The most evocative racing sounds?
Posted 28 June 2000 - 13:24
1.5-litre BRM V16. Although I've never heard one live I've got the "Into the red" CD and that works for me!
Every Ferrari ever made, especially the 512 S or M or even more the 712 CanAm version.
Every Porsche ever made, especially the flat-6 Carrera RSR and the 917 flat-12 models.
Any hard tuned American V8, ever seen "Vanishing Point" or "Bullitt"?!!!
The Lamborghini 12-cylinder engines used in Offshore Power Boat racing, listen to that shriek!!!
The Matra V12, obviously...
/C F Eick
Posted 28 June 2000 - 13:46
The BRM V16 undoubtedly is the best for me.
Any Ducati vee twin motor cycle.
A Vincent Vee Twin
Any normally aspirated Porsche flat six
Normally aspirated Porsche 917
a good DFV
McLaren Mercedes 2000
Mercedes and AutoUnion 1939
A Honda six GP bike.
Right,can any body get these sounds together?
Posted 28 June 2000 - 14:07
Not many would know it, but a Repco-headed Holden pushed hard in a speedcar sounds just great to me.
Posted 28 June 2000 - 14:41
the 4-cylinder Ford Escort BDA at 8000 rpm
the 5-cylinder Audi Quattro
the 2000 Cadillac Le Mans cars
the Panoz ALMS cars
And of course:
a 3500 bhp Top Fuel Dragster blasting past at 450 km/h!!! Man, does those damn things make the ground and the air vibrate...
/C F Eick
Posted 28 June 2000 - 14:58
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:04
Dodge 426 Hemi
Renault Dauphine Gordini ;)
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:12
But Alfa's GTA engine had a loud and piercing sound that worked on your eardrums something bad.
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:19
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:27
Anyway if its race car engines I'll stick with the cliche, BRM V16, its still the best, get to Goodwood some year and follow Mason all day until he starts it.
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:30
Also, that lovely howl produced by a hard tuned straight six... Seems to have only been perfected by BMW. (For those whoe haven't heard it, go and watch Ronin.)
C F, don't they tune their Top-Fuellers right up??? The current 'Guestimate" is that the top teams in the US are pushing 7000hp!!!! (running mid-fours at 315ish mph)
We had them over here for the first time in 7 years, so it was my first experience with them. I was standing on top of our 4x4 when they went past... the shock almost knocked me over!! Funniest part was all the idiots in the pits trying to be tough when they were tuning the engines, standing a couple of metres from the exhausts, with tears streaming down their cheeks from the unburnt methanol that was spewing out the exhausts. [p][Edited by DJS on 06-28-2000]
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:45
You're absolutely right about the shock wave when they pass, wonderful!
Has anyone heard the 2-stroke rally Saab:s that guys like Erik Carlsson used to drive. Very cool sound, screaming hysterically!
/C F Eick
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:52
Posted 28 June 2000 - 15:58
A guy in Australia called Rod Hadfield is putting one into a 1955 Chevrolet... Why I don't know.
Posted 28 June 2000 - 18:15
Can't hide the good ones from me!!!!
Can anyone say MATRA!!!!!!!
I knew you could!!!!
V12 Ferrari's any and all, beautiful.
The six-pot Honda RC cycle motor
Posted 28 June 2000 - 18:49
If your talking automotive, the 1969 E-type Jaguar, after that, any V-12.
Best sounding motorcycle; Honda 6 cylinder. Although I do love the sound of a Harley.
Posted 28 June 2000 - 19:15
Posted 28 June 2000 - 19:32
Where is Hadfield going to put the Merlin in a 1955 Chevy? The engine is half as big as the car!
Posted 28 June 2000 - 20:37
I do miss that car, hated to drive it, but loved to hear it!!
While we're on the subject:
1974 Datsun B210 - pushrod 1300cc - 3ft of exhaust after the manifold, a poor man's 4 pot Coventry!!!
Posted 28 June 2000 - 22:05
Wonder what the Buick chassis with the 1920s Cirrus aero engine will sound like - anyone near Mittagong can check it out?
Note, folks, that nobody has mentioned rotaries....
I do remember one thing, with regard to the sound of engines... when Warwick Brown and Len Goodwin would turn up late at Warwick Farm for practice and they'd be out on their own in the ten-minute discretionary session at the end of the day. All around the circuit you could hear the scream of the little FVA...
My point? It's not just the sound, but the setting and how you hear the sound...
Like the grid full of F5000s lifting off sounded better at Phillip Island than at AIR...
Posted 29 June 2000 - 02:03
OK, how about a Mercedes 300 SLR? Or an MV Augusta 750? Or a Guzzi v8? Or a Laverda Jota?
And all this is only about engine noise. Just think of how good supercharger and gearbox noises are. Which brings me to Alfa P3s and Monzas. And Bugatti 35s.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 02:16
Posted 29 June 2000 - 02:28
Posted 29 June 2000 - 09:22
Auto Union V16
Any MB V12 from the mid to late 1930s
1989 Ferrari Tipo 034 V12 (this was the first atmo season after the turbo era - by did those turbos drone)
Besides the obvious ones listed above, imagine this.
Sunrise on a crisp winters day, beautiful blue sky, on a Forest road accessible only by foot, Out the back of Lake Rotama in the Bay of Plenty district of NZ, surrounded by trees and the wonderful silence of nature....and then....the howl of an engine...rising and lowering in pitch as the driver dances at the wheel...as the howl intensifies you realise the unmistakable sound of a BDA engine in a Mk 2 Ford Escort...listen, watch and wait as the screaming engine note comes closer and closer, louder and louder...and then...screams past you in a gracefull opposite locking moment...with only a 6" fence post between you and Ari Vatanen...peace and quiet resumes
Such a contrast between the silence of nature and the sheer delight of a screaming BDA engine. Truly a moment of the right sound in the right place at the right time!!!!
