Working on TALBOT-LAGO's history I wasn't yet successful in finding complete chassis and race logs from the types 150C, 90MD (T26SS), 90MC (T26), T26C, T26C-DA, T26GS. There is a book from Pierre Abeillon, but only a short looking for the logs $250 are too much i think.
Is anybody here able to help me?
Great Thanks
E.T.
Talbot-Lago chassis and race logs
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Ray Bell
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Posted 29 January 2000 - 05:07
What model did Barry Collerson drive at Catalina Park in 1961? I believe it was an ex-Sommer car. It certainly had the larger carburettors.
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Posted 30 January 2000 - 03:27
Hi Ray!
Do you mean Catalina Park in Arizona, in Australia, on the Canaries or elsewhere? I didn't know, that there is a raceway named by this. And also I don't know the driver named Barry Collerson.
Maybe you can tell me? If it was an ex-Sommer car, it was the T26C with chassis nr. 110009 built in 1948. As I know , this was the only Talbot-Lago he owned.
But maybe anyone else could do it better. Thats all I know in this matter.
E.T.
Do you mean Catalina Park in Arizona, in Australia, on the Canaries or elsewhere? I didn't know, that there is a raceway named by this. And also I don't know the driver named Barry Collerson.
Maybe you can tell me? If it was an ex-Sommer car, it was the T26C with chassis nr. 110009 built in 1948. As I know , this was the only Talbot-Lago he owned.
But maybe anyone else could do it better. Thats all I know in this matter.
E.T.
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Posted 30 January 2000 - 11:23
110007 was the car that Doug Whiteford used to twice win the Australian GP - 1952 & 1953 (Mt Panorama, Bathurst and Albert Park respectively).
Late in 1954 (too late for the Grand Prix at Southport), he took delivery of a later car - chassis number unknown - which had triple SU carburettors and a 12-plug head (2 plugs per cyl), which he ran for a couple more years.
Now I have a note on my desk saying that the Peter Giddings car is the one that won two Australian GPs and that it was a Chiron car. Elsewhere I have read that Whiteford drove an ex-Sommer car. This could be misinformation.
Collerson I now learn owned 110007. He is a very small man and was dwarfed by the machine. The Amaroo Park to which I refer was in the Blue Mountains to the west of Sydney.
Later Barry raced a Brabham in European F2, living in an old van and towing it from race to race with the starting money they used to get at places like Pau and suchlike. He was joined in this by others Australians Wal Donnelly and Jim Sullivan. They had their fun and came home, while another of their contemporaries went as far as F1 - David Walker.
The last Australian Grand Prix entry for a Lago is Collerson at Lowood in 1960, but he didn't start. Whiteford's history with the second car was not as good as the first, but it was very out of date by the time it got here. When the first one arrived, it was the very latest car in the country. The second came when there were some Maseratis and Ferraris already racing here - so third in the Grand Prix at Port Wakefield in 1955 was a commendable result (the first GP won by a rear engined Cooper), and eighth at Albert Park in 1956 in the year the Maserati works team came out was a display of how out of date the car had become. There were five 250Fs and two Ferraris ahead of him.
These cars both did a lot of minor racing on tracks they should never have seen, leading, I would say, the most varied lives any of this model had.
So do you think the second car was the Sommer Lago?
Late in 1954 (too late for the Grand Prix at Southport), he took delivery of a later car - chassis number unknown - which had triple SU carburettors and a 12-plug head (2 plugs per cyl), which he ran for a couple more years.
Now I have a note on my desk saying that the Peter Giddings car is the one that won two Australian GPs and that it was a Chiron car. Elsewhere I have read that Whiteford drove an ex-Sommer car. This could be misinformation.
Collerson I now learn owned 110007. He is a very small man and was dwarfed by the machine. The Amaroo Park to which I refer was in the Blue Mountains to the west of Sydney.
