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[tifosi]

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Originally posted by Montoya1
Lightweights!!

Try 1970-1986

well pre-92 would cover that time frame also

[Hiatt]

I have quit F1 a number of times. It is surprisingly easy. If you skip the F1 news for a while you lose track on the small movements in F1 that makes it interesting. When you do that it is... simply not interesting anymore
Then something can happen that makes you start following it again, then you start to watch races just to see if you have missed something. Then you quit again.

[Dolph]

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Originally posted by BlackVoid
It is really sad, I have been an F1 fan for 20 years. This year, I stopped watching, becuase F1 is EXTREMELY DULL. No action on track at all. I am still interested in F1, but it is pointless to watch the race. I just read the results on the net. What is the point of watching, when nothing happens on the track. Yes, the cars go around, burn a lot of fuel but thats it. I can also watch the traffic on the nearby highway LIVE! With overtakings!

As fans we should take action to make F1 more interesting. What about starting a petition, have it signed by thousands of people online and then send it off to Bernie?

sap-sap F1 is boring for me. I'll go and complain to all forum members. I'm sure they fully care about my personal attitude toward F1...

honestly, how many time s do we need to see the "F1 is boring, I'm going to quit watching" thread? Who gives a f*** if you leave? It's not like we're a big happy family anyway. Loads of people call you names and quarrel all the time... Posters are bitter and thoughtless... Seriously, you won't be missing much...

[tifosi]

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Originally posted by Dolph
honestly, how many time s do we need to see the "F1 is boring, I'm going to quit watching" thread?

You don't have to ever see one. You can ignore it and move on. OTOH if you have a pathetic little life and nothing better to doyou can jump into every friggin thread and act like a 3rd grader and just atacck people.

[FNG]

Every year there are more and more applogists for F1. That can mean only one thing, the product really is getting boring. I myself will always watch but honestly this year the races have been bloody boring. Hell with Max wanting to bring in engine freeze rules what the hell are we watching exactly. If it's not the pinnacle of technology and the racing sucks then why are we watching?The powers that be better be careful cause one day they will wake up and see their ratings have all but vanished to only the hardcore like ourselves. Many people say F1 and it's rules aren't geared towards the hardcore fan but only to the general masses. If that's the case they are in trouble cause honestly what "average" casual viewer would find these races exciting?

I have no problem with domination, it's part of the sport but the fact that it is almost impossible to pass another car as soon as you get to with .5 seconds is strange indeed. They really need to address that.

I'm addicted and will always watch, but that doesn't mean I'm actually entertained too much anymore.

[Hiatt]

All I know that I have no friend anymore that I can talk F1 with. Not even my brother, he gave up three years ago. It was once different, we planned trips to see GPs and such. Now some of them might ask about the latest race but they are not really iterested. The sport bars that "advertise" F1 are empty at the time of the races and you have to beg them to turn on the TV. Then after a while more people come in and they hatre you because there is some low level fotball game on the other channel. I can honestly not see how the **** Bernie can still make money out of it. Or does he?

[ivanalesi]

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Originally posted by micra_k10

What it is that F1 offers we are addicted to? The excitement and adrenaline we feel in it?

Yet all say it's so booring ...

It's like football, the diehard fans always cheer nevermind the current form. Watch Liverpool, they never had a good team for 20 years and yet they were sooo famous, same was with Ferrari... you just hope that this time it will happen.

[FNG]

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Originally posted by Hiatt
All I know that I have no friend anymore that I can talk F1 with. Not even my brother, he gave up three years ago. It was once different, we planned trips to see GPs and such. Now some of them might ask about the latest race but they are not really iterested. The sport bars that "advertise" F1 are empty at the time of the races and you have to beg them to turn on the TV. Then after a while more people come in and they hatre you because there is some low level fotball game on the other channel. I can honestly not see how the **** Bernie can still make money out of it. Or does he?

I hear yah! Try sharing an office with a NASCAR fan. After every race he walks in and asks " Was there a pass in F1 this year yet?"

