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[Bliman]

MikeTekRacing, on 08 Dec 2024 - 07:03, said:

Russel no penalty for that
His apologists go silent.

Go figure

I guess you only read what you want. Also it is a separate incident.

[Bliman]

Laptom, on 08 Dec 2024 - 07:52, said:

That specific Q session (Q1-Q3), 17 drivers were under their delta time. Yet, only Max received a penalty. You are correct that Max received a penalty for driving too slow, why didn't the others received a penalty if you want to talk about fair.

Did those other drivers impede someone? Not that I know. If Max didn't hinder anyone there would have been no problem imo.

[Bliman]

Laptom, on 08 Dec 2024 - 08:29, said:

That is not how the rules are written. That is how you want to read the rules.

Max was only in Russell's way because Russell drove like a lunatic while clear visibility on track and the cars in front of him. Not the first time btw.

But let's agree to disagree.

Lunatic?

[PrinceBira]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:01, said:

Did those other drivers impede someone? Not that I know. If Max didn't hinder anyone there would have been no problem imo.

You can’t impede a driver who is not on a push lap.

[AlcidioG]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:01, said:

Did those other drivers impede someone? Not that I know. If Max didn't hinder anyone there would have been no problem imo.

 

I thought it wasn't impeding he was punished for?? SO which one is it?

[PrinceBira]

Ben1980, on 08 Dec 2024 - 10:51, said:

So you really think this was all planned by George?

He saw an opportunity to screw over a direct competitor and went full in on it.

Normal behavior when a driver knows that w slow car ahead is to overtake that car. The track in Qatar is about 12 meters wide, enough space to pass a slow car.

Do you see any reason to not use the empty track?

[Bliman]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:05, said:

You can’t impede a driver who is not on a push lap.

Sure you can.

[Bliman]

AlcidioG, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:08, said:

I thought it wasn't impeding he was punished for?? SO which one is it?

I thought it was both.

[Ben1980]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:05, said:

You can’t impede a driver who is not on a push lap.

“The stewards note that the Race Director’s notes were issued in accordance with Article 12.2.1 i) of the International Sporting Code, for the “safe and orderly” conduct of the event. In this case, there is no evidence of any unsafe or disorderly conduct (such as unnecessary impeding) however a breach has still occurred, due to the failure to comply with the SC2 to SC1 time, and hence the penalty of a reprimand (driving) is imposed.



The above was after Perez got his reprimand, where it says impeding, it doesn't say if only on a fast lap.

[Ben1980]

AlcidioG, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:08, said:

I thought it wasn't impeding he was punished for?? SO which one is it?

He was punished for driving too slow ( which he did, no one can argue that) while driving too slow it impacted another driver. Which is why they took it past the usual reprimand, that Perez and Tsunoda got.

[Ben1980]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:08, said:

He saw an opportunity to screw over a direct competitor and went full in on it.

Normal behavior when a driver knows that w slow car ahead is to overtake that car. The track in Qatar is about 12 meters wide, enough space to pass a slow car.

Do you see any reason to not use the empty track?

But the slow car, shouldn't be on the racing line. That's the issue, it should move out the way.

[Nemo1965]

Jezus Christ. Are there really people who believe that Russell did not drive unnecessarily slowly and did not impede another driver? What is this: ‘Don’t believe your lying eyes’?

[PrinceBira]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:11, said:

Sure you can.

Most definitely not.

Two cars both not on a push lap have the equal right to the track.

[JBJ]

Nemo1965, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:23, said:

Jezus Christ. Are there really people who believe that Russell did not drive unnecessarily slowly and did not impede another driver? What is this: ‘Don’t believe your lying eyes’?

 

Yep, the same people who claim Max impeded Russell last race
I'm out of here

[PrinceBira]

Ben1980, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:17, said:

But the slow car, shouldn't be on the racing line. That's the issue, it should move out the way.

I don’t agree it should - not for cars not on a push lap.

But even IF I’d agree: what reason do you see for Russell deciding not to overtake him but to almost run into him?

