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[TailG]

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Originally posted by Menace


;)

So much for the non-existant drug problem.

Uhhuh, maybe you should consider the fact that drug offence in Finland is different to drug offence in U.S??

[TailG]

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Originally posted by mr. handsome


Vuorikatu, huh? How about a cup of coffee sometime?

About being scared in some parts of the city, or okay, let's say extremely uncomfortable, while that feeling may not apply to 46,6 % of the population of Helsinki, it does to a large degree to 53,4% . And, Railway Square area is the number 1 place to confront crime in Helsinki.

You know why that's the no.1 place to confront crime? Because it's fully of non-finns, there are russians, estonians, somalis, arabs, vietnamese gangs hanging out there. You won't see many ethnic finns there terrorizing people.

[Tomerell]

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I canceled my Mercedes-Benz 500 SEL order after read ing that quality magazine People story. My important customers do not want to be associated with business partners that drive cars that are associated with brands that are associated with F1 teams that are associated with drivers who exhibit such behaviour.
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This was a good one...because for the very same reasons I canceled my Ferrari F430 order last week after reading BE's new deal with F1 team associated with the...

[Menace]

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Originally posted by TailG


Uhhuh, maybe you should consider the fact that drug offence in Finland is different to drug offence in U.S??

Yes, in U.S. they show less tolerance no matter what the drug.

[Melbourne Park]

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Originally posted by MrSlow
...I've heard that in Russia, beer is not considered an alcoholic bewerage by most people.

In England, the population drink ale, no water at all. Except for the aristocracy, who prefer wine.

Of course, I speak of the 13th century ...

[zfh10]

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Originally posted by Group B
zfh10, since you appear to think it utterly hilarious that there should be any connection between employers/sponsors and someone's private life, can I ask you a question?

Imagine you run a business in a nice little friendly family town, let's say a fast food place called "Zed's Grits". One of your employees, Bob, also competes at the town's popular car racing dirt oval, and you pay him to have "Zed's Grits" written all over his tuned up station wagon. One morning Bob comes in a couple of hours late, half awake, vomits in the grits pan and spends the morning screwing up orders and giving the wrong change. Then, the morning paper arrives and on the front page is a picture of Bob from last weeks big race, standing next to his "Zeds Grits" station wagon; above is the headline "Local Racer In Public Drunken Sex Shame". The lurid story below tells of Bob's drunken romp in a lap dancing club, masturbating in front of the dancers and other patrons, causing a big fracas before being removed; and all this from a newly-wed with a young wife.

Would you be happy to hand over your next months sponsoship money for the "Zeds Grits" station wagon while young Mrs Jones sat in the corner with her two children trying to keep her handbag over the paper that long time regular old Mr Peterson left on the table in disgust?

I assume you would

As Kimi and Jenni have recently been quoted as saying (see above), it appears to be a media stunt that is mostly fiction. Hence my mirth. While several people have been practising the sport of extreme tut-tutting and moralising from on high, the more sensible ones here have had a chuckle and have realised that:
1.) the story is just that. Fiction.
and
2.) If true (and it is not ), big deal. Apart from my personal views, lets look at it from a more objective point of view. Tell me what happened to Clinton's approval rating after his little indiscretion? Or Hugh Grant's career? People like fallability in their celebrities!

[holiday]

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Originally posted by Menace


Thanks Silver! Put's it all in perspective pretty well.

Yeah, especially that part: "A non-deodorised Raikkonen would not get far in today's formula one, and particularly at McLaren, his current team, a stainless and humourless bunch. Thanks God, they have finally build up a replacement for Ronzo to provide us with entertainment, albeit with unintended one.

[babe]

Whilst II think its perfectly acceptable for Kimi to let off steam, this hasn't been good publicity for him. And with all due respect- he should be able to let off steam without getting into all the tabloid papers.

[HP]

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Originally posted by zfh10
People like fallability in their celebrities!

... and are enraged when persons they dislike do the same... Consider your comments on MS

[IAM]

Someone once said "no publicity is bad publicity" Anyway you read it, it's correct. But again that's just my opinion.

Kimi has been talked about, all his sponsors have been named or talked about.....................probably more than normal.

