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[Haine Kane]

Thanks ReWind

[Jager]

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AUSTRALIAN DRIVERS
CESARIO Lucio

Even though Lucio did most of his driving in Australia, I'm told when he raced at Le Mans in 1985 for Lancia he raced under the Italian flag (at least that was what was painted on the car). Will see if I can find a picture.

[Haine Kane]

Jean DELETTREZ born 3 january 1921 and still alive

I'm in contact with his son

[Nanni Dietrich]

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Originally posted by ReWind
Haine Kane provided me with the birth (and sometimes life) dates of many Le Mans drivers which I hadn’t known before. I post them here in case someone else is interested, too.[code=auto:0] ...Franco Bordoni: 10 Jan 1913 († 15 Sep 1976)...

Reinhard, Franco Bordoni Bisleri died on 15 September 1975 . Source: magazine Autosprint issue 23 September 1975
http://www.motorspor...WF&db2=ct&n=394

[Nanni Dietrich]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane


ITALIAN DRIVERS

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LIZZANO di LUCAS Marcello

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MICANGELI Maurizio ou Marco

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PAM" Giancarlo PASOTTI

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RICCI Riccardo

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SYRACUSA Francesco

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Marcello De Luca di Lizzano (24.Feb.1932 Florence - 16.Sep.1962 Monza)
http://www.motorspor...hp?db=ct&n=1527

Three brothers MICANGELI (Maurizio, Marco and Massimo) all three drivers, think only MAURIZIO raced au Mans 1979-1980 (and 1984?)

"PAM" Marsilio Pasotti (not Giancarlo)
http://www.motorspor...WF&db2=ct&n=400

RICCI Ricciardo (nor Riccardo)

SIRACUSA Francesco (not SYRACUSA)

[Vitesse2]

Doreen Evans: according to John Bullock's book "Fast Women", Doreen was 17 when she started racing in 1933. She died as Doreen Phillips in California in April 1982, aged 65. I'll leave the details to the genealogy experts ;)

[Haine Kane]

Grazie NANNI
Thanks VITESSE 2

[Jim Thurman]

Can anyone provide the year(s), co-driver, etc. for Bob Harmon (United States)?

I have somewhat sorted out the Erickson situation (still no dates for Ernie), but think I will post that to it's own thread.

[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Vitesse2
Doreen Evans: according to John Bullock's book "Fast Women", Doreen was 17 when she started racing in 1933. She died as Doreen Phillips in California in April 1982, aged 65. I'll leave the details to the genealogy experts ;)

Actually the name of her husband was Phipps (as you told us here).

Apparently there was at least one daughter from that marriage (source).

Since her husband (b. 03 Oct 1912, d. 15 Sep 1997) died in Denver, Colorado, maybe they had been divorced?

SSDI comes up with only two women called Doreen who were born in 1916 and died in April 1982, both of them in California, but neither of them named Phipps (or Phillips). One is Doreen Knudsen (b. 15 Aug 1916, last residence: San Francisco) and the other one is Doreen Boyer (b. 04 Jun 1916, last residence: San Diego, but SSN issued in Colorado).

Maybe Doreen Evans (div. Phipps) remarried to one Mr. Boyer. If Doreen Evans was in fact born on 04 Jun 1916 she would have shared her birthday with her brother Kenneth who was born on that very day four years earlier.

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Originally posted by Nanni Dietrich
Reinhard, Franco Bordoni Bisleri died on 15 September 1975

Thanks, Nanni, for spotting that typo. Haine Kane had the right year in his database but I transcribed it incorrectly.

[Vitesse2]

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Originally posted by ReWind
Actually the name of her husband was Phipps (as you told us here).

Brain fade ....

But looking at it again, perhaps she died in Colorado, not California? Phipps' father was a Colorado senator after all. To move to California seems unlikely, though admittedly not impossible. And Bullock's text says they "lived happily there for more than 40 years", so a divorce seems equally improbable.