Later Barry raced a Brabham in European F2, living in an old van and towing it from race to race with the starting money they used to get at places like Pau and suchlike. He was joined in this by others Australians Wal Donnelly and Jim Sullivan. They had their fun and came home, while another of their contemporaries went as far as F1 - David Walker.
The last Australian Grand Prix entry for a Lago is Collerson at Lowood in 1960, but he didn't start. Whiteford's history with the second car was not as good as the first, but it was very out of date by the time it got here. When the first one arrived, it was the very latest car in the country. The second came when there were some Maseratis and Ferraris already racing here - so third in the Grand Prix at Port Wakefield in 1955 was a commendable result (the first GP won by a rear engined Cooper), and eighth at Albert Park in 1956 in the year the Maserati works team came out was a display of how out of date the car had become. There were five 250Fs and two Ferraris ahead of him.
These cars both did a lot of minor racing on tracks they should never have seen, leading, I would say, the most varied lives any of this model had.
So do you think the second car was the Sommer Lago?
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Posted 30 January 2000 - 17:32
Sorry, that was Catalina Park, not Amaroo Park. I can assure you that no Lago Talbot ever ran at Amaroo Park.
But there'll be one at Northam in March, according to this press release I have.
But there'll be one at Northam in March, according to this press release I have.
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Posted 01 February 2000 - 04:47
If you'd like more about their Australian history, AUSTRIA, email me on raybell@eisa.net.au and I will help out. There are people here who know more than me, who have photos of the cars, all sorts of things.
I'm too young for all that.
Whiteford was a great driver, and he had both of them.
I'm too young for all that.
Whiteford was a great driver, and he had both of them.
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Posted 18 July 2000 - 23:21
Well, this is a very old topic but I’d like to give you my Belgian contribution !
Talbot T26 C, logbook - Ecurie Belgique and Ecurie Belge
Chassis used :
110011, 110052 (Ecurie Belgique), driver : Johnny Claes.
110006 (Ecurie Belge), drivers : André Pilette, Jacques Swaters, Roger Laurent, Charles de Tornaco.
1948/10/10 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Coupe du Salon / Monthléry, Did not start (car not ready)
1949/04/24 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP de Paris / Monthléry, 3rd
1949/04/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Jersey International Road race / St-Helier, Did not start
1949/05/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, R.A.C. British GP / Silverstone, 10th
1949/05/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, British Empire Trophy / Douglas, Isle of Man, 8th
1949/05/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 48, Côte de la Sarthe, Hillclimb race / Huy, 1st
1949/06/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP des Frontières / Chimay, 3rd
1949/06/19 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 28, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 5th
1949/07/03 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 13th
1949/07/10 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, retired
1949/07/31 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP van Zandvoort, Heath 1 / Zandvoort, 7th (last)
1949/07/31 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP van Zandvoort, Final / Zandvoort, 9th
1949/08/20 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Daily Express Trophy / Silverstone, 12th
1949/08/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP de Lausanne / Lausanne, 7th
1949/09/11 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP d'Italia & Europa / Monza, 8th
1949/09/25 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Masarykuv Okruh (Czech GP) / Brno, 6th
1950/04/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Journée de l'USA / Monthléry, retired
1950/05/13 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, R.A.C. British & European GP / Silverstone, 11th
1950/05/21 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 6, GP de Monaco / Monaco, 7th
1950/06/04 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 4, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 10th
1950/06/18 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 24, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 8th
1950/07/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 42, GP de l’Automobile Club de France / Reims, retired
1950/07/09 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP di Bari / Lungomare, 8th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Première manche) / Les Planques, 10th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Seconde manche) / Les Planques, 9th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Classement général) / Les Planques, 8th
1950/07/23 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 14, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, 8th (or accident)
1950/07/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, GP des Nations / Genève, not classified (3 pit stops)
1950/08/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 30, BRDC International Trophy, Heath 2 / Silverstone, retired
1950/09/03 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 2, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1950/09/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 6, Richmond Trophy / Goodwood, not classified (Pole Position by ballot)
1950/09/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Woodcote Cup / Goodwood, ?
