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#1 AAA-Eagle

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 02:32

Hello! As I've written not so long ago, there is a thread 'Answer the question' on history forum of motorsport.com. The last (current) QUESTION is mine. Asking this question I remember the best ever F1 history quiz that was 'born' by Autosport magazine and was called Who? What? Where? When? and later was transformed into brilliant 8W . I think you all enjoyed it very much, and I offer you to answer my 'nostalgia 8W' question after more than two-annual absence of 8W quiz. Your answers you can also post in 'Answer the question' thread on motorsport.com. A person who will write the best answers can also asks own question to continue that thread.

So this a quiz photo that isn't hard to you:

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Who is the driver?
What is the car?
Where was the photo taken?
When was it?
Why is this photo so special (you should cover the story behind the picture)?

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#2 Twin Window

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 09:14

Brian Redman

Shadow DN3

The right-hander between Loews and Portier, Monte Carlo

Monaco GP 1974 (practice)

It was Redman's last GP

Twinny

#3 eldougo

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 09:23

:wave: Good one Twinny :up:

#4 Lec CRP1

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:08

Also a good shot showing the oxygen-pipe helmet that was first seen in 1974, after 'certain incidents' in 1973. It looks rather cumbersome too. When was it phased out?

#5 Twin Window

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 10:57

Hi Matthew

I think the first driver to use the 'medicated air' system was Denny Hulme, and that was before the end of '73. The lid Redman is using is one of the notorious Griffin helmets, complete with chin strap attachments courtesy of 'frangible' bolts. I think the Griffins were the first to have the 'medicated air' system fully incorporated into the design.

A few drivers still used the system into the 80s...

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...until complacency and weight saving took priority.

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 13:29

Exact answers Twinny :up:

1974 Monaco was also the shortest Brian's WDC race since only a few seconds he had from the start to finish this race in pile-up (unfortunately I don't have any photos of this collision).

Twinny, would you like to ask your '8W nostalgic' question in this thread? I think it will be a good fun if we continue this one ;)

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#7 Twin Window

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 13:49

Ok! :)

Who is the driver?

What is the car?

Where was the photo taken?

When was it?

Why is this photo significant?

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:up:

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 14:32

Guys, you have my blessing - and I'm sure Felix will be short of objections too. ;)

But expect that bi-annual absence of the "official" 8W to increase and increase further... :lol:

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 14:53

Originally posted by Racer.Demon


But expect that bi-annual absence of the "official" 8W to increase and increase further... :lol:

Great, if they get harder than they used to be...!  ;)

Twinny :up:

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:32

Originally posted by Twin Window
Ok! :)

Who is the driver?

What is the car?

Where was the photo taken?

When was it?

Why is this photo significant?

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Twinny :up:

Kenny Acheson, March/Toyota 803, England, 1980, he also drove a 793 on occasions?


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:34

Only the very first bit is correct, Michael...

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:36

Rats, I think I am wrong - the car has Avon tyres, didn't they still use Goodyears in 1980? Perhaps it was the old Acheson car in 1981?


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#13 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:37

Kenny in the Lola T850 (nee Toleman Tg280).
1981 Pau before he broke his leg?

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:37

Originally posted by Twin Window
Only the very first bit is correct, Michael...

Twinny :)

The "K"? :lol:


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:39

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
Kenny in the Lola T850 (nee Toleman Tg280).
1981 Pau before he broke his leg?

:aaargh: Of course! :mad:


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Posted 05 August 2004 - 17:44

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
Kenny in the Lola T850 (nee Toleman Tg280).

Yep...

1981 Pau before he broke his leg?

Nope...

