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[SophieB]

I closed the thread discussing Verstappen's qualifying penalty yesterday only because it gets very messy having the race build up thread and race day threads open at once but said there could be a standalone thread if it was needed. FWIW, Max is still pretty steamed about the whole thing.

 

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"I've never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard." Max Verstappen has taken aim at George Russell, stating that he has "lost all respect" for the Mercedes driver following their #QatarGP qualifying incident on Saturday

https://www.autospor...nduct/10678452/

[krea]

Least shocking reveal regarding Russell.

[SophieB]

The Ted quote below is in the linked post.

 

@fiagirly

 

Ted Kravitz just said that we might get a clip of Max Verstappen and George Russell’s altercation in the new season of DTS. He said Verstappen confronted Russell after their meeting with the stewards and I quote: “‘you and your FIA mates, I hope you’re happy’. I think the quote was actually ruder than that.”

 

 

https://x.com/fiagir...307697287811577

[Risil]

Hold on, what did George do?

[Lazy]

I closed the thread discussing Verstappen's qualifying penalty yesterday only because it gets very messy having the race build up thread and race day threads open at once but said there could be a standalone thread if it was needed. FWIW, Max is still pretty steamed about the whole thing.

 

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"I've never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard." Max Verstappen has taken aim at George Russell, stating that he has "lost all respect" for the Mercedes driver following their #QatarGP qualifying incident on Saturday

https://www.autospor...nduct/10678452/

He only needs to look in a mirror.

[Heyli]

Hold on, what did George do?

According to Verstappen did his very best to try and get him on a penalty by singing a different tune towards the stewards than the more politically correct tone he does in the media. 

 

He didnt make it concrete how exactly though, but that behaviour wouldnt surprise me from Russell, that's how I see him...

[P123]

I closed the thread discussing Verstappen's qualifying penalty yesterday only because it gets very messy having the race build up thread and race day threads open at once but said there could be a standalone thread if it was needed. FWIW, Max is still pretty steamed about the whole thing.

 

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"I've never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard." Max Verstappen has taken aim at George Russell, stating that he has "lost all respect" for the Mercedes driver following their #QatarGP qualifying incident on Saturday

https://www.autospor...nduct/10678452/

 

I'm sure Max means aside from himself.  Or Lando too.  Or Alonso, etc.

 

 

The Ted quote below is in the linked post.

 

@fiagirly

 

Ted Kravitz just said that we might get a clip of Max Verstappen and George Russell’s altercation in the new season of DTS. He said Verstappen confronted Russell after their meeting with the stewards and I quote: “‘you and your FIA mates, I hope you’re happy’. I think the quote was actually ruder than that.”

 

 

https://x.com/fiagir...307697287811577

 

Is that it?  Nope, sorry, still won't convince me to watch an episode. 

 

I do think George was pinup of the week for the stewards though. 

[Autodromo]

Blaming George for that penalty is like Lando blaming Max for calling him out on not lifting for the double yellow.  The stewards decided that it was wrong, not George.  He merely brought it to their attention.  

[Heyli]

Blaming George for that penalty is like Lando blaming Max for calling him out on not lifting for the double yellow.  The stewards decided that it was wrong, not George.  He merely brought it to their attention.  

Verstappen was referring to how Russell was acting towards the stewards (sadly behind closed doors) and that it's different from how behaves in the media. We cannot really judge that obviously, but it apparently according to Verstappen was something different to just pointing it out. 

[SophieB]

Hold on, what did George do?

 

Max is accusing him of doing in quali of playing up for a foul in football? I think? And then saying wow how dangerous it all was to the stewards. I THINK.

[Autodromo]

Verstappen was referring to how Russell was acting towards the stewards (sadly behind closed doors) and that it's different from how behaves in the media. We cannot really judge that obviously, but it apparently according to Verstappen was something different to just pointing it out. 

How, exactly, would someone act towards the stewards that would impact this.  Was George lying?  Because the stewards have the data.  

[Heyli]

How, exactly, would someone act towards the stewards that would impact this.  Was George lying?  Because the stewards have the data.  

I dont know. 

[Autodromo]

I dont know. 

Which is why it comes across more as the victim card than anything else.  He is one of the drivers (there are many) who are really passive-aggressive in their comments and I admit it is a pet peeve of mine. 

[Frankbullitt]

Max seems properly unhappy with this, his quotes about losing respect are a bit surprising.

Nice bit of karma in the end for George anyway.

[jonklug]

I think the most revealing quote is him saying Russell acts completely differently in front of the cameras from how he acts otherwise. If that's true then the criticism is valid.

I have no issue with drivers trying to get any advantage for themselves they can get, but I really don't like fake people. With Charles, Lando and Max you know where you stand, they're don't put on a mask.

[MJB5990]

I don't believe this is news, George has always seemed a bit like this.

Max does genuinely seemed pissed about it though.

[basimi]

I think it was not Verstappen's problem that George reported it during quali. He is saying that George is saying something different on camera than off, and that he wants nothing to do with that type of people.

[AlexPrime]

I am so happy that he took his start 

[Coral]

I don't believe this is news, George has always seemed a bit like this.