1950/10/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 20, Penya Rhin / Pedralbes, retired
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 30, 4th Easter Handicap / Goodwood, 1st
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Chichester Cup / Goodwood, ?
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Richmond Trophy / Goodwood, 4th
1951/04/22 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, GP di San Remo / Ospedaletti, Did not start (crash in practise after brake pipe broke, several spectators killed)
1951/05/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 29, Daily Express Trophy, Heath 1 / Silverstone, 14th
1951/05/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 29, Daily Express Trophy / Silverstone, 8th (no official result, Final stopped due to torrential rain and flooding)
1951/05/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Festival of Britain Trophy / Goodwood, 7th
1951/05/27 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 2, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 13th (not classified)
1951/06/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Ulster Trophy / Dundrod, 9th
1951/06/17 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 24, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 6th
1951/06/17 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 16, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 7th
1951/07/01 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 28, GP de l’Automobile Club de France / Reims, retired
1951/07/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 25, R.A.C. British GP / Silverstone, 13th
1951/07/22 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 14, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, retired + fast lap
1951/07/22 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 10, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, retired
1951/07/29 Jacques Swaters, Talbot T26C 110006 # 93, GP von Deutschland / Nurburgring, 10th
1951/07/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 94, GP von Deutschland / Nurburgring, 11th
1951/08/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 12, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, 4th
1951/08/05 Roger Laurent, Talbot T26C 110006 # 14, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, 6th
1951/09/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 42, GP di Bari / Lungomare, 8th
1951/09/16 Jacques Swaters, Talbot T26C 110006 # 28, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1951/09/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 26, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1951/10/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 36, GP d’España / Pedralbes, retired
1952/04/06 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, GP del Valentino / Parc Valentino, Torino, 6th
1952/04/06 Charles de Tornaco, Talbot T26C 110006, GP del Valentino / Parc Valentino, Torino, not classified
1952/05/11 Roger Laurent, Talbot T26C 110006 # 7, Elaintarha-Ajot (Finland GP) / Djurgard Park, Helsinki, 1st
1952/06/01 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 36, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, retired
Talbot T26 C, logbook - Ecurie Belgique and Ecurie Belge
Chassis used :
110011, 110052 (Ecurie Belgique), driver : Johnny Claes.
110006 (Ecurie Belge), drivers : André Pilette, Jacques Swaters, Roger Laurent, Charles de Tornaco.
1948/10/10 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Coupe du Salon / Monthléry, Did not start (car not ready)
1949/04/24 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP de Paris / Monthléry, 3rd
1949/04/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Jersey International Road race / St-Helier, Did not start
1949/05/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, R.A.C. British GP / Silverstone, 10th
1949/05/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, British Empire Trophy / Douglas, Isle of Man, 8th
1949/05/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 48, Côte de la Sarthe, Hillclimb race / Huy, 1st
1949/06/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP des Frontières / Chimay, 3rd
1949/06/19 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 28, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 5th
1949/07/03 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 13th
1949/07/10 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, retired
1949/07/31 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP van Zandvoort, Heath 1 / Zandvoort, 7th (last)
1949/07/31 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP van Zandvoort, Final / Zandvoort, 9th
1949/08/20 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Daily Express Trophy / Silverstone, 12th
1949/08/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP de Lausanne / Lausanne, 7th
1949/09/11 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP d'Italia & Europa / Monza, 8th
1949/09/25 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Masarykuv Okruh (Czech GP) / Brno, 6th
1950/04/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Journée de l'USA / Monthléry, retired
1950/05/13 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, R.A.C. British & European GP / Silverstone, 11th
1950/05/21 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 6, GP de Monaco / Monaco, 7th
1950/06/04 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 4, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 10th
1950/06/18 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 24, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 8th
1950/07/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 42, GP de l’Automobile Club de France / Reims, retired
1950/07/09 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, GP di Bari / Lungomare, 8th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Première manche) / Les Planques, 10th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Seconde manche) / Les Planques, 9th
1950/07/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 32, GP d'Albi (Classement général) / Les Planques, 8th
1950/07/23 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 14, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, 8th (or accident)
1950/07/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 18, GP des Nations / Genève, not classified (3 pit stops)
1950/08/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 30, BRDC International Trophy, Heath 2 / Silverstone, retired
1950/09/03 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 2, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1950/09/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 6, Richmond Trophy / Goodwood, not classified (Pole Position by ballot)
1950/09/30 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011, Woodcote Cup / Goodwood, ?
