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#1 Don Capps

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Posted 17 November 1999 - 04:07

Those who were around Back Then or those who catch the odd song or two on the local oldies station remember hearing the Youngbloods sing their plea to "get together." {Not to be confused with another certain singing group and its release "Come Together" which said about the same thing...} Well, when I read something today, that song sprang to mind.

At the risk of putting myself in the doghouse again ("Move Over Rover, I'm Coming Over" Saint Jimi Hendrix), something that SalutGilles wrote just hit me as a fundamental problem that seems to form the basis of how we operate these days in forums like this one:

So I'm not going to rule out any era. they're all different, but they're all good, in their own respect, I guess.


Wow! I think is what some of us having trying to say about some things in racing on various fora over the past months and years. Life is not always Zero Sum. My liking Driver X does not mean that I dislike Driver Y. Or that one has to like or dislike anything.

Liking Nuvolari did (does) not mean disliking Varzi. It should only mean that perhaps you like Tazio a bit better than Achille, but they are both great drivers. I would extend this analogy into the current world of F1 since, hopefully, many of the fans on AtlasF1 will stick with racing for years to come.

There was not a veil over the eyes of many in the past to the strengths & weaknesses of many racing drivers. Giuseppe Farina could be a right mean sumbitch as could others (one of my favorites, Fearless John Surtees, could melt stainless steel at 50 meters with a mere glance when Annoyed). But this didn't mean that we didn't "like" or "dislike" them, it was only a matter of degree -- and we were very naive back then as well I reckon. We just looked at whole thing in term of just liking one driver a tad more than another and not disliking any of them.

Like it or not, each era -- however you define them -- has its strengths and weaknesses and they are simply different. Time and again we return to the frame of reference that shaped our view racing. For me, it is the mid-1950's onward, others the 60's and so on right up to today. Different should not equal bad. New should not equal good or better or bad or worse. Old should not equal good or better or bad or worse.

While I may not be overly enthralled with the current product of F1, Inc., believe or not I don't hate it. I am just disappointed since it is not living up to its potential. Then again, not much ever does, including the past. Things change whether we like the changes or not. Sometimes we adjust and move on, sometimes we just move on.

Different doesn't mean either better or worse, just different. There is an all too frequent tendancy to polarize things in life as alluded to earlier: Life as a Zero Sum game. In truth, Life is usually a Non-zero Sum game. There can be many Good Things just as there can be many Bad Things simultaneously.

Just because someone's frame of reference is limited doesn't mean that is a fault, it simply means that they have more opportunities to learn. Just because someone likes a certain type of racing doesn't mean that he or she should consider other forms as unworthy of consideration or respect. The F1 racing of Today is radically different from the Grand Prix racing of 1939 or 1959 or even 1979. Different, not better or worse, just different.

No one is asking that we like or dislike it, just that we, as SalutGilles said, realize that and judge thngs on their merits to the best of our ability.

And we will now pass the collection plate...

Sorry, didn't mean to preach, which always get me into hot water and into the dog house these days.

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#2 Fast One

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Posted 17 November 1999 - 04:34

Don--

Well put by both you and SalutGilles! The longer we watch racing, the more "eras" we are exposed to. We look back on the past as if it's eras were pieces, but at the time, the transitions are seamless (with the exception of wars, etc.). Often we tend to like the way things were when we first started following racing, because that's what excited our passion. We regret the eras we missed and dismiss the later ones as not up to snuff. Thirty years from now, SalutGilles will recall wistfully the good old days of the McLaren/Ferrari wars. But thats good! The torches we curmudgeons carry get passed on at the appropriate time to the chosen among the following generations, those for whom books are not enough, who want to feel what we felt when we saw those BRMs and Maserati 250s of our youth.

Yet SG reminded me of something I hadn't noticed: how excited I get watching Hakkinen turn one of those last minute flyers in qualifying, how I love to hate MS, and the almost religious awe I felt this year watching the sun rise between the Lesmos. We all have our favorite eras, but for all of its faults, todays F1 still thrills more than anything else available today.

SG has something you and I haven't felt for years: the absolute soul-grabbing thrill of the AWAKENING of the passion for motor racing.

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#3 Don Capps

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Posted 17 November 1999 - 04:57

Well put, Fasty.

I guess many are shocked to realize that we really don't or even dislike this or that, or even lack the passion for it, it is simply we react differently.

Hoooah!

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#4 Don Capps

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Posted 18 November 1999 - 00:12

Ten or so years from now, folks on this forum will be nodding their heads up & down in agreement about how good the Schumachers, Hakkinen, Jacques Villeneuve, Damon Hill, et al., were in...their day. :)

And, after reading over the End of Season reports on the Main Page, I found myself thinking that 1999 really was better than I realized. It still isn't completely my cuppa, but it was still a pretty good effort and far better than many past seasons. If 1998 was like 1952, then 1999 was kinda like 1958 in reverse. After I thought about it that way, it make more sense to me. I am a tad slow... ;)

Lest some think I am being drawn over to the Dark Side, fear not. You simply have to accept thngs on their own terms. Seen in that light, 1999 was was a pretty good year. I am even starting to wonder about 2000...

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#5 Dennis David

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Posted 18 November 1999 - 00:26

Don - There may be hope for you yet ;-)

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#6 arttidesco

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 21:32

Looking back on 1999 from 2010, 1999 was a very good year but I still struggle to understand how Haekkinen managed to convert 11 poles into only 5 wins but it turned out that 5 was enough.

The highlight of that season for me was Johnny Herberts victory in Germany, I think he said something to Murray like 'Tell my daughter at home that today her Daddy is the Man' priceless :-)

An amazing win for the Stewarts too after building their own stairway of talent from FF trough F3, F3000 and finally F1 :-)

Edited by arttidesco, 18 May 2010 - 21:33.