[David McKinney]

The list if is people Haine doesn't know about
Obviously he already knew of the two you have added ;)

[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Jim Thurman
Can anyone provide the year(s), co-driver, etc. for Bob Harmon (United States)?

1979: Robert (Bob) Kirby (USA) & John Hotchkis (USA)
1980: Robert (Bob) Kirby (USA) & Mike Sherwin (USA)
They drove a Porsche 935K3 entered by Dick Barbour Racing.

[Jim Thurman]

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Originally posted by ReWind
1979: Robert (Bob) Kirby (USA) & John Hotchkis (USA)
1980: Robert (Bob) Kirby (USA) & Mike Sherwin (USA)
They drove a Porsche 935K3 entered by Dick Barbour Racing.

Thank you ReWind...

Ok, Haine, the info you have for Bob Harmon is clearly a different man. The Bob Harmon that Richie provided you the dates for (the correct dates, I might add) is Bob Harmon, race promoter and founder of the All Pro circuit for Stock Cars, father of stock car racer Mike Harmon.

I'm going to start a new thread on the Ericksons, please check it for more information and clarification.

[Nanni Dietrich]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane

CAMBIAGHI Anna

Cambiaghi Anna, Milan 15 September 1948

[Haine Kane]

Thanks NANNI

I collect some informations for your site "memorial motorsport" but I try to have the best before post them.

Ciao !

[Marc Ceulemans]

Some Belgian drivers.

Léon Dernier ("Eldé"), born 1 April 1912 - D, 26 July 1969 (Francorchamps).
H. de Fierlant, born 10 Dec 1942 (Fieux).
Eric de Keyn, born 2 August 1940 - D, 28 July 1967 (Liège, Bavières Hospital).
Alain Peltier, born 30 Nov 1948.
Pierre Rubens, born 7 Feb 1947.
Roger Vanderschrick, born 27 Aug 1942 (Bruxelles).

Do you have the info for the Luxemburger Nicolas Koob (or Neckel Koob) and honoré Wagner ?

[Marc Ceulemans]

Confirmation + new info

Willy Braillard, born 12 May 1946 at Uccle (near Bruxelles).

[Haine Kane]

Thanks Marc,

For Nicolals KOOB : 26 july 1930 in BETTBORN (LUXEMBOURG)

For Alain PELTIER : died in 2005 (no more infos)

For Hughes de FIERLANT : where is FIEUX in Belgium ?

Bye

[Marc Ceulemans]

I must admit I don't know where is Fieux ! It's possibly a misprint.

I've just realize that Honoré Wagner never took part in Le Mans 24 Hours.

I knew that Koob was born that day (26 July 1930) and that he was Bettborner (living at Bettborn).

[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Marc Ceulemans
I've just realisze that Honoré Wagner never took part in Le Mans 24 Hours.

Nevertheless, please tell us his birthday if you know it.

[Marc Ceulemans]

Honoré Wagner:
Born, 2 June 1921 - D, 23 May 1965 (Nurburgring)

[ReWind]

Thank you very much, Marc!

BTW: Hopefully some contributor to the "Motorsport Memorial" website will also read your post...

[Marc Ceulemans]

About de Fierlant (again)
He was born at FREUX, postcode = 6800, near Libramont in the Ardennes. So fieux was a misprint.

[Nanni Dietrich]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane
Hello dear friends,
I re-actualize my reseachs and propose a new list
I create this thread for the drivers who have made LE MANS 24 hours.
I try to realize a dictionary about ALL the drivers who have take a start in the LE MANS 24 hours race.
I’ve got a lot of information about several drivers but I need your help for the others.
I need birth date and place, death date and place and if you have any informations about them, I take.
I just list the drivers without informations

Thanks a lot for your helping.

In blue : the changes with yours answers

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BELGIAN DRIVERS

BEKAERT John
BONNEAU Claude
BRAILLARD Willy 12 May 1946
CAERELS Nicolas
CATULLE Eric
CHAVEE L.
de FIERLANT Hughes
de KEYN Eric
de SAINT AUBAN Bernard
de TORNACO Raymond
de VROOM Jan
DELBAR Hermes
DEMETZ Herbert

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Herbert Demetz was definitely Italian.