1950/10/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110011 # 20, Penya Rhin / Pedralbes, retired
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 30, 4th Easter Handicap / Goodwood, 1st
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Chichester Cup / Goodwood, ?
1951/03/26 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Richmond Trophy / Goodwood, 4th
1951/04/22 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, GP di San Remo / Ospedaletti, Did not start (crash in practise after brake pipe broke, several spectators killed)
1951/05/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 29, Daily Express Trophy, Heath 1 / Silverstone, 14th
1951/05/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 29, Daily Express Trophy / Silverstone, 8th (no official result, Final stopped due to torrential rain and flooding)
1951/05/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Festival of Britain Trophy / Goodwood, 7th
1951/05/27 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 2, GP der Schweiz / Bremgarten, 13th (not classified)
1951/06/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, Ulster Trophy / Dundrod, 9th
1951/06/17 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 24, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 6th
1951/06/17 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 16, GP de Belgique / Spa Francorchamps, 7th
1951/07/01 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 28, GP de l’Automobile Club de France / Reims, retired
1951/07/14 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 25, R.A.C. British GP / Silverstone, 13th
1951/07/22 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 14, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, retired + fast lap
1951/07/22 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 10, GP van Nederland / Zandvoort, retired
1951/07/29 Jacques Swaters, Talbot T26C 110006 # 93, GP von Deutschland / Nurburgring, 10th
1951/07/29 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 94, GP von Deutschland / Nurburgring, 11th
1951/08/05 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 12, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, 4th
1951/08/05 Roger Laurent, Talbot T26C 110006 # 14, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, 6th
1951/09/02 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 42, GP di Bari / Lungomare, 8th
1951/09/16 Jacques Swaters, Talbot T26C 110006 # 28, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1951/09/16 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 26, GP d‘Italia / Monza, retired
1951/10/28 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052 # 36, GP d’España / Pedralbes, retired
1952/04/06 Johnny Claes, Talbot T26C 110052, GP del Valentino / Parc Valentino, Torino, 6th
1952/04/06 Charles de Tornaco, Talbot T26C 110006, GP del Valentino / Parc Valentino, Torino, not classified
1952/05/11 Roger Laurent, Talbot T26C 110006 # 7, Elaintarha-Ajot (Finland GP) / Djurgard Park, Helsinki, 1st
1952/06/01 André Pilette, Talbot T26C 110006 # 36, GP d’Albi / Les Planques, retired
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Posted 19 July 2000 - 07:24
Here's what I have quickly dug from my webpages on non-championship races (http://www.silhouet....e/f1/title.html
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19 May 1946 - I GP du Forez Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26 SS '90111', 5th
30 May 1946 - I Coupe de la Resistance "Levegh" Talbot Lago T150C '82930', 5th
28 Jul 1946 - I Prix des 24 Heures du Mans "Levegh" Talbot Lago T150C '82930', 2nd
28 Jul 1946 - I Prix des 24 Heures du Mans Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago 150SS '90111', 3rd
25 Aug 1946 - I Circuit des Trois Villes "Levegh" Talbot-Lago T150C '82930', 2nd
25 Aug 1946 - I Circuit des Trois Villes Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
7 Oct 1946 - II Grand Prix du Salon "Levegh" Talbot-Lago T150C '82933', 3rd
27 Apr 1947 - II Grand Prix du Rousillon Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
8 May 1947 - I JCC Jersey Road Race Leslie Johnson Talbot Lago T150C '82934', 6th
29 Jun 1947 - VII Belgian GP Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
6 Jul 1947 - XVI Grand Prix de Reims Mouche/Scaron Talbot-Lago '82930', 5th
6 Jul 1947 - XVI Grand Prix de Reims Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
13 Jul 1947 - IX Grand Prix de 'Albigeois Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 1st
20 Jul 1947 - VI Grand Prix de Nice Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Yves Giraud Cabantous Talbot-Lago T26ss '90202', 2nd
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26S '90111', 3rd
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Charles Pozzi Talbot-Lago '90203', 5th
10 Aug 1947 - XIII Comminges Grand Prix Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T150C '82935', 2nd
10 Aug 1947 - XIII Comminges Grand Prix Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago '90203', 3rd
21 Sep 1947 - XXXIV Grand Prix de l'ACF Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago T150C '90203, 3rd
21 Sep 1947 - XXXIV Grand Prix de l'ACF Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 4th
5 Oct 1947 - I Grand Prix de Lausanne Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T150 '90202', 5th
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand Prix du Salon Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago '90131', 1st
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand prix du Salon Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago T150C '90203', 2ns
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand prix du Salon Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
And so on if you wish to take a look. I'm afraid that I am meant to be working now, even though this might be more interesting. Dig around on the site to see if you can find what you want (if you connect to the top level http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport, there is a search engine there).
-19 May 1946 - I GP du Forez Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26 SS '90111', 5th
30 May 1946 - I Coupe de la Resistance "Levegh" Talbot Lago T150C '82930', 5th
28 Jul 1946 - I Prix des 24 Heures du Mans "Levegh" Talbot Lago T150C '82930', 2nd
28 Jul 1946 - I Prix des 24 Heures du Mans Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago 150SS '90111', 3rd
25 Aug 1946 - I Circuit des Trois Villes "Levegh" Talbot-Lago T150C '82930', 2nd
25 Aug 1946 - I Circuit des Trois Villes Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
7 Oct 1946 - II Grand Prix du Salon "Levegh" Talbot-Lago T150C '82933', 3rd
27 Apr 1947 - II Grand Prix du Rousillon Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
8 May 1947 - I JCC Jersey Road Race Leslie Johnson Talbot Lago T150C '82934', 6th
29 Jun 1947 - VII Belgian GP Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
6 Jul 1947 - XVI Grand Prix de Reims Mouche/Scaron Talbot-Lago '82930', 5th
6 Jul 1947 - XVI Grand Prix de Reims Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
13 Jul 1947 - IX Grand Prix de 'Albigeois Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 1st
20 Jul 1947 - VI Grand Prix de Nice Louis Rosier Talbot Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Yves Giraud Cabantous Talbot-Lago T26ss '90202', 2nd
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26S '90111', 3rd
3 Aug 1947 - II Grand Prix d'Alsace Charles Pozzi Talbot-Lago '90203', 5th
10 Aug 1947 - XIII Comminges Grand Prix Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T150C '82935', 2nd
10 Aug 1947 - XIII Comminges Grand Prix Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago '90203', 3rd
21 Sep 1947 - XXXIV Grand Prix de l'ACF Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago T150C '90203, 3rd
21 Sep 1947 - XXXIV Grand Prix de l'ACF Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 4th
5 Oct 1947 - I Grand Prix de Lausanne Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago T150 '90202', 5th
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand Prix du Salon Y.G-Cabantous Talbot-Lago '90131', 1st
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand prix du Salon Eugene Chaboud Talbot-Lago T150C '90203', 2ns
16 Nov 1947 - III Grand prix du Salon Louis Rosier Talbot-Lago T26SS '90111', 6th
And so on if you wish to take a look. I'm afraid that I am meant to be working now, even though this might be more interesting. Dig around on the site to see if you can find what you want (if you connect to the top level http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport, there is a search engine there).