Max does genuinely seemed pissed about it though.

Yeah George has always seemed a bit two-faced. He reminds me of Jenson Button, he was exactly the same.

 

Can you imagine if Max and George end up as team-mates at Mercedes in the future? Could happen. The fur would fly, especially if the WDC were at stake. 

[PitViperRacing]

Yeah George has always seemed a bit two-faced. He reminds me of Jenson Button, he was exactly the same.

Can you imagine if Max and George end up as team-mates at Mercedes in the future? Could happen. The fur would fly, especially if the WDC were at stake.

Lol what do Button and Russell have in common that is probably pertinent to you Coral ;) ?

[jonklug]

Yeah George has always seemed a bit two-faced. He reminds me of Jenson Button, he was exactly the same.

Can you imagine if Max and George end up as team-mates at Mercedes in the future? Could happen. The fur would fly, especially if the WDC were at stake.

Jenson was nothing like that.

[SenorSjon]

Yeah George has always seemed a bit two-faced. He reminds me of Jenson Button, he was exactly the same.

Can you imagine if Max and George end up as team-mates at Mercedes in the future? Could happen. The fur would fly, especially if the WDC were at stake.

Russell would be dropped in an instant if Verstappen is available.

[PrinceBira]

The most surprising thing to me about Verstappen losing all respect for Russell is that apparently he had any.

[AlexPrime]

Max will annihilate Georgie in the same car 

[RekF1]

I closed the thread discussing Verstappen's qualifying penalty yesterday only because it gets very messy having the race build up thread and race day threads open at once but said there could be a standalone thread if it was needed. FWIW, Max is still pretty steamed about the whole thing.
 








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"I've never seen someone trying to screw someone over that hard." Max Verstappen has taken aim at George Russell, stating that he has "lost all respect" for the Mercedes driver following their #QatarGP qualifying incident on Saturday

https://www.autospor...nduct/10678452/

Didn't his team look into pressing charges against Lewis for the Silverstone crash? Not his choice, but his team has "called the manager" moreso than George, with all things considered.

[DJH63]

How, exactly, would someone act towards the stewards that would impact this.  Was George lying?  Because the stewards have the data.  

I assume in the sense that it’s not uncommon to see in decision documents the ‘affected’ driver infront of the stewards agree that the ‘offending’ driver didn’t act maliciously and agree to a racing incident/NFA

[Frankbullitt]

Max will annihilate Georgie in the same car

Which would make George super happy, id love to see it.

[Heyli]

A little bit more substance from Erik van Haren.

 

https://twitter.com/...306355391582269

 

Apparently Russell insiniuated during the meeting with the stewards that Verstappen was hindering/impleding him on purpose. 

[Mark1865]

I think the most revealing quote is him saying Russell acts completely differently in front of the cameras from how he acts otherwise. If that's true then the criticism is valid.

I have no issue with drivers trying to get any advantage for themselves they can get, but I really don't like fake people. With Charles, Lando and Max you know where you stand, they're don't put on a mask.

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

[Heyli]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

the mentally fragile would be a good point if it caused him to drop performance. But he generally seems to perform better after such situations happened...

[jonklug]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

If your take after this is that Max is mentally fragile I can only laugh. Man I wish I was as "mentally fragile" as Max.

Edited by jonklug, 01 December 2024 - 21:59.

[speedyenrico]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

Whoaaa mentally fragile    . He has proven numerous times that these kind of sad backs only pump him up. 

[Massa]

A little bit more substance from Erik van Haren.

https://twitter.com/...306355391582269

Apparently Russell insiniuated during the meeting with the stewards that Verstappen was hindering/impleding him on purpose.

I'm not surprised by Russell behaviour.

[PrinceBira]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

The same Max who still considered Norris a good friend after Norris tried to get him a penalty in Baku:

https://www.planetf1...itch-accusation

They all do that stuff. Verstappen just can’t stand two-faced people like Russell seems to be.

[P123]

So, George is this week's Enemy No.1? 

[Huracan]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

Tell me you didn't listen to Max' onboard radio without telling me you didn't listen to his onboard radio.

[FirstnameLastname]

https://x.com/fastes...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Teds notebook talking about a juicy moment

[Frankbullitt]

The same Max who complained lap after lap about Lando needing a penalty for the yellow flag incident, and acts like they are best friends out of the car?

Seems to me like George just did a better job of arguing his case to the stewards.

I’m amazed how mentally fragile Max is, and it’s interesting to see him let George get under his skin like this.

Hahahha, that’s brilliant. George doing a two-face to get a penalty is not the same as Max knowing and reading the rules.

The difference between a good driver and an amazing driver.

[PlatenGlass]

If Russell is being two-faced, how does Verstappen know?

[Analog]

Taking pole from someone is harsh penalty and from what I understand, the PP will now go to Russel in the stats, a pole he did not earn on track. We have seen many times that drivers being investigated for being too slow on out laps, but there has never been any penalties. A reprimand would have been quite enough.

