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#1 Udo K.

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Posted 25 February 2002 - 20:57

Darren thread on the Trieste-Opicina hillclimb made me posting this topic.

The Italian championships for sports cars started with the 1937 Mille Miglia. Next rounds were
Parma-Poggio di Berceto (hillclimb), Coppa Ascoli, Susa-Moncenisio (hillclimb) and the
Targa Abruzzo. Champions were Franco Spotorno (750cc), Lotario Rangoni (1100cc), Ovidio Capelli (1500cc) and Franco Cortese (over 1500cc).

I'm looking for complete results of these races (except Mille Miglia), as I only know the class winners. Same for the following year (1938), when the championship consisted of:
Mille Miglia, Salita dei Colli Torinesi (24th Apr. hillclimb); Parma-Poggio di Berceto (29th May),
Coppa Ascoli (19th June), Trofeo Val d'Intelvi (July 3rd- hillclimb); Pontedecimo-Govi (July 10th- hillclimb), Targa Abruzzo (Aug.15th) and Corsa dello Stelvio (Aug. 21st - hillclimb).

Informations on drivers like Spotorno, Giulio Baravelli, Franco Bertani, Lotario Rangoni or Lamberto Grolla are very much appreciated as well.

Thanks for help

Udo

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#2 Don Capps

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Posted 25 February 2002 - 21:09

Udo, unfortunately I problably have only about what you seem to have on these events, if that! I did try to track down more on the city-to-city events several years after stumbling on one of the few books in English I have ever seen on this corner of the sport. I made little progress and have not had the time to kick over that many more rocks....

#3 alessandro silva

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Posted 25 February 2002 - 21:19

Udo, I have some of the information you need but it will be a long job. If you send me youe e-mail address I'll be able to answer you by installments. Something of more general interest I'll try to post here also by installments.

#4 Don Capps

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Posted 25 February 2002 - 21:39

Alessandro to the rescue -- as usual! :up: Thanks! I am looking forward to this.

#5 Marcor

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 00:46

I suppose you know that Bertani won the 1100 cc race of the 1946 Belgium GP at Bruxelles.

Some results of 1937 and 1938, not a lot...

Targa Abruzzo (Pescara), 14 August 1937, 6 Hours
1 (1st + 1500 cc)- Franco Cortese (Alfa Romeo 2300 B Pescara Berlinette)
2 (2nd + 1500 cc)- Calvi del Pero (Alfa Romeo 2300 A)
3 (1st 1500 cc)- Ovideo Capelli (Fiat 1500)
4 (3rd + 1500)- Renato Balestrero (Alfa Romeo 2300 A)

1100 cc- 1500 cc
1- Ovideo Capelli (Fiat)
2- Minno (Fiat)
3- Vito Mussolini (Fiat), nephew of ...
4- Canti (Fiat)
5- Ramella (Lancia)
6- Vittorio Mussolini (Fiat), son of ...

1st 1100- Rangoni


Coppa Ascoli (Circuito delle Zappelle), 19 June 1938
1- Grotti (Fiat 1100 S)
2- Cortese (Alfa Romeo 2300)
3- Fumagalli (Fiat 1100 S)


Targa Abruzzo (Pescara), 15 August 38, 6 Hours
1- Franco Cortese / P. Ghersi (Alfa Romeo 2300B MM) 111.515 km/h
2- Cantoni / Agosti (Lancia)
3- Bertani / Taddei (Fiat 1100)

Stelvio, 21 August 1938
1- Dusio Alfa Romeo, 14' 55" 24

1938 Italian Champions
Overall- Nino Farina, 12 points
1500 cc Racing cars- Gigi Villoresi, 12 points
Sportscars- Cortese, 26 points

#6 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 15:27

By memory, I can tell that the 1938 Salita dei Colli Torinesi was won by Tadini on a Alfa Romeo 8C2900B Spider Mille Miglia, still wearing its MM race number #142.:clap:

One of the most beautiful cars ever.:love:

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Those pics are actually from the 1938 MM, but I lack an URL to upload the actual pics of the Colli Torinesi race.

#7 Udo K.

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 15:37

Thanks Alessandro, I'm looking forward to receive the results you have.

I do have all class winners of the Campionato, the races that counted to the championship, the dates of these races and the Italian champs.
From an Italian friend I got information on the point system, which was quite complicated. If anyone is interested I can post it here (from 1947 onwards).

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 16:18

Patrick,

most Alfas from that time are beautiful but this 8C 2900 B is my favorite, too... :up: Although most other examples of that model are close. Does anyone know about a register in Internet with all chassis numbers and possibly pictures of all 8C 2900 B produced? I would really like to see something like that...

#9 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 17:35

DMJ,

As far as I know, there's no such site, but I may know that Simon Moore wrote 15 years ago the definitive book on that model "The Immortal 2.9". Every car, by chassis number, has its own chapter. Unfortunately, the book is long out of print, and used copies, when you find one for sale, can go up to crazy prices (in the $500 range). :eek:

It would be too easy to build a site from that book, but it would also be more than unfair to Simon. There are less than 30 cars all together.

Of course, 15 years after, his work is outdated, some cars still unknown came back to the surface of the earth (litterally: one wreck has been towed out of the earth piece where it had been buried after a disastrous barn fire in the 70s), some infos which were the then current state of knowledge have since been proved wrong, and many of those cars have changed hands. The man who best knows it is still Simon. No one can dream to challenge his knowledge about 2.9s, and he owns one of the most desirable example. :love: :love:

Simon has the project to edit an updated version, but this could take many years :rolleyes:



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Check:
http://www.ifrance.c...00b/8c2900b.htm
and

http://www.fantastic.../mm03/0503b.htm

N.B.: This is becoming off topic; we should maybe open a new thread if needed

#10 dmj

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Posted 26 February 2002 - 18:05

Patrick,

thank you for fantastic links - we indeed had gone OT, but we can stop here, I hope...;)
I'm aware of Moore's book, but sadly I'm also aware of its price. :cry:
One day, who knows...

#11 David McKinney

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 07:11

Udo
Authorities in Italy in the mid 1930s were among those concerned that sportscars were getting away from their production roots and closer to out-and-out racing machinery: Monza Alfa Romeos fitted with lights and mudguards were one thing, as were widened Maserati vetturetti, but a two-seater P3 was surely the last straw.
For 1937 therefore they introduced a new category for cars you could buy from your local dealer (if you could afford them). Iniially called National Touring and in 1938 National Sports, it was this series your championship refers to. Some of the qualifying rounds were also open to what would later be called sports-racing cars - Alfa 2900As and Bs, 4CS Maseratis etc - though whether there was a Sportscar Championship in 1937 and 1938, in addition to the National Touring/Sports series, is not clear.

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 07:50

Very interesting topic guys :up:

From an Italian friend I got information on the point system, which was quite complicated. If anyone is interested I can post it here (from 1947 onwards).

I would be VERY interested to see those Udo :)

#13 alessandro silva

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 09:47

Udo,
what David says - besides being 100% correct - is essential to understand the matter of Italian sports car racing between 37 and 65, which is a very complicated one but so fascinating.
After the 35 MM, with the interruption of 36 because of the Ethyopian war, a new category of cars was introduced, called Turismo Nazionale . Regulations, outside the Annexe C of the International Code, were drawn by Lurani and Filippini. For 1937 a Championship (the one you mention) was instituted. The cars had to maintain the original chassis and engine layout "as specified in catalogues of the factories". The Sporting Commission of the Italian Autoclub (CSAI) made a list of "production" chassis that were eligible, ruling out to any effect supercharged cars. Engines could be freely tuned, rebored etc. and bodyworks had to respect the measurements imposed by Annexe C. CSAI was shut down by the Fascist government at the end of 1937 and a new governing body (called FASI) changed name and regulations (much looser ones) of the category for 1938. It was called "Sport Nazionale". The Championship was held in 38 and 39 for that category - the beautiful Alfas posted by Patrick were Sport Annexe C and as such not eligible for the Championship . In 47 we had two championships: for Sport Internazionale (Annexe C) and Nazionale. Sport Nazionale was abolished in 1948 and the Championship held for Annexe C cars until 1965. The terminology Nazionale was to be resurrected in different forms as Turismo Nazionale and Gran Turismo Nazionale in the early 50s (but that outside the Championships you are interested in). Since in this sunny country everybody wants to be a champion, we arrived for the 55 Mille Miglia to about 50 different classifications!
Another essential thing to understand this matter is the following.
Row lists of results will show you that every single car in the 750cc and 1100cc class was a Fiat. This means really very little and do not give any grasp of how huge was the phenomenon. In truth every single car was unique and to understand things properly one has to know the following:
Chassis, engine, tuner, body, assembler. Tuner and body makers are essential, some of them such as Stanguellini and Touring have become universally known.
Example, 1938 winning cars:
750 (Baravelli)
chassis Topolino A/engine Topolino A with SIATA head/tuner Stanguellini/ body Torricelli/assembler ?
1939
1100 (Bertani)
chassis Fiat 1100/engine Fiat 1100/tuner Stanguellini/body Torricelli/assembler probably Stanguellini
1500 (Capelli)
chassis Fiat 1500/engine Fiat 1500/tuner probably Facetti/body Zagato/assembler Zagato
1939
1100 (Comirato)
Chassis Fiat Balilla/engine Fiat 1100/ tuner Comirato&Zanussi/body homemade/assembler Comirato
1500 (Bellucci)
chassis Lancia Aprilia/engine Lancia Aprilia/tuner Paganelli/body Touring/assembler probably Paganelli

The problem is that there were litterarly hundreds of such cars. That is why you are asking for a very long job.

