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[Lemnpiper]

Along with Olivia de Haviland   July 1 1916 July 26 2020    Eva is the 3rd actress to win a Best Actress Oscar (On the Waterfront) to make it to 100.

 

  Though i am more partial to North By Northwest for a movie with Eva Marie-Saint   in it .

 

 

 

 

   Paul 

Edited by Lemnpiper, 07 July 2024 - 20:46.

[bradbury west]

 

  Though i am more partial to North By Northwest for a movie with Eva Marie-Saint   in it .

   Paul 

Interestingly this has been on TV twice in the last two weeks, so I had a chance to see it. Probably on as an antidote to endless football.

Roger Lund

[10kDA]

Along with Olivia de Haviland   July 1 1916 July 26 2020    Eva is the 3rd actress to win a Best Actress Oscar (On the Waterfront) to make it to 100.

 

  Though i am more partial to North By Northwest for a movie with Eva Marie-Saint   in it .

 

 

 

 

   Paul 

I agree, NxNW is a better movie overall, Eva Marie Saint gives a better performance, and the Stearman cropduster almost, but not quite, makes up for a lack of racing. LOL

[Macca]

Along with Olivia de Haviland   July 1 1916 July 26 2020    Eva is the 3rd actress to win a Best Actress Oscar (On the Waterfront) to make it to 100.
 
  Though i am more partial to North By Northwest for a movie with Eva Marie-Saint   in it .
 
   Paul

The first was Luise Rainer; and the only male actor was George Burns.

Geneviève Page is 96. Sadly I’ve just learned that Evans Evans passed away on June 16th at 91.

Paul M

[B Squared]

Turner Classic Movies is playing Grand Prix at 10:15 p.m. eastern US.

[E1pix]

We’re at a motel, so Thanks!!!

[jonpollak]

Just found this.....

 

 

Jp

[jonpollak]

Note to Self:

Make sure you watch these HughToobe finds BEFORE posting them for the world to see.

 

Apologies.

Jp

[DCapps]

Note to Self:

Make sure you watch these HughToobe finds BEFORE posting them for the world to see.

 

Apologies.

Jp

 

I actually thought it was an interesting discussion and made some very good points. Far, far better than most of the discussions on cars in movies that I have read or watched. 

[jonpollak]

Thank you Don.

 

I get a lot of flack from people who have definitive borderlines of what they think is acceptable to post.

The style of presentation the host uses could be called into question but as you said.... It makes some very good points.

 

As my Dad worked for both Saul Bass and this picture I have a lasting and lovely recollection of a lot of what is posted in this thread.

 

All the best,

Jp

[blackmme]

Just found this.....

 

 

Jp

 

Thanks for that Jon, really good watch and I would never have stumbled across it.

 

Regards Mike

[LittleChris]

I enjoyed it too 

[Sterzo]

That's a terrific video, Jon. Really brought home the creativity that went into making the film. Many, many fascinating points made. I also thought the presenter was excellent (though maybe would be better with his hands removed).

 

This is TNF, therefore a pedantic point is compulsory. He mentioned the actors were in real Formula One cars. Fair enough, it doesn't matter, but they were actually mocked-up F3 cars and some of them looked it.

[d j fox]

Agreed , very interesting and informative. I was at Brands during the filming and remember the GT40 camera car and, yes the F3 cars with added “bits” Presenter not necessarily to everyone’s taste but he certainly seems to know his movies!

Edited by d j fox, 06 August 2024 - 17:50.

[B Squared]

Interesting find Jp, thanks. I remember the impact that seeing this movie as an 8-year-old had on me. A friend of mine had seen it in New York City on vacation in true Cinerama and even had about a 10x10 inch heavy gauge full color program on the movie that I could never talk him out of. I can't imagine how cool it had to have been with your dad working on the project.

[jonpollak]

I can't imagine how cool it had to have been with your dad working on the project.

