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[BlackVoid]

It is really sad, I have been an F1 fan for 20 years. This year, I stopped watching, becuase F1 is EXTREMELY DULL. No action on track at all. I am still interested in F1, but it is pointless to watch the race. I just read the results on the net. What is the point of watching, when nothing happens on the track. Yes, the cars go around, burn a lot of fuel but thats it. I can also watch the traffic on the nearby highway LIVE! With overtakings!

As fans we should take action to make F1 more interesting. What about starting a petition, have it signed by thousands of people online and then send it off to Bernie?

[zac510]

Bye!

[Mox]

[Chubby_Deuce]

Maybe you missed the part where they tried the whole "Create more passing in F1" thing..

Anyhow, I doubt you'll be missed.

[Mauseri]

Go watch Nascar and don't come back

[WHITE]

Originally posted by BlackVoid
It is really sad, I have been an F1 fan for 20 years. This year, I stopped watching, becuase F1 is EXTREMELY DULL. No action on track at all. I am still interested in F1, but it is pointless to watch the race. I just read the results on the net. What is the point of watching, when nothing happens on the track. Yes, the cars go around, burn a lot of fuel but thats it. I can also watch the traffic on the nearby highway LIVE! With overtakings!

As fans we should take action to make F1 more interesting. What about starting a petition, have it signed by thousands of people online and then send it off to Bernie?

I understand your disappointment !

Stop watching races, may be a good way of pressing F1 to embark on changes towards more competition at tracks. In other words, racing. But, on a recent pole, many people said nothing would make them give up watching F1 so, perhaps we have no more than what we deserve

[Hiatt]

It is the same as with smoking: If you are going to quit - don't make announcements!;)

New flavour is coming up 2008, maybe it will taste better?

I do understand you however, I feel silly watching the races and even sillier posting on this board, but it takes a while to get all the poison out when you are addicted. Maybe we should start a organisation?

[tifosi]

Originally posted by WHITE
But, on a recent pole, many people said nothing would make them give up watching F1 so, perhaps we have no more than what we deserve

I used to think that. And then I watched Silverstone. Hopefully this isn't a foretelling of things to come, but what happens when they freeze engine development and we don't even have the hope of thinking some team may have found something?

You're correct though. We get what we deserve. F1 is making millions (billions?) hand over fist, their is simply no reason whatsoever for Max or Bernie to change their strategy.

[CDNgrl]

I find it boring too. I don't ever miss a race, only difference now is that I sometimes fall asleep watching it.

[kenny]

What is the difference with 2001-2002-2004-2005...?

If it is so dull, you should have stopped watching in 2001 then...

[logic]

Originally posted by BlackVoid
It is really sad, I have been an F1 fan for 20 years. This year, I stopped watching, becuase F1 is EXTREMELY DULL. No action on track at all. I am still interested in F1, but it is pointless to watch the race. I just read the results on the net. What is the point of watching, when nothing happens on the track. Yes, the cars go around, burn a lot of fuel but thats it. I can also watch the traffic on the nearby highway LIVE! With overtakings!

As fans we should take action to make F1 more interesting. What about starting a petition, have it signed by thousands of people online and then send it off to Bernie?

It is disappointing yes.
I did not watch any session of Silverstone, first time since 98 I could do it, and I did not feel to miss anything. Layer I read race comments and I felt the excitement eeven without watching tv-feed and the problem really is that we are addicted to it even though we do not like it. I do not want to quit watching f1 in angry way. If you leave relationship slamming doors, you are not ready to depart.

If we feel like F1 is not giving us what we really want in our life, it is good place to examine values. It is that you want to repeat the same procedure every second week. Be excited, have expectations, hope for your favourite driver do good job, enjoy race, be happy with result, etc.. there just is so many parameters that we can't affect and we still would like to be in a way that satisfies us. So there is not really a lot man can do. If every weekend is affecting your own health negatively, I respect decicion to not wanting to repeat this stressfull manouver.

