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[lustigson]

Hi guys. A friend of mine asked me if the drivers on the podium at Malaysia, Räikkönen, Barrichello and Alonso, made it the youngest average podium in F1 history. I told him I didn't think so, because their average age is (23 + 30 + 21 / 3 =) 24,67. Do any of you know whether they were the youngest podium or, if not, which drivers and when were?

[Dudley]

Honestly, I doubt it, but equally can't give you an example.

[Rediscoveryx]

I also doubt it, I think we'd heard of that from official sources by now. On the other hand, like Dudley, I can't give you an example of a younger podium so there's a possibility...

It's definately the youngest podium for quite some time

[Brian O Flaherty]

I thought of that when it happened I'd love if we could find the youngest ever.



Edit : I just checked forix and according to them, the podium @ Malaysia WAS the youngest ever on record !! They beat the previous record which was Fittipaldi, Lauda, Scheckter @ Belgium in 1974. so there you have it.

[Oachkatzlschwoaf]

you beat me to it brian
figures somehow, kimi is one of the youngest winners and alonso is now the youngest ever podium scorer i believe ?
imagine the average had massa replaced rubens last race and got that 2nd place instead of him, would look like some f3 result

[Brian O Flaherty]

Interesting how one of the first races ever in F1 has the oldest aggregate podium (Swiss 1950), and the most recent has the youngest.

I'd love to see a chart of the aggregate age's throughout the years in F1. We'd see a steady decline in the average. But I doubt anyone is that nerdy to compile such a chart

[Breadmaster]

I bet some here are that nerdy....no names no pack drill.....

[Geoff E]

Originally posted by lustigson
their average age is (23 + 30 + 21 / 3 =) 24,67

I would argue that claiming two decimal places in the average is unwarranted precision when the numbers you are averaging are integers. If you allow for the fractions of years as well, the average is about 25.26 years.

The average age of the Silverstone podium in 1950 was *about* 45.1 years!

[AtlanticRacer]

Originally posted by Geoff E


I would argue that claiming two decimal places in the average is unwarranted precision when the numbers you are averaging are integers. If you allow for the fractions of years as well, the average is about 25.26 years.

The average age of the Silverstone podium in 1950 was *about* 45.1 years!

I am 20 years old and it would be a little intimidating driving those beastly (against today's standards) Grand Prix cars around daunting circuits like SPA or the 'Ring. Those men were extremely brave...

[peru-f1]

From FORIX I found the following data:

1 2003 Malaysia 25 03 17 Kimi Raikkonen R.Barrichello Fernando Alonso
2 1974 Belgium 25 07 22 E.Fittipaldi Niki Lauda Jody Scheckter
3 1996 Europe 25 09 28 J.Villeneuve M.Schumacher David Coulthard
4 1997 Argentina 26 04 27 J.Villeneuve Eddie Irvine Ralf Schumacher
5 1962 G.Britain 26 06 26 Jim Clark John Surtees Bruce McLaren
6 1968 G.Britain 26 10 14 Jo Siffert Chris Amon Jacky Ickx
7 1996 Belgium 26 11 23 M.Schumacher J.Villeneuve Mika Hakkinen
8 1974 Sweden 26 11 29 Jody Scheckter P.Depailler James Hunt
9 1994 San Marino 27 00 02 M.Schumacher Nicola Larini Mika Hakkinen
10 1982 Monaco 27 00 26 Riccardo Patrese Didier Pironi A.de Cesaris

So it was the youngest podium ever!

The older ones in reverse top10 order:

1953 G.Britain 41 03 05 Alberto Ascari J.M.Fangio Nino Farina
1954 France 41 04 06 J.M.Fangio Karl Kling Robert Manzon
1952 France 41 09 17 Alberto Ascari Nino Farina Piero Taruffi
1950 France 42 02 27 J.M.Fangio Luigi Fagioli Peter Whitehead
1950 Italy 42 04 00 Nino Farina Alberto Ascari Luigi Fagioli
1951 Switzerland 43 00 11 J.M.Fangio Piero Taruffi Nino Farina
1953 Italy 44 05 20 J.M.Fangio Nino Farina Luigi Villoresi
1950 G.Britain 44 09 09 Nino Farina Luigi Fagioli Reg Parnell
1950 Belgium 45 02 14 J.M.Fangio Luigi Fagioli Louis Rosier
1950 Switzerland 46 08 20 Nino Farina Luigi Fagioli Louis Rosier

[dmj]

Well, Fisi is younger than Rubens so we have a new youngest podium ever... despite the fact that youngest of them wasn't actually on the podium.

