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#1 Romulus

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 13:46

Let's discuss this winters testings.
When and where will testing start?

Will Kimi and Alonso be released to test for their new teams?

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#2 vsubravet

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 14:07

Yep, that's what I want to know, too. When does Winter Testing start? I do believe that RD is not going to allow KR to test for Ferrari until the year is out; unless of course, Renault release FA from his contractual obligations. In which case Ron could well let Kimi go earlier than the Dec.31 deadline.

#3 Timstr11

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 14:22

The test ban lasts till 20 November.
But I only know Jerez testing scheduled for:
5-8 December
12-15 December

#4 vsubravet

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 14:47

November 20, huh? Ferrari could, in all probability be the first team out on track, immediately after 20th. Most of the Michelin teams were asking BS to supply them with tyres, much earlier than the scheduled December test sessions.

#5 Dudley

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 14:50

Kimi won't test till the new year.

#6 kawen

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 14:58

http://www.circuitca...?canal=Calendar
Barcelona

Nov: 28 29 30
Dec: 1

#7 vsubravet

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 15:07

Originally posted by kawen
http://www.circuitca...?canal=Calendar
Barcelona

Nov: 28 29 30
Dec: 1


:up: Thanks, mate.

#8 Owen

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 15:10

Originally posted by Dudley
Kimi won't test till the new year.


Unless Renault hand over Alonso...

#9 MortenF1

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 16:09

Post season test days:

15 December - Jerez
14 December - Jerez
13 December - Jerez
12 December - Jerez
8 December - Jerez
7 December - Jerez
6 December - Jerez
5 December - Jerez
1 December - Barcelona
30 November - Barcelona
29 November - Barcelona
28 November - Barcelona

#10 Timstr11

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 17:04

Originally posted by race addicted
Post season test days:

15 December - Jerez
14 December - Jerez
13 December - Jerez
12 December - Jerez
8 December - Jerez
7 December - Jerez
6 December - Jerez
5 December - Jerez
1 December - Barcelona
30 November - Barcelona
29 November - Barcelona
28 November - Barcelona

It will be a total of 9 days before the end of the year. You have listed three days too many.

#11 Lorran

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 17:25

I think that Bridgestone will support 9 days testing before the new year with the new specs of tires.

However, I think that the teams can still test with the old specification tires, which can be useful for testing certain mechanical components etc.

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 17:47

Originally posted by Lorran
I think that Bridgestone will support 9 days testing before the new year with the new specs of tires.

However, I think that the teams can still test with the old specification tires, which can be useful for testing certain mechanical components etc.

What old spec? Don't think so.

#13 MortenF1

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Posted 23 October 2006 - 17:49

Originally posted by Timstr11
It will be a total of 9 days before the end of the year. You have listed three days too many.


OK, those days was what I'd been told.

I guess the tests are three-day tests and not four then.

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 18:53

Jerez test begins on the 6th December I believe.

#15 Lorran

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 19:39

McLaren lists the testing days as follows: -

PROVISIONAL WINTER TEST SCHEDULE
Barcelona - 28th, 29th and 30th November
Jerez - 6th, 7th and 8th December
Jerez - 13th, 14th and 15th December

The above days have been confirmed as Bridgstone spec 2007 tire test days. Michellin has left open the possibility of additional test days on 2006 tires if any of the teams so require.

#16 Dudley

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 19:41

Originally posted by Owen


Unless Renault hand over Alonso...


Won't make a difference, it's not the same two teams. McLaren agreeing to hand Kimi to Ferrari early if Renault release Alonso is the one thing that'll stop Renault doing it.

#17 carbonfibre

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 21:18

Could Ferrari pull out Michael to do a couple of test before Kimi comes?

Might be a good call, i keep hearing that Kimi has the same driving style as Michael so he could give some advice's.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 15:25

Originally posted by Timstr11
What old spec? Don't think so.

The Current Michelins, and yes Michelin have said that they're happy to support request, but that they must be made quickly as staff are being reassigned.

#19 kaboom

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 16:10

Is there any point to test with Michelin's?

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#20 prty

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 19:56

Originally posted by kaboom
Is there any point to test with Michelin's?


Alonso said he would like to test with Michelins the McLaren so he can compare better with the Renault. Changing tyres and car at the same time, knowing how much the performance depends on them, is not very logic.

He also said McLaren is trying to get him released from Renault.

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 19:58

Is there any point to test with Michelin's?


There is if BS would have refused to give enough tyres.

#22 Calorus

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 20:26

Originally posted by jokuvaan

There is if BS would have refused to give enough tyres.

Exactly, there's time next year to check performance, but the can check reliability 'till the cows come home.

Also there's no reason for next year's Bridgestones to be anything like this year's.

#23 Mauseri

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 21:06

Originally posted by kaboom
Is there any point to test with Michelin's?

Yes, Alonso would say this would have been great car to fight for the championship.

#24 stalix

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 10:35

28. bis 30. November, Barcelona
1: Robert Kubica, Nick Heidfeld
2: Robert Kubica, Nick Heidfeld
3: Robert Kubica, Timo Glock

6. bis 8. Dezember, Jerez
1: Robert Kubica, Sebastian Vettel
2: Robert Kubica, Nick Heidfeld
3: Nick Heidfeld, Timo Glock

13. bis 15. Dezember, Jerez
1: Nick Heidfeld, Sebastian Vettel
2: Nick Heidfeld, Robert Kubica
3: Robert Kubica, Sebastian Vettel


http://www.f1total.c.../06110703.shtml

#25 MortenF1

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:47

One - 1 day for Kubica?! That's strange.

#26 Jhope

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 14:27

Originally posted by race addicted
One - 1 day for Kubica?! That's strange.


I just counted 7 days for Kubica....where did you count 1?

#27 MortenF1

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 14:29

*rubs eyes* again, and again and again...

-I've no idea!
:lol:

#28 MortenF1

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 13:04

Schedule for the upcoming Barcelona-test....

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Funny, Ferrari gets four days. :rolleyes:

...Perhaps it's a day planned for wet-tires?

#29 carbonfibre

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 13:08

Come on RA don't do the :rolleyes: i assume you are suggesting that it's unfair?

I bet the other teams got the chance as well but apparantly don't find it interesting or don't want to spend money on it.

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 13:12

Errr, they had to hassle Bridgestone to grant them three tests, so I'm in no doubt they would've stayed for a fourth day.

But as I said, it might be a day for wet-tires (artificially wet track), hence B-stone feel they only need one team to run them, so they do it with Ferrari, their favourite client.

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 20:03

05 - 08 Diciembre 2006 (*) Ferrari / Honda / McLaren / Red Bull / Renault / Sauber / Super Aguri / Toro Rosso / Toyota / Williams
(*) El equipo italiano Ferrari es el único que empieza el día 5, el resto el día 6.

12 - 15 Diciembre 2006 (*) Ferrari / Honda / Mclaren / Red Bull / Renault / Sauber / Super Aguri / Toro Rosso / (*) Toyota / Williams
(*) Los equipos Ferrari y Toyota comenzarán el día 12 (el resto el 13). Asimismo, Toyota será el único equipo que concluye sus test el día 14.

Jerez testing also shows Ferrari testing days not completely in sync with other teams.

#32 qwazy

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Posted 18 November 2006 - 23:25

Originally posted by race addicted
Errr, they had to hassle Bridgestone to grant them three tests, so I'm in no doubt they would've stayed for a fourth day.

But as I said, it might be a day for wet-tires (artificially wet track), hence B-stone feel they only need one team to run them, so they do it with Ferrari, their favourite client.


... And Toyota?

#33 MortenF1

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 01:43

Originally posted by qwazy


... And Toyota?


Oh, you mean the other team that's got three-day test scheduled?

#34 qwazy

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 21:42

Yes, but you said they would probably do some wet testing with their favorite team; Ferrari.

But if they were to do it on Dec. 1, they'd be doing it with Toyota as well. And if they were doing it before, they'd include all the other teams.

#35 MortenF1

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 21:57

I still don't get what you mean.
But yes, if it really is a day meant for testing of wets, then Toyota would be running them as well.
....we've heard about Toyota's and B-stone's "tug of war" though...

On a different note; sorry for Button not being able to test, but I'm happy that Klien will get the chance straight away. I'd love to get a hint about how quick he can be relative to Barrichello.
(the end of day times wont provide that - btw, will we get access to the full laptimes from Autosport?)

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 22:21

No doubt at the end of the day as will put the fastest laps up.

At catalunya they have that java applet live timing thing though which is might handy so you can see the times as they are posted.