[MP4/?]

Why people complain about engine freeze? You would love it... No more technology and a lot of cars that look the same.. Same thing that ChampCars, IRL, NASCAR.. Lots of passes, and twenty cars fighting for the victory..

You know what? That's not Formula 1.. Formula 1 is what we saw Sunday..Technology, driving and some times when you got both: domination...

[MP4/?]

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Originally posted by Spunout


This "F1 should be an engineering exercise" is relatively new opinion, BTW. Clearly you haven´t followed the sport very long.

You have no idea what you are saying.. Seems like you don't know about breaking technology in F1 all through its history..

Turbos, active suspensions, the fan car, the six wheeler, berilyum engines, titanium gearboxes, semiautomatic gearboxes, etc...

Please you might what to quit Formula 1 too

[FNG]

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Originally posted by MP4/?
Why people complain about engine freeze? You would love it... No more technology and a lot of cars that look the same.. Same thing that ChampCars, IRL, NASCAR.. Lots of passes, and twenty cars fighting for the victory..

You know what? That's not Formula 1.. Formula 1 is what we saw Sunday..Technology, driving and some times when you got both: domination...

That's kind of my point. If they are bringing in Engine freeze rules and a whole bunch of other crap, then what am I watching? If it's not the most technologically advanced series in the world and the racing is crap then there is a problem. Either leave the rules wide open of innovation and let the chips fall where they may or make it so the cars can pass. If we have neither then it's in trouble.

And no, sorry, Silverstone was not a classic F1 race. It was boring.

[FNG]

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Originally posted by MP4/?


You have no idea what you are saying.. Seems like you don't know about breaking technology in F1 all through its history..

Turbos, active suspensions, the fan car, the six wheeler, berilyum engines, titanium gearboxes, semiautomatic gearboxes, etc...

Please you might what to quit Formula 1 too

Rather than throwing the "You should quit watching F1" around bullshit, you might want to get a clue yourself.

So if you criticize F1 in any way you are not a fan? I got news for you, there hasn't been innovation in F1 for years. They are all little tweaks here and there. The rules are so constrained that it's almost impossible for innovation to exist. That is my whole point. I never used to care about the passing, that's because I had the technology to enjoy. Now it seems we have neither.

And talk about knowing history, you might want to read a little further back from the late 70's. At one point I think there were two different engines for the whole field for many years. Cosworth and Ferrari.

[Lada Lover]

It's still worth watching as far as I'm concerned. I might cancel the SpeedTV as it is not adding much extra anymore. I stopped getting up for practise.

[SlateGray]

I have been watching from 1975 but did not start watching every race live until 94. I admit that the British GP was dull but there is still lots going on that is interesting. The people and the politics are what make it interesting, just wondering how Schumacher would react in the GPDA meeting had me interested.

The cars are tech wonders. Just go back and watch some stuff from 94 - 97 thoose cars look positively stone age compared to today’s wonders. IMHO the technology needs to be controlled in a long range extreme plan. For example, each season have the engine size reduce by 100cc over a period of ten years. By 2016 we would have 900hp 1.4L V8's running 35,000 rpm. That would allow the technology to develop nicely. Along with that reduce down force 50% per year no pissing around with little tweaks I say. Every year the cars would be very different than the previous year which may shake things up a bit more. Yes I realize that this would cost lots of $$'s, so what?

These kinds of drastic measures would force everyone to develop the cars and engines at the max without the cars getting so fast that the drivers need g-suites to cope.

Back on the original topic I will keep watching live as long as one of Schumacher and Villeneuve are still driving. If Schumacher retires and Jacques is walking there will be little left to interest me, but I will still watch anyway.

What was your answer to this question when you where a youngster?