Really, F1 weekend, what does it really mean. On basic level there are few people driving circles and doing what the most want in their lives and millions of people watching them do it. It just feels so absurd. I think people should more build their own lives and use their energy to become something over lifetime, not just hang around and get addicted to thing that really do mean nothing in the end. It is just another addiction that we cannot quit easily.

So you are wery welcome to do what you find is best for yourself. But if you do it in disappointment, I would guess when the disappointment is over, then you have real test to stay away from what you have been doing for so long (?)

[Calorus]

Well, since the Aero regulations will be lagely unchanged - CDG or no - and the technical aspect in any practical areas will have been deleted, what will be left?

[magicalonso]

Originally posted by kenny
What is the difference with 2001-2002-2004-2005...?

If it is so dull, you should have stopped watching in 2001 then...

Actually this season has seen more exciting battles for the lead (Bahrain, Imola, Nürburgring, Monaco) than most other recent years.

[logic]

Originally posted by kenny
What is the difference with 2001-2002-2004-2005...?

If it is so dull, you should have stopped watching in 2001 then...

But we are addicted!! The leaders in F1 know that and they are changing rules to trap us again. They totally control us.

[kenny]

Originally posted by logic

But we are addicted!! The leaders in F1 know that and they are changing rules to trap us again. They totally control us.

ofcourse we are!

That's the whole point... even when it is soooo dull , we still watch, and still wake up 5AM to watch the Japanese Gp...
I guess we all still hope to turn on that tv, and to see 'THE 'race...
We can hope can't we

[PhilKerr]

F1 is crap now but I am too addicted from watching it for so long to stop

[Mauseri]

Originally posted by logic
But we are addicted!! The leaders in F1 know that and they are changing rules to trap us again. They totally control us.

What it is that F1 offers we are addicted to? The excitement and adrenaline we feel in it?

Yet all say it's so booring ...

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by micra_k10

What it is that F1 offers we are addicted to? The excitement and adrenaline we feel in it?

Yet all say it's so booring ...

The memory put a saint in every dream.

[lukywill]

follow f1 these days is to be updated with political news and join time living from f1.com to get some results.
it´s been boring for years now. at least this year it´s alonso and renault who´s winning.

[ehagar]

Originally posted by BlackVoid
[B]It is really sad, I have been an F1 fan for 20 years. This year, I stopped watching, becuase F1 is EXTREMELY DULL. No action on track at all. I am still interested in F1, but it is pointless to watch the race. I just read the results on the net. What is the point of watching, when nothing happens on the track. Yes, the cars go around, burn a lot of fuel but thats it. I can also watch the traffic on the nearby highway LIVE! With overtakings!
B]

The last 3-4 years I have been watching out of tradition. I used to get up at 5 am without fail and watch the race. I can't be bothered anymore. I tried to watch the qualifying for Silverstone. After the first knockout I fell asleep and awoke to the announcer saying that Alonso was on pole.

For the race I set the VCR and slept in. I found out the VCR didn't work and I really didn't care about missing the race.

There are a lot of options on TV for motorsport and F1 isn't my first choice anymore.

[LuckyStrike1]

Bye bye - enjoy whatever motorracing you will turn to instead

Having been a fan myself since the early 80:s I do find it a bit hard to understand the reaction though.

Because in any racingseries, there are good intense seasons and less intense seasons being dominated by one team or driver. That's just the way it goes ... and during any season there are dull races and super races and mediocre races and so on.

Looking at some of the other so called worldseries of racing - I find it hard to find any that deliver what F1 still delivers on a bad day, not to mention on a good day.

But each to their own.

[Red ITC]

Silverstone was a boring race and Alonso is taking a clockwork championship but there's always the soap opera factor to keep the interest up so I'll be tuning in just like always. And the North American races coming up always seem to have good TV production. My Sunday was rescued with a timely hour of TT roundup on the Beeb: 170mph through a 30mph town centre got my nose out of the paper.

[Lazarus II]

I've been addicted for 33 years and it's amazing that I still get up early to watch live. I have no idea why, the races are nothing but boring, Silverstone was so bad that the race just became 'white-noise'. How about that exciting pass for second in the pits

Most every session is more exciting watching the live timing and scoring flash across the screen on my laptop.