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 12:26

That's brilliant Alessandro!
I always hate referring to these cars - and especially the immediate postwar ones - as Fiats, as I know they were all sorts of other things. As you say, to understand the smaller classes we really need to know about all of them the sort of information you have supplied above.
I would love to ask for a long list, but will satisfy myself for the time being with a question about Sportono's car. I believe it was entered by Scuderia Ambrosiana - do you have for this car the same sort of details as those supplied for the others?

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 14:17

Originally posted by Udo K.
I do have all class winners of the Campionato, the races that counted to the championship, the dates of these races and the Italian champs.
From an Italian friend I got information on the point system, which was quite complicated. If anyone is interested I can post it here (from 1947 onwards).


Udo, please, send it here. Italian Championship for sportscars is one of most complicated subjects in sports car racing and I have never cared about it deeper but it is in my future plans.

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 14:43

Yes David, the variety of these cars in the 40s is bewildering. For Spotorno:
1937 see below
1938 Fiat 500A SIATA head, tuner: Ghiringhelli, Zagato "tank" body. No cycle wings allowed in pre-war Nazionale. I have nothing for later years.

Udo,
here is what I have handy for 1937. To-morrow 1938. Saturday information on Grolla, Baravelli, Rangoni and maybe Spotorno.

1937 16/5 Parma-Poggio di Berceto
distance 50.500 km. 85 starters, 62 classified.
Categories: Racing cars, Turismo Nazionale

Overall
1. Mario Tadini Alfa-Romeo 12C-37 25'52" or 25'51", kmh. 117,400
2. Eugenio Siena, Alfa Romeo 8C 26'27"4
3. "Ventidue" (Wild) Alfa Romeo Monza 28'11"
(all racing cars)

Turismo Nazionale
1. Giuseppe Salvi del Pero, Alfa Romeo 2300A (body unknown)
2. Carlo Pes di Villamarina, Alfa Romeo 2300A (body unknown)
3. Ovidio Capelli Fiat 1500 (Facetti?) Zagato (see previous post. Different Zagato bodies for 37 and 38)

750 class
1. Franco Spotorno Fiat 500A Ghiringhelli (body: original, slightly modified in the front wings)

1100 class
1. Alberto Comirato Fiat 508C Comirato (body: original)

1500 cc 1. Capelli, over 1500cc 1. Salvi del Pero, 2. Pes di Villamarina

Tadini's speed has never been bettered. The Parma-Poggio di Berceto could be considered as a short road race perhaps. The following description might indicate so.
Start at approx. 50m on the s.l., finish at approx. 950m on the s.l.
From Molinetto (in the outskirts of Parma) to an isolated spot near one of the distinctive red houses of National Roads keepers (Casa Cantoniera) where the road starts going downhill to the village of Berceto (4 kms away) hence Poggio that means "natural balcony", on the Parma-La Spezia road (National Road SS 62).
The race had a unique 22 kms long flat extremely fast first section from Parma to the village of Fornovo (146m on the s.l.) where the road leaves the Taro river valley to the village of Piantonia (26 km, 280m on the s.l.) where an abrupt series of hairpins called "Scale" (Stairs) starts to reach in few kms. the altitude of 700m at approx km 33. Then rather fast to the village of Cassio (km 40, alt. 815m on the s.l.) and to the finish near Casa Cantoniera di Sotto (957 m on the s.l.).
The road then goes down to Berceto and up to the Appennini divide at the Passo della Cisa (1035m alt.) nine kms from Berceto. Today there is an Autostrada Parma-La Spezia. Because of the 1957 MM accident the race was cancelled for good because of the fast Parma-Fornovo section. When resumed in the 60s it was run on the Fornovo-Cassio section, sometimes under the Parma-Poggio di Berceto name. The 1949 MM passed on this road.
(my reconstruction)


1937, 6/6 Coppa Ascoli, circuit (Circuito delle Zappelle)
lap 6.8 kms, distance: 30 minutes, 25 starters, 24 classified
Categories: Sports cars (Annexe C), Turismo Nazionale

Overall
1. Armando Tullini, Alfa Romeo ? distance 53.199 km.
2. Guido Barbieri, Bugatti T35 chassis/Maserati 4CM 1500 engine
3. Giosué Calamai, Alfa Romeo 2600?

Turismo Nazionale
750cc 1. Spotorno
1100 cc. 1. Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli Fiat Balilla Coppa d'Oro Stanguellini (body: original)
1500cc. 1. Ruggero Minio Fiat 1500 (tuner: Giovanni Bottega, body: unknown)
over 1500cc. 1. Lamberto Grolla Alfa Romeo 2300B (body unknown)

Description of the circuit available from Carli: Settant'anni di corse automobilistiche in Italia, Rome 1967.

1937, 18/7, Susa-Moncenisio
km. 22,100, 52 classified
categories: Sports cars, Turismo Nazionale

Overall
1. Mario Tadini Alfa Romeo 8C 2900, 15'05"00 kmh. 87,911
2. Piero Dusio Alfa Romeo 8C 2900, 15'32"43/100
3. Clemente Biondetti, Alfa Romeo 8C 2900, 15'34"59

To the hundreths of a second!

Turismo Nazionale
750cc 1. Spotorno, 1100cc 1. Rangoni Machiavelli, 1500cc 1. Capelli, over 1500cc 1. Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo 2300B (body, Zagato spider NO Berlinetta Pescara)

From the Village of Susa (30 kms W /NW of Turin) to the Moncenisio pass (Mont-Cénis) at the Franco-Italian border on the road from Turin to Chambéry (national road SS 24 in Italy and RN 6 in France). From Susa the road leaves the Susa Valley in the northern direction. It is always very steep and climbs from the 500 a.s.l. of Susa to the 2100 m. a.s.l. of the Hospice on the Moncenisio lake a few kms. before the pass. The finish was located at La Gran Croce, 9 kms before the pass from Susa, after the last series of hairpins.
(my reconstruction)

1937, 13/8
Targa Abruzzi
6 hrs. on the 25.8kms Pescara circuit (without chicanes)
Categories: Turismo Nazionale

1. Franco Cortese Alfa Romeo 2300B (body Zagato) 653.325 km, 108.887 kmh.
2. Giuseppe Salvi de Pero Alfa Romeo 2300A (body unknown) 626,221
3. Ovidio Capelli Fiat 1500 as above 611,389 km

750cc 1. Spotorno 1100cc 1. Rangoni Machiavelli 1500cc 1. Capelli, 2. Minio (as above) 3. Vito Mussolini Fiat 1500 (tuner unkonwn for Scuderia Parioli) body Viotti 4. Renzo Cantoni unknown car 5. Guido Ramella Lancia Aprilia (tuner unknown) body homemade: original made into two doors by sloping the back. First car raced by Giovanni Bracco the same year. 6. Vittorio Mussolini, identical as Vito but with lighter Viotti body.

#17 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 27 February 2002 - 17:06

Originally posted by alessandro silva

Overall
1. Mario Tadini Alfa-Romeo 12C-37 25'52" or 25'51", kmh. 117,400
2. Eugenio Siena, Alfa Romeo 8C 26'27"4
3. "Ventidue" (Wild) Alfa Romeo Monza 28'11"
(all racing cars)


Congratulations for your precise data Alessandro, but I have to correct this point:

Mario Tadini can't have raced a 12C-37 at the 1937 Parma-Poggio. Not only the 12C-37 GP car was first tested on the Milan Autostrada as late as August 3rd, 1937, but it also was never entered in races other than GPs. The car was also uncompetitive and eventually its flaws were never sorted out during the 1937 season.

Tadini:

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12C-37:
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12C-36:
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Without any documents at hand, I would guess it was indeed a 12C36 if it was actually entered in the GP class, or, less probable, a Botticella 8C2900A if in the Sports cars class.


Botticella 8C2900A:
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Posted 28 February 2002 - 13:17

Patrick, you are certainly right. I have in my notes Tadini 12C GP Alfa. I typed 37 without thinking. So it is Tadini Alfa Romeo 12C-36.

Now to 1938. SIATA heads with oh valves were allowed for Topolino engines since SIATA was registered as a "car manufacturer".

1938, 24/4 Coppa dei Colli Torinesi,
9,1 kms.
53 class.
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale

Overall:
1. Mario Tadini Alfa Romeo 2900 (body Tipo MM as posted by Patrick)
2. Guido Barbieri, Maserati?
3. Giuseppe Salvi dal Pero Alfa Romeo 2300A (no longer in Sport Nazionale. I do not know why)

Sport Nazionale
750cc 1. Emilio Darbesio (car unknown as the driver to me)
1100cc 1. Mario Braida Fiat 508C Comirato body homemade
1500cc 1. Giovanni Bracco Fiat 1500 (tuner body unknown to me)
over 1500 1. Franco Cortese Alfa Romeo 2300B new body Touring

The race consisted in un uphill a down hill and another uphill sections.

1938, 29.5 Parma Poggio di Berceto,
50.5 kms
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale

Overall
1. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900
2. Clemente Biondetti, Alfa Romeo 2900
3. Guido Barbieri, Maserati?

