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[senna da silva]

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Originally posted by Classic Ferrari
Massa may have well drove better than Lewis this year, scored more wins less mistakes ect. But the fact this that Lewis never had any reliability problems or team blunders. The worst they got was Germany and he still won it.

Congrats to the team anyways!

Yeah the gifts of Spa and Valencia from the FIA that Massa really deserved. In reality Lewis won more races and had the championship wrapped up in China, anything else is pure fantasy from the Ferrari sheep.

[senna da silva]

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Originally posted by AFCA
Forza Magica Ferrari - Campione del Mondo 2008

I so love that Ferrari lost. Massa's family celebrating prematurely was the best part.

[Johny Bravo]

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Originally posted by senna da silva


Yeah the gifts of Spa and Valencia from the FIA that Massa really deserved. In reality Lewis won more races and had the championship wrapped up in China, anything else is pure fantasy from the Ferrari sheep.

Yeah the gifts of the FIA and Bernie that they did not ban Mclaren for disgusting cheating from the 2008 season did really help LEW1S. Anything else is pure fantasy of the sheep licking LEW1S's ar.se from the inside.

First and foremost Ron and his team should have been banned from any types of motor racing for life.

[Atreiu]

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Originally posted by Nonesuch

The team is free to decide, it's not regulated as such.

Depending on the launch date, it'll probably be announced in the official FIA 2009 entry list or during the launch of the F2009.

I don't think they're free.
IIRC, Lewis was to have number 23 this season, but he had to take 22 because he had scored more points than Kovalainen in 2007.

[senna da silva]

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Originally posted by Johny Bravo


Yeah the gifts of the FIA and Bernie that they did not ban Mclaren for disgusting cheating from the 2008 season did really help LEW1S. Anything else is pure fantasy of the sheep licking LEW1S's ar.se from the inside.

First and foremost Ron and his team should have been banned from any types of motor racing for life.

Bitter?

[rolf123]

senna da silva, stop being a dick. I'm amazed by your behaviour considering Senna and Massa are from the same country.

[bond]

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Originally posted by rolf123
senna da silva, stop being a dick. I'm amazed by your behaviour

Look who's talking....
Sorry couldn't resist...

[Dragonfly]

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Originally posted by rolf123
senna da silva, stop being a dick. I'm amazed by your behaviour considering Senna and Massa are from the same country.

One cannot stop being what he is ...

[chrisj]

I like the fact that di Montezemolo and Domenicali have restored some Latin personality to the team this year. I'm not being sarcastic. Ferrari is easier to like now, than in the brutally efficient Todt/Brawn/Schumacher days. I prefer rooting for them as an underdog. I hope Massa wins it next season. He showed a lot of character this year, and he's way better than anyone thought.

[kal-el]

Great Job Felipe.
Congrats Hamilton.

And regarding Hamilton/Senna comparisons, until he wins more in the next few years, let us limit our comparisons to Lewis/Jacques Villeneuve. I see no reason to compare otherwise, yet.

[raikkonenpower]

Comeon now guys move on lewis has won gud for him lets hope Ferrari produce another gem of car next year
AFCA wen do u plan to start the F2009 thread cuz i cant wait

[Galko877]

I wrote it in another thread but I write it here again: the most impressive thing about Massa this weekend was how strong he was under the enormous pressure (title decider - which he HAD TO win, a home GP). He never put a foot wrong all weekend long and it was his first time in title decider! Meanwhile Lewis almost managed to throw it away for the second time in a row and it wasn't in his hands that he didn't at the end.

Actually when I looked at pics of Felipe this weekend, he looked to be enjoying the attention and the home hype, rather than being paralyzed by it! IMO that is impressive and a good sign. We have two top drivers (well, if Kimi comes back, and I'm sure he will).

[SF_TechnoFox]

Thank You Massa & Kimi, Thank you Ferrari ! Felipe, You are the champion!

[mimin]

I am still waiting what Luca D. has to say after the race.

I am still hurt to see Massa after the race.