Twinny :)

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 18:10

1) 23-year-old Kenny Acheson
2) Formula 2 Toleman-Lola T850-Hart (Docking Spitzley Team)
3) Mantorp Park, Sweden
4) 20 September 1981 (if the photo was taken on race day, otherwise the day before ;) )
5) marvellous comeback race for KA (after his Pau crash in June) on Avon tyres (1981 could well be the year with most tyre manufacturers in Formula 2 history)

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 18:32

Spot on, ReWind! But who took the photo...? Only kidding (it was me). The biggest clue was the helmet; Mantorp was the only time he's ever worn a livery other than his own. :up:

Yes, it was a fantastic drive, but did you know he could easily have died after the race? Stefan won in the other Docking Spitzley car, and with it being in Sweden there was a lot to celebrate all told. So there we all are, swigging the champers under the truck's awning when KA staggered out unable to breathe. He was doubled-up and his face was peuce... As the weekend had progressed, the screws in his leg pins had started to come undone and rub against the side of the monococque. In the race this became far worse, and in the truck getting changed the delayed shock hit him really hard and could have proved fatal had help not been quickly to hand.

Come the evening he was fine, thankfully, and we all went out on the razz. At one point we (Dockings) were in a modestly-sized restaurant with the works March team, Plygrange, and another team plus Eje Elgh's group! Those were the days...

When we left it was raining and the cobbled streets were very slippery, so we did the only sensible thing. We all had a reversing race in our Volvo estate hire cars... :)

It's your turn now, I believe!

Twinny :wave:

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 19:09

Originally posted by Twin Window
The biggest clue was the helmet.

For me the clue was the front tyre.

We all had a reversing race in our Volvo estate hire cars... :) It's your turn now, I believe!

My turn to do what? A reversing race? :lol:
Ask the next question? : That's a problem. I don't have any mystery photos to share with you nor do I have the means to post images yet. (Good thing is that relieves me from the © trouble.)

So I would like to pass the honour to JEREMY JACKSON who was on the right track, too.
Jeremy, if you please!

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 19:36

:cat: Can I, oh pretty please! :cat: :cat: :cat: I have one that'll have you all stumped, I guarantee!;)

[and it's even Formula One...]

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 19:38

Originally posted by fines
:cat: Can I, oh pretty please! :cat: :cat: :cat: I have one that'll have you all stumped, I guarantee!;)

[and it's even Formula One...]

The Dywa?

#22 fines

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 19:49

Naaah... :rolleyes:

I realise I actually have two of that kind, a 60s one and an 80s one - which one would you prefer?

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 19:54

Originally posted by fines
:cat: Can I, oh pretty please! :cat: :cat: :cat: I have one that'll have you all stumped, I guarantee!;)

[and it's even Formula One...]


Go for it!!

#24 fines

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 20:02

Thanks! :)

I'll start with the 80s one, 'cuz I have to dig to find out the detailed facts myself, and I actually can't remember where exactly to look for concerning the 60s pic! :blush:

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Copyright note will follow, I promise, but I can't give away any hints right now.

I take it that I won't be needed here before tomorrow again, so good night! :D

#25 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 20:30

I'll have a (sort of) try at it:

John Watson, MP4/2B . From a vague memory, circa mid-1990 somewhere in the (last official days of the) German Democratic Republic.

Anymore and I'd have to have a Google, and since that's cheating...

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Posted 05 August 2004 - 20:38

I can say that the car is McLaren MP4/2B that was used in 1985 with front wing from MP4/3 that was used in 1987 and with a livery that was used in 1988. Driver is John Watson. The year should be 1988.

#27 fines

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 21:50

Jeremy, that was very impressive! :eek:

Actually, I wanted to have more detail, like the circuit, the chassis and most of all the engine (! - any takers?;)), but it seems I killed off the enthusiasm here. Sorry! :blush: I'll let you in on the details later, when I have more time.

Now it's over to you, Jeremy! :)

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 22:43

While not wishing to kop out of this, I think I'm in the same boat as Rewind, in that I haven't got much to offer - Well I've got literally 000's that I've taken, but not much that would be a mystery to this knowledgeable lot.

Michael, what about your 60s offering?

#29 Twin Window

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 22:53

Originally posted by fines
:cat: Can I, oh pretty please! :cat: :cat: :cat: I have one that'll have you all stumped, I guarantee!;)

Originally posted by fines
I take it that I won't be needed here before tomorrow again, so good night! :D

But, just 28 minutes later...

Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
I'll have a (sort of) try at it:

John Watson, MP4/2B . From a vague memory, circa mid-1990 somewhere in the (last official days of the) German Democratic Republic.

Anymore and I'd have to have a Google, and since that's cheating...

:clap: :up: Oh, Michael - you have such little faith...!

Twinny :)

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 07:01

Originally posted by Twin Window
:clap: :up: Oh, Michael - you have such little faith...!

:D Yeah, quite obviously - I forgot this is TNF! :D :D :D

Alright, so here's the 60s one. This one is actually a race photograph, not a demonstration run. Have fun!

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 08:19

Jo Bonnier's Cooper T81 [F1-5-66] Maserati, sometime in 1966 or '67, but where.... I would guess Monza, but as he had #38 in '66 and #26 in '67, not at any of the Grands Prix...

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 08:33

Perhaps Bonnier with the Cooper T81 F1-5-66 at the Automobile Revue Cup Race, Monza on june 1967 ???

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 20:28

Or maybe Mosport, but I don't think it's likely :p

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 20:52

I reckon it's a hill climb .... that car's kicking up an awful lot of dust.

Second guess (haven't checked entry lists) - 1966 International Trophy at Silverstone. The car appears to be fitted with a Monaco nose and the IT was just a week before Monte Carlo.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 21:04

Could it be at Syracuse the 21st of May 1967?

He drove the F1-5-66 that day. :)

#36 fines

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 09:40

I give up, you simply can't dumbfound TNF... :(

Reyna, it's your turn!

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 10:11

Originally posted by fines
Reyna, it's your turn!

Here you have...
Who, What, Where, When and Why (5W) ?


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#38 Twin Window

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 10:26

Lauda testing the CMGD Beuttler March 721G in mid-1972 at Vallelunga, due to the fact he'd written off his 721 in practice. The works March team took the opportunity to try the chassis as they were thinking of dumping the 721X (and the 721) - which they duly did!

Twinny :)

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 10:33

Bugger! Beaten by a short head!!

June 18th was the race date, so presumably this was on the 17th ....

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 10:39

Originally posted by Twin Window
Lauda testing the CMGD Beuttler March 721G in mid-1972 at Vallelunga, due to the fact he'd written off his 721 in practice. The works March team took the opportunity to try the chassis as they were thinking of dumping the 721X (and the 721) - which they duly did!

Twinny :)

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... Too much easy !!!


Your turn....

#41 Twin Window

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 13:02

I think this will be rather easy too...

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Who, what, where & when?

Twinny :)

#42 Vitesse2

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 20:47

Based on the white lid and the number 7 - Stirling Moss demonstrating a Brabham BT45 somewhere? It's obviously taken on a city street, but I'm not knowledgable enough on mid-70s stuff to get any further .....

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 21:05

Well the 1976 BT45's wore, IIRC, the numbers 7 & 8. Is it a Birmingham run? Not sure who is driving though and wonder if they had a sore neck with that camera by the side of their helmet?

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 21:24

You're almost there, Ruairidh; but who was the driver? And it wasn't Moss...

Twinny :)

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 21:44

Sorry - only wild guess would be Larry Perkins but this looks like an early season BT45 and I didn't think he was contracted until later in '76.

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 21:57

You're correct about it being an early (1976) season shot - and that Perkins was hired later in the year. But it ain't him in the photo...!

Twinny :)

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 22:08

Oh shoot, now you got me interested. And I cannae find anything in the 1976 mags I can get my hands on quickly. But I wonder if the driver was not better known for exploits on 2 wheels?

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 22:12

To the best of my knowledge, you're barking up the wrong tree...

Twinny (a friendly - 'southern' - Border Reiver! :wave: )

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 22:24

Well, the obvious answer would be Reutemann, as that was his number in 1976. But no doubt it ain't the obvious .... :rolleyes:

Twinny: obviously you must be from south of the Cheviots, but which side of the Pennines?

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Posted 08 August 2004 - 22:37

Originally posted by Vitesse2


Twinny: obviously you must be from south of the Cheviots, but which side of the Pennines?

The EAST, man!

Twinny  ;)

(Alnwick; County town of Northumberland) :up: