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[babbel]

I'll try to post some of my times soon

[Chrissy Boy]

I just wonder, how can you compare times here?
There are tons of different patches with different settings, should you write down wich patch you hvae used?

[markzed]

Does that mean that my GP3 (not 2000) times are not comparable?

Anyway, here's my two lap times so far - please note that I've only had two days experience and haven't fiddled with setups much.

Australia = 1m 36.163s
Brazil = 1m 21.781s

I'm ready for any hints that anyone wants to share

[daz]

Originally posted by markzed
Australia = 1m 36.163s
Brazil = 1m 21.781s

Australia, try to get around 1:27:xx with a keyboard, 1:26:xxx would be ideal. For Brazil, around 1:15:xxx

Looks like I will have to install GP3 again and buy the GP3 2000.

[Yelnats]

Originally posted by Chrissy Boy
I just wonder, how can you compare times here?
There are tons of different patches with different settings, should you write down wich patch you hvae used?

Good point Chrissy Boy. So many different setups and track packs are available that even casual comparisons of times set with GP3 has become meaningless except for those who compete in leagues that can verify the physics and tracks sets involved. I know of skilled competators who are unaware of the effects of loading different car physics/carsets involve, thinking these changes are confined to Horse Power when such fundamental things like car weight and grip levels may also be modified. I suggested a means to overcome this limitation which involved using a team-mate as the medium of comparison. See the following thread.


Comparing times with Different Car Setups.

[markzed]

I'm using a Sidewinder Joystick and I'm only running with best line, so there may be places where I can use higher gears.

[daz]

babbel; would you like to clarify what everyone should be using in regard's to patches and stuff.

[daz]

Originally posted by markzed
I'm using a Sidewinder Joystick and I'm only running with best line, so there may be places where I can use higher gears.

It's much easier to use the keyboard, faster aswell. I have a sidewinder, it's to hard ... maybe I'm not used to it because I have always used the keyboard.

[babbel]

Originally posted by daz
babbel; would you like to clarify what everyone should be using in regard's to patches and stuff.

I was asked to make a sticky thread for GP3 times, the rest is up to you all

[Viktor]

The easy thing to do is to not use any patch or anything like that, only use the original Gp3 v1.13 or Gp3 2000 with the original tracks and try to go as fast as you can You can always have 2 installations of Gp3 on your computer, one with patches and one clean. Just install Gp3 and copy the Gp3 directory to another location and you have 2 installation.

/Viktor

[daz]

I think it's actually good like that Viktor. Put it on ACE and then go and do the lap times with no mod's to the setup. See who is truely the fastest.

Or, everyone uses the same setup ...

I'll install it soon.

[daz]

I've just ordered the game, I will get it on Tuesday ... I will post some times then.

[markzed]

I got it down to 1m 33.998s at Melbourne. Still playing with setup and already suffering a sore joystick wrist.

[daz]

Originally posted by markzed
I got it down to 1m 33.998s at Melbourne. Still playing with setup and already suffering a sore joystick wrist.

Use the keyboard !!!! Watch your time's improve.

[Jhope]

Might I suggest a fresh install of the game in another folder. Only using the original carsets and tracks. This way, the times will not be corrupted by patches and custom physics.

Just my 0.02$


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[Daniel Lester]

Using GpxPatch with Ralph H complete 2001 carset and no other modifcations (Gp3 2000).

Aus 1:30.7xx
Jap 1:35.5xx

Don't play much but have had experience with Gp2 and Gp1.

Use Hofx to get set ups from some of the hot lap comps that use Gp3 1.13 in order to get you on the right track and then develop things like personnel set ups and driving styles from there. However some driving styles are more effective than others.

[markzed]

I just can't bring myself to use the keyboard. It reminds me too much of work!

Down to 1m 32.263s after figuring out that 3rd gear works better than 2nd gear in turns 1, 4, 6 and 13.

[Gemini]

Originally posted by daz


It's much easier to use the keyboard, faster aswell. I have a sidewinder, it's to hard ... maybe I'm not used to it because I have always used the keyboard.

Of course it's easier to use the keaboard, as then the game sets on some helps, steering helps for example, by what's the point to use helps, it's always go slower with full difficulty mode than fast with helps

in general: only wheel, or other device with analog output, never digital one

[daz]

Originally posted by Gemini


Of course it's easier to use the keaboard, as then the game sets on some helps, steering helps for example, by what's the point to use helps, it's always go slower with full difficulty mode than fast with helps

in general: only wheel, or other device with analog output, never digital one

Yeh I know - I wish I could turn of the steering help with the keyboard. I don't have a wheel only a Sidewinder Joypad and I don't like using it for GP3, I'm to used to the keyboard.

[confucius]

My times (with Ralph Hummerich's 2001 patch - carsets, cockpits, pitcrews etc)

Austria: 1'10'580 Hakkinen

Brazil: 1'14'806 Barrichello

USA: 1'14'262 Montoya

Canada: 1'17'814 Villeneuve (I have used a different track to the original)

Spain (I suck at this track) : 1'21'806 de la Rosa

Monza: 1'22'791 Fisichella

Imola: 1'24'906 Trulli

Spa: 1'49'408 Hakkinen

I use a Logitech FForce wheel

[markzed]

Tweak, tweak

1m 31.749s at Melbourne

Tweak, tweak

[daz]

I ordered the game on Sunday - still hasn't arrived yet.

[confucius]

Sepang - 1'39'343 so slow!!!

I can't seem to get a good lap here. There's a slow, uphill corner (not sure of the number) after the double apex right-hander, where I ALWAYS lose the rear-end. Anyone have the same difficulty?

[jimm]

I don't have the patch because they don't sell it in the US so here are the times I rember (I am not at home where the game is) the way the game came from the factory. ( I use the williams)

Aussie: 1:29.4
Brazil: 1:16.5 (this is my worst track for consistant times)
Argentina: 1:24.XX
Barcalona: 1.21.00
Imola 1.22.9
Monoco: 1.18.XX
Canada 1.16.5
Silverstone: 1:22.9
Spa: 1:46.00
Monza: 1.23.00
Austria: 1.10.3
Lux: 1:16.5

I don't remeber the times at the other tracks off the top of my head.

[confucius]

Watch patch are u referring to? The actual GP32000 Add-on or the Ralph Hummerich game patch? Cos u don't buy Ralph's patch, u just download it.

[jimm]

I understood that there was a patch sold by microprose that updated the game to the 2000 cars and tracks.

it was different to the one you could download.

In any event, I have neither. I really don't like to use the ones that let you change horsepower and grip anyway. To many ways to cheat. I downloaded the patch for gp2 when it was popular and it changed the performance of the car making comparisons to others on the web meaningless. Even the patch from microprose changes the performance. One guy here neted a 1 sec gain at a track with the same setup but adding the patch.

[maclaren]

My best hotlaps now downloadable for GP3 2000 (driven with FF wheel)
1:28.624 Melbourne
1:14.998 Nürburgring
1:21.616 Monza

BTW, someone wrote something about we should use original setups. I think it is vital part of the game to build own setup which suits your drivingstyle best.

[markzed]

Yep, you can't sit on original setups.
I started reading the advanced section, played with the setup and am now down to 1m 31s at Melbourne. I've got a ways to go yet.

Hey Daz, two places in Livvy that have the GP3 2000 at $39.95, Electronics Boutique in Westfields and C&J computer games outside of Westfields. I'd like to pay less of course. Maybe offer them
$30.

[daz]

MZ, I ordered it of d-store but then I found out they didn't have it. I will goto J and C Computer Games on the weekend and get it.

1min 31sec ... still a fair bit to go ;)

[markzed]

Hoo Har!

Down to 1m 30.057s at Melbourne.

Watch out, I'm on Fire! (or is that the curry I ate last night?)

[jimm]

Originally posted by maclaren
My best hotlaps now downloadable for GP3 2000(original tracks and physics, FF wheel)
1:28.624 Melbourne
1:14.998 Nürburgring
1:21.616 Monza

BTW, someone wrote something about we should use original setups. I think it is vital part of the game to build own setup which suits your drivingstyle best.

This is with the new microprose patch that updates to 2000 cars?

[maclaren]

Yep. With the official add-on. I have though put in new 2001 liveries, shapes, team&driver performances. Those doesn't affect player's car performance as long as player's engine power is fixed. But if you aren't expert in GP3editing, it is enought to know my laptimes aren't manipulated

[jimm]

Originally posted by maclaren
Yep. With the official add-on. I have though put in new 2001 liveries, shapes, team&driver performances. Those doesn't affect player's car performance as long as player's engine power is fixed. But if you aren't expert in GP3editing, it is enought to know my laptimes aren't manipulated

I have a friend that used the offical add on and gained time with the same setups because the curbs and runoffs were different at some of the tracks. So it may still not be apples to apples. This does not take away from your times that are very good, just allowing for the difference. I would like to get the add on myself but they don't sell it in the southeast US.

[confucius]

I'm confused...isn't this thread about GP3 2000? And isn't it based on the 2000 season already?? So what's this other official Micropose patch u guys refer to?

[jimm]

Originally, GP3 was based on the 1998 season. They released an upgrade (apparently only in Europe) that upgraded the cars and tracks from 2000.

[Yelnats]

Melbourne, 1:29.509 seems about the best I can do, Damn! I was hoping to challenge the World Record of 1:26.243 posted by Christian Neumann on http://www.Hof3.sim-racing.net.

Note that he uses a wheel and is about a half a second faster than the keyboard record set with similar track/software. His setup is weird but they work as I managed to improve my times about a second a lap by adapting some of his features to my style.

If any of you are interested I have found that I can extract a setup from a Hotlap by using the utilities feature of GP3 to generate a performance graph and then immediatly going into a practice session. The car will then have all the setups, graphics and team name of the hotlap car. Has anyone else use this feature?

[maclaren]

Yep, I have used it. It is good way to learn setups, though mine are quite different. Too bad there are not those tools for GP3 2000 yet, but soon there should be

[daz]

Hopefully I will have the game today and I can post some times over the weekend.

[markzed]

Daz,
Did you buy the game from Electronics Boutique, cause it's not there anymore.
I hope it was you, otherwise one of us is gonna miss out on the J&C one.

I know that I will break the 1m 30s mark at Melbourne, I think my setup is good for 1m29.5s but I just haven't been able to put a good hot lap together yet.

[daz]

Originally posted by markzed
Daz,
Did you buy the game from Electronics Boutique, cause it's not there anymore.
I hope it was you, otherwise one of us is gonna miss out on the J&C one.

Nah - I ordered it from Gameswizards. I will have it on Monday since they have taken so long, I should of had it during the week.

[daz]

Finally got the game today - I'll post some Melbourne times soon.

[markzed]

Does anyone else do this?

You start a race weekend, the qualifying is dry, you get pole, but on race day it's POURING.
You start the race with good intentions but after about the third spin-off, you start plotting revenge on the leaders next time they come past you cause you know you can't win.

You don't score any points, but it makes for a fun race.

[daz]

Originally posted by markzed
Does anyone else do this?

You start a race weekend, the qualifying is dry, you get pole, but on race day it's POURING.
You start the race with good intentions but after about the third spin-off, you start plotting revenge on the leaders next time they come past you cause you know you can't win.

You don't score any points, but it makes for a fun race.

That's a joke - its ok racing in the rain though. I hate it how it rains half way through the race though, need to decide if you need to pit for tyres or not. If you stay out, so hard to stay on the track.

[markzed]

I must admit, I've been avoiding the effort of improving my wet setup so far, so it might be easier in the wet than I think.

[daz]

I've been avoiding installing the game - I was going to do it last weekend, but you know. Hopefully this week sometime.

[Gemini]

1.29.212 in Melbourne

1.10.008 in A1-Ring

GP3-2000

FF wheel

[daz]

Should be about 1:26:xxx with a wheel ...

[Gemini]

Originally posted by daz
Should be about 1:26:xxx with a wheel ...

good luck

[markzed]

So far:

Oz - 1m 30.057s (still struggling to put the perfect lap together)
Brazil - 1m 18:167s (3/4 of my setup tweaking done)
Argentina - 1m 28.498s (after 5 laps)

Plenty to go. Watch this space.

P.S. I got a 1m 45.050s at Brazil, reverse direction while other cars were trying to qualify. Now THAT'S hairy!

[Gemini]

Originally posted by markzed
So far:

Oz - 1m 30.057s (still struggling to put the perfect lap together)
Brazil - 1m 18:167s (most of my setup tweaking done).

Plenty to go. Watch this space.

You are quite good in Melbourne, what's your pace in the race?

You have some work to do over Brasil, I believe my time there is low 1,16,xxx. I will check tonight. What's your setup made for in Brasil. Straights or infield?