I found the transcript of the infamous Irvine-Senna fight in Suzuka
Posted 06 May 2000 - 00:20
The scene: Eddie Irvine is sitting alone on a table in the Jordan cabin. Jordan's commercial manager, Rubens Barichello and several other people, mostly Team members, are also present. Suzuka was Irvine's first ever F1 race and everyone is watching a re-run of the Senna-Hill-Irvine incident.
Suddenly the door opens and in walks Ayrton Senna accompanied by Norman Howell, director of communications for McLaren and Giorgio Ascanelli, Senna's engineer.
Senna is looking for Irvine, but either he doesn't see him or he doesn't recognise him. Eddie Irvine raises his hand and Senna walks over to him ...
Irvine : Here!
Senna : What the **** do you think you were doing?
Irvine : I was racing!
Senna : You were racing? Do you know the rule that you're supposed to let the leaders come by when you're a back marker?
Irvine : If you were going fast enough, it was no problem.
Senna : I overtook you! And you went three times off the road in front of me, at the same place, like ****ing idiot, where there was oil. And you were throwing stones and all things in front of me for three laps. When I took you, you realised I was ahead of you. And when I came up behind Hill, because he was on slicks and in difficulties, you should have stayed behind me. You took a very big risk to put me out of the race.
Irvine : Where did I put you in any danger?
Senna : You didn't put me in any danger?
Irvine : Did I touch you? Did I touch you once?
Senna : No, but you were that much from touching me, and I happened to be the ****ing leader. I HAPPENED TO BE THE ****ING LEADER!
Irvine : A miss is as good as a mile.
Senna : I tell you something. If you don't behave properly in the next event, you can just rethink what you do. I can guarantee you that.
Irvine : The stewards said "No problem. Nothing was wrong."
Senna : Yeah? You wait till Australia. You wait till Australia, when the stewards will talk to you. Then you tell me if they tell you this.
Irvine : Hey, I'm out there to do the best for me.
Senna : This is not correct. You want to do well. I understand, because I've been there I understand. But it's very unprofessional. If you are a back marker, because you happen to be lapped ...
Irvine : But I would have followed you if you'd overtaken Hill!
Senna : You should let the leader go by ...
Irvine : I understand that fully!
Senna : ... and not come by and do the things you did. You nearly hit Hill in front of me three times, because I saw, and I could of collected you and him as a result, and that's not the way to do that.
Irvine : But I'm racing! I'm racing! You just happened to ...
Senna : You're not racing! You're driving like a ****ing idiot. You're not a racing driver, you're a ****ing idiot!
Irvine: You talk, you talk. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Senna : I was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Irvine : Yes. I was battling with Hill.
Senna : Really? Really? Just tell me one thing. Who is supposed to have the call? You, or the leader of the race who comes through to lap you?
Irvine : The leader of the race.
Senna : So what have you done?
Irvine : You, you were too slow, and I had to overtake you to try to get at Hill.
Senna : Really? How did I lap you if I was too slow?
Irvine : Rain. Because on slicks you were quicker than me, on wets you weren't.
Senna : Really? Really? How did I come and overtake you on wets?
Irvine : Huh?
Senna : How come I overtook you on wets?
Irvine : I can't remember that. I don't actually remember the race.
Senna : Exactly. Because you are not competent enough to remember. That's how it goes you know.
Irvine : Fair enough. Fair enough. That's what you think.
Senna : You be careful guy.
Irvine : I will. I'll watch out for you.
Senna : You're gonna have problems not with me only, but with lots of other guys, also the FIA.
Irvine : Yeah?
Senna : You bet.
Irvine : Yeah? Good.
Senna : Yeah? It's good to know that.
Irvine : See you out there.
Senna : It's good to know that.
Irvine : See you out there ...
Appearing to turn away Senna then turns back and hits Irvine with his left hand. The blow lands on the right side of Irvine's head. Irvine loses his balance and falls off the table. Senna is still shouting as he is hustled towards the door.
Irvine yells "Insurance claim there!"
Senna (leaving) retorts "You got to learn to respect where you're going wrong!"