[PrinceBira]

Russell yesterday:

[AlcidioG]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:36, said:

Russell yesterday:

 

Russell could have slotted in behind Alonso but chose not to because that would have ruined his lap, so he instead impeded Lawson and got no penalty

[speedyenrico]

Ben1980, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:17, said:

But the slow car, shouldn't be on the racing line. That's the issue, it should move out the way.

Yes that is clear right now after the ruling. Not something VER could have anticipate beforehand. For me it is RUS screwed him over as he did have to floor it and leave VER without any time to respond without creating a dangerous situation

[Ben1980]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:29, said:

Most definitely not.

Two cars both not on a push lap have the equal right to the track.

Hence the delta for safety purposes.

[Ben1980]

AlcidioG, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:41, said:

Russell could have slotted in behind Alonso but chose not to because that would have ruined his lap, so he instead impeded Lawson and got no penalty

Then start a Russell thread. It's a different circumstance to this one.

[Ben1980]

speedyenrico, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:49, said:

Yes that is clear right now after the ruling. Not something VER could have anticipate beforehand. For me it is RUS screwed him over as he did have to floor it and leave VER without any time to respond without creating a dangerous situation

It was clear before the ruling, according to the report after Perez got a reprimand anyway.

[Ben1980]

JBJ, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:34, said:

Yep, the same people who claim Max impeded Russell last race
I'm out of here

Not sure I've seen anyone claim differing sides?

[speedyenrico]

Ben1980, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:55, said:

It was clear before the ruling, according to the report after Perez got a reprimand anyway.

Yea in hindsight everything is easy, certainly if you are now the first one getting a penalty for this. At least we now know where the boundaries are and hope they apply it constantly which probably is wishful thinking

Edited by speedyenrico, 08 December 2024 - 12:00.

[Ali_G]

Nemo1965, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:23, said:

Jezus Christ. Are there really people who believe that Russell did not drive unnecessarily slowly and did not impede another driver? What is this: ‘Don’t believe your lying eyes’?

Some on here’s arguments are simply based on who the driver is and not what actually happens.

[Bliman]

Ali_G, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:18, said:

Some on here’s arguments are simply based on who the driver is and not what actually happens.

Maybe should name names instead of cheap accusations.

[Bliman]

JBJ, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:34, said:

Yep, the same people who claim Max impeded Russell last race
I'm out of here

Who?

[Analog]

How about this: If your lap is slower than your delta, next lap does not count. In order to not be exploited by doing two slow down lap, the time you've exceeded your delta is subtracted from next lap delta.
If we could see their delta's in the feeds, that would add a dimension.

 

That would of course also lead to a whole lot of chaos, but it would be a new type of chaos
 

[mclara]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:26, said:

Who?

max fans are just inventing.

 

GR clearly deserved a penalty yesterday and Max last weekend.

these are the rules but the forum does not decide. Stewards do.

[krea]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:25, said:

Maybe should name names instead of cheap accusations.

 

You You You

 

It's just sad at this point. 

Edited by krea, 08 December 2024 - 12:42.

[Bliman]

krea, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:42, said:

You You You

It's just sad at this point.

Hahaha. Ok give me some proof than. I also said that Russell deserved a penalty.

[Bliman]

PrinceBira, on 08 Dec 2024 - 11:29, said:

Most definitely not.

Two cars both not on a push lap have the equal right to the track.

Not when one is so much above his delta time.

[AlcidioG]

Bliman, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:46, said:

Hahaha. Ok give me some proof than. I also said that Russell deserved a penalty.

 

I actually think he meant all the finger pointing is just sad at this point. Not that you had said Russell didn't deserve a penalty

[Bliman]

AlcidioG, on 08 Dec 2024 - 12:47, said:

I actually think he meant all the finger pointing is just sad at this point. Not that you had said Russell didn't deserve a penalty

Which fingerpointing? I see other people fingerpointing. Yet crickets.

[SophieB]

I think if you’re getting to the point where you are accusing each other of being awful, we’re done.