Come too think of it, a 1000 cc Kawasaki engined sidecar at full revs, as it struggles for traction on a speedway track sounds kind of horny too.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 11:08
He had a circuit he used, about ten or twelve miles, and all around the sound would echo. No mufflers, it was his racing car. The Dodge Weapons Carrier chassis fitted out with not one but two side valve Ford V8s, so there was a total of twelve stub exhausts emanating from under its alloy bonnet, sparks assured by aircraft magnetos.
The sound would rise and fall... a lovely sound, but not a refined sound or a rushed sound, and always a little distant. It would be a wonderful memory to one of us if we had been there. Eldred Norman was certainly a character.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 11:37
I guess the Ferrari V12 would have to be a good sound...
as for road cars... Alfa's V6 on full song makes a hell of a sound... so does the little GTA engine.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 12:26
Posted 29 June 2000 - 13:27
Soon i will post on the BB again... this time with bumpers, new steering wheel and badges.. looks a LOT better.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 14:29
Posted 29 June 2000 - 15:29
Another one bites the dust at least it isn't Ray and Gunner this time
Gunner[p][Edited by gunner on 06-29-2000]
Posted 29 June 2000 - 22:06
As aircraft have crept into the discussion, I agree the Rolls Royce Griffon creates quite a nice racket, especially if there are four of them hauling a heavily laden Avro Shackleton off the deck at full throttle, what a roar, contra rotating props throbbing as the engines resonate. However, my favourite aircraft piston engines are any of the Bristol sleeve valve air cooled radials designed by Roy Fedden. The Centaurus in particular makes a lovely swooshing noise at full power. It can still to be heard today an surviving Hawker Sea Furies. It makes a Pratt & Whitney radial sound like tin cans rattling in a barrel.
Posted 29 June 2000 - 22:17
Posted 29 June 2000 - 22:26
I've just been reading Bill Gunston's book "Piston Aero Engines" (I actually read most of it on a coach journey in Portugal a few weeks ago) and he mentioned the Nomad, but mainly in passing and the fact that it arrived at just the wrong time.
Gunston has great admiration for Roy Fedden. Many of his excellent designs were ignored by the British Air Ministry because they believed no air cooled radial engine could ever match an in-line liquid cooled engine. They changed their minds rapidly when the first Focke Wulf Fw190 fell into their hands.
Bill Gunston is aviation writing's answer to Nigel Roebuck - opinionated but honest, and I can't help myself agreeing with many of his views.
Posted 30 June 2000 - 07:18
Racing engine: The Mercedes-Benz M25 and M125 in the mid 30s before they rebuilt the supercharger/carburettor systems in 1937.
Any engine: Saab 37 Viggen/Pratt & Whitney JT8D with full afterburner on. It's more like opening a giant furnace than any engine noice. You don't hear it, you FEEL it.
Posted 30 June 2000 - 13:51
BTW Is there a greater thrill than hearing an F1 engine shriek into life and go Wailing and Barking off into the distance as the first untimed session starts at Albert Park....I wait all year for that moment
Posted 30 June 2000 - 18:40
At Monza, in 1957, Enzo Ferrari was paying his annual visit. Tony Vandervell wandered along to the Ferrari pit: "Too much power there" he said pointing to the eight megaphone exhausts of a Lancia/Ferrari, " and not enough there", pointing to the rear wheels.
With that he wnadered off, no doubt convinced he had won on points over his old rival, even though Ferrari spoke not a word of English.
He did win on the track and the Vanwalls dominated in practice and the race; see one of the pictures don posted on another thread.
Posted 30 June 2000 - 21:53
We know the answer to that, don't we... their desire is to outscream the engines (I recall this from Monaco, 81,when Gilles took the lead, the tifosi everywhere on the cliff faces), and there's no fun in that unless it's a challenge!
Posted 01 July 2000 - 11:46
There must be some science to this. Anyone an Acoustics expert?
Posted 01 July 2000 - 16:58
Posted 03 July 2000 - 10:47
Currently - very humiliating this, a 94 Skoda Favorite. Its a apoxy machine but in Ireland if you are under 50 anything with over 1 litre will cost you the cars worth in insurance, the robbing b..... anyhow it is very amusing in the wet, it doest just understeer, actually it doesnt steer, straight or stop, thats about it. So it is fun getting the thing sideways around corners, sort of. As I said I'd love a 1300 junior and its on the way.
For Modern day road engines the vtec and mivec Hondas and Mitsubishis take some beating 8500 RPM from 1600 cc, mad and screaming.......
Posted 03 July 2000 - 13:50
Posted 03 July 2000 - 14:24
You need to be pretty thick skinned to drive a Skoda, but you will have the last laugh. Did you hear the one about.........
Posted 03 July 2000 - 21:52
Not long after that I commenced using up the dregs of Peugeot 203C bits lying around the Western suburbs of Sydney.. more fun, more reliable...
None of these had the 911 vices, however, nearest I ever got to that was a 40hp VW pickup.
Posted 04 July 2000 - 06:55
Posted 04 July 2000 - 12:07
Posted 05 July 2000 - 13:19
Even better was a long silence followed by the bellow of Tony Pond's TR-8, followed by distant cheering. then the Red Rumbler comes blaring past you on full oppo lock. whilst you chear yourself (out of surprise that he got this far)and protect your face from the large boulders he showers into you as he dissappears. You can still hear the whistles and the cheers as he races through another distant fire break in the forest. EEh them wer't days.