8W for November the Guesses
#1
Posted 30 November 1999 - 21:51
Here are my guesses as to the answers for the November Game. Feel free to agree or disagree, comment or question them:
The Pre-War pix:
#1: Whitney Straight, Maserati 8CM (chassis 3012), entrant Whitney Straight, GP de Monaco/ Monte Carlo, 2 April 1934; Straight fnished the race in 4th place.
#2: Dick Seaman, Maserati V8Ri (chassis 4502), entrant Officine Alfieri Maserati, GP von Deutschland/ Nurburgring, 26 July 1936; 1st GP for Seaman who retired the V8Ri with brake problems, but then shared the 4CM of Carlo Trossi to finish in 8th place.
The 1950's pix:
#1: No 24 Geoff Crossley, Alta GP (chassis GP2), entrant Geoffrey Crossley & no 23 Joe Kelly, Alta GP (chassis GP3), entrant Joseph Kelly, RAC British GP/ European GP/ Silverstone, 13 May 1950; the first round in the first FIA World Championship for Drivers.
#2: Stuart Lewis-Evans, Connaught B Type (chassis B3), entrant Connaught Engineering, GP de Monaco/ Monte Carlo, 19 May 1957; the Toothpaste car, finished 4th.
The 1960's pix:
#1: Mike Hailwood, Lotus 25-BRM P56 (chassis R3), entrant Reg Parnell (Racing), GP de Monaco/ Monte Carlo, 10 May 1964; Mike the Bike finished 6th, his first WDC points.
#2: John Surtees, Ferrari 158 (chassis 0005), entrant North American Racing Team, US GP/ Watkins Glen, 4 October 1964; Surtees finishes 2nd in car in NART colors due to disagreement by Ferrari over homologation of the 250LM as a GT car.
The 1970's pix:
#1: Carlos "Lole" Reutemann, Brabham BT34-Ford DFV (chassis 34/1), entrant Motor Racing Developments, GP de la Republica Argentina/ Buenos Aires, 23 January 1972; in his first WDC event Lole starts from the pole and finishes 7th for new owner B.C. Ecclestone.
#2: Conny Andersson, Surtees TS19-Ford DFV (chassis 19/02), entrant Team Surtees, GP van Nederland/ Zandvoort, 29 August 1976; Swedish F3 ace subs for Brett Lunger, but retires with engine failure.
The 1980's pix:
#1: Kevin Cogan, Tyrrell 010-Ford DFV (chassis 010/1), US GP West/ Long Beach, 15 March 1991; Cogan fails to qualify by 0.071 second becoming the first works Tyrrell driver to be a DNQ in the first race under the Concorde Agreement.
#2: Geoff Lees, Theodore TR3-Ford DFV (chassis TY01), Canadian GP/ Montreal, 27 June 1982; Lees subs for the injured Jan Lammers, but taken out in the accident that results in the death of Paletti and does not participate in the restart.
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Yr fthfl & hmbl srvnt,
Don Capps
[This message has been edited by Don Capps (edited 11-30-1999).]
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#2
Posted 01 December 1999 - 19:26
Differences (from memory, as I don't have my entry here at work):
Pre-war #1 : Tim Birkin, Monaco 1933 ... the Blower Bentley man
60's #1 : Chris Amon, Mexico 1963
Especially the 60's one was my own private hell, more a question of
ruling out other possibilities than a matter of solving the picture.
#3
Posted 01 December 1999 - 22:29
But are you sure that is Geoff Lees, Don?
I guess you will know by tomorrow night.
Mattijs
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#4
Posted 01 December 1999 - 23:00
NO!
I left this one until the absolute last possible moment and then covered the waterfront with possible answers. Indeed, I started to skip this group, and this picture in particular, entirely, but felt I should at least try. I ended up guessing frankly, basing it on what I could make out of the helmet. It could have Argentina or France or Canada 1981 or several other races in 1982 or 1983; or it could have been Marc Surer. I really didn't devote a great deal of effort to it and with the clock ticking down just picked one, threw something together and sent it out.
I really don't get too excited about these 1980's pix since I really don't have my notes all that organized for these races. Only so many hours in a day. I tend to concentrate on the period from the 1920's through the 1970's and a little into the 1980's. Just the opposite of 99% of todays fans I imagine; they know the 90's and I am generally clueless since all the tracks and cars generally look the same to me.
