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[silver]

It was said in Turunsanomat ( www.turunsanomat.fi ) that Raikkonen was able to do 1.15.21 in his qual simulation
Turunsanomat also states that race simulation was not as good since they werent able to complete the race distance.

[cupra]

any new of today's tests??

[karlth]

They've called in Marc Gene to Valencia, don't know if that was planned. Anyway Juan and Marc are driving the FW25 cars while Ralf is in the FW24. Comparison or tyre testing?

[cupra]

it would seem like Ralf's doing tyre testing and Juan Pablo and Marc are just putting in miles and miles on the FW25. Probably Juan Pablo is trying to learn about setting up the new car and marc could be doing reliability runs or something like that. who knows...

I just hope that whatever they do, the FW25 goes quicker and quicker!!

[karlth]

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Originally posted by cupra
it would seem like Ralf's doing tyre testing and Juan Pablo and Marc are just putting in miles and miles on the FW25. Probably Juan Pablo is trying to learn about setting up the new car and marc could be doing reliability runs or something like that. who knows...

Strange that Ralf would be doing tyre tests, that is usually Marc's job. My guess is that he is doing comparison tests with Juan's FW25 runs or evaluating new components.

[cupra]

you're right it would be a bit odd if ralf was doing tyre testing. I'm trying to think of a reason for him not to be driving the FW25 as I'd think he and JPM should be getting as many miles on the new cars as possible.

BTW, where do you get your info??

[Amnios]

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Originally posted by baddog


Montoya fans have made excuse after excuse. He has in fact done rather well, but last season he was ending ralfs career and sending michael to the old folks home remember? in 2001 he was replacing the old order in F1 with his superior ability, they wouldnt know what hit them remember? Its not Montoya and his driving that bugs me (only a few times in the year anyway) but the overhype that precedes each season and the excuse generator his fans become whenever things go badly.

Shaun

I quite agree. I actually started to like JPM more last year, but his hot/cold performances do show he has a long way to go. It's just a shame some of his fans can't see that as well. Most of Dan2k's comments are pure comedy

Amnios.

[Amnios]

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Originally posted by dan2k


The media and fans dont just hype Montoya for no reason, they did it because they believe he is the best.
Montoya has turned out just fine.

No he's not the best, he could be, but he has a long way to go yet. Try to realise that.

Amnios.

[cupra]

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Originally posted by Amnios


No he's not the best, he could be, but he has a long way to go yet. Try to realise that.

Amnios.

I think labeling someone as the best is a subjective thing, so to some people he may be the best, to some (like you) he's not. Just as some people don't think MS is the best, etc.

One may not agree with what others think, but we're all entitled to have an opinion. And BBs like this one are about sharing opinions and having "discussions" which in the end only show what each individual here thinks.

Obviously some fans are more fanatic than others but I guess it's a matter of respecting their opinion however strange it may seem to be.

cheers

[Toxicant]

I was wondering if anyone has the info on what lap of qualfying last year that JPM was able to beat Ralf. I seem to recall he was able to pull out the quick lap at the very end, which seems to display that he's not that good right out of the box.

How is this going to effect him and his relationship to his teammate comsidering he only has one lap to get the job done this year. Anyone know where you could find each of their first attempt lap times from last year...it might show us what will be this year.

[Arrow]

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Originally posted by Toxicant
I was wondering if anyone has the info on what lap of qualfying last year that JPM was able to beat Ralf. I seem to recall he was able to pull out the quick lap at the very end, which seems to display that he's not that good right out of the box.

How is this going to effect him and his relationship to his teammate comsidering he only has one lap to get the job done this year. Anyone know where you could find each of their first attempt lap times from last year...it might show us what will be this year.

Someone posted the first lap qualifying between montoya ans ralf last year was 12-5 to ralf.

Thats not very conclusive though because montoya could of taken a lot of runs to get upto speed because he was could .
Knowing that he cant this year ,im sure he will change his approach.