[Stefan Ornerdal]

John Bekaert, Great Britain?
Jan de Vroom, Holland?

Anyone who knows whats correct?


Stefan
www.formula2.net

[David McKinney]

Bekaert was definitely British
De Vroom's cars were often US-owned, though for some reason I have a feeling he was from one of the Latin America countries. Can't be more specific, sorry

[scheivlak]

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Originally posted by Stefan Ornerdal
John Bekaert, Great Britain?
Jan de Vroom, Holland?

Anyone who knows whats correct?


Stefan
www.formula2.net

According to this thread, Jan de Vroom was Dutch: http://forums.autosp...?threadid=84274

[hhh]

Dutch Drivers at Le Mans:

Henk Hoogeveen
Maus Gatsonides
Rob Slotemaker
Ben Pon
Henk van Zalinge
Carel Godin de Beaufort
Gijs van Lennep (race winner)
David van Lennep
Jan Lammers (race winner)
Mathieu Hezemans
Toine Hezemans
Mike Hezemans
Hans (John) Hugenholtz
David Hart
Jeroen Bleekemolen
Tom Coronel
Peter Kox

Any more?

[FLB]

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Originally posted by hhh
Dutch Drivers at Le Mans:

Henk Hoogeveen
Maus Gatsonides
Rob Slotemaker
Ben Pon
Henk van Zalinge
Carel Godin de Beaufort
Gijs van Lennep (race winner)
David van Lennep
Jan Lammers (race winner)
Mathieu Hezemans
Toine Hezemans
Mike Hezemans
Hans (John) Hugenholtz
David Hart
Jeroen Bleekemolen
Tom Coronel
Peter Kox

Any more?

Klaas Zwart

[Haine Kane]

Hello Friends,

I've find french informations

Fernand BACHMANN : 16 june 1886 / 1965
Robert LESTIENNE : 1891 / 1944
Waldemar LESTIENNE : 1878 / 1967
Jean de MONTREMY : 18 may 1913 / 16 december 1998
Ernest de REGIBUS : 19 may 1905
Jean HEMARD : 4 july 1917 / 2 july 1982
Pierre HEMARD : 3 october 1921 / 25 january 2003

Have you find more ?

[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane
Have you find more ?

I hope you checked my updates on the “Happy Birthday” thread for any Le Mans drivers.

For the time being from the next bunch (which isn’t online yet) I have the following ones for you:

Dick Barbour (USA) b. 03 July 1940 somewhere in California
Siegfried “Sigi” Müller junior (Germany) b. 10 January 1956 Mülheim an der Ruhr
“Robert” (= Robert Klempenère) (France) b. 16 April 1906 Paris, d. 27 September 1968 (62 years old)
Eugen Strähl (Switzerland) b. 02 May 1944
Serge Trosch (not Troesch) (Belgium) b. 04 February 1937 Bruxelles
Paul Vallée (France) b. 08 June 1905, d. 03 April 1957 (51 years old)

[ReWind]

Another one:
Jacques Loste (France) b. 27 December 1905 Neuilly-sur-Seine, d. 04 Dec 2001
I found date & place of birth here.
A journalist by profession he was race director of the Le Mans 24 h from 1957 to 1968.

[metchim cousin]

My thanks to KJJ who posted

"BRINGHAM-METCHIN H.B. - This is going to be BRDC member Hylton Paul B. Metchim born in London 3rd March 1908, better known as Charles Metchim. He wrote an article for the Boys Own Paper in 1937 entitled "Behind the Scenes at Le Mans" Lived in Kenya after the war".

I am writing to correct the error in the name of my distant cousin - he was not called "Bringham-Metchim H B" - and to provide an update about his last years.