[ATM_Andy]

Congratulations to the whole Ferrari team, well deserved constructors champions.

[Philzippy]

I think Domenicali has done an excellent job this year and has actually made The Ferrari team likeable (something I don't think I would have said before this year). They deserved the WCC - they built and developed the best car..

[valachus]

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Originally posted by senna da silva


Bitter?

/say hello to my little but very exclusive ignore list

[mkay]

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Originally posted by valachus


/say hello to my little but very exclusive ignore list

You can not not find this funny..

[Verderer]

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Originally posted by Johny Bravo
After the first 2 races Felipe proved wrong many - including me - that he would be quick on his days but too eager and hot blooded to stay in charge for a whole season.

Felipe did a superb season and proved, he really is quick and mature for a WDC.

Too bad he happened to drive for a (by their own measures) braindead Ferrari team. It's just stunning how many points were lost due to unreliability, totally unnecessary strategic errors (braindead rain forecasts etc) and unforced errors on the pit crew side (lollipop-gate).

Though our drivers had their fair share in losing points by idiotic driver errors, the team was really hopeless. Do we still remember the British GP? I personally got disheartened by the Ferrari team at that very race. So amateurish, it was deadly painful.

All in all, Ferrari did not deserve their WCC, and still got it, while Felipe was a well deserving champion, but did not win it.

One has to wonder, how below-average Mclaren and Lewis should have been all year that they barely beat Felipe by 1 mere point, and lost the WCC.

Yeah, by the same token it can be said Ferrari's big screwup was the complete inability/willingness to develop the car in the direction Kimi needed. Had they done so, or even reverted back to the early season parts, Kimi would easily have won the WC. It's unbelievable how badly they miscalculated this. I mean, Kimi would have scored a lot more points with the early season setup than Massa with all the latest development parts. It was a total waste on Ferrari's part. So I wouldn't go congratulating Ferrari on anything, unless you're Massa. For him the car development suited better obviously.

[mkay]

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Originally posted by Italiano Tifoso


Well put!

Faultless comments on every front, i dont believe there is a Ferrari or McLaren supporter who can debate any of these points.

Actually yes.

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No, Lewis is not undeserving, only not more deserving than Massa IMO. Massa won more races to start with. I know Spa was not really his but Lewis', but in turn Hungary and Singapore should have been Massa's. I think they have made about the same amount of costly mistakes and what made the difference was that engine blow in Hungary or that Singapore blunder by the team, as McLaren haven't commited such mistakes. Hamilton's car never once stopped because of a mechanical failure (actually never in his two years in F

Massa's mechanical failures have nothing to do with "deserved" wins. This is up to Ferrari to produce a reliable car. Kind of like what happened for Kimi. If he had a more reliable car in 2005, he would have easily won the WDC, but then, you have to remember that reliability, or the team's work is also a big factor in the WDC. This is what helped Michael win 5 in a row. Ferrari was untouchable at the dawn of the century (2000 to 2004) in terms of reliability/performance.

Massa didn't help himself in Australia/Malaysia and also at Monaco and Silverstone. He has made mistakes, as many as Hamilton. One can say Hamilton was lucky to have a reliable car, but one can say Massa was lucky to have FIA on his side (Spa, Fuji and some ridiculous McLaren penalties like in Malaysia or France).

Your post is good, very good, but there are some points open to discussion I guess...

[kar]

Well gutted for Felipe - he's proved himself an outstanding driver and while I'm gutted we lost the drivers title, I am proud at the performances Felipe turned in this season.

Ferrari lost the drivers title not because they didn't have a driver capable of sealing the deal but because of operational and mechanical failure.

It reminds me a little too much of 1998/1999 actually. What is heartening though is the knowledge that Ferrari have probably the overall strongest driver line up. Ferrari have a stable engineering and management team now and clear room for improvement. If you look at the seachange of management at Ferrari the only low relative decline in effectiveness is remarkable. McLaren will probably have to manage something of that next year when Ron retires.