[Clatter]

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Originally posted by Toxicant
I was wondering if anyone has the info on what lap of qualfying last year that JPM was able to beat Ralf. I seem to recall he was able to pull out the quick lap at the very end, which seems to display that he's not that good right out of the box.

How is this going to effect him and his relationship to his teammate comsidering he only has one lap to get the job done this year. Anyone know where you could find each of their first attempt lap times from last year...it might show us what will be this year.

It would be meaningless.

The way they approached qualifying last year will be completely different to this.

[cupra]

I'm not sure you could imply much from the times in the different attempts for any of the drivers. Some probably did their first runs more conservatively than others and then "risked" a bit more. It was probably kind of a personal thing that each driver did. Nevertheless it would be interesting to look at the times that you mention to see how everyone was doing

[AndreasNystrom]

is there anyone who knows how many laps they did when they put their fastest lap? if they did atleast 3laps before the fastest time, there shouldnt be any fuel-load difference to qualifying.

Dont know what the big deal is, you want them to break the track record after 400laps, worn out tires, and a headache

[JPMCrew]

Today, from AutoSport:

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After breaking the lap record yesterday, Juan Pablo Montoya found himself at the bottom of the timesheets. He was not too concerned about this, as he completed a series of long runs on full fuel tanks, and didn't attempt to set a quick lap. "The car is okay, we still just have to learn a bit more," he said. "The handling is fine, and we're getting there."

I'm not sure whether JPM sounds relaxed or disillusioned :

[Ghostrider]

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Originally posted by JPMCrew
I'm not sure whether JPM sounds relaxed or disillusioned :

I don't think they are entirely happy, but not too disappointed either.

[Williams]

"The car is okay"
"The handling is fine"
"We're getting there."

Talk about damning with faint praise.

[karlth]

So Ralf was indeed doing tyre tests, but also practising pitstops and perhaps Williams didn't want to use the FW25 for that. Montoya positive about the handling which is good and the new engine usually takes the fastest trap speeds which is positive as well.

Ferrari seem to be pushing as both Michael and Rubens had engine problems in their tests.

Liked this too: Concentrating on tyre and electronics developments, Alonso outpaced Ferrari driver Rubens Barrichello by 0.08s of a second, despite suffering from two brief spins.

[karlth]

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Originally posted by Williams
"The car is okay"
"The handling is fine"
"We're getting there."

Talk about damning with faint praise.

Montoya is never very impressed with anything when it comes to driving, so I think those quotes are positive. I don't remember him describing any car he has driven as being excellent or similar.

[Arrow]

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Originally posted by karlth


Montoya is never very impressed with anything when it comes to driving, so I think those quotes are positive. I don't remember him describing any car he has driven as being excellent or similar.

Well during a season he often describes a car as being "brilliant" after getting a pole or something.

"okay" is as bad as you can get without saying the car sucks.

[holiday]

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Its not Montoya and his driving that bugs me (only a few times in the year anyway) but the overhype that precedes each season and the excuse generator his fans become whenever things go badly.

This is not likely to stop ever since Montoyas 'set of abilities' is such that he looks very good on the spectacular, visible side (overtaking, qualifying, etc.) but much less so in other more inconspicuous departments (technical expertise, strategical mind, etc.).

His fans will always tend to stress his former abilities while trying to downplay the effect of the latter or excusing it with bad luck etc. Its the typical overevaluation of impression over substance. Nothing new here really.

[Williams]

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Originally posted by karlth


Montoya is never very impressed with anything when it comes to driving, so I think those quotes are positive. I don't remember him describing any car he has driven as being excellent or similar.

I hope you are right.

[karlth]

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Originally posted by Arrow


Well during a season he often describes a car as being "brilliant" after getting a pole or something.

"okay" is as bad as you can get without saying the car sucks.

Being quoted right after a pole lap or a race win is not the same as being quoted after a testing session.