 

Maybe it the new regime showing their iron fist, something that would also explain why they gave Lando the maximum penalty for ignoring a flag that they themselves did not think was necessary in the first place. Hamilton's 5s for a false start must be one of the most lenient in F1 history? Maybe Max was right about Russell's, or Toto's, FIA buddies?

[Raest]

I lost pretty much all of respect for Russel in 22 when he used his position in the driver's association to lobby for a rule change that would benefit him and his team. Hypocrisy at its finest then, not surprised now. 

[Myrvold]

Hamilton's 5s for a false start must be one of the most lenient in F1 history? Maybe Max was right about Russell's, or Toto's, FIA buddies?

 

You see what you want to see... 48 (48.1) cover false starts. Can be penalized with anything from a reprimand to a DSQ.

 

There has been 6 cases of 48.1 this year:

 

Saudi Arabia: Lando Norris, nothing - rules got changed after this.

Spain: Kevin Magnussen, 5s for breach of 48.1 (no letter given)

Canada: Daniel Ricciardo, 5s for breach of 48.1 (no letter given)

Mexico: Sergio Perez, 5s for breach of 48.1c 

Las Vegas: Oscar Piastri, 5s for breach of 48.1c

Qatar: Lewis Hamilton, 5s for breach of 48.1a

 

But sure. Hamilton's penalty is one of the most lenient and it shows that Verstappen was right about Russell/Toto & the FIA. Clearly.

Edited by Myrvold, 02 December 2024 - 00:20.

[P123]

Taking pole from someone is harsh penalty and from what I understand, the PP will now go to Russel in the stats, a pole he did not earn on track. We have seen many times that drivers being investigated for being too slow on out laps, but there has never been any penalties. A reprimand would have been quite enough.

 

Maybe it the new regime showing their iron fist, something that would also explain why they gave Lando the maximum penalty for ignoring a flag that they themselves did not think was necessary in the first place. Hamilton's 5s for a false start must be one of the most lenient in F1 history? Maybe Max was right about Russell's, or Toto's, FIA buddies?

 

Exact same penalty that Sergio got for a false start in Mexico.  And sometimes the drivers get away with it- such as Lando in Saudi, or Bottas in Austria, or Vettel in Suzuka some years back.  Unless you recall stiffer penalties? 

[JeanAlesi27]

Yeah George has always seemed a bit two-faced. He reminds me of Jenson Button, he was exactly the same.

 

Can you imagine if Max and George end up as team-mates at Mercedes in the future? Could happen. The fur would fly, especially if the WDC were at stake. 

 

Sounds like you're talking about Lewis..  fur flew with Fernando,  Jenson and Nico.     The only commonality Jenson has with George is that he was Lewis's teammate.   Jenson is widely accepted as one of the nicest, coolest guys on the grid.

[earthling45]

A little bit more substance from Erik van Haren.

 

https://twitter.com/...306355391582269

 

Apparently Russell insiniuated during the meeting with the stewards that Verstappen was hindering/impleding him on purpose. 

 

And afterwards as i have understood Max made a promise to George, saying "now your happy , but i'll take first place back in turn one" and he did keep that promise.

Max does not get mad, he get's more motivated.

[Anuity]

It’s hardly surprising really. It’s not such a shocking reveal.

[NCB619]

The pearl clutching makes me laugh.

I'm willing to give the stewards the benefit of the doubt with this, given it was a unique/first time circumstance.

The real judgment will come if/when they decided to apply penalties the same in the future.

[Ruudbackus]

Taking pole from someone is harsh penalty and from what I understand, the PP will now go to Russel in the stats, a pole he did not earn on track. We have seen many times that drivers being investigated for being too slow on out laps, but there has never been any penalties. A reprimand would have been quite enough.

 

Maybe it the new regime showing their iron fist, something that would also explain why they gave Lando the maximum penalty for ignoring a flag that they themselves did not think was necessary in the first place. Hamilton's 5s for a false start must be one of the most lenient in F1 history? Maybe Max was right about Russell's, or Toto's, FIA buddies?

Max didn't say anything about Toto or mercedes did he? It was all about Russel being two-faced. Something he doesn't like and i think many people don't. We don't know what was said in the stewards room but we know that Max is pretty straightforwarded in what he thinks and says. So it must be really opposite to what Russel told the media. 

 

The 5s for Hamilton has been the standard for quite some time as some pointed out already.

[Laptom]

Blaming George for that penalty is like Lando blaming Max for calling him out on not lifting for the double yellow.  The stewards decided that it was wrong, not George.  He merely brought it to their attention.  

 

This is not completely true. 

Russell floored it in the last few corners to create "a dangerous" situation. Max had 2 cars in front of him which he respected. 

 

With Lando, it was something Lando did by himself wrong and Max pointing at it. Nevertheless, it should have been something noted by the Stewards by themselve to keep the loud pedal to the floor in a double yellow situation.

I hope you can see the difference between the 2. 

[krea]

They nailed Verstappen on a technical thing (delta) in the rules ignoring the circumstances why Verstappen (other drivers ahead) was slower and Russell accelerating despite knowing there are other drivers ahead.
Knowing that everything was on pretty shady grounds the stewards invented the one grid position penalty.