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#1 JL14

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Posted Yesterday, 22:17

I'd say Smedley - talking on the Red Flags podcast - is completely right in his observation/assessment about he current race engineers trying to 'please' and 'baby' - yes, all of you will start to mention Hockenheim 2010 and the "Felipe baby, stay cool" - their driver too much, like you see for example a lot at McLaren and Ferrari:

 

“In general, I think in Formula 1 now, there’s too much pussyfooting around.
Like, the way the radio messages go to the driver, I’m like, ****ing grow a pair, man. Just tell him what you need to tell him.”
 
“You give any narcissistic sociopath an inch and they’ll take a yard, right, so don’t give him that inch to start with. Don’t give him this fact that I’ve got some kind of inferiority complex here and I’m going to tell you something and maybe you’ll do it… No, mate, we’re at work, right? I’m going to tell you something, you do it.
When my boss tells me something, I do it. That’s the way the world works. And if we don’t do that, right, as long as we’re not working for narcissists and sociopaths and they’re telling us to do the wrong things, if we don’t do that in a high-pressure environment like this, the whole thing’s going to get spun off its axis.”

 

“There’s a lot of this stuff like: should I make a decision? Should I ask this driver to move over or that driver to move him? Will his feelings be hurt? Look, you’re only ever going to get one driver at the end of the race who’s happy, right? You can’t please all of the people all of the time. So just ****ing grow a pair and get on and make the decisions that you need to make.”
 
“Between Max and GP, they’ve definitely got that relationship right. GP tells him how it is and Max will fire back.
One thing I really like about GP – and again that’s very similar to how I always felt as well – is sometimes the drivers can get slightly sociopathic with their views on the team. These are guys who are staying up until midnight a lot of the nights working for you and getting things right. You’ve heard GP a couple of times, and I’ve definitely said it to my drivers, I think you need to go back in the garage and apologise to the guys because how you’ve been behaving is not very adult, or you haven’t been a very nice person, put in polite terms, so get in there and apologise. GP’s done that with Max, I certainly did it in my time.
During one especially tense race last year, Lambiase told Verstappen he would not be drawn into ‘childish’ exchanges over whether other drivers were complying with the rules. I think the way Gianpiero conducts himself on the radio is probably just a reflection of their real relationship. They’ve got this good relationship, you’ve got a relationship that works, they both rely on each other fully and they both trust each other fully. When you’ve got that, you can talk to each other how you want. You don’t have to have this like, ‘control,’ ‘check,’ ‘ten-four,’ all of this nonsense, right? We are checking, ****ing hurry up then because I’m driving a car at 200 miles an hour.”

Edited by JL14, Yesterday, 22:20.


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#2 MikeTekRacing

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Posted Yesterday, 22:40

well, there are lot of aspects related to this. First of all, teams have managers to handle the positive/constructive relationship. 

Yeah, some drivers are aggressive at times, but sometimes the race engineer is pretty useless or kind of dumb in talking. Countless efforts at Ferrari.

 

I like the parallel to your boss, there are some key differences:

- these guys are top athletes, in any sports the stars have more power than the supporting stuff. If you were paid 20M a year and your boss was paid 120k a year, it's clear who's the boss there...

- These guys are performing under adrenaline and mental stress. Their mental capacity used for driving the car, understanding what happens around them, talk etc...

- physical stress - they are under a lot of physical effort, talking itself is hard

 

Some do it better, some don't.  But you have to think what they actually do and in what conditions before coming across as you do. 



#3 MortenF1

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Posted Yesterday, 22:49

Norris’ race engineer talks to him as if he’s afraid of him, but Norris is grumpy and unpleasant most of the time so maybe he’s just not looking forward to the reply…

#4 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted Yesterday, 23:36

In my opinion, drivers needlessly just complain all the time, so much that it has become a habit, a contagious one!

 

The amount of F*** word usage has become so high that the word has lost it's effectiveness, so much that even I would say, some drivers are just not worthy of using the F*** word anymore!


Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, Yesterday, 23:38.


#5 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted Yesterday, 23:45

Not so long ago, F*** word was highly prestigious but now some drivers use it to say Hello to their race engineers!  :D

 


Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, Yesterday, 23:49.


#6 KPower

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Posted Today, 03:49

I don't think Ferrari's race engineers "baby" their drivers. I think Adami in particular, was very level headed and straightforward with Vettel and Sainz, and should continue that with Hamilton.

 

McLaren on the other hand, especially during the Hungary debacle, was shameful.