So, what do you think??????
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 01:21
Thanks for the transcript. How did you get it? I bet it came somewhere out of the McLaren archives. I always disliked Irvine for doing that stupid move. I think he just saw a chance to show off that he could beat the great Senna. Man! That was some bad weather and a silly thing by Eddy. Some say they dislike Senna for this one, but bar the slap at Eddie, I think he sounds very well behaved and self-constrained (sp?). And I think I can understand why he lost it in the end. I think visuals of Eddie being mister smart-ass would help us judge the situation.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 01:27
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 01:31
But, it was a far less cowardly and asinine as the punch.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 01:37
I think it's easy for us to judge. Imagine the combined stress of the race, the pooring rain (it was real bad!), and the adrenaline rush from leading / winning and then little freshman Irvine doing this stupid stuff.
Could you imagine these combined stimula? We all know how emotional Senna could be, remember him shouting in his car and fainting after winning his Brazil home race? That's stress and high pressure being released. Senna just topped off in the end. I do not approve, but I can understand and my sympathy in THIS case is with Senna.
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It seems to me winning was just too important for Senna and he was blinded by it. He did some other regretable things like ramming Prost on purpose.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 02:20
And, Eddie is just a big an asshole in the exchange as Senna is emotional and loosing self-control.
I just prefer Sennas emotional approach above Eddies smartass approach. I don't approve of both...
Posted 06 May 2000 - 02:30
But the respect Senna was trying to command of Irvine was completely thrown out the door by punching him. He should have realized he won on every level, and just walked away.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 03:02
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 05:03
Where in the rules does it say a driver is not allowed to unlap himself ? Let's take this to the silly zone. Driver 'A' is leading the race and laps driver 'E' who is in 5th place. Driver 'A's car then starts to experience a problem - he get's stuck in 4th gear. According to Senna's argument since driver 'A' is still leading the race driver 'E' must slow down and stay behind him. NONESENSE !
For whatever reason after passing irvine Senna slowed and was taking an inordinate amount of time trying to pass Hill or for whatever reason decided to sit behind Hill. That was stopping Irvine in his battle for 4th(?) place. In order to get on with his race and fulfill his obligation to his employers he was duty bound to do all he could to get that place (I wish a few more drivers thought like that !). The only way he could do that was to unlap himself, a perfectly legal and reasonable manouvre.
Senna was reportedly drunk when this incident took place. If he had an issue he should have taken it through official channels but he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on. His performance, if that is a true transcript, was shameful and the result of an ego dented by the fact that the new boy in an inferior car was able to pass him.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 05:11
These incidents occured before i ever really got into F1, but if the transcript is accurate, hats off to Irvine.
Senna may have been a good racer but that doesn't give one the right to act like an idiot. He deserved Irvine's smartass approach. Hitting Irvine was just stupid.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 06:28
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I can picture Irvine with that "Insurance Claim" remark.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 09:08
Posted 06 May 2000 - 09:28
anyway i don't think theres any thing wrong with what he did on the track. No-one has a right to be anywhere on the track, so go for it, i say.
Imagine the outcry & sour faces if it happened again now to Schumi or Hak.!!
Posted 06 May 2000 - 13:22
Senna, on wets, laps Irvine, also on wets. On the same lap, the two close on Hill, who has just taken on slicks on a drying track, and is still picking up pace. Senna gets on his tow to pass on the straight before 130R, but Martin Brundle's wheel is bouncing across the road, so Senna backs off. Around 130R, Senna is showing his nose to Hill, but Irvine simply takes the chance to dive around the outside of Senna into the chicane. Hill and Irvine then battle fiercely for one and a half lap in front of Senna, touching wheels and all. Irvine goes wide and Senna dives on the inside, with only a few inches between them. Senna loses 15s of his lead to Prost in those 3 laps.
On the racing aspect of it, Irvine was clearly wrong. As for the transcription above, we can't make a judgement only by the words. According to those who were there, Irvine behaved like a brickwall. Senna, temperamental as he was, lost it. No excuse can be given for such behavior. If he had a fault, it was that he could be a real arrogant asshole when it came to his racing. Those of you trying to diminish him as a man based in one single event (which you didn't even witness) don't deserve better judgement, however.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 14:17
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Posted 06 May 2000 - 18:43
Add to that Melbourne 97 and a few other 'First-lap *uckups'...