"What do you want to be when you grow up little slate? a Fire fighter, a Police officer, a Lawyer, a Doctor?" my answer was always the same "I want to be a race car driver". Practical considerations made that dream impossible (translation mom and dad where not rich) so I watch F1 and pretend I am some how involved, that along with the go cart track and my motorcycle and I able to keep a tenuous grasp on sanity

[ehagar]

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Originally posted by MP4/?


You have no idea what you are saying.. Seems like you don't know about breaking technology in F1 all through its history..

Turbos, active suspensions, the fan car, the six wheeler, berilyum engines, titanium gearboxes, semiautomatic gearboxes, etc...

Please you might what to quit Formula 1 too

Many of those 'innovations' are not exclusive to F1 and were sometimes introduced somewhere else first. The really expensive stuff (Al-Be for example) is a byproduct of the aviation industry and it wasn't really breaking technology by the time it came to F1. It was groundbreaking in the 1960s with the SR-71 project.

The 'innovator' of the monocque structure in F1 really borrowed on aeroframe structures from the 1930s. It had been introduced in cars many times before.

Frankly, a lot of the talk of 'breaking technology' is hype.

[Kenaltgr]

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Originally posted by Kooper

Its as boring to me watching Alonso run away with title(s) as it was seeing Schui do the same. No question the races would be more enjoyable with 2 or 3 fighting for the win. I blame Ferrari & especially Mac. They've let everybody down.

Alonso won in 05 against a faster Mclaren, ths year Ferrari have been very close, even faster than Renault for some races. And you want to compare that to 2002/2004 (the most boring mind numbing seasons in F1 history) where a monkey could have won in the red car with #1 support and the #2 driver not even allowed to challenge.
Lucky for you Alonso hasn't yet had an F1 car with the advantage that MS had in 2002/2004 or he'd be winning 16+ races a season.

[Ivan]

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Originally posted by CDNgrl
I find it boring too. I don't ever miss a race, only difference now is that I sometimes fall asleep watching it.

Ditto
I thought it was only me falling asleep

[angst]

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Originally posted by MP4/?
Why people complain about engine freeze? You would love it... No more technology and a lot of cars that look the same.. Same thing that ChampCars, IRL, NASCAR.. Lots of passes, and twenty cars fighting for the victory..

You know what? That's not Formula 1.. Formula 1 is what we saw Sunday..Technology, driving and some times when you got both: domination...

You can't really believe that F1 is about Technology!!? Just go and have a look at the technical regs, compare them to Le Mans regs and then say F1 is all about Technology. And driving? TC, launch control - we're not getting the best driving talent on display either. We are currently getting the worst of both worlds, neither particularly technically interesting nor offering great displays of driving skill or racing.

[angst]

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Originally posted by FNG
Every year there are more and more applogists for F1. That can mean only one thing, the product really is getting boring. I myself will always watch but honestly this year the races have been bloody boring. Hell with Max wanting to bring in engine freeze rules what the hell are we watching exactly. If it's not the pinnacle of technology and the racing sucks then why are we watching?The powers that be better be careful cause one day they will wake up and see their ratings have all but vanished to only the hardcore like ourselves. Many people say F1 and it's rules aren't geared towards the hardcore fan but only to the general masses. If that's the case they are in trouble cause honestly what "average" casual viewer would find these races exciting?

I have no problem with domination, it's part of the sport but the fact that it is almost impossible to pass another car as soon as you get to with .5 seconds is strange indeed. They really need to address that.

I'm addicted and will always watch, but that doesn't mean I'm actually entertained too much anymore.

Domination is not a bad thing in itself, in fact the fightback by the other teams can often be a major part of the entertainment.

The average fan doesn't give a monkeys unless they have a driver winning (watch F1's rating drop in Germany when MS retires, as quickly as they have risen in Spain just recently). It's only us hardcore fans that keep watching - even when it is almost physically painful to do so because it is just sooooooo shite.

I really think now would be a perfect time for everyone involved in F1 to sit down and think about where F1 is heading, and where it should be heading - but everyone's too busy playing politics - so nothing will change.

Personally I think there are certain areas that need controlling. Specifically aero development and tyre development. I'd prefer the latter to be done without resorting to a single supplier, but..... As for electronics, I still maintain that the regulation to virtually rid the series of TC/launch control already exists - all that is required is the will to 'clarify' and to measure and enforce it.

But more feedom should be put in place for innovation, for 'off the cuff', inspired engineering. What we have now is the perfection of very limited design parameters, so the only opportunity for success is the constant honing and testing of the cars withint those parameters. Wind-tunnel/rig/track testing time and oodles of software. That is where the cost of F1 has been dragged upwards. That is why teams have grown into bohemeths, with specialists in every department. The advantage the smaller teams used to have over the major manufacturers (and why they always used to win out) was that they could innovate and produce something new much faster, the bigger teams just couldn't keep pace. Without the room in the regulations to do that then only the biggest spending teams will win.

As for the 'spec' F1 that fills Max's dreams - Oh God, don't put me through it - because I know I'll still watch and hope for something better. Sad bastard.

[MP4/?]

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Originally posted by angst


You can't really believe that F1 is about Technology!!? Just go and have a look at the technical regs, compare them to Le Mans regs and then say F1 is all about Technology. And driving? TC, launch control - we're not getting the best driving talent on display either. We are currently getting the worst of both worlds, neither particularly technically interesting nor offering great displays of driving skill or racing.

The best teams in F1 have the best drivers in the world.. I agree that there are a lot of drivers that are there because of money driving for Midland, TR, SA, etc...

The only driver that should be in F1 and is not is Bourdais..

Formula 1 cars have improved between 6 and 7 second a lap since 1998.. This is impresive.. Isn't this technology.. Some of this is tires, but still this is tech stuff...

[Mpower]

You know...its cool we can all agree or dissagree with the thread starter about his opinion but whats with taking everything to extremes??

'We dont want you anyway! youre not a F1 fan. Go watch Nascar.'

You might as well come out and say you'd drool for the oportunity to see the leading car drive by himself on the circuit as long as its your favorite team/driver.

[MP4/?]

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Originally posted by Mpower
You know...its cool we can all agree or dissagree with the thread starter about his opinion but whats with taking everything to extremes??

'We dont want you anyway! youre not a F1 fan. Go watch Nascar.'

You might as well come out and say you'd drool for the oportunity to see the leading car drive by himself on the circuit as long as its your favorite team/driver.

As you can see I'm a McLaren fan, I don't care about Renault... But I admire Renault and Alonso's great job...

[zfh10]

Put me down for finding F1 boring too. I am sorry to say that I didn't even bother watching Silverstone, and I missed the last two races too. : I am only logging on here cos I am bored in my lunch break.

It does worry me. What does this mean when I feel like this? After so many years is this the beginning of the end? I bitched and moaned when the dreaded Schumi won every race, but I still watched them. Now with Alonso (who I like) doing the same, this season I just can't be bothered. Why watch a race where it is THIRTEEN SECONDS until 2nd place crosses the line? *yawn*

I am worried about my relationship with F1. I think we might be breaking up!

People who offer the smart comments like "see ya", "bye" etc....they need to take their head out of the sand. Lets face it, the cars don't overtake and it is f#cking boring. BTW, I support Renault, they've done an amazing job, but the F1 PRODUCT SUCKS.

Hit me.

[fastlegs]

The thing that makes me laugh is Max Mosley went and brought in all these ridiculous rules to prevent Ferrari from dominating F1.

Here we are several years later and what has changed? Instead of Ferrari dominating we now have Renault.

Good job Max.

[OssieFan]

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Originally posted by Stian1979
Why is F1 boring?
1. Aero regulations
2.Tire regulations
3.Herman Tilke and other badly constructed tracks.

4. High expectations from fans.

It's partly our fault for wanting every race to be spectacular. Sunday's race could have happened even if the cars were different. That's motor racing.

