dara]

If true, this will even be talked about in 2054.

But I don't believe anything of it.

[TomNokoe]

With Pirelli anything is possible

[Eyeshield]

As of right now it sounds as believable as the bib being adjusted on the grid in full view.

And of course the suspicious timing of the VSC during the sprint race.

[Okyo]

Seems like payback for the bub. Noone can prove they didnt do it. 

Edited by Okyo, 02 November 2024 - 18:29.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

This is nothing. I put Smarties in the tires and they sound funny!

[GiorgioF1]

Some smart person needs to explain the science of this    Can the pressurized air they fill the tires with be somehow made "humid"?

[Nicktendo86]

Red bull are losing the plot

[Massa]

Red bull are losing the plot

Why ? They are full of engineers, they are not some anonymous poster on a forum

[PayasYouRace]

It wouldn’t work anyway. The water might heat up but water only cools if it can take heat away from the system, either by moving it to a place where it may cool like a radiator, or by evaporation. Neither is possible inside the tyre.

[Nicktendo86]

Why ? They are full of engineers, they are not some anonymous poster on a forum

Because they’re coming out with ridiculous claims

[GiorgioF1]

It wouldn’t work anyway. The water might heat up but water only cools if it can take heat away from the system, either by moving it to a place where it may cool like a radiator, or by evaporation. Neither is possible inside the tyre.

 

Maybe this could have something to do with changing the characteristic of the compound so it wont heat up as much?

[JeanAlesi27]

Nitrogen and water in rubber that heats up,  yeah that doesn't sound like a great idea. 

[DW46]

Nitrogen and water in rubber that heats up, yeah that doesn't sound like a great idea.

Sounds like something that Sonny Hayes would suggest.

[jonklug]

The water apparently goes through the Valves of the tyres even small amounts get an effect.

Read that somewhere. Again, I am more than skeptical.

But if there is a rule specifically prohibiting this then there has to be a way to make it work or it wouldn't exist.

Edited by jonklug, 02 November 2024 - 19:10.

[Massa]

Because they’re coming out with ridiculous claims

How do you know it's ridiculous ?

[PitViperRacing]

I don't think it's true but u also don't think it's dumb. Red bull wouldn't raise it if they didn't think it was feasible engineering wise.

[ferrarista]

Isola (Pirelli) said that they will make the checks if FIA asks them to do so.

So basically they don’t control what is inflated in their tyres, well done Pirelli clowns 😂