Sport Nazionale
750cc 1. Franco Spotorno Fiat 500 SIATA Ghiringhelli Zagato
1100cc 1. Giuseppe Gilera Fiat 1100 body Zagato tuner unknown
1500cc Oviio Capelli same car as 37 with a sleeker Zagato body
over 1500cc 1. Cortese

1938 19.6 Coppa AScoli
Circuito delle Zappelle 12 laps, 81.6 km.
Starters 30, Class. 14
Categories: Sport Nazionale

Overall
1. Enzo Crotti Fiat 1100 Stanguellini Touring 52'44" 92.844 kmh
2. Franco Cortese 52'52"6
3. Malachia Fumagalli 53'21"4 Fiat 1100 tuner and body unknown

750cc 1. Sesto Leonardi Fiat 500A SIATA (tuner & body unknown)
1100 cc. 1. Crotti, 2. Fumagalli
1500cc 1. Capelli
o. 1500cc 1. Cortese

1938, 3.7
Trofeo Val d'Intelvi (uphill: start Argegno- finish Lanzo d'Intelvi, 15.5 km; near Como)
24 class.
Categories: Sport Nazionale, Touring cars

Overall
1 Cortese 12'02"2 75,767 kmh
2. Capelli 12'08"6
3. Rodolfo Haller Alfa Romeo 2300B 12'14"6

750cc 1. Spotorno,
1100cc
1. Alfonso Catanese (Fiat 1100, tuner body unknown to me)
1500cc
1. Capelli over 1500 1. Cortese, 2. Haller


1938, 10.7
Pontedecimo-Giovi km. 9.650
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale
Starters 57 class. 43

Overall
1. Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 2900(the Tipo MM s/c posted by Patrick) 6'32"4 90,610 kmh
2. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 (idem) 6'33"6
3. Piero Dusio, Alfa Romeo 2900 (Botticella) 6'46"

Sport Nazionale
750cc 1. Giulio Baravelli Fiat 500A SIATA Stanguellini Torricelli
1100cc 1. Franco Bertani Fiat 1100 Stanguellini Torricelli
1500cc 1. Lamberto Grolla Fiat 1500 (same car as Bracco's in Torino)
over 1500, 1. Cortese

Start at approx 50m on the s.l. finish at 472m on the s.l.
From Pontedecimo, a northern suburb of Genoa, to the N to Passo dei Giovi, on the Apennini divide. Run on the "old" (now there is an Autostrada) Genoa-Milan road (National Road SS 35 "dei Giovi").
Always northbound the race starts with three fast kms interrupted by four very difficult curves between the pilons of two railway viaducts until the village of Mignanego where the real uphill starts with two narrow hairpins, two difficult right curves in and out of a narrow bridge and a series of wider hairpins.
Run from the 60s on the Mignanego-Giovi section (my reconstruction)

1938, 15.8
Targa Abruzzi
6 hrs. on the full Pescara Circuit (25.8 per lap)
25 class.
Cat. Sport Nazionale

Overall:
1. Cortese - Pietro Ghersi, Alfa Romeo 2300B Touring 669.093 kms 111.515 kmh.
2. Renzo Cantoni - Luciano Agosti, Lancia Aprilia tuner Pagani body Viotti Berlinetta 647.840 kms
3. Franco Bertani - D. Taddei (Bertani's car) 630.518 kms

750cc 1. Baravelli-Sola (Baravelli's car)
1100cc 1. Bertani-Taddei
1500cc 1. Cantoni-Agosti, 2. Eugenio Minetti-Gigi Villoresi, Lancia Aprilia Pagani body Zagato tank
over 1500 1. Cortese-Ghersi

1938, 21.8
Corsa dello Stelvio
distance 14km. start at 1543 m on the s.l. finish at 2758m on the s.l.
Starters 40 class. 33
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale

Overall
1. Piero Dusio Alfa Romeo 2900 Botticella 14'55"24 56.299 kmh
2. Carlo Pintacuda, Alfa Romeo 2900 body Tipo MM 14'58"40
3. Francesco SEveri Alfa Romeo 2900 body Tipo MM 15'00"53

Sport Nazionale
750cc 1. Spotorno 1100cc 1. Gilera
1500cc 1. Soave Besana Lancia Aprilia Pagani body unknown
over 1500cc 1. Renato Balestrero Alfa Romeo 2300A body unknown

From Trafoi on the Sud-Tyroler side of the pass to Passo dello Stelvio (Stilfser Joch) . On the road (National road SS 38) joining Bolzano (Bozen) with Sondrio in the Lombardia region through the valleys of Val Venosta (Vischgau)(W), Val Trafoi (Trafoier Tal) (SW), the Pass, then Val di Braulio (SW) and Valtellina (S, SW then W) on the Italian speaking side . Trafoi is 13km uphill from Spondigna (Spondinig) where the road leaves the Vischgau to take on the Trafoier Tal. From Trafoi the road climbs to the Pass with 45 (!) hairpins.

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Posted 28 February 2002 - 14:48

This is just why we have this place. I am really looking forward to finding out more about this series.

Another essential thing to understand this matter is the following.
Row lists of results will show you that every single car in the 750cc and 1100cc class was a Fiat. This means really very little and do not give any grasp of how huge was the phenomenon. In truth every single car was unique and to understand things properly one has to know the following:
Chassis, engine, tuner, body, assembler. Tuner and body makers are essential, some of them such as Stanguellini and Touring have become universally known.
Example, 1938 winning cars:
750 (Baravelli)
chassis Topolino A/engine Topolino A with SIATA head/tuner Stanguellini/ body Torricelli/assembler ?
1939
1100 (Bertani)
chassis Fiat 1100/engine Fiat 1100/tuner Stanguellini/body Torricelli/assembler probably Stanguellini
1500 (Capelli)
chassis Fiat 1500/engine Fiat 1500/tuner probably Facetti/body Zagato/assembler Zagato
1939
1100 (Comirato)
Chassis Fiat Balilla/engine Fiat 1100/ tuner Comirato&Zanussi/body homemade/assembler Comirato
1500 (Bellucci)
chassis Lancia Aprilia/engine Lancia Aprilia/tuner Paganelli/body Touring/assembler probably Paganelli


Now, this is truly the sort of thing that puts the word "challenge" in perspective....

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Posted 28 February 2002 - 15:02

Originally posted by alessandro silva
SIATA heads with oh valves were allowed for Topolino engines since SIATA was registered as a "car manufacturer".

This gets even more confusing than I thought it was. If Siata was registered as a 'car manufacturer', the cars should perhaps be listed (retrospectively) as Siatas. On the other hand, as Topolinos with special heads they would still have been, by most people's definitions, Fiats. And AFAIK they were indeed listed as Fiats at the time.
I have no problem with that - but I suspect it starts getting confusing when engine-tuners such as Stanguellini and Siata became manufacturers (of Fiat-based cars). Which were Fiats, which Siatas, which Stanguellinis? I suspect you had to be there.

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Posted 28 February 2002 - 17:04

Yes David, I have been there. I'll try to make myself as clear as I can. The matter has to be considered on a year by year basis: regulations changed so swiftly (during the season too).
We are talking here about 1937 and 1938.

1937: CSAI made a list of eligible chassis. Eligible engines were the ones pertinent to an eligible chassis as demonstrated by the manufacture's catalogues. Engines could be tuned, re-bored etc. but the general architecture could not be modified (no oh valves if it had side valves for instance)

1938: CSAI was closed, Lurani and Filippini thrown out. Engines pertinent to an eligible chassis could be modified in the cylinder heads and ignition systems. That opened the way to builders of special heads for Fiat 500, Fiat 1100, 1500 and Aprilias that usually were the tuners themselves.

SIATA was a slight exception. In 1937 they had built a series of about 10 Topolino spiders with special head with oh valves. They asked that their cars would be eligible for 1937, but they were turned down. They pushed hard politically and the SIATAs were put in the list for 1938 as made by a "car manufacturer". That had the effect to put their special head available to the other tuners. The Fiat-SIATAs tuned by SIATA were slower than Baravelli's Fiat-SIATA tuned by Stanguellini.

The question is: how do you list these cars? In this matter being a "car manufacterer" is a bureaucratic title and keeping in mind that each car car was unique I'd list a Topolino with SIATA head tuned by SIATA itself as a "Fiat 500-SIATA (body X)". I'd list Baravelli's car as I did: a "Fiat 500-SIATA Stanguellini (body Y)".

Another similar exception was the Testa d'Oro cylinder head for Fiat 1100 designed by Roselli (the same fellow that had designed the Alfa Bimotore). They were hugely popular in postwar racing and they tried also to build their own cars.

Matters are going to be even more complicated when chassis were liberalized starting a bit in 1939 and leading to the collapse of the category after 1947. So there was no list of eligible chassis afterwards.

When a Fiat Stanguellini (no hyphen) will become just a Stanguellini is a matter that has to be studied on a car by car basis and it is relevant only starting from the late 40s.

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Posted 28 February 2002 - 21:20

First of all, let me thank you all, especially Alessandro, for the contributions to this thread. I really learned a lot and would like to go on...
I will post the informations I got on the point scoring system on Sunday, as well as the class winners (FEV and Martin), as I'm a bit short of time these days.
But, Martin, I suppose Alessandro has a lot more infos as I have, so if we should get to the years after WWII, he might give us more of his infos and results. Am I right, Alessandro?
But, please no hurry, as I believe this to develop into an long living topic to discuss.

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Posted 28 February 2002 - 21:56

I will post the informations I got on the point scoring system on Sunday, as well as the class winners (FEV and Martin), as I'm a bit short of time these days.


Don't worry, no hurry Udo ! This thread has already brought so many great info - I wouldn't have dreamed there was so much available ! Thanks again to all.

#24 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 01 March 2002 - 14:15

Originally posted by alessandro silva
1938, 29.5 Parma Poggio di Berceto,
50.5 kms
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale

Overall
1. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900
2. Clemente Biondetti, Alfa Romeo 2900
3. Guido Barbieri, Maserati?


1. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 race #166
2. Clemente Biondetti, Alfa Romeo 2900 race #170

Originally posted by alessandro silva
1938, 10.7
Pontedecimo-Giovi km. 9.650
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale
Starters 57 class. 43

Overall
1. Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 2900(the Tipo MM s/c posted by Patrick) 6'32"4 90,610 kmh
2. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 (idem) 6'33"6
3. Piero Dusio, Alfa Romeo 2900 (Botticella) 6'46"


1. Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 2900 MM race #114
2. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 MM race #112
3. Piero Dusio, Alfa Romeo 2900 (Botticella)
I have not Dusio's race number at hand, but actually Dusio's car was his own. It featured a boticella-like body, but not identical to the 1936-37 factory cars. The main difference was the front grille, from the "stock" 8C 2.9 instead of the rounded one, GP-like.