[Estwald]

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Originally posted by zfh10
Put me down for finding F1 boring too. I am sorry to say that I didn't even bother watching Silverstone, and I missed the last two races too. : I am only logging on here cos I am bored in my lunch break.

It does worry me. What does this mean when I feel like this? After so many years is this the beginning of the end? I bitched and moaned when the dreaded Schumi won every race, but I still watched them. Now with Alonso (who I like) doing the same, this season I just can't be bothered. Why watch a race where it is THIRTEEN SECONDS until 2nd place crosses the line? *yawn*

I am worried about my relationship with F1. I think we might be breaking up!

People who offer the smart comments like "see ya", "bye" etc....they need to take their head out of the sand. Lets face it, the cars don't overtake and it is f#cking boring. BTW, I support Renault, they've done an amazing job, but the F1 PRODUCT SUCKS.

Hit me.

Couldn't agree more.

[RiDE]

The only reason I didn't watch it yesterday was because CBS was covering it.

By the time I had a chance to watch the ITV coverage I already read the posts here saying how boring it was so I didn't bother watching it.

[AndreasF1]

Where is HDTV feed? FIFA can do it with the World Cup why can't Bernie make that happen. Isn't F1 the pinnacle of motorsports? I am sure that the show would get greatly enhanced with improved HD feed.

[Punisher6]

I've been slowly converting to MotoGP as noted in another thread.

[beanoid]

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Originally posted by Punisher6
I've been slowly converting to MotoGP as noted in another thread.

World Superbike has been pretty good this year too--even though Bayliss is starting to dominate, the races are still ('scuse my 'murrican) kick-ass.

I love Alonso, but I thought I was going to die of boredom this past Sunday. Still, that's not always been the case this year--we've had some good ones--although, like others have mentioned, I'm not getting up at 4:30 a.m. anymore. The 9:30 replay is good enough for me these days.

Everything runs in cycles.

[Punisher6]

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Originally posted by beanoid




World Superbike has been pretty good this year too--even though Bayliss is starting to dominate, the races are still ('scuse my 'murrican) kick-ass.


Everything runs in cycles.

I prefer AMA to WSB, not that I don't think it's good racing, I catch it when I can, but I can go see AMA several times a year, so it get's the nod. I can only watch SO MUCH racing!!!!!

[beanoid]

Me too, thanks to maczippy. . . . Aw hell, just watch it all!

(We came home from Italy with eight hours of recorded racing to watch, and got through all of it. Perhaps we need to get a life?)

Which reminds me, back on-topic: as mind-numbingly turgid as Silverstone was, I thought Monaco was a really *good* F1 race. Lots of drama and whining and finger-pointing, and DC back on the podium.

I mean, really. As good as MotoGP is (as some have said here), even they have a dud from time to time. Like last year--it wasn't exactly thrilling to watch Vale run away with everything the whole year. It got to the point where the press conference was the most entertaining part of the race: "I make pass, I ride three amazing laps, and I ween!"

Rinse and repeat.

[doggy]

motogp is awesome but i'm not bothered if i miss some races...probably because i know i can be entertained in almost every race. on the other hand, i dont want to miss any F1 race coz raw exciting moments are so rare when it happens it's special.

i will always try to watch all the F1 races, especially all the suffering of catching those patchy F1 coverage in USA for years. im grateful for much better time and coverage now that i live in Asia (where majority of the races are shown around dinner time). there's always a DVR (or VCR) when there's other responsibilites to tend to

p.s. u might follow the races more religeously if your favorite drivers are the one who can win but usually don't.

[MichaelJP]

I'd rather have good races any day than my favourite driver winning easily.

I'm no fan of Schumacher or Ferrari but I truly wish they could have taken the fight to Alonso on Sunday and given us an interesting race.

[tifosi]

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Originally posted by MP4/?
Why people complain about engine freeze? You would love it... No more technology and a lot of cars that look the same.. Same thing that ChampCars, IRL, NASCAR.. Lots of passes, and twenty cars fighting for the victory..