When he keeps his head together and his mouth shut, Eddie can put in a good performance, but he is not the best out there as the result at Suzuka last year proved.
Posted 06 May 2000 - 07:44
Posted 06 May 2000 - 07:52
But nonetheless, interesting....
Irvine is the backmarker, he has to give way, full stop.
Senna is 100% in the right.
And Senna had a great career, unlike Irvine.....
Posted 06 May 2000 - 22:30
Meanwhile, while all the arm-chair drivers who make how much money a year watching Irvine race F1 and make how much money..
Who also obviously know Irvine's a failure since they have absolutely no F1 experience.
I think most of the Irvine detractors are probably just jealous. That's pretty much true of all the F1 drivers. So many people talk such big **** here, but if it ever came time to go up against a failure like Eddie Irvine, I know who I have my money on: Eddie Irvine. A little respect might be in order from Mazzacane on up the grid. Because it ain't like I'm talking to Alain Prost or perhaps Gerhard Berger on this BB. (Two guys who might actually show up. Unfortunately Senna isn't alive to defend himself.) I don't think you could call any of the current F1 drivers failures at all. If they're failures God only knows what that makes all of us.
Posted 07 May 2000 - 00:18
But to be fair to Irvine he was in his first race and Senna should know that this type of thing happens and wrote it off as another rookie **** UP. Particularly as he won the race!
Irvine's big problem was that it took him 3 years to get over those type of screwups, In 96 he wacked JV a few times and earned the nick name "Irv the swerve" for a while. But Eddie's a model of correctness now, almost makes one wish for the good-old-days!
P.S. As true as this transcript rings, I find it hard to imagine someone taking all this down word for word. Had a recorder running, did they?
Posted 07 May 2000 - 00:40
Posted 07 May 2000 - 02:11
Also, it was reported that actually Berger had advised Senna that he should go to the Jordan pit to have a face-to-face confrontation with Irvine.
Good to see Irvine crashed out of the next race in Australia.
Posted 07 May 2000 - 02:22
In the first news page, it describes the following:
Autosport's Japanese correspondent Adam Cooper was in the Jordan office in the Suzuka paddock after the race on Sunday, when Ayrton Senna attacked Eddie Irvine. Here is what he saw and heard:
Eddie Irvine is sitting on a table. Also in the room are Rubens Barrichello, Ian Philips, half a dozen team members and myself. We are enjoying a TV re-run of the Hill/Irvine/Senna dice.
The door swings open,and Ayrotn Senna enters with his engineer..............The atmosphere is tense. Sensing that something is about to happen, I switch on my tape recorder.
then is the full conversation as provided.
It was reported at the time that Senna put his 1994 championship campaign on jeopardy because of the fight. It was believe the FIA was trying to use the opportunity to make life difficult for Senna to spice up the 94 title fight. With hindsight, i wished they had banned him for the 94 season or the first few races, maybe he'd still be with us today. Silly thoughts.
Posted 07 May 2000 - 02:26
Of all the jokes Berger pulled on Senna, I think this one was the worst one, pressing him to go to Irvine
Posted 09 May 2000 - 03:21
PS. If I, as a driver, I see the opportunity to pass the guy in front of me (Hill in this case), I'd dive in and attempt the pass. If Senna wasn't able to pass a slower Hill, I can't sit and jerk around. I am new and I have possibly only a few GPs to impress someone and get a permanent seat in F1. Senna'a indecision caused Eddie to do what he did. I would have done the same.
Posted 09 May 2000 - 05:58
In the blue corner weighing in at 17Kg (including ego), Irv the (oops didn't see ya there Aryton) Swerve.
In the red corner weighing in at 15Kg (including jaw) David (hey I drive an F1 car, a lear jet can't be that tough) Coulthard (Filling in for Senna)
Let the steel cage match, WDC slapdown commence.
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