Originally posted by alessandro silva
1938, 21.8
Corsa dello Stelvio
distance 14km. start at 1543 m on the s.l. finish at 2758m on the s.l.
Starters 40 class. 33
Categories: Sport, Sport Nazionale

Overall
1. Piero Dusio Alfa Romeo 2900 Botticella 14'55"24 56.299 kmh
2. Carlo Pintacuda, Alfa Romeo 2900 body Tipo MM 14'58"40
3. Francesco Severi Alfa Romeo 2900 body Tipo MM 15'00"53


Where privateer Dusio beats the factory team with his private car :clap:

Some pics available on request - I can't post.

#25 alessandro silva

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 12:55

Why did I get myself dragged into this thread?

Udo, about the drivers you are asking for Bertani was in a different class than the others, no more than competent amateurs who were in the right car for the right season.

Franco Bertani from Reggio Emilia was bloody quick but he was never interested to move up in the racing ladder. His most famous victory was in Brussels, 1946, for the Belgian Sportscars GP where in his 1938 car he obliged Amédée Gordini in his more powerful 1939 Simca Gordini T8 810404 to make a mistake to keep up with him.
At the end of the war Bertani started using the idle workers in the former airplane factory O.M.I. - Caproni in Reggio Emilia to build alluminum bodies for sports cars. The project was called Ala d'Oro and Stanguellini among others used these bodies in 46/47. Ala d'Oro made its own car too, a Sport (Annexe C) with Topolino chassis and Fiat 1100 engine (I ignore the tuner) that Bertani raced at the Turin international sports car GP in 1947 unsuccessfully. Similar bodies - very pretty - as for the 47 Ala d'Oro car were used also later on by Faccioli and Giannini for their 750 sports cars with Topolino chassis.
Bertani then purchased - around 1950 - a Cooper-JAP 1100, took the engine off and mounted it on the 1947 Topolino chassis (at the front). Results were atrocious. You find the car called "Cooper" in 1951 reports.

Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli - a Florentine nobleman - has the distinction of having been "the first Ferrari owner" having purchased one of the two 1940 815 Auto Avio Costruzioni for the "Mille Miglia". His codriver there was Enrico Nardi, head tester at Lancia and Scuderia Ferrari, then the maker of the very interesting ND sports cars (Nardi-Danese) until the mid 50s and finally of the universally known steering wheels. The ultra fast Rangoni's Balilla Stanguellini of 1937 was sold in 1938 to some Gualtiero Garagnani. That year Rangoni raced an Alfa Romeo 6C 2300B Touring prepared by Stanguellini. I sort of lost track of him after the war. he has also the distinction of being the father of one of the first international top-models, Nicoletta, a true goddess from the 60s.

Giulio Baravelli from Perugia. Raced in the 1937 a Fiat 500 Stanguellini with original body, re-bodied as a tank by Torricelli in 1938 with a new SIATA head engine.
In 1947 he drove a Fiat 500-Giannini (Giannini had made in 1946 a crankshaft for the Topolino engine on three bearings) with Ala d'Oro body winning at Pescara. It was supposedly the fastest car in the class and was driven also by Mario Raffaelli. I have him still racing in the late 50s a "BMW" called "tin can Special", apparently with one of the AFM tuned 328 engines.

Lamberto Grolla from Biella. Biella is the centre of textile industry in Italy and Grolla was a wool industrialist. Biella was the place of birth of racing car drivers: Trossi, Bracco, Maglioli and the lesser known Grolla, Porrino and Giletti.
In 1947 Grolla made a bet with fellow textile industrialist Mario Porrino on who would be the better driving the the same car. They both purchased a Cisitalia D46 entering all 1500 races in Italy and also the Italian GP. I'd say that the results were even, they were far away of being the fastest in a categorythat saw Nuvolari, Taruffi, Bonetto that year. I have Grolla in a Fiat Stanguellini in 1948.

All these drivers can be found in Mille Miglia entry lists until well into the 50s with the exception of Bertani. You ask also about Spotorno. This is a more difficult question. After the 1937 Topolino he raced a Fiat-SIATA Zagato in 38. Dominant in 37, Spotorno was trounced by Baravelli in 38. He left racing and was involved in many different bodies of the sport until the 60s: governing, organising, drivers association. It appears that this had become his full time job and it is difficult to keep track of that.

#26 Udo K.

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 14:31

Here is what I have on the point scoring system from 1947 onwards :

Qte: 1947: 100 p. to the 1st of each class, 80 to the 2nd, 60 to the 3rd, 50 to the 4th, 40 to the 5th, 30 to the 6th, 25 to the 7th, 20 to the 8th, 15 both to the 9th and to the 10th, plus 10 other points to each starter. 20 further points of each driver who set the fastest lap in class. 1948-1949: as 1947 with the exception that the first of each class got 125 points instead of 100. 1950: the points became those of the World F.1 Championship: 8-6-5-4-3-2-1. The points were redoubled for the Mille Miglia and the Giro di Sicilia. 1951: same as 1950 except the redoubling of the points in the long distance events; 1952: the points were given only if the class featured at least three starters; 1953: the norm of the 1952 was shelved and the points system changed into 8-6-4-3-2-1 (i.e. only the first six drivers scoring points); 1954-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-62: it was stated that the 100% of the points would be given only when at least eight car would start; in case of smaller grids, the points would be shortended by a unit for every missing starter to eight (for example the winner of a seven cars class would get 7 points, the winner of a six cars class would get 6 points and so on). Only those class winning drivers who would score at least 15 points in three different races would be considered as Italian champions. The title wouldn't be assigned to those classes whose at least three starters wouldn't take part at a minimum of four races. 1963-64-65: the basic points system was modified: 9-7-5-4-3-2 for classes with 7 or more starters; with 1-6 starters the points were reduced according to the 1953 norm, but the last classified didn't get any points. The basic points had to be multiplied by a coefficient as follows: 1 for the hillclimbs (which had to be at least 10 kms long), 1.3 for the circuit races (100 kms or 1 hour), 2 for 101-500 kms and < or = 3 hours races, 3 for > 500 kms or >3 hours races. The class champions had to gather a minimum of 25 points and to attend at least 4 meetings. Unqte

One of the most complicated systems I ever came across. Does anybody, by chance, have the final results plus the points scored by the drivers?

Thanks Alessandro for the notes on the drivers!

#27 Udo K.

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 14:34

Above information on the points system thanks to my Florentine friend David Tarallo who helped me a lot in providing unknown facts. Thanks David!

Udo

#28 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 15:30

That year Rangoni raced an Alfa Romeo 6C 2300B Touring prepared by Stanguellini. I sort of lost track of him after the war. he has also the distinction of being the father of one of the first international top-models, Nicoletta, a true goddess from the 60s.



I still haven't worked out how to make these darned quotes display the way you fellers can...!???

Alessandro - surely Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli served as a pilot and was killed flight-testing - I believe at Modena - sometime during the Second World War? This would explain his postwar non-appearance - poor chap...

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#29 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 15:32

Oh yes - and unlike your Fiat Stanguellin contention - Ferrari's Auto-Avio Costruzione should, I think, have a hyphen?

DCN

#30 David McKinney

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 18:19

Originally posted by Doug Nye

I still haven't worked out how to make these darned quotes display the way you fellers can...!???

Just like this...
Click on the 'quote' button of the particular post you want to quote. You will then be taken to the normal 'reply'box except that the quote will be there waiting for you to edit (if you wish)

(I never thought I'd see the day when I was advising other people on a computer matter)

#31 alessandro silva

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 19:17

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Oh yes - and unlike your Fiat Stanguellin contention - Ferrari's Auto-Avio Costruzione should, I think, have a hyphen?

DCN


It works!!!
I was using an idiotic copy and paste thing before.
Yes Doug, it could and it makes more sense.

I use the hyphen to distinguish when an engine had a major modified piece (Fiat-Giannini if the crankshaft was changed) and Fiat Giannini (without hyphen) if it was just tuned by Giannini. It is mainly for myself. This allows to consider a Fiat-Giannini tuned by Patriarca, for instance (as it happened) with not many words.

I had forgotten all about Rangoni's death. For this thread I had to use notes that had been sitting in a box for some....decades. I confess that the interest was revamped by a most extraordinary book that I read last fall:

Curami-Vergnano, La Sport e i suoi artigiani, 1937-1965, Giorgio Nada editore, 2001.
I am trying to put an ad for it anytime time I can here.

#32 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 March 2002 - 20:23

Originally posted by alessandro silva


I had forgotten all about Rangoni's death. For this thread I had to use notes that had been sitting in a box for some....decades. I confess that the interest was revamped by a most extraordinary book that I read last fall:


Alessandro - might you happen to know what type of aircraft Rangoni lost his life in, and the circumstances and true location? I have never seen satisfactory reference on that, and he was a significant figure. WOW! the quote worked...thanks Dave....

DCN

#33 alessandro silva

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Posted 03 March 2002 - 11:45

Doug - I dug into what I have at home but could not find anything about Rangoni's death. I'll try not to forget about next time I'll go to the library in Turin. If it is urgent I'll try some other way. Let me know.

In doing that I found that the proportion between Auto Avio Costruzioni and Auto-Avio Costruzioni is about 3 to 1. The only way to sort that out will be a trip to the Modena Chamber of Commerce.(yellow thing)

#34 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 March 2002 - 15:58

Alessandro - relax - Ferrari's original brochure renders the company title 'Auto-Avio Costruzioni' as did the firm's 1940 letter heading. No doubt we'll find a compliments slip now which contradicts this assertion, but it does make better sense hyphenated.

Re Rangoni's death - not at all a matter of urgency (certainly not to the Marchese himself, poor chap) - just something else that has always intrigued me...