Ian

[Spunout]

"Yes, in U.S. they show less tolerance no matter what the drug."



That was a good one



Yeah if you live in Helsinki railway station you can say Finland is not a safe country. But even the worst places in Helsinki are close to paradise compared to the worst places in USA. Harlem of Finland? Give me a break. That´s like saying Michael Schumacher is Alex Yoong of Germany.

And of course, if you don´t live in Helsinki chances are you have to travel hundreds of kilometres to find a place where it is unsafe to walk after 10 PM. You think boozing, bar fights and few idiots smoking dope behind the corner are big problems? I mean compared to LSD, guns and gang fights?

Also, if you want to compare two countries (or cities) using the worst places in Helsinki as an example, you should compare them to the worst places of New York or Madrid ;)

Last but not least I am not trying to knock US or any other country, bigger countries tend to have bigger problems. Sure we have our problems too, like everyone else. But the truth is Finland is still one of the safest countries in the world.

Overall your views puzzle me - big time. Have you really lived in Finland? The dark picture you paint has very little to do with the country where I have lived all my life. And it seems the same applies to everyone else here. Strange.

So far every single foreigner who I´ve met has been impressed by the level of safety we enjoy here. People from USA, UK, Spain, Italy, and so on. They haven´t been impressed by our drinking habits, though

[Menace]

Touche.

I never made half the comparisons you claim...

You can credit that to posters who took my view out of context... Like yourself!

My only point was, Finnish youth uses excess amounts of alcohol and then gets in to stupid brawls. I never claimed Finland was a more dangerous place then US... did I? The things that were said about drugs is what irked me on this thread, cause the higher then mighty PC crew from Finland jumped in as soon as Finns & alchol abuse were brought up... why so touche I might ask?



My comparisons between regular night life found in Finland & UK, vs. many other places (with higher crime rates, slums bla bla bla bla) still stands.

[Menace]

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Originally posted by Spunout
"Yes, in U.S. they show less tolerance no matter what the drug."



That was a good one



Overall your views puzzle me - big time. Have you really lived in Finland? The dark picture you paint has very little to do with the country where I have lived all my life. And it seems the same applies to everyone else here. Strange.

So far every single foreigner who I´ve met has been impressed by the level of safety we enjoy here. People from USA, UK, Spain, Italy, and so on. They haven´t been impressed by our drinking habits, though

Overall safety no problem. This whol thread turned into this crap about alcohol and drugs when a foreigner who had visited Finland dared to say that he perceived that Finland had bunch of youth drinking on public places and causing trouble.

I never made any comparisons to ANY slum around the world, so those points are taken totally out of context... dare I say reactionary childishness by some people who felt like they had the right to get offended because somebody dared to point out the obvious: which is Finnish youth drinks a hell of a lot when they drink, and regularly make an ass of themselves on public places by doing that. That's not too hard to comprehend, now is it?

Finland is a VERY safe place to live, but street brawls between bunch of drunken idiots are much more common on the public places there then in many other places I have cisited/lived. THAT was the whole point, not that Finland was a crime filled unsafe place to raise your kids! It's all got to do with culture, and in Finnish culture drinking alcohol is looked at much more light heartedly then say places in US where you go to jail for drinking in public places (read downtown on fron of everyone on the streets) and where the legal age to drink in the first place is 21.

Nothing too controversial in what was said in this thread.

[fastlegs]

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Originally posted by Menace


Overall safety no problem. This whol thread turned into this crap about alcohol and drugs when a foreigner who had visited Finland dared to say that he perceived that Finland had bunch of youth drinking on public places and causing trouble.

I never made any comparisons to ANY slum around the world, so those points are taken totally out of context... dare I say reactionary childishness by some people who felt like they had the right to get offended because somebody dared to point out the obvious: which is Finnish youth drinks a hell of a lot when they drink, and regularly make an ass of themselves on public places by doing that. That's not too hard to comprehend, now is it?

Finland is a VERY safe place to live, but street brawls between bunch of drunken idiots are much more common on the public places there then in many other places I have cisited/lived. THAT was the whole point, not that Finland was a crime filled unsafe place to raise your kids! It's all got to do with culture, and in Finnish culture drinking alcohol is looked at much more light heartedly then say places in US where you go to jail for drinking in public places (read downtown on fron of everyone on the streets) and where the legal age to drink in the first place is 21.