Um no, thats not how it works. Whoever has the best engine at the start of the 3 years, would maintain that advantage for the next 3 years. There wouyld be zero opportunity to catch up. THIS is what you want????

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by tifosi


Um no, thats not how it works. Whoever has the best engine at the start of the 3 years, would maintain that advantage for the next 3 years. There wouyld be zero opportunity to catch up. THIS is what you want????

Well, the secret agenda behind the engine freeze is simply to return to the Cosworth DFV era. The manufacturers that fail to produce an engine (Mercedes, Toyota, Honda and BMW) will not drag themselves through three years of misery and then another five, so they will pack up and leave. The teams that are using those engines will be looking for ways to get their hands on the competitive engine (Ferrari). So the end result will be a spec engine.

And no, I don't like it.

[Dudley]

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Originally posted by OssieFan


4. High expectations from fans.

It's partly our fault for wanting every race to be spectacular. Sunday's race could have happened even if the cars were different. That's motor racing.

Compare it with either GP2 race.

It's the cars.

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by Dudley


Compare it with either GP2 race.

It's the cars.

The sundays GP2 race would have been a yawner if Hamilton had started from pole.

No, skip qual for the top ten in the WDC and put the cars on the grid in reverse WDC order. Let the other cars qualify for gridspot 11-2x

Qualifying is such a waste of time anyway.

[chris_canuk]

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Originally posted by zfh10
Hit me.

Come over here a minute.

[chris_canuk]

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Originally posted by tifosi
THIS is what you want????

shhhh. He doesn't really understand the implications of freezing engine development.

[united]

With due respect to Hamilton, Piquet, Carroll and others, GP2 drivers are young and overaggressive on track. The number of overtaking maneuvers is huge, but GP2 races in my opinion are in a way more interesting because of many accidents that could be avoided. F1 drivers for example managed to pass the first turn of Monte-Carlo circuit without any damage, GP2 guys created mayhem. So GP2 is a bit NASCAR like which is of course not derogatory.

[Buttoneer]

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Originally posted by Hiatt

The sundays GP2 race would have been a yawner if Hamilton had started from pole.

No, skip qual for the top ten in the WDC and put the cars on the grid in reverse WDC order. Let the other cars qualify for gridspot 11-2x

Qualifying is such a waste of time anyway.

That's because todays qualifying is not for cars to 'qualify' for anything. With no 107% exit criteria, everyone is guaranteed a grid slot where the cars belong in terms of relative speed.

I tend to agree with you Hiatt. I'd like to see some proper mixing up of the grid.

BTCC doesn't suffer from reversing the grid. The racing is always pretty good, although I appreciate they don;t have the aero problems of F1. They've gone a step further and introduced a lottery system to decide the cut off so that the 8th placed driver in the first race does not settle for 8th in order to be on pole for the next race. The pole can be anything from 6th to 8th (I think) on the turn of a card.

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by Buttoneer

They've gone a step further and introduced a lottery system to decide the cut off so that the 8th placed driver in the first race does not settle for 8th in order to be on pole for the next race. The pole can be anything from 6th to 8th (I think) on the turn of a card.

That is why I want the grid to be dependant on WDC standing only, no where in the actual race should you need to start thinking about the starting position for the next race. Of course, if you are tenth in the WDC (pole position), and you are running for points that would put you ninth, just ahead of Monaco, it could in theory be wise to stay on pole, but that is not very likely to happen very often. Instead, it would be a fierce competition to get into the top ten.

Downsides would be that those who get into top ten early are more likely to be able to stay there than those who fail in the first few races, but those who get int there by "luck" would still have a hard time staying there. Fastest car and driver at pole hardly ever gives a good race. Look at last year - the good races was when qualy was messed up by rain or brain. Imagine if Schumi had not been alone in a fast car at the back of the grid in Monaco. If he would have had company by Kimi. Fernando, Fisi (ok, he was there ;) ), Montoya, Webber and the lot, all of them would still have had a chance to win because there would not have been a super duper Renault running away at the front. Maybe the top 15 should be reversed?