Reviewing this entire thread - hasn't it been FANTASTIC....

DCN

#35 Udo K.

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 11:02

Martin asked me to post the class winners here.

Here they are for the pre-war years 1937-1939:

1937:

4.4.37
Mille Miglia
750cc: Spotorno/Besana, Fiat
1100cc: Braida/Jesi, Fiat
1500cc: Minio/Castagnaro, Fiat
+1500cc: Boratto/Guidotti, Alfa Romeo

16.5.37:
Parma - Poggio di Berceto (Hillclimb)
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Alberto Comirato, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc: Salvi del Pero, Alfa Romeo

6.6.37:
Coppa Ascoli
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Lotario Rangoni, Fiat
1500cc: Ruggero Minio, Fiat
+1500cc: Lamberto Grolla, Alfa Romeo

18.7.37:
Susa - Moncenisio (Hillclimb)
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Lotario Rangoni, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

13.8.37:
Targa Abruzzo
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Lotario Rangoni, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

Champions:
750cc: Spotorno, 1100cc: Rangoni, 1500cc: Capelli, +1500cc: Cortese


1938:

3.4.38:
Mille Miglia
750cc: Baravelli/Sola, Fiat
1100cc: Taruffi/Carena, Fiat
1500cc: Villoresi/Forti, Fiat
+1500cc: Cortese/Fumagalli, Alfa Romeo

24.4.38:
Salita dei Colli Torinesi (Hillclimb)
750cc: Emilio Darbesio, Fiat
1100cc: Mario Braida, Fiat
1500cc: Giovanni Bracco, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo









29.5.38:
Parma - Poggio di Berceto (Hillclimb)
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Giuseppe Gilera, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

19.6.38:
Coppa Ascoli
750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat
1100cc: Enzo Crotti, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

3.7.38:
Trofeo Val d'Intelvi (Hillclimb)
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Alfonso Catanese, Fiat
1500cc: Ovidio Capelli, Fiat
+1500cc:Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

10.7.38:
Pontedecimo - Giovi (Hillclimb)
750cc: Giulio Baravelli, Fiat
1100cc: Franco Bertani, Fiat
1500cc: Lamberto Grolla, Fiat
+1500cc: Franco Cortese, Alfa Romeo

15.8.38:
Targa Abruzzo
750cc: Baravelli/Sola, Fiat
1100cc: Bertani/Taddei, Fiat
1500cc: Cantoni/Agosti, Fiat
+1500cc:Cortese/Ghersi, Alfa Romeo

21.8.38:
Corsa della Stelvio (Hillclimb)
750cc: Franco Spotorno, Fiat
1100cc: Giuseppe Gilera, Fiat
1500cc: Soave Besana, Lancia
+1500cc:Renato Balestrero, Alfa Romeo

Champions: 750cc: Baravelli, 1100cc: Bertani, 1500cc: Capelli, +1500cc: Cortese


1939:

26.3.39:
Benghasi-Tripoli
750cc: Giulio Baravelli, Fiat
1100cc: Rossi/Molinari, Fiat
1500cc: Leoncini/Berrone, Lancia
+1500cc: Sanesi/Boratto, Alfa Romeo







2.4.39:
Catania - Etna (Hillclimb)
750cc: Giulio Baravelli, Fiat
1100cc: Oreste Todini, Fiat
1500cc: Luigi Bellucci, Lancia
+1500cc: Lotario Rangoni, Alfa Romeo

21.5.39:
Parma - Poggio di Berceto (Hillclimb)
750cc: Giulio Baravelli, Fiat
1100cc: Franco Bertani, Fiat
1500cc: Angelo Marelli, Lancia
+1500cc: Giosue Calamai, Alfa Romeo

11.6.39:
Circuito dell'Impero, Roma
750cc: Mario Venturelli, Fiat
1100cc: Franco Bertani, Fiat
1500cc: Luigi Bellucci, Lancia
+1500cc: Carlo Pintacuda, Alfa Romeo

2.7.39:
Sassi - Superga (Hillclimb)
750cc: Guglielmo Garavani, Fiat
1100cc: Alberto Comirato, Fiat
1500cc: Luigi Gismondi, Lancia
+1500cc: Mario Tadini, Alfa Romeo

16.7.39:
Corsa dello Stelvio (Hillclimb)
750cc: Ermanno Gurgo Salice, Fiat
1100cc: Giovanni Quintavalla, Fiat
1500cc: Luigi Bellucci, Lancia
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Alfa Romeo

23.7.39:
Trofeo Val d'Intelvi (Hillclimb)
750cc: Giulio Baravelli, Fiat
1100cc: Alberto Comirato, Fiat
1500cc: Angelo Marelli, Lancia
+1500cc: Giosue Calamai, Alfa Romeo

15.8.39:
Targa Abruzzo
750cc: Venturelli/Venturelli, Fiat
1100cc: "Sette"/Donini, Fiat
1500cc: Bellucci/Paganelli, Lancia
+1500cc: Righetti/Rangoni, Alfa Romeo


Champions: 750cc: Baravelli, 1100cc: Comirato, 1500cc: Bellucci, +1500cc: Calamai



I will continue with post-war years soon.

Any additions to the above are VERY much appreciated, because that's all I have right now.

#36 alessandro silva

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 17:34

Udo, you should explain what you need since I posted above more complete information about the races in 37/38. As I said these class winners are for a particular category of cars, TURISMO NAZIONALE in 1937, SPORT NAZIONALE in 1938. In many instances there were class winners for Sports Cars and racing cars, too. Besides the overall classification. Let me know.

#37 Udo K.

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Posted 04 March 2002 - 18:29

Alessandro,

I posted the class winners, as I have got them here. I think best would be to have overall results of the races indicating in what classes the cars were running (if that is possible).
I do not know if you have these informations, but in case you have them, I would be very happy to have them posted here. If I don't ask too much, this could also cover post-war years.

#38 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 06 March 2002 - 16:01

Originally posted by alessandro silva


[...] I confess that the interest was revamped by a most extraordinary book that I read last fall:

Curami-Vergnano, La Sport e i suoi artigiani, 1937-1965, Giorgio Nada editore, 2001.
I am trying to put an ad for it anytime time I can here.


I have had that book in my hands for first time last sunday and I can testify that it's really great. :up:

I have no link nor any interest and so on...

#39 alessandro silva

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Posted 06 March 2002 - 19:15

Originally posted by Patrick Italiano


I have had that book in my hands for first time last sunday and I can testify that it's really great. :up:

I have no link nor any interest and so on...



Neither do I. Of course!

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#40 Udo K.

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Posted 06 March 2002 - 20:42

Originally posted by Patrick Italiano


I have had that book in my hands for first time last sunday and I can testify that it's really great. :up:

I have no link nor any interest and so on...





Well, my list of class winners stems from this book...

#41 Udo K.

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Posted 15 March 2002 - 20:14

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alessandro silva


Overall
1. Mario Tadini Alfa-Romeo 12C-37 25'52" or 25'51", kmh. 117,400
2. Eugenio Siena, Alfa Romeo 8C 26'27"4
3. "Ventidue" (Wild) Alfa Romeo Monza 28'11"
[/B][/QUOTE


"Ventidue" . Alessandro, you put (Wild) behind his name. I found a "Wild" in the Targa entry list of 1922. And there was also an "Ventuno" later sharing with "Ventiduo" in the Mille Miglia. Anyone know the story behind these two drivers?

#42 alessandro silva

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Posted 17 March 2002 - 18:12

Udo,
"Ventuno" and "Ventidue" were the Wild brothers. Italians with a foreign surname; the pseudonyms mean 21 and 22.
I do not think they have something in common with the Wild in the earlier Targa. They were active for a short time in the late 30s. I am answering off-hand from my memory. I'll look it up and see if I find something.

#43 Martin Krejci

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 21:00

Originally posted by Udo K.
Martin asked me to post the class winners here.
Any additions to the above are VERY much appreciated, because that's all I have right now.


Udo, many thanks.

#44 Martin Krejci

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Posted 22 March 2002 - 20:35

I've read with a great interest all contributions to this thread and I have to say that it is very interesting. Thank you to all of you, especially to Alassandro. Please, don't stop to share your knowledge and research with us. I agree that there is no need to hurry, this thread may be running for months or even years if needed. As I said Italian Sportscar Championship is very difficult topic and I am glad I could learn more about it since start of this thread. I cannot help much to this subject but if Udo or anybody else could send here race calendar of all years, I would look if I can find some results apart from Mille Miglia, the results of which are generally known and we could discuss only slight details such as how to call correctly the large number of Fiats, Stanguellinis, etc. or some driver's names (one of them - see below)

Some comments:

>1938, 24/4 Coppa dei Colli Torinesi,
>Sport Nazionale
>750cc 1. Emilio Darbesio (car unknown as the driver to me)

Would be E. Darbesio from Mille Miglia 1938 raced with Fiat Siata 500 spider Zagato and I believe also Darbesio from Litoranea Libica 1937 racing with simply called Fiat 500. No other details.

>Patrick Italiano:
>Some pics available on request - I can't post.

Yes, Patrick, please, I have interest about any pictures. An thank you for such details like race numbers, every contribution is appreciated.

>Doug Nye:
>quote:
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>That year Rangoni raced an Alfa Romeo 6C 2300B Touring prepared by Stanguellini. I sort of >lost >track of him after the war. he has also the distinction of being the father of one of the >first >international top-models, Nicoletta, a true goddess from the 60s.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>I still haven't worked out how to make these darned quotes display the way you fellers >can...!???
>Alessandro - surely Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli served as a pilot and was killed flight->testing - I >believe at Modena - sometime during the Second World War? This would explain his >postwar >non-appearance - poor chap...