Given that two years running they have produced the fastest car, they now need to take care of the 1%ers that saw the title fight won precariously in 2007 and lost just as precariously in 2008.

If Ferrari can continue its technical excellence and combine it with the sort of discipline and attention to detail characterised by the Todt reign then Ferrari will be a stronger challenge for the championship next year.

Anyway, constructors title is in the bag - that's something to be happy about

[kar]

Oh and the best thing - Kimi and Felipe's moment on the podium

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by rolf123
I know this might sound bad but the biggest obstacle to Massa winning again is Kimi, if he suddenly starts to deliver again. I'd like for the team to build the car even more about Massa.

Nothing personal against Kimi, but he already has a WDC.

Will be interesting to see what kind of beast the F2009 will be.

I think it was the first and the last chance for Fellipe to become a champion. This season all updates was for him, Kimi struggle a lot, in the end the team almost lose WCC and then they back Kimi. With new rules I think Kimi destroy Massa next season. He isn't a guy who walk twice into the same water.

Another question will Ferrari fights next year for both titles?

[rolf123]

Ferrari post-race press release:

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Felipe Massa
“It was an exciting day. We did everything to perfection and we almost managed to pull it off. Then, as I crossed the line, Rob told me that Hamilton had finished fifth and therefore he took the title by one point.
Sport is like this and one has to accept that. Congratulations to Lewis: whoever gets the most points deserves the title. I am very proud of the whole team and how much support they have given me during this fantastic season."

"Now we must be happy with what have done, namely bringing home the Constructors’ title which I know is so important for the team. It was a season of highs and lows and we have learned a lot, from the good moments and from our mistakes. I can leave Interlagos with my head held high because once again I have won in front of my home crowd and because this is an unforgettable day. Now I want to celebrate with my family, my friends and my team. We deserve it!”

Kimi Raikkonen
“I am happy that the team has managed to win the Constructors’ title and I am sorry for Felipe, who has lost the title by a single point. That’s racing and we have to live with it. I am particularly happy for Stefano, in his first year as team principal as I know how much pressure he has had to deal with and I think that this result is a good reward for that. My race was not particularly exciting."

[Galko877]

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Originally posted by Odvan

I think it was the first and the last chance for Fellipe to become a champion. This season all updates was for him, Kimi struggle a lot, in the end the team almost lose WCC and then they back Kimi. With new rules I think Kimi destroy Massa next season. He isn't a guy who walk twice into the same water.

Another question will Ferrari fights next year for both titles?

Räikkönen is always supposed to "destroy Massa" according to his fans. Never happened.

[Galko877]

Michael congratulates Lewis Hamilton

Michael congratulates the new World Champion Lewis Hamilton and sends greetings to Felipe Massa.

"What a finale. I am still overwhelmed from the race yesterday. I have never seen anything like this, not as a racer and not as a spectator - you can probably only say it was fate. I congratulate Lewis Hamilton and I am sending very warm greetings to Felipe and all our guys in Brasil. Felipe can leave that race with his head up, as with this performance he surely has convinced all the people who still had doubts about his driving skills. He will for sure attack again next year."

[rolf123]

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Originally posted by Odvan

I think it was the first and the last chance for Fellipe to become a champion. This season all updates was for him, Kimi struggle a lot, in the end the team almost lose WCC and then they back Kimi. With new rules I think Kimi destroy Massa next season. He isn't a guy who walk twice into the same water.

Another question will Ferrari fights next year for both titles?

I don't think we can say that the car was intentionally developed in Massa's direction. If you think about it, the development was a natural extension of the type used throughout Schumi's career as Massa and Schumi have a similar understeer-preferring style.

Next year, anything can happen. Ferrari and McLaren may not even be the best anymore with such a radical change in rules. Heck, Renault may even have the fastest car next year.

What makes you think Kimi will destroy Massa next year? Strange logic, if you ask me. Personally I think Kimi has the most problems in his inability to cope and drive around problems. Reminds me of Bourdais bitching about his car (although Kimi does not bitch) while Vettel destroys him.