[bukusuma]

How old is Fisichella ?

[Geoff E]

Originally posted by bukusuma
How old is Fisichella ?

He's about 8 months younger than Barichello - they're both 30, Barichello 31 next month.

[mikabest]

Originally posted by Geoff E


He's about 8 months younger than Barichello - they're both 30, Barichello 31 next month.

RB was born on 23.5.1972 and Fisi on 14.1.1973 so he's 7 months 23 days younger.

yours,

ever so biased MIKABEST

[Vitesse2]

I haven't done the calculations, but Vettel - Kovalainen - Kubica (Italian GP 2008) surely has to be a winner ...;)

[AlanR]

A little over 24 years old on average.

Vettel 3/7/87
Kovalainen 19/10/81
Kubica 7/12/84

[Tigershark]

The top 5 according to Stats F1:

1. Italy 2008 (23y 11m 16d)
2. Germany 2008 (24y 07m 00d)
3. Hungary 2003 (24y 07m 13d)
4. Monaco 2008 (24y 07m 21d)
5. Spain 2007 (24y 08m 22d)

[fines]

That's a worrying trend, then.

[HistoryFan]

but that's not a new trend.

[subh]

When was the last time the podium was made up of three debut winners from that year? I thought of 1995, when you had Herbert, Alesi and Coulthard together at Silverstone. I presume that doesn’t count, as DC had not yet won. But has there been one since?

[Maxioos]

I was thinking, this season can bring youngest F1 podium. So, before making new topic, I looked if there was one, and, here it is.

The stats from #17 are still correct. https://www.statsf1....oyenne-age.aspx

With Verstappen and LeClerc in potential podium cars, that could challenge the 11 year old record I think.

[Glengavel]

When was the last time the podium was made up of three debut winners from that year? I thought of 1995, when you had Herbert, Alesi and Coulthard together at Silverstone. I presume that doesn’t count, as DC had not yet won. But has there been one since?

Fisichella/Räikkönen/Alonso, Brazil 2003 (Alonso was yet to win)
Vettel/Kovalainen/Kubica, Italy 2008 (Kovalainen and Kubica had won earlier in the season)

There have only been six new winners in the last ten years (2009-2018) - Webber, Rosberg, Maldonado, Ricciardo, Verstappen and Bottas. That's not a great statistic.

[Henri Greuter]

Fisichella/Räikkönen/Alonso, Brazil 2003 (Alonso was yet to win)
Vettel/Kovalainen/Kubica, Italy 2008 (Kovalainen and Kubica had won earlier in the season)

There have only been six new winners in the last ten years (2009-2018) - Webber, Rosberg, Maldonado, Ricciardo, Verstappen and Bottas. That's not a great statistic.

I don't know if you forgot him because of whatever reasons you want to forget him or that it is yet another approval of how rare new winners were in that era.

But the nany Williams fans will shed a little tear that during all the misery they have to endure in recent years you even ignored the driver of the last ever GP won by Williams: Pastor Maldonado (2012)


Edit: Already being corrected in the next post....

Edited by Henri Greuter, 05 March 2019 - 11:44.

[StanBarrett2]

@ Henri

Fisichella/Räikkönen/Alonso, Brazil 2003 (Alonso was yet to win)
Vettel/Kovalainen/Kubica, Italy 2008 (Kovalainen and Kubica had won earlier in the season)

There have only been six new winners in the last ten years (2009-2018) - Webber, Rosberg, Maldonado, Ricciardo, Verstappen and Bottas. That's not a great statistic.

Who is this then................................................................................................................... ^^^^^^^^

[Henri Greuter]

@ Henri
Who is this then................................................................................................................... ^^^^^^^^

Oops....


Will make an appointment with my eyedocter....

Edited by Henri Greuter, 05 March 2019 - 11:43.

[Glengavel]

By comparison:

1950-1958 - 20 new winners (if you want, throw in 1949 and add de Graffenried, Rosier and Chiron for a total of 23)
1959-1968 - 22
1969-1978 - 22
1979-1988 - 13
1989-1998 - 11
1999-2008 - 13
2009-2018 - 6

[Ray Bell]

Despite there being so many more races in the latter years...

[Henri Greuter]

Despite there being so many more races in the latter years...

Increased reliability effects I feel.....