My cousin's correct name was "Hylton Paul Bridgman Metchim". As KKJ posted, he was born on 3rd March 1908. He died on 30th January 1976. His death was reported in the London Gazette and he was listed as living at 31 Richmond Court, Richmond, Surrey at the time of his death. He was formerly living in Tenerife and his profession was listed as farming consultant (retired). The London Gazette link is:

http://www.gazettes-...least=&similar=

I came across my cousin is researching my family tree. If anyone knows any other information about Hylton Paul Bridgman Metchim, better known as Charles Metchim, eg did he marry and did he have any children, please let me know.

[FLB]

Has an official date of death been established for Steve Fossett?

[Vitesse2]

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Originally posted by FLB
Has an official date of death been established for Steve Fossett?

I think that would be very difficult considering they haven't found him yet.

Although his wife is seeking to have him declared legally dead.

[Haine Kane]

Hello Friends,

I've just recieved the last book about the Swiss drivers at LE MANS race.... WONDERFUL

And inside there are all the birth date (and sometimes dead date) of the 123 Swiss drivers.
When I finish to read I post here the missing dates...

I return to read....

[Ren� de Boer]

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Originally posted by hhh
Dutch Drivers at Le Mans:

Henk Hoogeveen
Maus Gatsonides
Rob Slotemaker
Ben Pon
Henk van Zalinge
Carel Godin de Beaufort
Gijs van Lennep (race winner)
David van Lennep
Jan Lammers (race winner)
Mathieu Hezemans
Toine Hezemans
Mike Hezemans
Hans (John) Hugenholtz
David Hart
Jeroen Bleekemolen
Tom Coronel
Peter Kox

Any more?

Donny Crevels
Cor Euser
Val Hillebrand (both Belgian and Dutch, but with Dutch licence when he raced with Racing for Holland)
Patrick Huisman
Jos Menten
Kees Nierop (yes, living in Canada, but with a Dutch passport)
Michael Vergers

[Arjan de Roos]

More dutch (sorry if mentioned before)

Eddie Hertzberger
Arie Luijendijk
Charles Zwolsman
John Bosch
Peter van Merksteijn

[Haine Kane]