Try to find some "brilliant" quotes by Montoya after any test session. You won't.

[karlth]

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Originally posted by holiday
His fans will always tend to stress his former abilities while trying to downplay the effect of the latter or excusing it with bad luck etc. Its the typical overevaluation of impression over substance. Nothing new here really.

Funny. It's the same with Schumacher's fans. Just a different definition of substance I guess.

[KinetiK]

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Originally posted by HSJ


Oh? And I'm sure you have a written confession from McLaren too, right?

Man, if you guys actually believe that any of the manufacturer backed teams go for artificially quick times, you're all just

;) You do know everything so I'll give up now.

[Arrow]

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Originally posted by karlth


Being quoted right after a pole lap or a race win is not the same as being quoted after a testing session.

Try to find some "brilliant" quotes by Montoya after any test session. You won't.

I wont because every williams has been a bucket

[karlth]

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Originally posted by holiday
I'd argue there is a bit of difference between one who across all fan communities is acknowlegded as the most complete racing driver ever and another Mansell-type driver...

Montoya and Schumacher are totally different beasts when it comes to driving style, dedication, talent, charisma, integrity, etc.

Perhaps a topic for another thread? Might be interesting to compare for them.

[karlth]

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Originally posted by Arrow
I wont because every williams has been a bucket

Which makes 10 pole positions a pretty impressive achivement.

[holiday]

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Originally posted by karlth
Perhaps a topic for another thread?

No, thank you. I am usually 'outposted' by die hard fans. Not enough dedication and self-abandonment, I guess.;)

[Jdcasas]

Seems happy:
(from f1live.com)

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The FW25 has an enormous potential” - said Montoya - “it reacts well to the changes in setup. And on top of that, it is much easier and more fun to drive than last year's model and I'm very pleased with that. We had good lap times yesterday, but these are only private testing sessions.”

doesnt look too bad.

[Arrow]

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Originally posted by holiday


No, thank you. I am usually 'outposted' by die hard fans. Not enough dedication and self-abandonment, I guess.;)

[JPMCrew]

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The FW25 has an enormous potential” - said Montoya - “it reacts well to the changes in setup. And on top of that, it is much easier and more fun to drive than last year's model and I'm very pleased with that. We had good lap times yesterday, but these are only private testing sessions.”

Those quotes are much better

[karlth]

BMW said that Montoya was the first driver out on the circuit today and the last driver to return to the garage also he recorded the fastest trap speed of all the drivers, 301kph, so the new car seems very slippery.

[karlth]

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Originally posted by holiday


No, thank you. I am usually 'outposted' by die hard fans. Not enough dedication and self-abandonment, I guess.;)

[dan2k]

Who is the best driver?
Is there a god?
We all have our own opinions on things.
I have no doubt at all that Montoya is the best, the most talented.
Schumacher has the experience and is a very very good driver, but 2nd best after Montoya.
If they had equal machinary last season, we would have seen races from both of them like at Brazil and Malaysia all season long.

This is your championship winning car Montoya, the rest is up to you.
Its time to end Ferrari and Schumacher's fairy tale.
I am sick of talking of what ifs and his protential, Montoya must deliver this upcomming season, and he will.
I know its hard to swallow, but Montoya is the man that will end Schumacher's domination of the sport.
He is destined to.
Schumacher knows he has a true challenger in Montoya, but he is not affraid, instead looks forward to it everytime.
I would love to see a Schumacher and Montoya go wheel to wheel all season long.

If Schumacher is not scare of Montoya, why are his fans so afraid?

[baddog]

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Originally posted by dan2k

Schumacher knows he has a true challenger in Montoya, but he is not affraid, instead looks forward to it everytime.
I would love to see a Schumacher and Montoya go wheel to wheel all season long.

If Schumacher is not scare of Montoya, why are his fans so afraid?

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Originally posted by dan2k
This new car has so much protential, Michael Schumacher pisses his pants worrying about what Montoya could do in it when its up to speed.