I'm not going to say I know the answer, but I will say what we have here isn't it.

With all the "spec" rules that Max has coming, it may help close up the field and make them race on track again.

In 33 years I haven't gone to just recording the race and watching at my leisure, but I'm sure thinking more and more about it.

[noikeee]

I only get the feeling that it is exciting on the first 2 or 3 races when you don't know exactly where every team ranks. Afterwards it all goes downhill. I usually stop caring and start missing races mid-season.

It needs less reliability and more variation of performance by the teams from race to race.

[Stian1979]

I could not care if alonso win every race and I could not care if the standings in eatch race was the same.
If Montagny had a good pass on Sato it would be just as exsiting if kimi had it on ralf, but nothing hapends on the track. only driving and refuling, I can see that on the local gas station.

I was looking off some old clips off the master(gilles) driving the ferrari and I could see the car lift off like a wrc car on a hill befour breaking into a corner.

Why is F1 boring?
1. Aero regulations
2.Tire regulations
3.Herman Tilke and other badly constructed tracks.

[indycarjunkie]

Originally posted by ehagar

There are a lot of options on TV for motorsport and F1 isn't my first choice anymore.

F1 was really never my first choice, but I have to say there's absolutely no substitute for seeing it in person. Even watching 6 cars drive 73 practice laps last year wasn't a complete loss for me.

F1 fans are as much slaves to their sport as NASCAR fans are. Some may be pissed and walk away, but the marketing juggernaut will always move forward despite the few losses because there will always be more new fans.

[Calorus]

Originally posted by Stian1979

Why is F1 boring?
1. Aero regulations

F1 is not nearly so boring on the basis of Aero regulations as it is on the basis aero ability.

If the regulations had never been ammended, the cars would be lapping about 10 seconds a lap faster, but would be exactly as extreme. They do things in the best way they know how - had it not been for the regulations they'd simply do them with wings 50 mm lower at the front. 100 mm higher at the back, no barge boards underneath, and an extra 20 or so flip ups and vanes all over the car.

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by paranoik0
I only get the feeling that it is exciting on the first 2 or 3 races when you don't know exactly where every team ranks. Afterwards it all goes downhill. I usually stop caring and start missing races mid-season.

It needs less reliability and more variation of performance by the teams from race to race.

I was thinking the same thing. Max is forcing this **** reliability and endurance garbage upon us and we have these processions that is never broken by anything unexpected (ok, there is still a few failiures, but come 2008 they will be extremely rare). So, to spice it up and add elements of random, they build a qualy system that deprives us of the small, but at least existing, pleasure of seeing who is the fastest. He brings in 27 year "nu touch" rules on certain parts while at the same time saying, "go ahead make flexible aero guys, the fans will really love it. They can read all about it on or exciting Tech section at F1.com". On top of all that he change the point system so that no one will feel any real urge of passing anyway.

Asch, bla. It really stinks to see everyone just turn down the revs after the last pitstop and farts their way through the part of the race that is supposed to be the most exciting one.

[Nova]

I have given up on F1 but still tape the races, still hoping I guess. Don't ever find the time watch them though and that's _ before _ the engine freeze.

MotoGP I watch the minute I get home.

[Ninja2b]

I stopped watching the races regularly about 4 or 5 years ago. I watch the occasional race these days, but really don't feel like I am missing anything when I don't see one. Watching MotoGP opened my eyes to how boring F1 races are. Watching the recent Italian MotoGP round my heart was actually racing because it was so exciting. I don't think I can ever remember that happening to me watching F1!

Its sad really. F1 cars are amazing, but F1 races are boring.

[MichaelJP]

Don't you think a lot of it is down to the uncompromising efficiency of today's teams?

At one time you always used to be able to rely on something unexpected happening, like a pitstop foul-up comedy routine, a botched start, an inadvertent missed gear, a spin, and so many other things.