Here the complete list of the swiss drivers at the 24 hours of LE MANS

ADATTE Jean-Pierre 24/07/1939 Genève (Genève / CH) 05/02/1985 Genève (Genève / CH)
AESCHLIMANN Jean-Pierre 10/07/1935 Berne (Berne / CH)
ALBANESI Riccardo 05/11/1943 Genève (Genève / CH)
ALEXANDER-DAVID Iradj 17/09/1975 Locarno (Tessin /CH)
ANGELASTRI Sandro 31/01/1958 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
BEEZ Christian 07/09/1942 Winterthur (Zurich / CH)
BERGER Georges-André 13/10/1923 Neufchâtel (Neufchâtel / CH) 16/07/1996 Couvet (Neufchâtel / CH)
BERING Jean-Claude 01/09/1944 La Chaux-de-Fonds (Neufchâtel / CH)
BERNEY Edgar 06/05/1937 Yverdon (Vaud / CH) 21/09/1987 Chavannes-les-Forts (Vaud / CH)
BERNHARD Peter 11/11/1943 Winterthur (Zurich / CH)
BLANC Christian 04/09/1949 Billens (Fribourg / CH) 02/09/1997 Rolle (Vaud / CH)
BLANCPAIN Paul 01/05/1943 Fribourg (Fribourg / CH)
BLANK Arthur 07/10/1933 Zurich (Zurich / CH) 17/11/2005 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
BLUMER Harry 22/04/1937 Niederurnen (Glarus / CH)
BOILLAT Jacques 31/12/1945 Saigneléger (Jura / CH)
BOLLER Armand 05/03/1924 Genève (Genève / CH) 19/05/1994 Genève (Genève / CH)
BRILLAT Daniel 27/07/1945 Vieu (01)
BRUN Walter "Walty" 20/10/1942 Escholzmatt (Lucerne /CH)
BUEHRER Nicolas 14/02/1944 Bienne (Berne / CH)
CALDERARI Enzo 18/04/1952 Bienne (Berne / CH)
CALDERARI Jacques 19/06/1928 Bienne (Berne / CH)
CARRON Philippe 06/04/1944 Champsec/Bagnes (Valais / CH)
CHAPUIS Eric 07/07/1942 Moudon (Vaud /CH)
CHENEVIERE Bernard 06/07/1946 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
CHEVALLEY André 25/05/1949 Genève (Genève / CH)
CHIESA Andrea 06/05/1964 Milano (Lombardie / I)
COCHET Jean-Jacques 14/11/1941 Genève (Genève / CH)
CORTHAY Jean-Robert 15/02/1948 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
DEGOUMOIS Michel 30/12/1949 Genève (Genève / CH) 29/04/1990 Huémoz (Vaud / CH)
DELETRAZ Jean-Denis 01/10/1963 Genève (Genève / CH)
DUPONT Michel 03/09/1939 Genève (Genève / CH) 26/11/1974 Genève (Genève / CH)
EICHMANN Bruno 13/05/1952 Rogwill (Berne / CH)
FASSLER Marcel 27/05/1976 Einsiedeln (Schwyz / CH)
FAVRE Philippe 11/12/1961 Genève (Genève / CH)
FERRIER Laurent - Georges 19/12/1946 Genève (Genève / CH)
FISCHER Gregor 11/08/1948 Coire (Grisons / CH)
FOITEK Gregor 27/03/1965 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
FOITEK Karl 28/04/1931 Oberndorf (Salzbourg / A)
FREI Alexander 20/06/1954 Solothurn (Soleure / CH)
FREY Jean-Pierre 06/05/1955 Bâle (Bâle / CH)
FRISCHKNECHT Marc 25/04/1947 St-Gall (St-Gall / CH)
GACHNANG Georges 23/01/1931 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
GAGLIARDI Marcel 21/05/1931 Lyon (69)
GARDEL Gabriele 22/10/1977 Milano (Lombardie / I)
GILOMEN Hans-Jorg 06/02/1924 Lengnau (Berne /CH) 17/09/2006 Granges (Vaud / CH)
GRANDJEAN Jean-Daniel 26/09/1944 Couvet (Neufchâtel / CH) 08/10/2002 (Thaïlande)
GRETENER John 16/07/1926 London (Greater London / GB)
GREUB Pierre 09/06/1931 Lotzwill (Berne / CH)
HABERTHUR Olivier 10/02/1963 Yverdon-les-Bains (Vaud / CH)
HALDI Claude 28/11/1942 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
HERZOG René 16/03/1946 Olten (Soleure / CH)
HONEGGER Pierre 24/04/1944 Princeton (New Jersey / USA)
HUG Armand 23/03/1912 Lausanne (Vaud / CH) 12/09/1975 St Sulpice (Vaud / CH)
HUNKELER Franz 03/03/1955 Oberkirch (Lucerne / CH)
HYTTEN Mario 20/04/1957 Stockholm (S)
KELLER Paul 29/08/1938 Basadingen (Thurgovie / CH) 29/09/1998 Schaffhouse (Schaffhouse)
KELLER-BRYNER Lilian 21/04/1959 Milano (Lombardie / I)
KESSEL Loris 01/04/1950 Massagno (Tessin / CH)