Make yr mind up.

Shaun

[Teez]

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Originally posted by dan2k

Who is the best driver?
Is there a god?
We all have our own opinions on things.

Opinions do not alter reality.

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I have no doubt at all that Montoya is the best, the most talented.

See? Reality remains unaffected.

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I am sick of talking of what ifs and his protential,

You're sick of it? Imagine the rest of us who have to hear/read about it!

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If Schumacher is not scare of Montoya, why are his fans so afraid?

You mistake "shaking with laughter" with "quaking in fear". HTH.

[Sir Frank]

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Originally posted by silver
It was said in Turunsanomat ( www.turunsanomat.fi ) that Raikkonen was able to do 1.15.21 in his qual simulation
Turunsanomat also states that race simulation was not as good since they werent able to complete the race distance.

Thanks, its intresting that no team has done a full race sim yet, hardly even any real stints, Sauber looks very reliable but Renault, BAR, McLaren, Jag, Jordan, Toyota.. are vulnerable to say the least, of course more improvements and developments are coming..

I wonder if Toyota goes for sims at Paul Ricard and the other teams at other private tests. Id be really angry if no team goes for a race sim at the last Montmelo tests.

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I dont know about the qualifying rules yet and I think they are not even clarified yet. F1total had some speculations but nothing firm. I do hope that qualifying will stay qualifying not just a one lap blast in race trim with 'race' levels of fuel onboard.

[MONTOYASPEED]

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Originally posted by dan2k
This is your championship winning car Montoya, the rest is up to you.

Pfffftttt... how can you tell he has a championship winning car from a week of testing?

[Mrv]

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Originally posted by MONTOYASPEED


Pfffftttt... how can you tell he has a championship winning car from a week of testing?

Because Dan is the man and he knows 100% for sure it is. At the moment no one can claim to have the winning car.

[HSJ]

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Originally posted by dan2k
Who is the best driver?
Is there a god?
We all have our own opinions on things.
I have no doubt at all that Montoya is the best, the most talented.
Schumacher has the experience and is a very very good driver, but 2nd best after Montoya.
If they had equal machinary last season, we would have seen races from both of them like at Brazil and Malaysia all season long.

This is your championship winning car Montoya, the rest is up to you.
Its time to end Ferrari and Schumacher's fairy tale.
I am sick of talking of what ifs and his protential, Montoya must deliver this upcomming season, and he will.
I know its hard to swallow, but Montoya is the man that will end Schumacher's domination of the sport.
He is destined to.
Schumacher knows he has a true challenger in Montoya, but he is not affraid, instead looks forward to it everytime.
I would love to see a Schumacher and Montoya go wheel to wheel all season long.

If Schumacher is not scare of Montoya, why are his fans so afraid?

Well, we sure have our opinions! I hope you realise that you will be held accountable for your words. ;)

[DAS WUNDER KIND]

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Originally posted by dan2k
Who is the best driver?
Is there a god?
We all have our own opinions on things.
I have no doubt at all that Montoya is the best, the most talented.
Schumacher has the experience and is a very very good driver, but 2nd best after Montoya.
If they had equal machinary last season, we would have seen races from both of them like at Brazil and Malaysia all season long.

This is your championship winning car Montoya, the rest is up to you.
Its time to end Ferrari and Schumacher's fairy tale.
I am sick of talking of what ifs and his protential, Montoya must deliver this upcomming season, and he will.
I know its hard to swallow, but Montoya is the man that will end Schumacher's domination of the sport.
He is destined to.
Schumacher knows he has a true challenger in Montoya, but he is not affraid, instead looks forward to it everytime.
I would love to see a Schumacher and Montoya go wheel to wheel all season long.

If Schumacher is not scare of Montoya, why are his fans so afraid?

Man, u`r gonna be one depressed fella by next octomber....... i hope for u as for the others to have a full recovery in the upcoming winter to entertain this BB in the next year too with your bold predictions .....

