DTM at Helsinki: the track
Posted 06 September 2004 - 20:19
I've made some suppositions...(near Ruoholahti...maybe?) and all them are wrong (I've been in Helsinki only once and only for 10 days)! So I beg for the help of some "indigenous" TNF dweller!
Posted 06 September 2004 - 20:34
Perhaps not, but whatever, you're not a "Gong" fan are you? Flying teapot and all that?
Posted 07 September 2004 - 07:11
And MCS...of course I'm Gong-addicted! Daevid Allen Rules!
Posted 07 September 2004 - 13:45
Posted 07 September 2004 - 15:40
Remember that the DTM at the time included the Rosberg Opel team plus JJ Lehto behind the wheel, so there was plenty of home interest.
Originally posted by MCS
wasn't this German incursion of Finnish motor sport somewhat resented
Posted 08 September 2004 - 06:00
Originally posted by Spunout
Helsinki Thunder races were very succesful.
Considering I was unable to find a ticket for the Sunday race in 1995 and had to settle for qualifying only, it couldn't have been too bad.
In 1997 the idiotic Robert Lappalainen changed ticket dealer from an establised one to a "by phone only" one, starting their business that same day. Of course it could be profitable to have the customer to wait at the phone for 40 minutes with the minutes ticking off at 2 Fmk per minute but in the end that greed backfired completely, (especially as it took another 40 minutes to print out the ticket when you went to clame it). Totally amateurish! Then Robert Lappalainen had the guts to blame everything on the F3000 race, claiming that FIA had forced him to include it in the programme and that the Finns aren't interesting in Formula racing! Considering that the F3000 race was hardly even mentioned in the advertising, Lappalainen concentrating totally on the Fia GT instead, that was complete bulls**t. (The F3000 teams also said after the race that they had never been treated so badly before in their life and they would think twice before returning.) Lappalainen had also promised a GT field of some 30-40 cars. Well, the race happened a week or two before Le Mans so you guess what happened.
Anyway, here is a map:
Trotting track. Dirt track in the 30s - 50s
1995-97, Formula 3000, DTM, ITC, GT
Keimola/Käinby is off map some 20 Km North of downtown.
Posted 08 September 2004 - 06:16
Posted 08 September 2004 - 14:53
The sudden demise of the (in general terms) very successful races at the Helsinki port always mystified me. The racing press of the time - Eurosport, Autosport, Sport-Auto - were just short of calling Robert Lappalainen a marketing and promotions genius, but I should have been smarter and realize from previous experiences that what race promoters do well is to promote themselves...
Noticeably, I also recall that the several Formula 3000 teams complained that they had never worked under such poor conditions - many of them had no compressed air nor water in their pits; I also understood from a former F-3000 mechanic that the "control of the power switch was in hands of someone probably turning it on and off at will". Also, wasn't Yannick Dalmas who said had never seen so much people - with or without credentials - in the pit area?
These sort of comments surprised me. They contradicted what I could see on tv and read on magazines - that the race was a major success in all aspects -, but now Leif sheds a little more light onto that. Probably there were a lot of errors (quite normal in the first years of a race, particularly when ran in a temporary circuit - don't even tell me, I know that first hand...) that were not corrected as much effort was put on PR-ing and self-promotion. Oh well, we have seen that time and again.
This is quite a pity: Finland does deserve other major international racing events besides the traditional WRC stop. New Zealand is the only other nation to have a Formula 1 world champion to have never held a Formula 1 race (valid for the World Championship). And the Finnish fans are great (had the pleasure of meeting several nice fellows in the Belgian GP, American GP and other races). Personally I would much prefer to see a Formula 1 race there rather then in Kozumenistan, grabbed thanks to the local laws regarding tobacco sponsorship...
Posted 08 September 2004 - 18:23
Thank you for the map, Leif...it saves me from further work to locate the other tracks in Helsinki's area.
[I] Originally posted by Leif Snellman [/|]
here is a map
Posted 08 September 2004 - 21:09