KOCHER Cox 29/05/1942 Aarau (Argovie / CH)
KRUCHER Jean 09/12/1948 Renens (Vaud / CH)
LEUENBERGER Benjamin 11/06/1982 Solothurn (Soleure / CH)
LOEWE Herbert 07/11/1937 Berne (Berne / CH)
LOMBARDI Pierre-Alain 30/09/1949 Leysin (Vaud / CH)
LUINI Mario 16/06/1951 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
MARGUERON Charles 14/05/1960 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
MARTIN Dominique 23/06/1943 Lausanne (Vaud / CH) 07/07/1998 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
MATTLI Peter 31/05/1944 Wassen (Uri / CH)
MAURER Gerhard 10/02/1938 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
MEIER Willy 20/04/1931 Lausanne (Vaud / CH) 28/10/1991 Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
MENU Alain 09/08/1963 Genève (Genève / CH)
MORAND Paul "Georges" 07/04/1939 La Tour-de-Trême (Fribourg / CH) 12/03/1999 La Tour-de-Trême (Fribourg / CH)
MUELLER Herbert 11/05/1940 Menziken (Argovie / CH) 24/05/1981 Nurburgring (Rhénanie Palatinat / D)
PALLAVICINI Angelo 29/07/1948 Dietikon (Zurich / CH)
PATTHEY Hubert 12/11/1919 Neuchâtel (Neuchâtel / CH)
PILLON Christophe 06/05/1967 Genève (Genève / CH)
PILLON Gérard 01/01/1937 Genève (Genève / CH)
PLASTINA Sandro 10/05/1941 Paola (Calabre / I)
PROBST Eduard 22/12/1898 Bâle (Bâle / CH) 26/05/1974 Bâle (Bâle / CH)
REGAZZONI "Clay" (Gianclaudio Giuseppe) 05/09/1939 Mendrisio (Tessin / CH) 15/12/2006 Parma (Emilie Romagne / I)
RINGGENBERG Walter 01/08/1912 Berne (Berne / CH) 22/01/1988 Berne (Berne / CH)
ROUX Philippe 07/12/1952 Verbier (Valais / CH)
RUDAZ Jean-Claude 23/07/1942 Hérémence (Valais / CH)
SAGE Claude François 07/10/1934 Genève (Genève / CH)
SALAMIN Antoine 19/12/1945 Sierre (Valais / CH)
SANTAL Bernard 17/02/1960 Genève (Genève / CH)
SAVARY André 08/10/1943 Vuillerens sur Morges (Vaud / CH)
SCHAEFER Armand 09/04/1935 Genève (Genève / CH)
SCHAFER Georges 28/11/1937 Leysin (Vaud / CH)
SCHETTY Peter 21/06/1942 Bâle (Bâle / CH)
SCHILLER Heinz 25/01/1930 Frauenfeld (Thurgau / CH) 26/03/2007 Crans-Montana (Valais / CH)
SCHULTHESS Heinz 10/03/1939 St-Gall (St-Gall / CH)
SEILER Tony 18/03/1958 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
SELZ Jean 14/02/1935 Sion (Valais / CH) 04/02/2003 Gland (Vaud / CH)
SIFFERT Joseph 07/07/1936 Fribourg (Fribourg / CH) 24/10/1971 Brands-Hatch (Kent / GB)
SIFFERT Philippe 28/01/1971 Fribourg (Fribourg / CH)
SPOERRY Dieter 14/03/1937 Zurich (Zurich / CH) 26/08/1972 Seewis in Prättigau (Grisons /CH)
SPYCHIGER Tommy (Thomas) 09/09/1934 Langenthal (Berne / CH) 25/04/1965 Monza (Lombardie / I)
STALDER Fred 30/03/1942 Moutier (Berne / CH)
STEINEMANN Hans Heinrich "Rico" 16/06/1939 Zurich (Zurich / CH) 12/06/2003 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
STRAEHL Eugen 02/05/1944 St-Gall (St-Gall / CH)
SURER Marc 18/09/1951 Füllinsdorf (Bâle / CH)
THUNER Bernard 29/11/1960 Nyon (Vaud / CH)
THUNER Jean-Jacques 10/03/1933 Lausanne (Vaud /CH)
TRISCONI François 28/02/1948 Aigle (Vaud / CH)
VANOLI Marco 02/05/1949 Lucerne (Lucerne / CH)
VETSCH Florian 09/06/1941 Genève (Genève / CH)
VIAL Gérard 11/11/1941 St-Martin (Neufchâtel / CH)
VOEGELE Charles 12/03/1923 Uznach (Zug / CH) 21/04/2002 Altendorf (Schwyz / CH)
VOLLERY William 10/01/1949 Lausanne (Vaud / CH) 11/09/1989 Berne (Berne / CH)
VUAGNAT Eric 14/01/1952 Genève (Genève / CH)
WAEFFLER Hans 07/08/1914 Bâle (Bâle / CH) 25/081998 Zurich (Zurich / CH)
WALTER Hans-Joachim 28/07/1927 Ruti (Zurich / CH)
WICKY André 22/05/1928 Mont-sur-Lausanne (Vaud / CH)
ZACCHIA Steve 15/08/1982 Yverdon-les-Bains (Vaud / CH)
ZBINBEN Peter 09/10/1937 Bâle (Bâle / CH)