It is still one of the strongest memories of my childhood.
Here is the story....

In 1966 my Father came home from work one evening before Christmas, he worked for a guy named Saul Bass doing what was then called "opticals" and are now called "special FX".

He asked me if I wanted to attend a Hollywood Premiere?

"OK DAD"...I said. I had yet to work out WHY I was invited?
I was told to 'Go put a jacket on'
Off we went to the Cinerama Dome on Sunset Blvd.

Upon arrival, he opened an envelope and out came 2 large yellow tickets
Grand Prix was what it said on them...

I was clueless on entry.
Enraptured upon exit.

Seeing this epic in 70 mm changed my life forever.

Next year he announced to the family that he had to go back to Europe for another 4-6 months to work on a film called 'Candy'. My mother, being of sound decision making powers, said "FINE, The whole family goes".
Unperturbed, Dad brought the family over to St-Jean-Cap Ferrat.

This fit into my plan perfectly.
I BEGGED him to take me to a race and if for no other reason than to SHUT ME UP he took me to 1967 Monaco GP

It was mesmerisingly magical and all I had expected.

I was amazed to see and hear REAL F1 cars, not mock-ups. Jackie's BRM and the Surtees Honda were great sounding but it was Pedro, Siffert, and Jochen in the Cooper Maserati's that made me drool. I eventually fell for Stewart though and since my dad was leaning towards being a Graham Hill fan, surely due to his after-hours exploits, I had to have a more straight and narrow driver as my object of affection. So it was between the Scots Jim Clark and Jackie for the two of us.
The race was almost over when the second place car failed to come past us at the pelouses rocher.
I turned to see Dad with a frantic look on his face and he scooped me up as the incident hooter blared. We left the track as plumbs of smoke were coming up from the harbour chicane. I knew there was something bad happening but it was too late……That was IT....I was HOOKED.
The end of any semblance of a "normal" life for me...

Racing has permeated my entire life ever since.

Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 08 August 2024 - 13:48.

[B Squared]

Great story Jon, we started out about the same time with our passion for the sport.

I'd seen Indy Cars around that same year, I wouldn't see F1 until 1974 when my brother and I had driver's licenses and could head for Watkins.

[Breadmaster]

nice find @jonpollack!

[Jim Thurman]

Interesting find Jp, thanks. I remember the impact that seeing this movie as an 8-year-old had on me. A friend of mine had seen it in New York City on vacation in true Cinerama and even had about a 10x10 inch heavy gauge full color program on the movie that I could never talk him out of. I can't imagine how cool it had to have been with your dad working on the project.

Our family saw it at a theater in Mission Valley, San Diego. Parents got the program for my brother and I. Unfortunately, with all the moves, and the program being rather oversized, it had to be crammed into boxes it didn't fit into, so it's a bit battered    

[Emery0323]

Just found this.....

 

 

Jp

Great find, Jon!    This movie has typically been dismissed as just another 1960's "action" picture for male audience, but film commentator Patrick Willems' praise for the risks Frankenheimer took, and the rewards for the audience are clearly very heartfelt.   It's great to see "Grand Prix" get some serious, thoughtful accolades for its cinematic accomplishments.

Thanks for posting!

[jonpollak]

Great find, Jon! This movie has typically been dismissed as just another 1960's "action" picture for male audience, but film commentator Patrick Willems' praise for the risks Frankenheimer took, and the rewards for the audience are clearly very heartfelt. It's great to see "Grand Prix" get some serious, thoughtful accolades for its cinematic accomplishments.
Thanks for posting!

My pleasure Emery.
Sadly it STILL gets dismissed as "Dated and Boring" which leads me to believe that some people have a such limited grasp on the reality of the times, when they were not alive, that all they can use as a signpost are the things they have in their own lives in the here and now.