[Sith]

Dan2K mate, talk about "Juan-eyed!" It's becoming more and more clear to me that he's in the "Mansell mould", I 1st heard this from some of his mechanics, and was irking grossly!! I'm big on JPM like you, but he's still yet to DOMINATE Ralf, as the saying goes, crawl before you can walk, 1st little brother, then big brother!! Last year it was 9-8 in Q for JPM, yes he got all those poles, but I want to see him beat Ralf to the Flag like Senna did to Berger!!!!

[dan2k]

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Originally posted by Sith
Dan2K mate, talk about "Juan-eyed!" It's becoming more and more clear to me that he's in the "Mansell mould", I 1st heard this from some of his mechanics, and was irking grossly!! I'm big on JPM like you, but he's still yet to DOMINATE Ralf, as the saying goes, crawl before you can walk, 1st little brother, then big brother!! Last year it was 9-8 in Q for JPM, yes he got all those poles, but I want to see him beat Ralf to the Flag like Senna did to Berger!!!!

Yes mate, I understand what you mean.
But in my opinion, Montoya was miles ahead of Ralf in qualifying last year.
Your just look at the end result.
But there was a stage when he was leading Ralf in qualifying something like 6 - 2.
The reason Ralf gets his setup right so many times is he has the most experience driver to help him, yes, Michael.
They probaly talk to each other, and Michael gives him setup and driving tips.
If you see you brother getting crushed by another driver, and you could help, then why not?
They are family.
This is the advantage Ralf has, he gets help from Michael.
Ofcouse, they will never admit this.

[Hellenic tifosi]

And you really believe that Michael, having never driven the Williams is able to actually help his brother? Also, do you seriously think that Ralf would describe his car's behaviour in great detail?

[Amnios]

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Originally posted by Sir Frank


Thanks, its intresting that no team has done a full race sim yet, hardly even any real stints, Sauber looks very reliable but Renault, BAR, McLaren, Jag, Jordan, Toyota.. are vulnerable to say the least, of course more improvements and developments are coming..

I wonder if Toyota goes for sims at Paul Ricard and the other teams at other private tests. Id be really angry if no team goes for a race sim at the last Montmelo tests.

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I dont know about the qualifying rules yet and I think they are not even clarified yet. F1total had some speculations but nothing firm. I do hope that qualifying will stay qualifying not just a one lap blast in race trim with 'race' levels of fuel onboard.

It seems to be normal for quite a few teams to arrive in Aus without having done a full race sim. I know that's happened in the past.

Amnios.

[da Silva]

JPM did an full race simulation yesterday. That´s why the times weren´t that quick.

[Hellenic tifosi]

If I recall correctly, Ferrari arrived in Australia in 2001 without a proper race simulation and only with two tested cars.

[Mrv]

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Originally posted by dan2k


Yes mate, I understand what you mean.
But in my opinion, Montoya was miles ahead of Ralf in qualifying last year.
Your just look at the end result.
But there was a stage when he was leading Ralf in qualifying something like 6 - 2.
The reason Ralf gets his setup right so many times is he has the most experience driver to help him, yes, Michael.
They probaly talk to each other, and Michael gives him setup and driving tips.
If you see you brother getting crushed by another driver, and you could help, then why not?
They are family.
This is the advantage Ralf has, he gets help from Michael.
Ofcouse, they will never admit this.

This is the most stupidest post I have ever seen. Sure Michael calls Ralf during qualifying and before the race and tells him how to set up the Williams.

[Williams]

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Originally posted by Mrv


This is the most stupidest post I have ever seen. Sure Michael calls Ralf during qualifying and before the race and tells him how to set up the Williams.

I doubt that is what Dan2k meant, it was probably more along the line of Michael giving him ideas on how to isolate car problems and what should usually be changed to correct certain misbehaviours in any F1 car. By now, though, I am sure that Ralf is up to speed on how to do all that.