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[MrAerodynamicist]

Those who visit the Paddock club will know abou this. This is a idea brewed up between me & paste for yet another league for us lot to play. It seems that nobody else wanted /could take the role of running it so I will.

Basically rather than score points based on finishing positions, it's going to be based on who crashes out of the race

Before every round, everybody can pick three drivers. If that driver crashed out you then score points. The more often a driver crashed out [[b]not[b/] mechanical failures. Will use Autosport mag to decide], the less points the crashes will be worth. In Australia, every driver will be worth 3 point. Following every round, their points will be adjusted as follows:
* Increase pt score by 1 if they did not crash out.
* Decrease 3pts if they crashed out. [Limit set at zero points!]
Being involved in a crash that leads to a red flag will score 1.5x ie stop the race in Aus and you get 4.5pts If a race is restarted, a driver can score points in both halves. No extra points for personal injury. [I'm not that twisted! :)]

Now for a complicatred bit: In order to keep work down [I've got other t'ings to do] I'm going to write a quick program to automatically strip out entries from a page saved from the BB. This means that you entries will have to included a line as follows:

[[[Your name/Driver1/Driver2/Driver3]]]

sub'ing in as required. Drivers should be entered as the first four digits of their surname. ie Hakk, Vill, Salo, Fren. In the case of Schumacher's use RSch or MSchu. [don't worry about case]

As an example, my entry is:
[[[MrA/Hied/Ales/Vers]]]

Hope you can follow that, if not you know where to get me

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MrA
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"


[This message has been edited by MrAerodynamicist (edited 03-08-2000).]

[130R]

crashing out...

Irvine
Mazzachane
Alesi

[MrAerodynamicist]

I assume thats an entry?
[[[130R/Irvi/Mazz/Ales]]] if you would.



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MrA
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"

[Czesc]

So this is for Australia:

[[[Czesc/Dini/Zont/Butt]]]

A cool competition

[yahoo]

[[[yahoo/dinz/dc/vers]]]


HOW MANY NUTTY COMPETIEIONS ARE ON THIS BB.

[Grano]

[[[Grano/Butt/Mazz/Trul]]]

[This message has been edited by Grano (edited 03-06-2000).]

[RJ]

[[[RJ/Fisi/Butt/Vers]]]

[FordFan]

[[[FordFan/Dela/Wurz/Butt]]]

[Karter]

[[[Karter/Mazz/Butt/Vers]]]

[130R]

Mr A, thats an entry, thanks...

[Psycho]

[[[Psycho/Coul/Hakk/Vill]]]

[Mr. Salty]

[[[Mr. Salty/Vill/Vers/Butt]]]

[FulcrumF1]

[[[FulcrumF1/Wurz/Coul/Butt]]]

[Pascal]

[[[Pascal/Coul/Vers/Mazz]]]

I can't lose!

[AD]

[[[AD/vill/Vers/butt]]]

[Paste]

[[[Paste/Trul/Heid/Fisi]]]


[This message has been edited by Paste (edited 03-06-2000).]

[Samurai]

Mr. A maybe not PC, but interesting idea! (thanks for taking the trouble)

[[[Samurai/Fisi/MSch/Coul]]]

[Todd]

[[[Todd/Coul/Butt/Vill]]]

This is assuming that Button's Williams lasts long enough to crash. If I thought the car would go the distance and I knew his name, I'd have picked the new #2 at Minardi.

[Indian Chief]

Mazzacane
Button
Verstappen.

[IRISH]

[[[IRISH/Trull/Butt/Vers]]]
cheers.

[DangerMouse]

[[[DangerMouse/Butt/Fisi/Zont]]]

[Nomad]

[[[Nomad/butt/vers/trul]]]

[A3]

[[[A3/Coul/butt/Mazz]]]

[Witt]

[[[Witt/vers/gene/mazz]]]

[Nikolas Garth]

[[[NikG/Butt/Vill/Vers]]]

[Gemini]

[[[Gemini/vers/butt/mazz]]]

[Mecon]

[[[Mecon/coul/butt/vill]]]

[Force Ten]

[[[Force Ten/Butt/Mazz/Trul]]]

[MrAerodynamicist]

[[[Indian Chief/Mazz/Butt/Vers]]]



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MrA
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"

[Nikolas Garth]

Mr.A.
I'm having trouble understanding both your points scoring system and some of the rational behind it.

Before every round, everybody can pick three drivers. If that driver crashed out you then score points. The more often a driver crashed out [[b]not[b/] mechanical failures. Will use Autosport mag to decide], the less points the crashes will be worth.

So if Jos visits the gravel once, how many points do I get(assuming I have picked him)?

If in the same race, Jos visits the gravel twice(quite likely), then what is my total points score?

In Australia, every driver will be worth 3 point. Following every round, their points will be adjusted as follows:
* Increase pt score by 1 if they did not crash out.
* Decrease 3pts if they crashed out. [Limit set at zero points!]

Why are their scores increasing if they don't crash, I thought that the aim of this contest was to pick drivers who crash and be rewarded. Similarly why decrease 3 pts if they crash out???

Being involved in a crash that leads to a red flag will score 1.5x ie stop the race in Aus and you get 4.5pts If a race is restarted, a driver can score points in both halves. No extra points for personal injury. [I'm not that twisted! ]

How come now you are scoring points for a driver crashing, when before you were losing points?????