[Sterzo]

...and much longer careers for drivers. I once calculated that in the fifties and sixties a typical GP career was seven years (nobody check my arithmetic!). Now Raikkonen's been around for 18 years on and off, Hamilton and Vettel for 12. There are three of your 2018 winners.

Edited by Sterzo, 06 March 2019 - 14:07.

[Eric Dunsdon]

Would it be too pedantic to point out that back in the 1950's  they didn't have all this Podium nonsense? .

[Michael Ferner]

Really? I'm looking at page 32 of Mike Lang's "Grand Prix" Volume 1, showing a picture of Fangio (2nd), González (1st) and Villoresi (3rd) "on the rostrum" after the British Grand Prix of 1951!

[john aston]

Would it be too pedantic to point out that back in the 1950's  they didn't have all this Podium nonsense? .

 Even worse , Eric, I have (shudder) even heard podium as a verb. But don't get me started on use of language in motorsport-  because prolonged exposure to some words makes me feel ill. Such as 'issue' for problem , 'icon' for anybody or anything more than three people have heard of  , 'sat' instead of sitting and 'likely; instead of 'probably'. I could go on...   

[Charlieman]

But don't get me started on use of language in motorsport-  because prolonged exposure to some words makes me feel ill. Such as 'issue' for problem...

Apologies for continuing the digression. But I blame everyone for allowing these distorted euphemisms to perpetuate. If a racing team describes something as an "issue", journalists should identify it as a problem (although a motor racing oil circulation "issue" usually means that something in the engine disintegrated). "Fake news" is a lie or propaganda. The "gig economy" is insecure, usually low paid work. A "barista" is a coffee shop worker, with respect to the handful of tea and coffee experts. "Artisan" products are either fake or an occasional luxury; you can only eat "artisan" cheese every day if you are stinking rich.

 

Cobblers is cobblers, no matter how you dress it up. 

[Eric Dunsdon]

I think that  Messrs Gonzalez, Fangio and Villoresi were crowded onto the starters rostrum at Silverstone in 1951 . The following year I saw Alberto Ascari  received his Trophy on the track  in front of the Pits, a custom followed in following years.

[BRG]

But I blame everyone

Whoa, that's a bit extreme.  I think the culprits are those trainers and management consultants (or snake-oil salesmen as they should be called) who kept telling us that 'there are no such things as problems, only challenges'.  As my old boss said when our whole IT system went down and we could do virtually nothing 'this is not a challenge, it is a f*****g nuisance'.

 

I agree with all the above except that I would take issue (or should that be challenge you) over 'barista' which is a neat way of saying 'bloke who makes the coffee' and for which we had not had, or needed, a word before.  To podium as a verb is a horror but I think we have the Olympics etc to thank for that one - it is so far mercifully rare in our sport.

[2F-001]

To podium as a verb is a horror but I think we have the Olympics etc to thank for that one -

People don’t ‘podium’ at the Olympics, they ‘medal’ don’t they? (Although that’s at least as bad...)
I know that language has to evolve, but I wish folks wouldn’t just ‘medal’ with it!

[Michael Ferner]

I think "to podium" has a pretty charming ring to it, but it all depends on frequency of usage, I guess. I always thought that to euphemise the fact that a driver just spun out of a race by saying or writing that "he took his car for a spin" was pretty nice, too, until I began reading press releases of World of Outlaw Sprint Car races on a regular basis, in which the WoO PR head honcho Richard Day used the phrase for every effing spin in every effing race for years on end!! Is that rethorically challenged, or what?

[ensign14]

 Even worse , Eric, I have (shudder) even heard podium as a verb.

 

I suppose you haven't accessed an online dictionary lately?  Maybe you could book a space at a library, and the staff will time you so they can charge you.  Maybe you could print out some definitions.  If you cock it up, you can bin it.  Just don't attack the staff.  They're trying to help.

[D-Type]

And the way that people, even serious motor racing fans and journalists refer to "front row" when we have had staggered grids for nearly 40 years!

[Sterzo]

I too have an issue with these linguistic challenges. We should touch base and take a rain check to see if we could optimise the situation going forward.

[Collombin]

Seconded. Oh sorry, I meant P2ed.

[opplock]

People don’t ‘podium’ at the Olympics, they ‘medal’ don’t they? (Although that’s at least as bad...)

 

Causing outrage to the grammar police and the Kremlin is the split infinitive "to temporarily medal". The action of winning an Olympic medal and being stripped of it when your samples are retested either in a neutral lab or using new techniques.