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Posted 19 July 2000 - 13:28
T-150 C (1936-1937 seasons only, not the correct chassis numbers but called 1-6 instead)
Chassis "1" Plate: 3308 RK3
Works car
1936
LES TROIS HEURES DE MARSEILLE Dreyfus Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Dreyfus/Bradley 9th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Dreyfus Rtd Broken Crankshaft
GP DU COMMINGES Dreyfus Rtd Broken front stub axle /Crash
1937
GRAND PRIX DE PAU Sommer 2nd
MILLE MIGLIA Cattaneo/Le Begue Rtd Crash
Car rebuilt withh lightweight body and new engine. New plate: 440 W1
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Comotti 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Comotti 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Comotti Rtd Valve
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Chiron DNS Entry refused, replaced by "6"
Chassis "2" Plate: 3309 RK3
Works car
1936
LES TROIS HEURES DE MARSEILLE Morel Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Morel/Chinetti 10th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Morel 5th
GP DU COMMINGES Morel 9th
1937
GRAND PRIX DE PAU Divo 4th
MILLE MIGLIA Comotti/Rosa Rtd Crash
GRAND PRIX DE TUNISIE Sommer 1st
Car rebuilt withh lightweight body and new engine. Old plate retained
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Sommer 1st
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Sommer 5th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Sommer 4th
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Sommer DNS Entry refused, replaced by "5"
Chassis "3"
Sold to "Helde" (Pierre Louis-Dreyfus)
1936
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE "Helde"/"Nime" 8th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE "Helde"/Dreyfus 3rd
GP DU COMMINGES "Helde" 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE L´U.M.F. "Helde" DSQ Pusgh Start
1937
Sold to André Embiricos
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Embiricos/"Raph" Rtd Multiple crash, Chassis badly damaged
Chassis "4"
Sold to Cadot
1936
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Cadot/Stoffel Rtd Crash/Damaged fuel tank
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Bradley Rtd Crash
GP DU COMMINGES "Raph" 3rd
GRAND PRIX DE L´U.M.F. "Raph" 1st
1937
GRAND PRIX DE TUNISIE "Raph" 6th
GRAND PRIX DE BÔNE "Raph" Rtd
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Morel 5th
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Chiron/Chinetti Rtd Pierced Radiator
Sold to Le Begue
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Le Begue 3rd
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Le begue 2nd
Chassis "5" Plate: 439 W1
Works car
1937
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Divo 3rd
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS ? Entry withdrawn
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Divo 3rd
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Divo 2nd
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Sommer Rtd Piston
Chassis "6" Plate: 437 W1
Works car
1937
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Chiron/? Entry withdrawn
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Chiron 1st
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Chiron Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Comotti 1st
Chassis "1" Plate: 3308 RK3
Works car
1936
LES TROIS HEURES DE MARSEILLE Dreyfus Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Dreyfus/Bradley 9th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Dreyfus Rtd Broken Crankshaft
GP DU COMMINGES Dreyfus Rtd Broken front stub axle /Crash
1937
GRAND PRIX DE PAU Sommer 2nd
MILLE MIGLIA Cattaneo/Le Begue Rtd Crash
Car rebuilt withh lightweight body and new engine. New plate: 440 W1
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Comotti 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Comotti 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Comotti Rtd Valve
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Chiron DNS Entry refused, replaced by "6"
Chassis "2" Plate: 3309 RK3
Works car
1936
LES TROIS HEURES DE MARSEILLE Morel Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Morel/Chinetti 10th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Morel 5th