I find it maddening that people calling themselves 'race fans' dismissing something so beautiful in a rush to prove their own ignorance/arrogance. Let alone ignore all the revolutionary and innovative methods of photography and film making that spawned a massive change in both the way car racing was covered and films were made.

Jp

[Steffen]

FLB posted a link to the ina-archive in the youtube thread. While searching the archive I came across this one. I hope it wasn't posted before.

 

It's a short report of the filming for "Grand Prix" at Clermont Ferrand and features interviews with Francoise Hardy and Yves Montand:

 

https://www.ina.fr/i...film-grand-prix

[PayasYouRace]

Question for a fan project I’m working on. Do the Hills’ respective characters, Bob Turner and Tim Randolph, canonically drive for any particular constructor in the film?

[Steffen]

Yes, Bob Turner is a Jordan-BRM driver, while Tim Randolph seems to be the #1 driver for Yamura until Pete Arron joins them.

[PayasYouRace]

Thanks. That’s useful.

[PayasYouRace]

What a wonderful way to spend an evening, in the virtual paint shop.

 

So Forza Motorsport has been running a "Formula 60s" featured multiplayer league this week. Featured events change every Thursday. Formula 60s is the car division that for the most part features 1960s F1 cars. Six of them in fact, and having realised that there are six named drivers in the film, it seemed like a perfect theme to repaint the cars, as I don't like competing in the default liveries.

 

So to start, there's the 1964 Ferrari 158. As canonically we know Sarti was a former champion for Ferrari, it seemed like the obvious choice to put his name on the car. I chose his home race, the 1964 French Grand Prix, to determine the number. In this case, Surtees' No.24. I noticed that the driver names weren't routinely carried on cars back then, but how else to show that they're the drivers from Grand Prix?

 

 

Next we'll skip ahead to the year of the film, 1966. Now, one of the cars in indeed the McLaren M2B. It's default livery is the No.2 livery from Monaco that year, but that's not all that interesting. With Steffen's reminder that Tim Randolph was in the car prior to Pete Aron, I decided on a headcanon that Yamura brought an extra car to Watkins Glen, so that Randolph could compete in his home Grand Prix. So here it is, with the name and number in the style of the British GP part of the film. As Watkins Glen isn't in the film, I felt I could take some artistic licence here. In real life, Bruce McLaren was No.17 at that race, so it stands to reason that Aron would have that car, and Randolph the next (in reality carried by Mike Spence in the Reg Parnell Lotus.

 

 

Now onto 1967, and complete headcanon. I'll start with an easy one. Bob Turner. Formerly of Jordan-BRM, he accepted a move to Team Lotus for 1967 (wonder where I got that idea from?). As such, I've depicted the Lotus 49 from the game as his from the British Grand Prix, after the rebuild from the practice crash. I was rather pleased to find some colour photos from that race, which showed that the driver names were in blue. A nice detail to include.

 

 

Next up, what to do with the Eagle Mk.1? Well, taking inspiration from real life, I decided on the following sequence of events. After Sig. Manetta withdrew his remaining cars immediately after the tragedy of the Italian Grand Prix, tensions ran high between him and Nino Barlini. As the relationship soured, Barlini left the team a few races into the 1967 season, dissatisfied with what he felt was poor support from Il Commendatore. With no permanent drives available, he took what he could as he tried to find a permanent seat for '68. For his home Grand Prix at Monza, Dan Gurney provided him with a second Eagle, in reality the car driven by Ludo Scarfiotti.

 

 

Now my two favourites.

 

First, despite winning the Constructors Championship with BRM, Jeff Jordan could see that their cars weren't cutting it any longer. So for 1967, Jordan employed the promising combination of Repco-Brabham to supply cars for his team. Scott Stoddard once again led the charge for Jordan. Here I've depicted the Jordan-Brabham at Scott's home race, the British Grand Prix, substituting for real life Jackie Stewart. In truth, I just love the BRG with the orange nose combination of BRM, and I think it looks great on the Brabham. Was tempted to have the team rebrand to "Jordan Racing Developments". Do you think that would fit in better?