[JJP]

[[[JJP/Vers/Barr/RSch]]]

[This message has been edited by JJP (edited 03-07-2000).]

[RacerX]

[[[RacerX/Wurt/Mazz/Zont]]]

[Makarias]

[[[Makarias/Butt/Mazz/Heid]]]

[MrAerodynamicist]

I'll have a go at explaining somewhat better:

Each competition must always have some sort of ranking/pricing system. Else everybody would just always pick the same three best drivers. For this competition, rather than trying to decide on prices for drivers I', going to use a system that alters the points awarded to a driver depending on how much they have crashed previously.

Before that though, I will explain what is to be defined as a crash - a crash will be defined as where a driver makes a mistakes, crashes and has to retire imediately. Jos driving though a gravel trap before contuning will not count as a crash. Only if they get stuck/stall/lose a wheel etc will it be considered a crash. The only time a driver can there crash twice in one race is if race restarts come into play. ie they crash at the start then crash the spare too.

Following each race, the drivers points will then be moved up or down the points scale. If a driver crashed [at least once] during the race, then they shall be worth three less points for the following race. However, should they not crash then they will be worth 1pt more. As the season progresses, drivers who don't crash very often will become worth much more than those who do.

1: For Australia, you need to pick three drivers. Each driver is currently worth 3pts. For each of your drivers that crash out you will earn three points [plus any bonus points for red-flags etc]
2: Following Australia, I will then adjust the driver values by +1/-3 system.
3:You will then pick three drivers for Brazil. If they crash you will then earn points depending on driver value [as determined by step 2]
4: I will then further adjust the driver values by +1/-3 depending on the crashes in the Brazil GP.
5: etc

But when picking three drivers do you gamble on a driver worth lots of points but who has yet to crash during the season or do you go with a more likely driver to crash but get less points than them? [Drivers will never be worth less than 0pts]

Lets say that you pick Schumacher and Barrichello for Brazil. However, Barrichello crashed in Aus, Schumacher didn't. Now lets say that they both crashed in Brazil. Schumacher would earn you four points [3 + 1 for not crashing in Aus] Barrichello wouldn't earn you any point, as he lost 3 pts due to his crash in Aus.

I hope that that has cleared it up. If not ask, or just pick the three drivers you think will crash and learn as we go along.



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MrA
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"

[Spaceman]

[[[Spaceman/Mazz/Butt/Heid]]]

[Gohan]

[[[Gohan/Butt/Mazz/Vill]]]

[130R]

Obviously, nobody is going to pick a driver worth 'zero' points. Thus, he'll be worth 1 point the following race. Not sure thats a good system...

[Peter]

what a weird idea!

So all you cynics think Jenson Button will crash in his first race!

Well at least you won't all be putting his name down to crash in the second race too as you would get no points for that.

On the other hand, when MH crashes in his 10th race, you will get 12 points if he has not crashed before (do we get extra points if a driver is seen on camera, crying after a crash?)

As JV always crashes in Canada, will that earn less, or more points?

Oh well, here goes! (but I think there are going to be a lot of appeals as to whether someone crashed or just stopped on circuit, would MS into the back of DC and bringing the car into the pits on three wheels be counted as a crash?, would MH losing a wheel on the circuit be?)

[[[Peter/Coul/Ales/Mazz]]]

[Nikolas Garth]

Mr.A.
Thanks, that makes a lot more sense.

[h2fan]

[[[H2FAN/vill/butt/Mazz]]]

Rgds,

H2FAN

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H2FAN

H20 = Water, H2F = Champagne

[smarty]

[[[smarty/Coul/Butt/Vers]]]

[Jackdaw]

[[[Jackdaw/Coul/Butt/Dela]]]

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Jackdaw

"If it wasn't for disappointments, I wouldn't have any appointments"

[jack and gilles]

[[[jack and gilles/mazz/wurz/butt]]]

Have you thought about counting 'running out of fuel' as "crashing out"?

[Indy]

[[[Indy/mazz/ales/heid]]]

[MrAerodynamicist]

It's Driver mistakes. I suppose I could count Alesiesque not pitting but to keep things simple I won't.

Re Zero pt drivers: Yes nobody will pick them [thats the idea, force people to go for variety.] but that doesn't mean that they will beworth 1pt next time. The drivers values are the same for everybody and are independant of if they are picked or not. A 0pt driver will only become +1 when they don't crash out of a race.

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MrA
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"

[Psychoman]

[[[Psychoman/Vers/Butt/Mazz]]]

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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson

[Dsilence]

[[[Dsilence/Coul/Trul/Dini]]]

[coyoteBR]

[[[coyoteBR/Salo/RSch/Vill]]]


Mr. A, how about crashing while qualyfing?

[This message has been edited by coyoteBR (edited 03-08-2000).]

[Daemon]

[[[Daemon/Coul/Butt/Barr]]]

[coyoteBR]

Or an extra point for:
- run over a pit crew member
- crash in the warm-up lap
- crash during a yellow flag
- the stupidiest excuse (for example: "I got interference in my radio due the Ice-cream vendors")

But, of course, such things never happen in f1