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[KWSN - DSM]

I am anti-Sainz and pro-Tsunoda that needs to be factored in.

[Jops14]

Im very pro Tsunoda, but it just looked like he lost the rear trying to out the power down, unfortunate incident

[Beri]

Sainz was on the normal line. Yuki simply didn't account this.

[baddog]

The important thing is seeing both drivers up to speed and performing well. Bodes well for the future.

[ATM]

For the accident itself, although a Sainz fan, I would say a 50-50 fault would be accurate. Sainz turned quite aggresively towards the middle of the track to cut Yuki's comeback. We saw a lot of similar overtakes in the race, but most drivers avoided to do that, probably because the chance of the overtaken driver losing it and torpedoing them would be aggravated by taking away buffer space. Sainz played it hard and lost. Of course, if Yuki had a better control of the car, this would not have happened but Sainz kind of forced the accident.
So far, his race was a better one, showing glimpses of his previous form. Nevertheless, shout out to Albon, which was able to claw back the Qualy deficit and be right on Sainz's gearbox.

Overall, I would say encouraging. But also slightly worrying that Alpine were able to run us strong, with their end-of-shelf-life engine.

[PayasYouRace]

cjm321190, on 13 Apr 2025 - 14:03, said:

What Beri is getting at is Albon should bot have been 15th to begin with.

You have to make your own destiny.

Then it wouldn’t have been Albon but whoever else was 15th that should have got to Q2.

It’s not that Albon was shafted. It’s that whoever was 15th was shafted.

[Beri]

PayasYouRace, on 14 Apr 2025 - 09:00, said:

Then it wouldn’t have been Albon but whoever else was 15th that should have got to Q2.

It’s not that Albon was shafted. It’s that whoever was 15th was shafted.

 

Yes. And then we wouldnt have had this discussion in the Williams Thread. Meaning; Albon should have done better. Simple as that.

[SpeedRacer`]

Albon was clearly slower than he should've been in Q1, putting himself at risk.

 

That said, in the race he was slightly quicker than Sainz and made more out of the harder tyres than others. The SC slightly hurt him as he was coming at the others ahead with a tyre offset.

[vlado]

Official: Sainz given three grid penalties in Jeddah, forced Antonelli off track


https://x.com/formul...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

[prty]

vlado, on 14 Apr 2025 - 18:34, said:

Official: Sainz given three grid penalties in Jeddah, forced Antonelli off track


https://x.com/formul...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

Is it?

https://www.reddit.c...id_penalty_has/

https://www.fia.com/...rain Grand Prix

[KWSN - DSM]

prty, on 14 Apr 2025 - 18:44, said:

Is it?

https://www.reddit.c...id_penalty_has/

https://www.fia.com/...rain Grand Prix

 

Yes it is, document 53 corrected, 10 seconds and 2 points.

[KWSN - DSM]

KWSN - DSM, on 14 Apr 2025 - 19:50, said:

Yes it is, document 53 corrected, 10 seconds and 2 points.

 

Nope I stand corrected, no penalty accordint to final standings

[prty]

KWSN - DSM, on 14 Apr 2025 - 19:50, said:

Yes it is, document 53 corrected, 10 seconds and 2 points.

 

In that document they deleted the part about the grid drop penalty in the next race.

[Beri]

KWSN - DSM, on 14 Apr 2025 - 19:52, said:

Nope I stand corrected, no penalty accordint to final standings

Always a breeze to see you admit your mistakes 😉

Anywho, happily Sainz has no penalty. Because it seemed all weekend that he gained momentum and with that; speed. His race craft was on par and what to be expected of him. Albeit sometimes a bit over the edge (Antonella for instance).

Let's hope he can bring that to Jeddah too.

[Little Leaf]

It is good if Sainz has managed to turn the corner as Williams will need 2 strong drivers to compete for 5th, which I still think may be a stretch.

[KWSN - DSM]

Beri, on 15 Apr 2025 - 05:42, said:

Always a breeze to see you admit your mistakes

Anywho, happily Sainz has no penalty. Because it seemed all weekend that he gained momentum and with that; speed. His race craft was on par and what to be expected of him. Albeit sometimes a bit over the edge (Antonella for instance).

Let's hope he can bring that to Jeddah too.

 

[KPower]

Article on Sainz's driving style highlighting one of the FW47's limitations. Feedback from Albon too.

 

https://www.the-race...ms-f1-weakness/

 

 

Hopefully the engineers tackle this for 2026.

Edited by KPower, 17 April 2025 - 17:58.

[sniper80]

I think Sainz is one of the hardest working F1 drivers in the field, but isn't the strength of the best drivers to adapt & drive around a car's limits?

Edited by sniper80, 17 April 2025 - 19:12.

[Anderis]

sniper80, on 17 Apr 2025 - 19:11, said:

but isn't the strength of the best drivers to adapt & drive around a car's limits?

It should be in theory but I don't think even there's a driver out there than can drive around any trouble there might be. We've seen even the very best drivers in the history of the sport having inexcplicable lack of pace on certain occasions. I suspect that sometimes a factor that makes or breaks an F1 career is luck whether the exact car that you get to drive during a crucial point of your career has issues that you can drive around well or not so well. 
 

[KPower]

sniper80, on 17 Apr 2025 - 19:11, said:

I think Sainz is one of the hardest working F1 drivers in the field, but isn't the strength of the best drivers to adapt & drive around a car's limits?

 

That's what he's doing now. Apparently they can't change the car to fix the limitation without a thorough rethink. They'll get that chance next year. 

[KPower]

Good FP1.

 

Hopefully both cars have the pace for points. Just need a clean weekend. Hard to do in the midfield.

[Beri]

Better FP2. Hopeful for the weekend!

[Little Leaf]

Not looking too bad, hopefully both drivers will get a clean run in qualifying later.

[KPower]

Looking good in FP3. Both drivers look ready to go for qualifying. 

[Little Leaf]

Carlos slightly faster again, did Alex mistime his last run?

[KPower]

Little Leaf, on 19 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

Carlos slightly faster again, did Alex mistime his last run?

 

It was a gamble. The crash was just mistimed. 

 

I think he wanted clear air/zero traffic as he set an early time in both Q2 runs.

 

Great timing by Sainz in Q3. P6 should give him some confidence.

Edited by KPower, 19 April 2025 - 18:15.

[Little Leaf]

Great result for Carlos in P6

[Anderis]

KPower, on 19 Apr 2025 - 18:15, said:

I think he wanted clear air/zero traffic as he set an early time in both Q2 runs.

He was often doing that in previous years as well.

 

I don't think it's the best strategy when the field is so close. Even if the circuit "improves" by half a tenth, it can often make a difference. When you're in a Williams, you should optimise for the best possible run in Q2, not for a "safe" run.

[Beri]

Finally Sainz is showing is true worth. Happy with the result!

[search]

Anderis, on 19 Apr 2025 - 18:28, said:

He was often doing that in previous years as well.

 

I don't think it's the best strategy when the field is so close. Even if the circuit "improves" by half a tenth, it can often make a difference. When you're in a Williams, you should optimise for the best possible run in Q2, not for a "safe" run.

generally I agree, but today the car was fast enough. Problem was not so much the improving track, but that Albon lost 2 tenths in the final corner.

[Anderis]

search, on 19 Apr 2025 - 18:48, said:

generally I agree, but today the car was fast enough. Problem was not so much the improving track, but that Albon lost 2 tenths in the final corner.

Albon lost Q3 by 0.007 seconds. I think it's pretty likely an identical lap in terms of driving quality set a few minutes later would've been more than 0.007 seconds faster. You don't always nail your lap perfectly. You should take the best track conditions possible unless you have several tenths of a margin of error IMO.

[search]

Anderis, on 19 Apr 2025 - 18:54, said:

Albon lost Q3 by 0.007 seconds. I think it's pretty likely an identical lap in terms of driving quality set a few minutes later would've been more than 0.007 seconds faster. You don't always nail your lap perfectly. You should take the best track conditions possible unless you have several tenths of a margin of error IMO.

yeah, that's true as well. The time loss on the straight before is probably mainly from not having a tow at all

 

[Anderis]

Just one observaton- we've had 6 qualifying sessions this year including 1 sprint and the smallest gap between the Williams drivers was 3 places. It's becoming an annoying pattern that the team is never able to optimise the qualifying result for both drivers.

[AlexPrime]

I think Williams are doing fine, considering they are waiting for the season to end, basically. 

[KPower]

Anderis, on 19 Apr 2025 - 19:34, said:

Just one observaton- we've had 6 qualifying sessions this year including 1 sprint and the smallest gap between the Williams drivers was 3 places. It's becoming an annoying pattern that the team is never able to optimise the qualifying result for both drivers.

 

Meh, could be Haas. Want to talk about wild swings.

 

Williams is doing about as well as you could ask for being borderline Q3. One of the two is likely to be caught out unfortunately. 

Edited by KPower, 19 April 2025 - 21:01.

[Ferrim]

Some people wanted to write Sainz off after a couple of races...

Williams have a very strong driver pair.

[cjm321190]

Between 2 x Redbull, 2 x ferrari, 2 x Merc and 2 x Mclaren. That is 8 cars. So 1 Williams in the Top ten per race is realistic.

The difference now is we have a back up 2 car team rather than putting all the pressure on Albon.


Yuki makes this more difficult.

[Baddoer]

I just wonder why Haas team principal name is written on the car

[cjm321190]

Maybe in trouble here. With the back 5 cars already on SC swapped hards.

We had better have a big tyre differential. Else points might be difficult.

[cjm321190]

It is ok the 1 stop dream for those checky SC pitters is dying.

[cjm321190]

Well there you go maximising points. A great day.

[Francesc]

Excellent result. Absolutely maximised everything with top team work. That's the difference of having two great drivers makes.

[Sabre1977]

Great Teamwork.

[Little Leaf]

Great result and teamwork!

Carlos is finding his feet at Williams now

[Anderis]

Excellent team work. Hadjar would've probably overtaken both of them if Sainz didn't give Albon the DRS.

[Beri]

Fifth. Fifth guys. Let it sink in.. we are FIFTH in the Championship right now. What a dream this is at this moment.

The teamwork on the DRS train goes to show Sainz and Albon are great together.

[Little Leaf]

I was preparing myself for a 9th & 10th place finish which also wouldn’t have been too bad. 8th & 9th obviously much better.

Did both drivers lose time in the pits?

[keshav]

Great race for the boys!

[Sabre1977]

Little Leaf, on 20 Apr 2025 - 19:14, said:

I was preparing myself for a 9th & 10th place finish which also wouldn’t have been too bad. 8th & 9th obviously much better.

Did both drivers lose time in the pits?

Sainz lost almost 6 seconds. Don't know Albon

[Victor]

A double point finish! Great work by both drivers. Sainz is finally delivering. He was crucial for Albon's result.