Now we've reached a stage where there are hardly any spins due to TC and aero, no missed gears due to paddle gearchanges, no wheelspinning start excitement, pitlane mistakes are incredibly rare, virtually the only thing that is left is the odd shower!

In F1 its that combination of factors that makes the lead so dominant and secure. In MotoGP I've lost count of the number of times I've seen someone get in the lead by some margin only to get chased down later in the race.

[ehagar]

Originally posted by LuckyStrike1
Bye bye - enjoy whatever motorracing you will turn to instead

Having been a fan myself since the early 80:s I do find it a bit hard to understand the reaction though.

Looking at some of the other so called worldseries of racing - I find it hard to find any that deliver what F1 still delivers on a bad day, not to mention on a good day.

But each to their own.

I can think of at least 6 series that interest me more now...

The 'Oh my gawd' factor with F1 is no longer there for me.

I can get more of that from 15 seconds of a motorcycle onboard than 2 hours of a F1 broadcast.

[msam]

I am also bummed at the lack of too much on track action. During the past 2 races, I found that watching the live timing is more appealing than watching the race coverage itself.

[Kooper]

many said the same in 2002 & 2004.

Its as boring to me watching Alonso run away with title(s) as it was seeing Schui do the same. No question the races would be more enjoyable with 2 or 3 fighting for the win. I blame Ferrari & especially Mac. They've let everybody down.

Regardless of whats happening at the sharp end, there are many good battles taking place which tv directors typically choose not to cover. Stopped watching? Fine. Why tell us about it, just do it.

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by Kooper
I blame Ferrari & especially Mac. They've let everybody down.

Uh? And the other eight teams that is not even close? They have no blame?

The teams have no blame. FIA is making the rules. At least they are supposed to. If they have made rules that makes it impossible to make rules (veto, Concorde and so on) they are still to blame because everybody knows that the teams have to look at their own interest first, then, if they have the possibility, they can look at what is best for the sport. A team that would not see it that way would never become competitive and what good would that do to the sport?

[Kooper]

Originally posted by Hiatt

Uh? And the other eight teams that is not even close? They have no blame?

The teams have no blame. FIA is making the rules. At least they are supposed to. If they have made rules that makes it impossible to make rules (veto, Concorde and so on) they are still to blame because everybody knows that the teams have to look at their own interest first, then, if they have the possibility, they can look at what is best for the sport. A team that would not see it that way would never become competitive and what good would that do to the sport?

Rules same for everybody.

Honda & Toyota were the only teams with even a realistic expectation of being in top 5. Toyota have cocked up every single year since entering F1 so I expected nothing from them. I never expected more than 4th at best from Honda. Mac & Ferrari I expected to take the fight to renault this season and they've failed.... Mac especially with unreliability + not fast enough.

BMW Sauber have been the nicest surprise imo this year. I hope the this team continue to rise. Many under-estimate Nick & especially Jacques.

Torro Rosso, Midland & Super Aguri... you want to place blame on them? Williams doing all they can afford to. Red Bull needs a better chassis. Toyota is by far the worst offender based on per dollar spent as well as having race winning drivers and turtling along with the other back-markers.

Maybe no team is to blame, but all praise to Renault & Alonso instead?

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by Kooper



Maybe no team is to blame, but all praise to Renault & Alonso instead?

If F1 sucks, no one deserves any praise either. Unless for making good results of course, but that is not what we are discussing here, is it?

[Kooper]

I never said F1 sucks.

Its as boring to me watching Alonso run away with title(s) as it was seeing Schui do the same. No question the races would be more enjoyable with 2 or 3 fighting for the win. I blame Ferrari & especially Mac. They've let everybody down.

Regardless of whats happening at the sharp end, there are many good battles taking place which tv directors typically choose not to cover.

[tifosi]

Originally posted by Kooper
Stopped watching? Fine. Why tell us about it, just do it.

BBs are made for people to vent on subjects they want to vent on. They even came up with this neat thing called a subject line. People put what they are discussing in that subject line. Its a really fascinating step forward in the evolution of the human race. If you will notice, the subject of this thread is "Stopped watching F1". If you don't want to be told about people who "stopped watching" don't open up the thread.