Time and Two Seats has at Mille Miglia 1955 238th no.88 Tonino Rangoni/Lotario Rangoni in Fiat 600. I have seen also /M. Rangoni. I am not sure what is correct. I thought that this Lotario Rangoni would be the same as Lotario Rangoni Machiavelli but now I see it is not right. Any definite answer, which Rangoni was Tonino's co-driver that year?


And finally maybe a stupid question:
Chassis and engines are sometimes called Topolino, but cars all are referred to just as Fiat 500 etc. Shouldn't be then rather be called as Fiat 500 Topolino? And what in fact Topolino is or does mean?

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Posted 22 March 2002 - 20:51

Topolino means "little mouse" and was a nickname for the Fiat 500

#46 Udo K.

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Posted 22 March 2002 - 22:58

Here is 1947 now, with the championship divided into "Sport Nazionale" and "Sport Internazionale"



Sport Nazionale 1947:

1.6.47
Circuito di Vercelli

750cc: Mario Avalle, Fiat Avalle
1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Aldo Ranzini, Lancia
+1500cc:Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini


20.7.47:
Circuito delle Cascine

750cc: Mario Lietti, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini


10.8.47:
Aosta-Gran San Bernardo

750cc: Mario Lietti, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Carlo Leoni, Lancia
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini


31.8.47:
Circuito di Novara

750cc: Giuseppe Bertone, Fiat
1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Aldo Ranzini, Lancia
+1500cc: Giampiero Bianchetti, Alfa Romeo


5.10.47:
Circuito di Voghera

750cc: Luigi Zanetti, Fiat
1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Aldo Ranzini, Lancia
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini


26.10.47:
San Remo-Poggio dei Fiori

750cc: Luigi Zanetti, Fiat
1100cc: Antonio Bottazzi, Fiat
1500cc: Alfredo Colombo, Lancia
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini


Italian Champions: 750cc:M. Avalle, 1100cc: Scagliarini, 1500cc: Ranzini, +1500: Balestrero










Sport Internazionale 1947


11.5.47:
Circuito di Piacenza

750cc: Piero Avalle, Fiat Avalle
1100cc: Nando Righetti, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Guido Barbieri, Maserati A6
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini


15.5.47
Sassi-Superga

750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Nando Righetti, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Giovanni Bracco, Fiat-Maserati



18.5.47:
Circuito di Asti

750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Nando Righetti, Fiat Stanguellini



25.5.47:
Circuito di Roma

1100cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Franco Cortese, Ferrari 125S


22.6.47:
Circuito di Vigevano

1100cc: Vincenzo Auricchio, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Franco Cortese, Ferrari 125S


29.6.47:
Circuito di Varese

750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Vincenzo Auricchio, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Franco Cortese, Ferrari 125S
+1500cc: Renato Balestrero, Fiat Stanguellini







16.7.47:
Circuito di Modena

750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Guido Barbieri, Maserati A6
+1500cc: Alberto Ascari, Maserati A6 GCS



14.9.47:
Circuito di Lido di Venezia:

750cc: Carlo Pesci, Fiat
1100cc: Arnaldo Tullini, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Guido Barbieri, Maserati A6
+1500cc: Guido Scagliarini, Fiat-Alfa Romeo



19.10.47:
Canicchio-S. Eusebio

750cc: Sesto Leonardi, Fiat Stanguellini
1100cc: Vincenzo Auricchio, Fiat Stanguellini
1500cc: Guido Scagloiarini, Fiat Stanguellini
+1500cc: Emilio Romano, Alfa Romeo


Champions: 750cc: Leonardi, 1100cc: Auricchio, 1500cc: Barbieri, +1500cc: Balestrero.

#47 Martin Krejci

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Posted 26 March 2002 - 22:21

UDO: Some of my data are different but yours are perhaps better. Hopefully anybody can confirm.

Circuit de Vigevano - date 22/6/47 [I have 15/6/47]
Circuito di Modena - date 16/7/47 [I had 28/9/47]
Lido di Venezia - Arnaldo Tullini [Armando Tullini]

ANd here are some results that I have for 1947 championship. As it was said above most of 750 and 1100 entries are listed as just Fiats so any further details about particular cars would be interesting.

Italian Championship Sport 1947

Vercelli [S750]
Circuito delle Terme di Vercelli Date: 1.6.1947
Practiced: 19
Circuit lenght: 1,827 km Race distance: 36,540 km Winner's average speed: 71,258 km/h
Fastest lap: Sesto Leonardi Fiat 1:29 73,901 km/h (lap 3)
1. - Sesto Leonardi (I) Fiat 20 0:30:45,000 1. S750 8.
2. - Pesci Fiat 20 0:31:23,000 11.
3. - Mario Avalle (I) Fiat Avalle 20 0:32:25,400 1. SN750 13.
4. - Macchieraldo Fiat 19 0:30:57,400 3.
5. - François Fiat 19 0:31:13,200 9.
6. - Zagato Fiat 19 0:31:49,600 6.
7. - Cagnasso Fiat 19 0:32:17,000 12.
8. - Fissore Fiat 18 0:32:06,000 19.
9. - Lietti Fiat 17 0:31:48,400 14.
10. - Coletti Fiat 17 0:32:26,000 18.
11. - Clerici Fiat 17 0:32:40,400 5.
12. - Bertone Fiat 16 0:31:08,400 16.
Did not finish:
- Pinzero Fiat 17.
- Tavazzani Fiat 7.
- Giusti Fiat 10.
- Cappa Fiat 15.
- Danzi Fiat 2.
- Martignoni Fiat 4.
Did not start:
- Franceri Fiat 1.

Vercelli [S1.1]
Circuito delle Terme di Vercelli Date: 1.6.1947
Started: 16
Circuit lenght: 1,827 km Race distance: 54,810 km Winner's average speed: 78,611 km/h
Fastest lap: Ferdinando Righetti Fiat 1:22 80,210 km/h (lap 30)
1. - Righetti Fiat 30 0:41:50,000 1. S1.1 11.
2. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 30 0:43:00,000 1. SN1.1 4.
3. - Nissotti Fiat 30 0:43:04,400 1.
4. - Auricchio Fiat 30 0:44:23,400
5. - Comirato Fiat 30 0:44:28,400 8.
6. - Bottazzi Fiat 29 0:44:32,000 13.
7. - Torelli Fiat 28 0:44:28,000 14.
8. - Bellini Fiat 27 0:44:05,000 5.
9. - Leva Fiat 22 0:41:08,000 2.
Did not finish:
- Brigatti Fiat 3.
- Cavacciuti Fiat 7.
- Coppo Fiat 9.
- Spreafico Fiat 10.
- Carini Fiat 12.
- Beltracchini Fiat 15.
- Del Bono Fiat 6.

Vercelli [S+1.1]
Circuito delle Terme di Vercelli Date: 1.6.1947
Circuit lenght: 1,827 km Race distance: 36,540 km Winner's average speed: 78,430 km/h
Fastest lap: Franco Cortese No. 22 Ferrari 125 Spyder 1:20,4 81,806 km/h (lap 4)
1. 22 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder 01C Scuderia Ferrari 20 0:27:57,400 1. S+1.1 1.
2. - Renato Balestrero (I) Fiat Stanguellini 2800 19 0:28:12,000 1. SN+1.5 3.
3. - Azzi Lancia Aprilia 19 0:28:53,000 4.
4. - Beltracchini Auto Avio Construzioni tipo 815 021 19 0:29:06,400 6.
5. - Aldo Ranzini (I) Lancia Aprilia 17 0:28:50,400 1. SN1.5 5.
Did not finish:
- Rovelli B.M.W. 2.

Florence [S750]
Third Circuito delle Cascine, Florence Date: 20.7.1947
Started: 19
Classified: 11
Circuit lenght: 4,250 km Race distance: 63,750 km Winner's average speed: 90,454 km/h
Fastest lap: Sesto Leonardi Fiat 2:44,3 92,852 km/h (lap 6)
1. - Leonardi Fiat 15 0:42:17,100 1. S750
2. - Pesci Fiat 15 0:42:30,000 2. S750
3. - Taraschi Urania - B.M.W. 15 0:43:12,300 3. S750
4. - Polidori Fiat 15 0:44:08,200 4. S750
5. - Lietti Fiat Stanguellini 15 0:44:31,100 1. SN750
6. - Mario Avalle (I) Fiat 15 0:44:40,200 2. SN750
7. - Baravelli Fiat 500-Giannini Ala d'Oro 15 0:44:33,000 S750
8. - Gorla Fiat 15 0:44:36,000
9. - Raffaelli Fiat 15 0:44:37,000
10. - Ricci Fiat 12
11. - Giorgi Fiat 10
Did not finish:
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?

Florence [S1.1]
Third Circuito delle Cascine, Florence Date: 20.7.1947
Started: 7
Classified: 5
Circuit lenght: 4,250 km Race distance: 85,000 km Winner's average speed: 94,404 km/h
Fastest lap: Vincenzo Auricchio Fiat 1100 2:31,4 100,790 km/h (lap 14)
1. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 20 0:54:01,100 1. SN1.1
2. - Auricchio Fiat 1100 20 0:54:30,400
3. - Romani-Adami Fiat 20 0:55:31,300
4. - Sbraci Fiat 20 0:55:35,000
5. - Giannotti Fiat 18
Did not finish:
- xxx ?
- xxx ?