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by Galko877


Räikkönen is always supposed to "destroy Massa" according to his fans. Never happened.

Raiki become a world champion in his first year in Ferrari in car, that half of a season doesn't suit him.
Another slogan from you?

[fnz]

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Originally posted by Galko877


Räikkönen is always supposed to "destroy Massa" according to his fans. Never happened.

Neither will it happen next year.

[kar]

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Originally posted by fnz


Neither will it happen next year.

Kimi will be much stronger next year - we saw glimpses of it this season but write Raikkonen off at your peril. At the same time though, Massa is a bit of a late bloomer and he will leave this season supremely confident.

Raikkonen will be back, and Massa will be even better next year. Good for Ferrari, good for the sport. And there is the small matter of a resurgent rampaging Alonso and an ever improving Sebastian Vettel. Throw in Kubica and Heidfeld in what will probably be a rocket of a bmw and you get lots of ---->

Watch out Hamilton, winning a title is one thing - defending it something completely else

[Galko877]

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Originally posted by Odvan


Raiki become a world champion in his first year in Ferrari in car, that half of a season doesn't suit him.
Another slogan from you?

Strange how Räikkönen's cars never suit him...

[fnz]

kar, I'n not saying Kimi won't end up with more points next year. But he won't destroy him, Massa is just too good to get DESTROYED by anyone on the grid. (but ofcourse that's only my 5 cents).

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by rolf123

What makes you think Kimi will destroy Massa next year? Strange logic, if you ask me. Personally I think Kimi has the most problems in his inability to cope and drive around problems. Reminds me of Bourdais bitching about his car (although Kimi does not bitch) while Vettel destroys him.

Kimi is a smart and very focused guy. I don't think he repeat mistakes. And i don't think Ferrari will develop car updates in one direction for one pilot. We see what happened - team almost lose WCC. And I think new rules can play for Kimi - slicks will be better for heating tyres and bigger front wing with smaller rear makes cars more oversteer than under. Fellipe's gradual progress for three years based on work with one car - every year it was evolution. In 2009 it will be absolutely something new.

But we will see.

[z2z]

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Originally posted by kar


Kimi will be much stronger next year - we saw glimpses of it this season but write Raikkonen off at your peril. At the same time though, Massa is a bit of a late bloomer and he will leave this season supremely confident.

Raikkonen will be back, and Massa will be even better next year. Good for Ferrari, good for the sport. And there is the small matter of a resurgent rampaging Alonso and an ever improving Sebastian Vettel. Throw in Kubica and Heidfeld in what will probably be a rocket of a bmw and you get lots of ---->

Watch out Hamilton, winning a title is one thing - defending it something completely else

Equality inside the Team hurts WDC!

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by Galko877


Strange how Räikkönen's cars never suit him...

Yeahhh. Even Schumacher noticed that fact.

[Galko877]

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Originally posted by Odvan

Yeahhh. Even Schumacher noticed that fact.

Maybe it has something to do with his feedback - or lack of?

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by z2z

Equality inside the Team hurts WDC!

Agree. So i will bet on Kimi. If F2009 can fight for titles.

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by Galko877


Maybe it has something to do with his feedback - or lack of?

...because of loosing motivation.

You can open your eyes and see strange fact - Kimi since his work in Mac and season 2007 almost forgot how to give a feedback.

[Hacklerf]

Massa, the peoples champion

[kar]

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Originally posted by fnz
kar, I'n not saying Kimi won't end up with more points next year. But he won't destroy him, Massa is just too good to get DESTROYED by anyone on the grid. (but ofcourse that's only my 5 cents).

I agree.

To be honest I don't think having two strong drivers will hurt us for the title, it hasn't in 2007 and it didn't in 2008 and I doubt it will in 2009.

Indeed it's why Ferrari -despite having dreadful reliability and operational effectiveness - still won the WCC, albeit with the fastest car.

[z2z]

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Originally posted by kar


I agree.

