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[Roger Clark]

The Maserati engined car appears to be the T80, intendedfor the flat-16 climax and fitted with a Maserati V12 for early engine testing.

Another photo showing the car with the early 1964 engine cover, and a V12 Maserati-engined car behind the scaffolding.

Paul M

 

[Sterzo]

What's the car at very top right, a Ferrari?

Might it be a Maserati Ghibli? Jonathan Sieff's Chipstead Motor Group was a Maserati dealer as well as owner of Cooper by then. 

[Henk Vasmel]

Might it be a Maserati Ghibli? Jonathan Sieff's Chipstead Motor Group was a Maserati dealer as well as owner of Cooper by then. 

The Ghibli started in 1967 and besides, had a full width rear window.

After enlarging that corner of the photo, I am almost convinced that it is a Ferrari 275 GTB, although some kind of Alfa Romeo is also possible, maybe?

When I enlarged the photo, I also noticed a DAF Daffodil, behind that Mini there. And this raises the question why it would be there? 

[Gerr]

Henk,  Alfa, very possible, looks to me to be an  Alfa Giulietta Sprint Speciale.

 

[jonpollak]

Footage of the 1966 Monaco GP

 

 

Jp

[Collombin]

Ah, that's the same film that was shown on The Footage Detectives a year or two ago that we (well, just me) discussed.

[john aston]

Might it be a Maserati Ghibli? Jonathan Sieff's Chipstead Motor Group was a Maserati dealer as well as owner of Cooper by then. 

 There are hints of 275GTB (definitely not a Ghibli) but something about the rear isn't quiet right to my blurry old eyes . The teardrop shape cabin is making me think Lamborghini 350GTV . 

[Michael Ferner]

Ah, that's the same film that was shown on The Footage Detectives a year or two ago that we (well, just me) discussed.

 

Footage Detectives? Sounds intriguing, do tell!

[Collombin]

Footage Detectives? Sounds intriguing, do tell!

It's mentioned in the thread called Talking Pictures TV, a nostalgic UK channel that shows rare and lesser known old films and TV shows.

One of their programmes is The Footage Detectives, presented by the channel's founder and an ex-radio DJ. People send old home movie reels in to the show, sometimes asking for identification re places and dates etc. It's not quite as interesting as you might think (or it would have a larger UK TNF audience than it seemingly does), but just occasionally there's a fascinating little clip or mystery to unravel.

[bradbury west]

 There are hints of 275GTB (definitely not a Ghibli) but something about the rear isn't quiet right to my blurry old eyes . The teardrop shape cabin is making me think Lamborghini 350GTV . 

 Coming to this a bit late in the process, but the car top right reminds me of the rear end of the Alfa Giulia SS model  which had a very squared off vertical rear panel, akin to the Elite, and the tapered rear screen , inwards tapering rear wing portions, and bumper/corner fittings suggest that too, to these weary old eyes. The rear view may be distorted if the front end of the car is jacked up for  work to be done.

Probably wrong…

Roger Lund

[Macca]

I can’t see this video, in the UK on my ipad, so I will just add this:



Paul M

Edited by Macca, 18 February 2024 - 19:19.

[B Squared]

Turner Classic Movies (TCM) will telecast Grand Prix at 8:00 p.m. US Eastern Time on Wednesday February 28th.

[E1pix]

Okay fine, that’s all I can take.

Grab your cable box and big screen, run wires 1,600 miles to the desert, and we’ll see you Wednesday.

We’ll supply a bottomless bag of popcorn. Leave now.

[Pullman99]

Now here's a thing...

 

Apologies if this info is already known but I visited the Practical Classics Restoration Show at the NEC on  Friday (the show finished today - Sunday) and was pleasantly surprised to find a car with direct connections to Grand Prix.   This Lotus 20 Formula Junior was on the RH Specialist Insurance stand with the display panel describing it as a Lotus "Eagle".   Originally part of the fleet run by the Jim Russell Racing Drivers School, several school cars were modified to resemble contemporary F1 cars as described elsewhere in this thread.  This one having a distinctly Eagle style nose.

 

The display panel accompanying the car describes the owner as a Mr Lane who discovered the car in its present state and purchased it about two years ago.   Is the history and circumstances of this car known to the Forum.   Didn't have time on Friday to search for a chassis number!

 

Just thought you should know...

 

 

 

 

Edited by Pullman99, 26 March 2024 - 12:28.

[2F-001]

It's looking both over-tired and over-tyred!

[LittleChris]

Is the hay to prove it a genuine barn find ?

[ensign14]

It's Neville.

[Michael Clark]

i recall it being advertised in Motoring News in 1975. I had thought the ad said it was a Lotus 22 but after nearly half a century, I'm prepared to accept I got that wrong...

[Pullman99]

Is the hay to prove it a genuine barn find ?

A bird nest too (left of the steering wheel).   The Restoration show had a whole section of barn find cars so this Lotus was in good (decrepit?) company.

 

The names from its latter career that appear on the sides are Brian Higgs  and Colin Joshua.   Any ideas?  Also, are there any stills of this "Eagle" from the film?    

[La Sarthe]

The 'blade' on the front suggests it was last used in speed events (sprints or hillclimbs).

[Macca]

So it would appear that Mlle Hardy had her posterior in that very seat.

Paul M

[Michael Ferner]

That explains the hay!

[Pullman99]

So it would appear that Mlle Hardy had her posterior in that very seat.

Paul M

Wow!   I looked at the Monza sequence yesterday and the "Eagle" is featured in that.  Next to Sarti at one point.   Apparently, the owner (Mr Lane) is keen to restore the car to film specification.   Again, not sure if he's been in touch with this Forum but it would make a great story to follow.

[Emery0323]

Wow!   I looked at the Monza sequence yesterday and the "Eagle" is featured in that.  Next to Sarti at one point.   Apparently, the owner (Mr Lane) is keen to restore the car to film specification.   Again, not sure if he's been in touch with this Forum but it would make a great story to follow.

 

I was looking at the Spa sequence on YouTube some time back, and it appears there was an ersatz #27 "Eagle" with the dual exhausts as seen in the picture with Francoise Hardy in post #1872, which is presumably the same car.  In addition, there were brief glimpses of the real #27 Eagle-Climax 4-cyl. driven by Dan Gurney in its maiden race (Spa'66) with the single exhaust seen on the real Climax-engine car.  I was surprised that they went to the trouble of building a film car replica that was so visually different from the real car, but such continuity problems are seen in most auto racing films.

 

Edit: the Spa clip below shows the fake #27 Eagle with dual exhausts at 1:02,  while John Surtees passes Dan Gurney in the real #27 Eagle-Climax (single exhaust) at 6:14.  

Perhaps the car shown at 1:02 is the same as the one above?

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=uuL_6f-STt4

Edited by Emery0323, 27 March 2024 - 05:11.

[Macca]

Also seen in the Brands Hatch sequence at about 2.02.05 as it overtakes Stoddard.

I think there was only 1 “Eagle”, so I presume this is it.

There are photos of the rear somewhere, so if the owner wants to recreate that, it should be possible. When the real Eagle-Climax first appeared at Spa it had a streamline gearbox cowl that wasn’t raced, so the film car copied that quite well.

Monaco:



https://www.motorspo...0&driver_id=939


Paul M