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#5
Posted 02 December 1999 - 06:35
Hey, at least I tried! And, I am crazy enough to blab my errors in public. I almost went with Marc Surer at Canada in 1981, but then I looked at it again and wimped out and flipped a coin - literally - and it said no, so I tried again (and again) and decided on Canada 1982. Real science here!
But it is a Theodore so give me some credit. Well, it is a Teddy car, right?
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Don Capps
[This message has been edited by Don Capps (edited 12-01-1999).]
#6
Posted 02 December 1999 - 06:47
The Theodore, the very non-Surer helmet, the fitting story...real nasty one
#7
Posted 02 December 1999 - 07:19
That is one of those free points 8W always gives away. Just as we do with the Tyrrell decal right there on that No.4 car's nose.
Still, Lees and Canada fit both helmet and weather, so you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself. You weren't the only one... you'll be surprised that at least some of the 99% of today's fans who were playing the game were confused as well.
Not as much as with the picture you attribute to Straight, though! Being the kid on the 8W Team, I would have scored zero on that one myself. I just have Leif do that stuff - my credit is for persuading Leif to do it :-). Having said that, I'm on a pre-war crash course these days. My interest has truly been sparked, and some very old geezers are responsible for that...
Mattijs
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#8
Posted 02 December 1999 - 08:57
'80s- I think the Tyrrell is Bellof at either Detroit or Dallas, 1984.
The Theodore is Tommy Byrne at Hockenheim, 1982. His first opportunity at F1, DNQ.
#9
Posted 02 December 1999 - 09:19
#10
Posted 02 December 1999 - 09:59
The Michelob sponsership clinches it as Cogan's car, right? A one shot deal for the home GP?
The picture I found of Rick Mears testing Piquet's Brabham at Riverside would make a good one if allowed (it wasn't technically at a GP weekend)
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#11
Posted 02 December 1999 - 10:48
Other than that I think did okay. One of these days I will actually get both 80's pix correct, but don't count on it!
Damn 80's are really a mystery to me in many ways since I dropped out of following F1 about then. I continued to get Autocourse each year, but that was about it. I lucked into some books a few years ago on the 80's period - the FOCA annuals and two other annuals - but I doubt that I have opened them more than a few times since I got them. I have the Autosports from about 1986 onward - earlier ones from 1974-79 and 1981-85 mostly being lost in moves.
I certainly am not a big fan of the era. This is when I really became a bigger NASCAR fan and a big CART & IMSA fan to be honest. F1 and Group C just didn't do anything for me.
As for the Teddy car, now I am really wondering who the hell it is? I started off confused with it and stayed that way.
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Don Capps
#12
Posted 03 December 1999 - 08:12
#13
Posted 03 December 1999 - 22:17
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Don Capps
[This message has been edited by Don Capps (edited 12-03-1999).]
#14
Posted 04 December 1999 - 00:20
The Autosport Quiz revels in such obscure testing pics. At 8W however, we don't do that. We don't want you to do the impossible, so we only use pictures from World Championship events. Plus every picture needs to have enough clues to get the answer: track background, helmet colours, starting number, etc.
But if we get too many ties at the front, we could always introduce a Testing Decider, to sort the men from the boys... ;-)
Mattijs
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#15
Posted 04 December 1999 - 00:26
Don and rest, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but there's a connection between the subjects in the two 1980s pictures. I just came across a Forix picture of Cogan driving for Theodore!
#16
Posted 04 December 1999 - 01:10
Mattijs, I doubt that many of us needed that Decider this month ;) . I wish you would bring it back and make it entirely random and perhaps just general odd-ball stuff from WDC, non-WDC, whatever, a fun thing and a Real head-stratcher. Just a thought.
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Don Capps
#17
Posted 04 December 1999 - 01:12
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Don Capps
#18
Posted 04 December 1999 - 08:07
OTOH, the link between pre-war pics is extremely intentional though (even in several ways), and so is that of the 50s and 60s! Yes, also in several ways...
Don: you want odd-ball? Just wait and see when the Millennium edition starts. You might see a return of that famed Decider. And it's in your ball park!
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