To be honest I don't think having two strong drivers will hurt us for the title, it hasn't in 2007 and it didn't in 2008 and I doubt it will in 2009.

Indeed it's why Ferrari -despite having dreadful reliability and operational effectiveness - still won the WCC, albeit with the fastest car.

I partly agree but preference from the start of the season helps ..you can't deny that.

I m not saying to sabotage one of driver like Mclaren did to Heikki

[emburmak]

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Originally posted by Odvan

I think it was the first and the last chance for Fellipe to become a champion. This season all updates was for him, Kimi struggle a lot, in the end the team almost lose WCC and then they back Kimi. With new rules I think Kimi destroy Massa next season. He isn't a guy who walk twice into the same water.

Another question will Ferrari fights next year for both titles?

It will not.

As for KR 'destroying' FM; that off-claimed quote has never happened. Next year might be a progression of FM's continious quest for self improvement. He badly beat KR this year after marginally losing to him last year, who can say for sure what next year will bring?

[JazH]

Kimi hasn't destroyed Massa in the last two season, what makes 2009 so special? I remember the naysayers say Felipe will struggle without traction control...

So much for that theory.

Anyway, I think it's been a decent year, we lost the WDC because of situations like Singapore, where we were winning the race, but lose it due to tactical errors or mistakes.

[Flexa]

btw it's safe for us to say Felipe had a harder job , he had his mistake yes but they're in the share of Hami and Kimi's numbers too, as teammate he had Kimi who is world champion( hamilton had Heikki who never put any competition against), faced alot of problems during the season , and still managed to lost it by just 1 point, overall a great job, congratulations, and hoping our drivers can make it next season

[AFCA]

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Q. There were a few seconds today when Felipe Massa was world champion after crossing the line, and some of the team were celebrating before Lewis got past Glock. Did you believe you had won it?

SD: To be honest, I knew in that moment you can be too emotional and not rational. So I had a document checking off what happens if scenarios. So I was checking, okay first, second, third, fourth – still champion. And then I saw Lewis fifth, I said okay it is not done.

I think that in a way sums up Domenicali's character. An F1 teamboss can't be rational enough I think, obviously not turning into a robot, but that Domenicali surely ain't.

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by emburmak


It will not.

As for KR 'destroying' FM; that off-claimed quote has never happened. Next year might be a progression of FM's continious quest for self improvement. He badly beat KR this year after marginally losing to him last year, who can say for sure what next year will bring?

No. It will.;)

About what self improvement we talk? Massa add +3 points compare to last season. Also the same number of poles, +3 win (include 2 greatest victories in France and Spa:clap: ) and a lot of help from FIA. Car is absolutely suit him. Teammate was off for the WCD since Hockenheim and a lot of bad luck (Canada, France, Silverstone). So.. If Ferrari can be competitive next season (i have doubts about that) - the both drivers will be more less near like two seasons in a row. But if they can't fight i predict very low results from Massa.

[Galko877]

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Originally posted by Odvan


No. It will.;)

About what self improvement we talk? Massa add +3 points compare to last season. Also the same number of poles, +3 win (include 2 greatest victories in France and Spa:clap: ) and a lot of help from FIA. Car is absolutely suit him. Teammate was off for the WCD since Hockenheim and a lot of bad luck (Canada, France, Silverstone). So.. If Ferrari can be competitive next season (i have doubts about that) - the both drivers will be more less near like two seasons in a row. But if they can't fight i predict very low results from Massa.

I know it has been a difficult season for Räikkönen fans, but get over your bitterness already!

[Odvan]

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Originally posted by Galko877


I know it has been a difficult season for Räikkönen fans, but get over your bitterness already!

I'm fine, thank you. But through bitterness you can see rational things. By the way i'm very happy with WCC, and more happy that FM is not a champion. So, kisses and hugs for all.

[pac]

Thank you AFCA for all your efforts. This has been a great thread to read over the season and I reallly enjoy your posts!

[senna da silva]

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Originally posted by Odvan


Kimi is a smart and very focused guy.

Funniest post of the year!