[ReWind]

@Haine Kane: Many thanks for those dates. Just wonderful.

But [nit-picking mode on] there are some mis-spellings which should be corrected:
Fassler, Marcel in fact is Marcel Fässler.
Krucher, Jean in fact is Jean Krucker.
Mueller, Herbert in fact is Herbert Müller.
Seiler, Tony in fact is Toni Seiler.
Straehl, Eugen in fact is Eugen Strähl.
Voegele, Charles in fact is Charles Vögele.
Walter, Hans Joachim (b. 1927) in fact is Heinrich Walter, usually called „Heini“. (Hans-Joachim Walter [1929 - 1988] was a German driver [European Rally Champion 1961].)[nit-picking mode off]

I would like to know whether the following ones are the correct spellings:
Loewe, Herbert – also possible: Löwe
Schaefer, Armand – also possible [and found elsewhere that way]: Schäfer, Schaeffer
Schafer, Georges – also possible: Schäfer

What puzzles me are the life dates of Rico Steinemann: In his short obituary in „Motorsport aktuell“ from 17 June 2003 it was stated that he died four days before his 64th birthday. At the moment I cannot locate my source for his dying date. Since I noted it as 10 Jun 2003 I concluded that he was born on 14 Jun 1939.

Now it is said he was born on 16 Jun 1939 and died on 12 Jun 2003 which also fits with the gap of four days. So my question is: Has someone a bullet-proof date of death for Rico Steinemann?

[ReWind]

I just found a small clue about the birth date of Danish driver Jens Winther (whose full name - I think - is Jens Winther Nielsen).

In 1986 German monthly "rallye racing" announced his forthcoming retirement and mentioned that he would turn 48 on Christmas that year.

Alas, that's not totally clear because it leaves at least three options regarding the exact date (24 Dec, 25 Dec, or 26 Dec). But if that piece of info is correct it means he was born in 1938.

[bschenker]

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Voegele, Charles in fact is Charles Vögele.

This is correct, only Charles himself used also sometimes Voegele; I have to find some pictures with his name on the racecars. I’m not sure but think hi used the “Charles Voegele Team” variant.

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[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane
BELGIAN DRIVERS
ROUSSELLE Freddy

Maybe he is the one: Freddy Narcisse Rousselle, b. 15 May 1927 at Verviers.

[ReWind]

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Originally posted by Haine Kane
USA
RICE" Georges VIOLAT

That should be George J. Viola who used "George Rice" as a pseudonym.

From the Social Security Death Index I have the following dates: born 22 February 1914, died 26 February 2003.

(Remark: Respected author G.E. White has other dates [01 Feb 1914 - 10 Dec 1987] which IMHO are not the correct ones.)

[fines]

George Rice raced at Le Mans? Just out of curiosity, but when was that?

Reinhard, where is your George Viola born, and where did he die? I think it's quite unlikely that Gordon White should have wrong dates, especially for his death, since George Rice was quite a popular figure in US short track racing.

[David McKinney]

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Originally posted by fines
George Rice raced at Le Mans? Just out of curiosity, but when was that?