 

 

And finally, reigning champion Pete Aron in his Yamura RA300, introduced at Monza where it won first time out, and depicted here wearing the No.1 as Pete would carry at Watkins Glen. Obviously the car is the Honda, but canonically it must be a Yamura. The game won't let you paint over the Honda badge. Obviously a licencing stipulation, so we'll pretend its a stylised "Y" for Yamura.

 

 

So that's been my bit of fun for the evening. I look forward to racing them as the week progresses.

[john aston]

May I recommend Richard Williams and Matt Bishop's excellent podcast - And Colossally That 's History podcast on Grand Prix ? I heard it today and thoroughly enjoyed it - although I disagree with their praise of Brian Bedford (whom I thought was dire ). That part was made for Dirk Bogarde , and  I will brook no argument.  

[jonpollak]

Hey thanks John.

 

Here's the link to the Apple Podcast

 

Listening tonight after dinner.

 

Jp

[jonpollak]

I even did the washing up...

 

Well...... It was OK.

The moments I did like were the inside opinions of the drivers having to deal with a Hollywood film within their races. Also the information about the technical aspects of the filmmaking was good to hear.

 

In the beginning their obsession with saying who'd they prefer in each role and Bishop's dismissal of all the women in the film made my interest ebb. After I got over hearing the pronounciation, as if a triple barrel upper class hoi ploi, of the name "Bob Bon-Durrant" for the umpteenth time the programme seemed to get a little better.

 

There were some great observations about life imitating art. (which was always a talking point at my house back after the film was released.) Of cars mechanically launched into the Monaco harbour, then Bandini's death there the following year and Sarti's death when an American wins the championship recalling, von Trips and Phil Hil and later Mario winning with Ronnie's death hanging over everyone's head.

 

So, glad I soldiered through and didn't switch it off

Jp

 

 

 

[john aston]

Pedantry  alert - sorry. Hoi polloi doesn't mean upper class, but the reverse .

[Emery0323]

I even did the washing up...

 

Well...... It was OK.

The moments I did like were the inside opinions of the drivers having to deal with a Hollywood film within their races. Also the information about the technical aspects of the filmmaking was good to hear.

 

In the beginning their obsession with saying who'd they prefer in each role and Bishop's dismissal of all the women in the film made my interest ebb. After I got over hearing the pronounciation, as if a triple barrel upper class hoi ploi, of the name "Bob Bon-Durrant" for the umpteenth time the programme seemed to get a little better.

 

There were some great observations about life imitating art. (which was always a talking point at my house back after the film was released.) Of cars mechanically launched into the Monaco harbour, then Bandini's death there the following year and Sarti's death when an American wins the championship recalling, von Trips and Phil Hil and later Mario winning with Ronnie's death hanging over everyone's head.

 

So, glad I soldiered through and didn't switch it off

Jp

Thanks Jon, I will listen to it.    

Another "life imitating art" angle that I only became aware of recently is that the Pat Stoddert  character (Jessica Walter) was apparently loosely based on Louise King, who was an American actress and girlfriend / wife of Peter Collins.  The  F1 / Hollywood tie-in is apt.  Her obituary is below.

 

https://www.theguard...e-king-obituary

 

Pedantry  alert - sorry. Hoi polloi doesn't mean upper class, but the reverse .

Yes, just in case there's any confusion  https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Hoi_polloi

Edited by Emery0323, 29 October 2024 - 10:19.

[jonpollak]

No confusion any longer ..I even spelled it incorrectly !
Thank’s for the correction John.

I was just so unsettled by “Bob Bon-Durrant”

Now I feel like a real stooge…


Also, I do remember mentions of Louise King as the template for the character.



Jp

[jonpollak]

 

Jp

[MCS]

Wonderful.  I will have to watch my DVD this weekend now!!