Reason I don't want the whole grid reversed is that the Super Aguris and Ide;s of the future would create unneccesary danger when starting at pole.

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by united
With due respect to Hamilton, Piquet, Carroll and others, GP2 drivers are young and overaggressive on track. The number of overtaking maneuvers is huge, but GP2 races in my opinion are in a way more interesting because of many accidents that could be avoided. F1 drivers for example managed to pass the first turn of Monte-Carlo circuit without any damage, GP2 guys created mayhem. So GP2 is a bit NASCAR like which is of course not derogatory.

That is the "good" side of the current grid system. When the cars are lined up in the order of how fast they are, there is not so many cars that actually have a chance of making a pass at the start. In GP2 they have less electronics and equal (more or less) cars, of course the risk of mayhem is bigger. I don't think they are much more aggressive tough. There have been a lot of first corner mayhems through the history of F1.

[Jackman]

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Originally posted by Hiatt
The sundays GP2 race would have been a yawner if Hamilton had started from pole.

If Hamilton had started from pole on Sunday:

a. Glock would still have stalled, giving him the same opportunity for an amazing fight back.
b. Premat would still have stalled, opening up a path for someone else.
c. Piquet and Carroll may still have had a better start than Hamilton, setting up some great battles.
d. Porteiro probably still would have had an astoundingly good drive and impressed everyone watching.

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by Jackman
If Hamilton had started from pole on Sunday:

a. Glock would still have stalled, giving him the same opportunity for an amazing fight back.
b. Premat would still have stalled, opening up a path for someone else.
c. Piquet and Carroll may still have had a better start than Hamilton, setting up some great battles.
d. Porteiro probably still would have had an astoundingly good drive and impressed everyone watching.

I don't remember seeing many pictures of either Glock or Premat. Also, they stalled only because they where afraid of Hamilton behind them ;)

[Jackman]

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Originally posted by united
With due respect to Hamilton, Piquet, Carroll and others, GP2 drivers are young and overaggressive on track. The number of overtaking maneuvers is huge, but GP2 races in my opinion are in a way more interesting because of many accidents that could be avoided. F1 drivers for example managed to pass the first turn of Monte-Carlo circuit without any damage, GP2 guys created mayhem. So GP2 is a bit NASCAR like which is of course not derogatory.

GP2's slick tyres, lack of traction control and electronics, etc rewards a more aggressive style of driving than F1 does, so it's no surprise that the drivers push hard. That said, the cars look like they're being driven aggressively just because of the lack of traction control, so it's all relative. It's not as though they go looking for accidents to spark - the problems at Monaco were actually at the start, not at the turn, and were a result of 26 cars being in such a confined space.

[Jackman]

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Originally posted by Hiatt
I don't remember seeing many pictures of either Glock or Premat.

You weren't looking too closely then: I certainly noticed them.

[united]

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Originally posted by Jackman
GP2's slick tyres, lack of traction control and electronics, etc rewards a more aggressive style of driving than F1 does, so it's no surprise that the drivers push hard. That said, the cars look like they're being driven aggressively just because of the lack of traction control, so it's all relative

Yes, you are right. Anyway GP2 now looks more vibrant than F3000 in its demise days. But it is certainly not the reason to give up F1.

[Hiatt]

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Originally posted by Jackman
You weren't looking too closely then: I certainly noticed them.

Point I was making was that when the fast cars are first, they usually run away with it. If we need to have cars stalled at the grid to get excitement I think we would starve. In the beginning of the LC era there was a fair bit of mishaps but now with the correctly tuned anti stall, anti spin and anti hand sweat systems, there wont be many races where we see Kimi, Schumi and Alonso stall there cars on the warmup lap. I hope for sure we will never see them do it during the actual start, since that would likely cause serious mayhem. One or two cars stalling is not enough either, because you would still have some fast ones running away then.;)