1952, with John Fitch in a Cunningham C4R (DNF)

[Richard Jenkins]

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Originally posted by fines
Reinhard, where is your George Viola born, and where did he die? I think it's quite unlikely that Gordon White should have wrong dates, especially for his death, since George Rice was quite a popular figure in US short track racing.

This is Gordon's George Viola:-
George Rice was born George Viola, on Feb. 1, 1914 in Milford, Connecticut. He was the son of Italian immigrants, Joseph and Rose Viola. Joseph was a blacksmith. George had a younger brother, John, born in September, 1917.

George took the racing name "Rice" when he began driving big cars at Brockton, Massachusetts, in 1932. In 1934 he began racing in the old ARA circuit at Crossbay Speedway, Long Island. He drove a rocker-arm
Riley at Huntington and Cherry Park, Connecticut and switched to midgets in 1936.

He and Johnny worked days at Page Brothers Chevrolet in Milford, Connecticut.

His first midget was a J.A.P. cycle, but when parts became hard to get he switched to the Slim Schroeder Carlheim, then to Eddie Bourgnon's Harley. He won the indoor title in 1940 at the Bronx Coliseum. In 1941 he drove the Roy Hagedorn # 9 Carlheim. In his last pre-war race he ran over a car driven by Herbie Heldt and went end-for-end, washing out the Bourgnon car, but received only bruises.

He joined the Navy and served as a chief petty officer on an LST in the Pacific.

After the war he drove for Frank Curtis in the Curtis # 5 and # 8 Kurtis-Kraft Offys, winning the ARDC title in 1947.

George died in Fairfield, Connecticut, December 10, 1987.
(Posted on YRH recently)

That is backed up by the SSDI - http://search.ancest...si=0&gss=angs-b

Reinhard's is at the top - this fellow died in Florida, but was also from Connecticut.

But where Reinhard may be coming from is - has Gordon fitted the dates around the man?

This is George Viola's Connecticut Death Index entry - http://search.ancest...si=0&gss=angs-b

which 1) Says he was born in New York, 2) died in Danbury, Connecticut, and c) worked in the electronic component industry http://search.ancest...7947&recoff=1 2

Hmm.. our man? Probably not.


And then, crucially - George James Viola - son of Joseph & Rosalie - http://search.ancest...=angs-b&srchb=t is the one that died in Florida - but was actually born in 1913.


Whilst Gordon's reputation is excellent, I must admit Reinhard's dates fit with the correct man. Gordon has the right man & description, but not the right dates.

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Originally posted by Jager


Even though Lucio did most of his driving in Australia, I'm told when he raced at Le Mans in 1985 for Lancia he raced under the Italian flag (at least that was what was painted on the car). Will see if I can find a picture.

Lucio is living in Melbourne /Aust.where he runs a Motorscooter dealership along with his automotive wholesale business,yep !! dealing mainly in European cars...he did 'proudly' drive for his birthright 'Italy' ,his first 'stint' in the Lancia/Ferrari (engine!!) was the 'late night/early morning' shift,first time at speed and in the 'dark'..he tell's a great story how when the sun came up he could see the cnr 'apexs' better and found a 'couple seconds 'a lap improvement to his lap times, reason Lucio never went on with the his European drive was that Lancia pulled out of Le Mans over the engine supply contract, but held its drivers under contract for the following season,so, Lucio returned to assist his family with thier European car service/sales centre operating in Melbourne..he's still the best hand brake 'U-Turn' operator in a Ferrari at 80kph that i've ever had the pleasrure off driving with ,'Cops' still think they saw two Ferrari's that night !!!!

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There is this Wikipedia article whose author claims to be the daughter of George Viola aka Rice!
She says he was born on 22 February 1913.

Strangely the SSDI also has February 22nd as birth day, but in 1914!

Having a look at Richie's last link there are both years, too!

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Originally posted by Richie Jenkins
Whilst Gordon's reputation is excellent, I must admit Reinhard's dates fit with the correct man. Gordon has the right man & description, but not the right dates.

Unfortunately Gordon Eliot White posted on TNF only once and hasn't been seen ever since. :