Florence [S+1.1]
Third Circuito delle Cascine, Florence Date: 20.7.1947
Classified: 5
Circuit lenght: 4,250 km Race distance: 85,000 km Winner's average speed: 101,993 km/h
Fastest lap: Felice Bonetto Delage 3000 2:26,8 104,223 km/h (lap 15)
1. - Felice Bonetto (I) Delage 3000 20 0:50:00,200
2. - Auricchio Fiat 1100 20 0:51:04,800
3. 106 Ferdinando Righetti (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder 01C Scuderia Ferrari 20 0:51:36,400
4. - Fabbrini Alfa Romeo 19
5. - Balestrero Alfa Romeo 15
Did not finish:
- Ghersi ?
36 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder Corsa 02C Scuderia Ferrari

Novarra
Circuito di Novara Date: 31.8.1947
Circuit lenght: 2,340 km Race distance: 46,800 km Winner's average speed: 80,450 km/h
Fastest lap: Nando Barbieri Maserati A6CS/46 1:40,3 83,920 km/h
1. - Nando Barbieri (I) Maserati A6CS/46 20 0:34:58,300
2. - Ermini Alfa Romeo 20 0:35:19,100
3. - Giampiero Bianchetti (I) Alfa Romeo 20 0:35:37,000 1. SN+1.5
5. - Beltracchini Auto Avio Construzioni tipo 815 021
- Giuseppe Bertone Fiat 1. SN750
- Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 1. SN1.1
- Aldo Ranzini (I) Lancia 1. SN1.5

Voghera
Circuito di Voghera Date: 5.10.1947
Circuit lenght: 2,300 km Race distance: 69,000 km Winner's average speed: 87,840 km/h
Fastest lap: Guido Barbieri Maserati 1.5 1:32 90,000 km/h
1. - Armando Tullini (I) Fiat 1100 30 0:47:08,000
2. - Barbieri Maserati 1.5 30 0:47:21,200
3. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 1100 30 0:48:18,200 1. SN1.1
- Luigi Zanetti Fiat 1. SN750
- Aldo Ranzini (I) Lancia 1. SN1.5
- Renato Balestrero (I) Fiat Stanguellini 1. SN+1.5

Piacenza [S750]
I. Circuito di Piacenza Date: 11.5.1947
Started: 23
Circuit lenght: 3,300 km Race distance: 66,000 km Winner's average speed: 95,953 km/h
Fastest lap: Sesto Leonardi Fiat 2:0,2 98,835 km/h
1. 6 Piero Avalle (I) Fiat 500 Avalle 20 0:41:16,200 1. S750 1.
2. - Sesto Leonardi (I) Fiat 20 0:41:42,400 2. S750 9.
3. - Taraschi Urania 20 0:42:47,600 3. S750 18.
4. - Mario Lietti (I) Fiat 20 0:43:19,400 4. S750 4.
5. - Bruno Martignoni (I) Fiat 19 0:41:20,000 5. S750 7.
6. - Mario Avalle (I) Fiat 19 0:41:46,600 6. S750 1.
7. - Concetto Di Pace Fiat 19 0:42:19,200 7. S750 8.
8. - L. Zanaboni Fiat 19 0:43:04,400 8. S750 21.
9. - E. Lanzi Fiat 19 0:42:01,200 9. S750 19.
10. - G. Fissore Fiat 19 0:42:05,400 10. S750 16.
11. - Giuseppe Bertone Fiat 19 0:42:08,200 11. S750 14.
12. - Carlo Pesci (I) Fiat 19 0:42:20,000 12. S750 5.
13. - Armando François (I) Fiat 19 0:42:22,400 13. S750 3.
Did not finish:
- Innocenti Fiat 18 S750 12.
- Zagato Fiat 16 S750 13.
- Brandi Fiat 14 S750 10.
- Gorla Fiat 14 S750 11.
- Reynaldi Fiat 12 S750 6.
- Tavazzani Fiat 5 S750 17.
- Franceri Fiat 4 S750 22.
- Baldoni Fiat 4 S750 20.
- Maestri Fiat 2 S750 15.
- Matta Fiat 1 S750

Piacenza [S1.1]
I. Circuito di Piacenza Date: 11.5.1947
Circuit lenght: 3,300 km Race distance: 99,000 km Winner's average speed: 107,686 km/h
Fastest lap: Ferdinando Righetti No. 72 Fiat Stanguellini 1:47,6 110,408 km/h (lap 15)
1. 72 Ferdinando Righetti (I) Fiat Stanguellini 30 0:55:09,600 1. S1.1 7.
2. - Vincenzo Auricchio (I) Fiat Stanguellini 30 0:56:17,600 2. S1.1 4.
3. - C. Cavacciuti Fiat 29 0:55:57,400 3. S1.1 15.
4. - Nissotti Fiat 29 0:56:03,400 4. S1.1 8.
5. - Pinzero Fiat 29 0:56:37,400 5. S1.1
6. - Virgilio Versolato Fiat 28 0:56:27,200 6. S1.1 18.
7. - Efisio Zanella Fiat 28 0:57:11,000 7. S1.1 3.
8. - C. Grisoni Fiat 24 0:56:18,000 8. S1.1 16.
Did not finish:
- Testi ? 21 S1.1 9.
- Ermini ? 16 S1.1 6.
- Bassi ? 13 S1.1 5.
- Scagliarini ? 13 S1.1 1.
- Bellini ? 9 S1.1 14.
- Brigatti ? 8 S1.1 19.
- Torelli ? 6 S1.1 2.
- Aloisio ? 5 S1.1 10.
- Zanetti ? 5 S1.1 12.
- Eros ? 2 S1.1 11.
Did not start:
- Bonetto ? S1.1 17.
- Conti ? S1.1 13.

Piacenza [S+1.1]
I. Circuito di Piacenza Date: 11.5.1947
Circuit lenght: 3,300 km Race distance: 99,000 km Winner's average speed: 107,220 km/h
Fastest lap: Guido Barbieri No. 164 Maserati 6CS/46 1:43 115,338 km/h (lap 22)
1. 164 Guido Barbieri (I) Maserati 6CS/46 30 0:55:24,000 1. S1.5 14.
2. - Mario Angiolini Maserati 6CS/46 30 0:56:06,400 2. S1.5 8.
3. - Renato Balestrero (I) Fiat Stanguellini 2800 29 0:57:29,200 1. S+1.5 2.
4. - Aldo Ranzini (I) Lancia Aprilia or Maserati 27 0:57:03,200 11.
5. - Giovanna Maria Cornaggia Medici (I) Alfa Romeo 27 0:57:08,000 3.
6. - Enrico Adanti (I) Lancia Aprilia 27 0:57:09,000 5.
7. - Aldo Bianchi (I) Lancia Aprilia 26 0:55:42,000 9.
Did not finish:
128 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder 01C Scuderia Ferrari 27 Fuel pump 1.
- Bracco ? 19
- Beltracchini Auto Avio Construzioni tipo 815 021 10 12.
- Azzi Lancia Aprilia 6 10.
- Dei Alfa Romeo 4 6.
- Rovelli B.M.W. 2000 2 4.
Did not start:
- Cattina Alfa Romeo 15.
- Bruno Maserati 7.
- Danzi Lancia Aprilia 13.
166 Giuseppe Farina (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder Corsa 02C Scuderia Ferrari Accident in practice

Premio di Apertura
IX Gran Premio Roma (Premio d'Apertura), Circuito delle Terme di Caracalla, Roma Date: 25.5.1947
Practiced: 10
Started: 9
Classified: 5
Circuit lenght: 3,425 km Race distance: Winner's average speed: 81,036 km/h
Fastest lap: Sesto Leonardi Fiat 2:30,4 82,340 km/h
1. - Sesto Leonardi (I) Fiat 20 0:50:56,400 1. S750
2. - Giulio Baravelli (I) Fiat 500-Giannini Ala d'Oro 19 0:50:58,000 2. S750
3. - Boldrini Fiat 18 0:51:39,000 3. S750
4. - Alberto Garzi Fiat 19 0:52:36,100 4. S750
5. - Emilio Dansi Fiat 18 0:52:12,000 5. S750
Did not finish:
- xxx ? S750
- xxx ? S750
- xxx ? S750
- xxx ? S750
Did not start:
- xxx ? S750

GP Roma
IX Gran Premio Roma, Circuito delle Terme di Caracalla, Roma Date: 25.5.1947
Practiced: 14
Started: 13
Classified: 8
Circuit lenght: 3,425 km Race distance: 137,000 km Winner's average speed: 88,501 km/h
Fastest lap: Ferdinando Righetti Fiat 1100 2:15,6 91,327 km/h (lap 10)
1. 56 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder 01C Scuderia Ferrari 40 1:33:17,400 1. S1.5
2. - Guido Barbieri (I) Maserati 1500 40 1:33:28,200 2. S1.5
3. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 39 1:34:11,800 1. S1.1
4. - Francesco Nissotti Fiat 38 1:33:42,000 S1.5
5. - Gildo De Martino Lancia 37 1:34:49,800 S1.5
6. - Francesco Urbani Lancia 37 1:35:01,400 S1.5
7. - Pasquale Ermini (I) Fiat 35 1:28:46,600 S1.5
Not classified:
- xxx ?
Did not finish:
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
- xxx ?
Other starters:
- xxx ?
- Righetti Fiat 1100 S1.5
Did not start:
- xxx ?

Vigevano
Circuit de Vigevano Date: 22.6.1947
Started: 12
Classified: 6
Circuit lenght: 1,800 km Race distance: 90,000 km Winner's average speed: 78,928 km/h
Fastest lap: Giovanni Bracco Maserati 1:19,6 81,406 km/h (lap 26)
1. 46 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder Corsa 02C Scuderia Ferrari 50 1:08:25,000 1. S1.5 12.
2. - Vincenzo Auricchio (I) Fiat Stanguellini 1100 49 1:08:30,000 1. S1.1 7.
3. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat 1100 48 1:08:33,000 6.
4. - Francesco Nissotti Fiat 1100 47 1:08:31,200 3.
5. - Siro Sbraci (I) Fiat 1100 47 1:09:44,200 4.
6. - Virginio Verzolato Fiat 1100 43 1:09:48,400 5.
Did not finish:
- Enrico Beltracchini Auto Avio Construzioni tipo 815 021 11.
- Guido Barbieri (I) Maserati 10.
- Piero Carini (I) Fiat 1100 8.
- Felice Bonetto (I) Fiat 1100 2.
- Gino Torelli Fiat 1100 1.
- Bracco Maserati 9.