[Hiatt]

Originally posted by Kooper
I never said F1 sucks.

Then you are in the wrong thread. This is the "I think F1 sucks thread"

[MP4/?]

You know what: Go and don't come back!! You are not a Formula 1 fan..

I'm really glad to see Alonso and Renault giving a concert of good driving and excellent engineering every two weeks.. This is what Formula 1 is about..

Overtaking and fights for Championships is great for NASCAR, IRL and stock car series.. This is Formula 1... It's about cars, the beauty of the sounds of the engines, technology, driving excellence, etc..

Get out of here!!

[turin]

Originally posted by MP4/?
You know what: Go and don't come back!! You are not a Formula 1 fan..

I'm really glad to see Alonso and Renault giving a concert of good driving and excellent engineering every two weeks.. This is what Formula 1 is about..

Overtaking and fights for Championships is great for NASCAR, IRL and stock car series.. This is Formula 1... It's about cars, the beauty of the sounds of the engines, technology, driving excellence, etc..

Get out of here!!

You should get out instead of posting crap. If you can't accept someone else's feelings, please care not to post here. Please!

If you look at the whole thread, you'll find out that is a pretty shared feeling, that F1 is becoming a borefeast. You can still get "the cars, the beauty of the sounds of the engines, technology, driving excellence" when Alonso drives on the streets of Seville, Goodwood or who knows where else, but that's not F1, is it?.

As I said on the Silverstone thread, I've been considering giving up my cable subscription (which I have only because of F1), but I think I am an addict too, because I can't help the feeling that eventually some great move would happen and I would miss it. As a matter of fact, Michael at La Rascasse was a moment that was worth watching live. So, here I am, still sticking to my subscriptions, but taping the races instead. Besides, I came to the conclusion that I live in the worst possible time zone (US Pacific) to see it live, but that's another problem...

-p

[F1 Tor.]

Originally posted by MP4/?
You know what: Go and don't come back!! You are not a Formula 1 fan..

I'm really glad to see Alonso and Renault giving a concert of good driving and excellent engineering every two weeks.. This is what Formula 1 is about..

Overtaking and fights for Championships is great for NASCAR, IRL and stock car series.. This is Formula 1... It's about cars, the beauty of the sounds of the engines, technology, driving excellence, etc..

Get out of here!!

You need to chillax. Unless you're paying more money to post here, everyone is entitled to their two cents, so cut the crap, okay?

[mclarenroxxors]

Originally posted by Kooper
Stopped watching? Fine. Why tell us about it, just do it.

if you like mclaren why tell us about it? Just like em and shut up!

[Spunout]

I'm really glad to see Alonso and Renault giving a concert of good driving and excellent engineering every two weeks.. This is what Formula 1 is about..

This "F1 should be an engineering exercise" is relatively new opinion, BTW. Clearly you haven´t followed the sport very long.

[WHITE]

Originally posted by Kooper
Stopped watching? Fine. Why tell us about it, just do it.

Why tell Black Void about it, just let him do it.

[united]

Hell no I will stop watching F1 no matter how boring it will be (and it is not). And I started in 1995 (= seen the better years). Maybe I chose the wrong pilot that will never be able to dominate like Alonso, but when this driver started European GP of 2005 from pole the adrenaline rush was intense. I'm still on this adrenaline...

So I don't care

[Montoya1]

Is this what is needed:

Do something so that the aero is under the car, not over it and washing onto the car behind.
Don't tinker with aero, slash it.
Get rid of fuel stops and tyre changes.
Switch to Hybrid engines within 5 years, allow multiple engine sizes.
Get totally rid of driver aids.
Go back to slicks.
Make the tyres narrower, especially the fronts.
Allow the cars to be wider.
Success ballast.

The last one goes against the grain, but I have watched the BTCC and WTCC and it works there, the best drivers still come out (over a season) on top.


dw

[tifosi]

Originally posted by united
And I started in 1995 (= seen the better years).

Nah. That was more like pre-92

[Montoya1]

Lightweights!!

Try 1970-1986