Nothing too controversial in what was said in this thread.

Well said!

[Nasty McBastard]

isnt going to jail for public drinking slightly excessive?

gotta laugh when some places are so eager to throw people in jail, and then moan and carry on when the govt wants to build a new prison in their back yard coz of overcrowding.


but anyway....as to the original topic... i still say 'who cares?'

[ivanalesi]

Depends on the state, but in the US you do get arrested for drinking actually a beer(and by my means, there are no beers in the US, its kind of pee) on the street at 5am. This is a true story, with a friend of mine, some $150 lost...

[Spunout]

"My only point was, Finnish youth uses excess amounts of alcohol and then gets in to stupid brawls. I never claimed Finland was a more dangerous place then US... did I? The things that were said about drugs is what irked me on this thread, cause the higher then mighty PC crew from Finland jumped in as soon as Finns & alchol abuse were brought up... why so touche I might ask?"

Had you stopped to drinking and random brawls you would have been close to the truth. But you didn´t. I generally don´t care if someone mocks my country a bit, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion anyway. But I try my best to correct claims that simply aren´t true

And I didn´t jump in as Finns and alcohol abuse was brought up. That happened when you started talking bollocks about more serious problems, like drugs. But then again any 16-year old knows kannabis doesn´t really affect driving, right?;)

"I never made any comparisons to ANY slum around the world, so those points are taken totally out of context... dare I say reactionary childishness by some people who felt like they had the right to get offended because somebody dared to point out the obvious: which is Finnish youth drinks a hell of a lot when they drink, and regularly make an ass of themselves on public places by doing that. That's not too hard to comprehend, now is it?"

Has anyone really tried to deny this? Quote please. Any footage from Finnish rock festivals proves this true anyway. Certain well known foreign musician called it a war zone, casualties lying everywhere...

"Finland is a VERY safe place to live, but street brawls between bunch of drunken idiots are much more common on the public places there then in many other places I have cisited/lived. THAT was the whole point, not that Finland was a crime filled unsafe place to raise your kids! It's all got to do with culture, and in Finnish culture drinking alcohol is looked at much more light heartedly then say places in US where you go to jail for drinking in public places (read downtown on fron of everyone on the streets) and where the legal age to drink in the first place is 21."

Good points. Of course in some places 18-year old can drive a car or buy a handgun. But not a pack of beer. I´d rather have our system but that´s my opinion, not the word of God. How about our driver license system, gun laws and US age limit for buying alcohol? Sounds good to me.



"Nothing too controversial in what was said in this thread."

Nothing too controversial in what you say NOW...

[Menace]

BS.



Finland stil has a drug problem whether you like to admit it or not. Just like everywhere else...

For the record, I smoke (weed) and drink beer regularly, so I have no problems dealing with the reality.

Now, I grew up in Finland and thats where I picked on the habit which has stayed with me for now... I dont care to argue about this anymore, but if you think Finland doesn't have a "drug problem" or finnish youth doesn't smoke dope and do speed extasy and heroin you are just fooling yourself.

Oh by the way, it's my country too.


Thats the last I have to say for this matter.

[Niro]

Thank you. And now back to the studio.

[ivanalesi]

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Originally posted by Menace
BS.



Finland stil has a drug problem whether you like to admit it or not. Just like everywhere else...

For the record, I smoke (weed) and drink beer regularly, so I have no problems dealing with the reality.

Now, I grew up in Finland and thats where I picked on the habit which has stayed with me for now... I dont care to argue about this anymore, but if you think Finland doesn't have a "drug problem" or finnish youth doesn't smoke dope and do speed extasy and heroin you are just fooling yourself.

Oh by the way, it's my country too.


Thats the last I have to say for this matter.

Well, I havent been to Finland, but i doubt their problem is any worse than USA's, actually I doubt there is a country which is worse in this matter... Bulgaria has the same problems in the big cities too, and i think that all Eastern European coutries do have it, I have heard that Poland and CZ where really bad, but now they have improved a lot... I think its a lot down to the iconomic situation in the given area.

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