Varese [S750]
Varese Circuit Colle Campigli Date: 29.6.1947
Started: 15
Circuit lenght: 3,600 km Race distance: Winner's average speed: 86,068 km/h
Fastest lap: Sesto Leonardi Fiat Stanguellini 500 2:26 88,167 km/h (lap 1)
1. - Sesto Leonardi (I) Fiat Stanguellini 500 15 0:37:38,400 1. S750 1.
2. - Giusti Fiat 500 15 0:38:23,800 S750 2.
3. - Pesci Fiat 500 15 0:39:18,000 S750 5.
4. - Avalle Fiat 500 15 0:39:21,200 S750 7.
5. - Franceri Fiat 500 15 0:40:31,400 S750 3.
6. - Pinzero Fiat 750 14 0:37:43,000 S750 6.
7. - Tavazzani Fiat 500 14 0:38:57,400 S750 10.
8. - Dal Monte Fiat 500 14 0:39:17,400 S750 11.
9. - Zanaboni Fiat 500 14 0:39:27,200 S750 13.
10. - Tamai Fiat 500 14 0:39:19,000 S750 12.
Other starters:
- Cagnasso Fiat 15.
- Cappa Fiat 14.
- Lietti Fiat 9.
- Baldoni Fiat 8.
- Macchieraldo Fiat 4.

Varese [S+750]
Varese Circuit Colle Campigli Date: 29.6.1947
Circuit lenght: 3,600 km Race distance: Winner's average speed: 97,102 km/h
1. 22 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 125 Spyder Corsa 02C Scuderia Ferrari 40 1:28:52,400 1. S1.5 1.
2. - Vincenzo Auricchio (I) Fiat Stanguellini 1100 40 1:29:09,100 1. S1.1 3.
3. - Nissotti Fiat 1100 39 1:30:56,200 7.
4. - Torelli Fiat 1100 39 1:32:36,400 5.
5. - Renato Balestrero (I) Fiat Stanguellini 2800 36 1:32:44,000 1. S+1.5 13.
Other starters:
- Scagliarini Fiat 1100 6.
- Testi Fiat 1100 14.
- Spreafico Fiat 1100 12.
- Valenzano Fiat 1100 11.
- Carnevali Fiat 1100 10.
- Azzi Lancia Aprilia 9.
- Bonetto Fiat 1100 8.
- Villoresi Maserati 2000 4.
- Rovelli B.M.W. 2000 15.
- Bracco Maserati 1500 2.

Modena [S750]
Circuito di Modena Date: 16.7.1947
Circuit lenght: Race distance: 47,850 km Winner's average speed: 93,660 km/h
Fastest lap: Bernardo Taraschi Urania 2:0,4 95,381 km/h (lap 4)
1. - Sesto Leonardi (I) Fiat Stanguellini 500 15 0:30:09,400 1. S750
2. - Bernardo Taraschi (I) Urania 15 0:30:39,600
3. - Carlo Pesci (I) Fiat 15 0:31:38,000
4. - Giorgio Giusti Fiat 15 0:31:42,000
5. - Renato Ambrosini Fiat 15 0:31:42,000
6. - Antonio Prina Fiat 15 0:31:42,400
7. - Bruno Martignoni (I) Fiat 15 0:31:44,000
8. - Mario Lietti (I) Fiat 15 0:32:45,400
9. - Mario Avalle (I) Fiat 15
10. - Gatto Roissard N.D. 15
11. - Aldo Innocenti Fiat 14 0:31:36,000
12. - Alfredo Tinazzo (I) Fiat 14 0:31:37,400
13. - Carlo Francesconi Fiat 14 0:31:40,400
14. - Dino Pini Fiat 14 0:32:50,200
15. - Gian Luigi Crivelli Fiat 14 0:32:02,000
16. - Nino Ricci Fiat 13 0:32:10,400
17. - Luigi Stagnoli Fiat 13 0:33:21,200

Modena [S+750]
Circuito di Modena Date: 16.7.1947
Circuit lenght: 3,200 km Race distance: 76,560 km Winner's average speed: 108,408 km/h
Race stopped after an accident.
Fastest lap: Franco Cortese No. 20 Ferrari 159C 1:14,499 112,807 km/h (lap 8)
1. 24 Alberto Ascari (I) Maserati A6GCS 24 0:42:22,400 1. S+1.5
2. 6 Luigi Villoresi (I) Maserati A6GCS 24 0:42:39,000
3. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Alfa Romeo 2500 23 0:41:34,400
4. - Guido Barbieri (I) Maserati A6 1500 22 0:41:15,400 1. S1.5
5. 16 Ferdinando Righetti (I) Ferrari 159 Spyder 02C Scuderia Ferrari 22 0:41:34,000
6. - Pasquale Ermini (I) Alfa Romeo 2500 21 0:40:02,000
7. - Nino Rovelli B.M.W. 21 0:41:37,000
8. - Renato Balestrero (I) Alfa Romeo 2300 20 0:42:17,000
Did not finish:
20 Franco Cortese (I) Ferrari 159C 002C Scuderia Ferrari
Did not start:
16T Righetti Ferrari 159 Spyder 01C Scuderia Ferrari Test accident

Circuito del Lido [S750]
Circuito del Lido di Venezia Date: 14.9.1947
Fastest lap: Carlo Pesci Fiat 2:34 89,907 km/h (lap 7)
1. - Carlo Pesci (I) Fiat 1. S750
2. - xxx ?
3. - xxx ?
4. - xxx Fiat 0:42:04,300
5. - Gorla Fiat 0:42:22,300
6. - Francesconi Fiat 0:42:27,100

Circuito del Lido [S1.1]
Circuito del Lido di Venezia Date: 14.9.1947
Circuit lenght: Race distance: Winner's average speed: 96,096 km/h
Fastest lap: Vincenzo Auricchio Fiat 2:10 106,448 km/h (lap 8)
1. - Armando Tullini (I) Fiat Stanguellini 0:36:03,400 1. S1.1
2. - Scagliarini Fiat 0:31:04,100
3. - Auricchio Fiat 0:36:55,300
4. - Romani Fiat 0:37:01,200
5. - Comirato Fiat 0:37:17,100
6. - Ferniani Fiat 0:37:33,100
7. - Del Bono Fiat 0:37:33,400
8. - Gidoni Fiat -1 0:37:22,400

Circuito del Lido [S+1.1]
Circuito del Lido di Venezia Date: 14.9.1947
Circuit lenght: Race distance: Winner's average speed: 100,848 km/h
Fastest lap: Pasquale Ermini Alfa Romeo 2500 2:11,2 105,478 km/h
1. - Giudo Scagliarini (I) Fiat-Alfa Romeo 0:34:21,000 1. S+1.5
2. - Ermini Alfa Romeo 2500 0:34:21,600 2. S+1.5
3. - Guido Barbieri (I) Maserati A6 1500 0:34:45,100 1. S1.5
4. - "Ippocampo" (I) Lancia 14
5. - Beltracchini Auto Avio Construzioni tipo 815 14
6. - Viscardi Lancia 14

#48 Udo K.

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Posted 29 March 2002 - 07:47

Thanks for these fabulous results, Martin. I'll be back with 1948 soon...

#49 Patrick Italiano

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Posted 09 April 2002 - 09:19

Originally posted by Martin Krejci


>Patrick Italiano:
>Some pics available on request - I can't post.

Yes, Patrick, please, I have interest about any pictures. An thank you for such details like race numbers, every contribution is appreciated.


Thanks to Martin's help the promised pictures are uploaded on the racing sports cars site ( http://wsrp.host.sk ), so here they are, for pure eye's pleasure. They are part of my personal collection, scanned from period italian magazines.



1938, 29.5 Parma Poggio di Berceto

1st overall. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 race #166

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2nd overall. Clemente Biondetti, Alfa Romeo 2900 race #170

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1938, 10.7 Pontedecimo-Giovi km. 9.650

1st overall. Nino Farina Alfa Romeo 2900 MM race #114

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2nd overall. Emilio Villoresi, Alfa Romeo 2900 MM race #112

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3rd overall. Piero Dusio, Alfa Romeo 2900 (Botticella) (this is a pic from the Mille Miglia, not from Pontedecimo hillclimb; however it shows well the specific, own Dusio's car body. Not as glamourous as the MM spiders, but still no ugly car...

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#50 dmj

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Posted 16 April 2002 - 15:41

1937, 13/8
Targa Abruzzi
6 hrs. on the 25.8kms Pescara circuit (without chicanes)
Categories: Turismo Nazionale

1. Franco Cortese Alfa Romeo 2300B (body Zagato) 653.325 km, 108.887 kmh.
2. Giuseppe Salvi de Pero Alfa Romeo 2300A (body unknown) 626,221
3. Ovidio Capelli Fiat 1500 as above 611,389 km

750cc 1. Spotorno 1100cc 1. Rangoni Machiavelli 1500cc 1. Capelli, 2. Minio (as above) 3. Vito Mussolini Fiat 1500 (tuner unkonwn for Scuderia Parioli) body Viotti 4. Renzo Cantoni unknown car 5. Guido Ramella Lancia Aprilia (tuner unknown) body homemade: original made into two doors by sloping the back. First car raced by Giovanni Bracco the same year. 6. Vittorio Mussolini, identical as Vito but with lighter Viotti body.


Was there some special connection between Viotti coachbuilders and Mussolini family (if these two are members of THAT Mussolini family)? I sense a good story behind these results... Also, any chance to see picture of these Viotti cars? I'm particulary interested if they resembled my favorite Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 coupe Viotti, recently discussed in another thread...