#37 jokuvaan

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 22:56

Turun Sanomat doesnt believe that Alonso could test before January.

#38 MortenF1

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Posted 25 November 2006 - 23:24

I'm aware about that, kar, but I liked reading it on Autosport. :)

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 00:56

Originally posted by race addicted
I still don't get what you mean.
But yes, if it really is a day meant for testing of wets, then Toyota would be running them as well.
....we've heard about Toyota's and B-stone's "tug of war" though...

On a different note; sorry for Button not being able to test, but I'm happy that Klien will get the chance straight away. I'd love to get a hint about how quick he can be relative to Barrichello.
(the end of day times wont provide that - btw, will we get access to the full laptimes from Autosport?)


"... hence B-stone feel they only need one team to run them, so they do it with Ferrari, their favourite client."

I was just making reference to that and saying that Toyota would be running as well. From what I read, it seemed like you were saying Ferrari would be the only team, hand-picked by Bridgestone.

Maybe I misread it. :)

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#40 carbonfibre

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 08:50

But guys what is the deal with Toyota?

Are they trying to get more tyre sets for the testing then the other teams or am i wrong?

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 18:38

Originally posted by qwazy


"... hence B-stone feel they only need one team to run them, so they do it with Ferrari, their favourite client."

I was just making reference to that and saying that Toyota would be running as well. From what I read, it seemed like you were saying Ferrari would be the only team, hand-picked by Bridgestone.

Maybe I misread it. :)


With their "favourite client", I did not mean that as something negative.
(What I don't like however, is if one team runs away getting more testing days.)

Yep, carbonfibre, Toyota have been lobbying for more tires.

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Posted 26 November 2006 - 20:13

Hmm strange move, good thing Bridgestone is keeping their foot down (so far).

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 08:34

Quite poor though, as apparently the toyota top-brass were trying to 'influence' the bridgestone
top-brass, purely on nationality....

I suppose, if you don't try, you don't get!

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 08:57

Originally posted by intweb2001
Quite poor though, as apparently the toyota top-brass were trying to 'influence' the bridgestone
top-brass, purely on nationality....

I suppose, if you don't try, you don't get!

:confused:


Not purely on nationality, purely on the fact that Toyota is BS main customer regarding tyres.
That IS pathetic!

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 16:44

Sad indeed Bridgestone ofcourse can't do it because if they do that all hell will break loose among the other teams.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 16:54

Surprised to read that Ammermueller will test for Red Bull this week. Sure he was their third driver at the last four G's P this year, but it would be logical to have the more experienced Doornbos take part in this test.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 16:56

Originally posted by race addicted
Surprised to read that Ammermueller will test for Red Bull this week. Sure he was their third driver at the last four G's P this year, but it would be logical to have the more experienced Doornbos take part in this test.

Yes but again what is Doornbos up too?

STR drivers still havent confirmed as far as i know, sure Berger said that it was highly likely that it would be the same two but still no confirmation. Maybe Doornbos is still working on that STR deal?

But again then he could still test for RBR, which indeed would have maked more sense.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 17:00

Yeah, I thought about that; that it might be because he's sorting out something with STR. Afterall, he has said that he'll be "part of the Red Bull family" (nice way to answer a question without doing it - perhaps something is going on), but Speed has also said that he looks forward to 2007, and that next year should be better. 'Cause surely it would have to be him that would have to make way for Doornbos and not Liuzzi?

I'm also not entirely sure - will DC test this week or not?
Autosport says Webber will run on the first two days, then hand over to Ammermueller on the final day. So, will DC be there for all three days or none? 'Cause it would seem strange to have him test for two days, and just run one car on the last day.

....and Heidfeld looks like a bush-man! He's been lazy since Brazil.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 17:55

Originally posted by race addicted
....and Heidfeld looks like a bush-man! He's been lazy since Brazil.

Yeah. :lol:

On a german website, he said that he considers BMW Sauber as the best team of the year due to the progress they made up to 5th. Next step to fourth is the aim, but it will be much harder he says. Also he hopes to be in position to win GP from 2008 onwards.

From the same source, the F1.07 should be launched at Valencia on January 15th. The next day and at the same location it will be McLaren's MP4/22.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 18:10

You mixed the dates up; 16th for BMW and 15th for McLaren-Mercedes. :)