GP DU COMMINGES Morel 9th
1937
GRAND PRIX DE PAU Divo 4th
MILLE MIGLIA Comotti/Rosa Rtd Crash
GRAND PRIX DE TUNISIE Sommer 1st
Car rebuilt withh lightweight body and new engine. Old plate retained
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Sommer 1st
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Sommer 5th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Sommer 4th
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Sommer DNS Entry refused, replaced by "5"
Chassis "3"
Sold to "Helde" (Pierre Louis-Dreyfus)
1936
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE "Helde"/"Nime" 8th
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE "Helde"/Dreyfus 3rd
GP DU COMMINGES "Helde" 2nd
GRAND PRIX DE L´U.M.F. "Helde" DSQ Pusgh Start
1937
Sold to André Embiricos
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Embiricos/"Raph" Rtd Multiple crash, Chassis badly damaged
Chassis "4"
Sold to Cadot
1936
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Cadot/Stoffel Rtd Crash/Damaged fuel tank
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Bradley Rtd Crash
GP DU COMMINGES "Raph" 3rd
GRAND PRIX DE L´U.M.F. "Raph" 1st
1937
GRAND PRIX DE TUNISIE "Raph" 6th
GRAND PRIX DE BÔNE "Raph" Rtd
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Morel 5th
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Chiron/Chinetti Rtd Pierced Radiator
Sold to Le Begue
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Le Begue 3rd
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Le begue 2nd
Chassis "5" Plate: 439 W1
Works car
1937
GRAND PRIX DE MARSEILLE Divo 3rd
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS ? Entry withdrawn
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Divo 3rd
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Divo 2nd
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Sommer Rtd Piston
Chassis "6" Plate: 437 W1
Works car
1937
LES 24 HEURES DU MANS Chiron/? Entry withdrawn
GRAND PRIX DE l´AUTOMOBILE CLUB DE FRANCE Chiron 1st
GRAND PRIX DE LA MARNE Chiron Rtd Blown cylinder head gasket
RAC TOURIST TROPHY Comotti 1st
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Posted 21 July 2000 - 04:22
Leif,
Your chassis "2" (Plate 3309 RK3) is 85002,
chassis "5" (Plate 439 W1) is 90202
and chassis "6" (Plate 437 W1) is 82934.
But I don't know what do those numbers mean ?
Your chassis "2" (Plate 3309 RK3) is 85002,
chassis "5" (Plate 439 W1) is 90202
and chassis "6" (Plate 437 W1) is 82934.
But I don't know what do those numbers mean ?
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Posted 21 July 2000 - 20:23
Thanks for that, and you can add to your list that Roger Laurent also started with a Talbot-Lago in the 1953 Finnish GP, finishing 2nd.
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Posted 22 July 2000 - 02:01
In the 1953 Finnish GP, run on formula Libre, Roger laurent was second with the Ferrari 500-0208 (Ecurie Francorchamps) and the winner was Nuckey with a Cooper-Bristol T23.
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Posted 22 July 2000 - 06:04
Sorry, you are wrong there! 
It is correct that Laurent entered the Ferrari for the race and the official program list also says Ferrari but for some reason he decided to race the Talbot-Lago ( #6) instead. There are photographic evidence of that.
It is correct that Laurent entered the Ferrari for the race and the official program list also says Ferrari but for some reason he decided to race the Talbot-Lago ( #6) instead. There are photographic evidence of that.
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Posted 22 July 2000 - 09:41
I have, of course, checked the Monkhouse book and found you both wrong!
The last Finnish GP was won by Westerblom in an Alfa... in 1939!
Looks like George and Roland let us down there, doesn't it.
Interesting, though, that a Cooper Bristol would beat a Large Tablet... was the circuit a bit short or tight, perhaps?
The last Finnish GP was won by Westerblom in an Alfa... in 1939!
Looks like George and Roland let us down there, doesn't it.
Interesting, though, that a Cooper Bristol would beat a Large Tablet... was the circuit a bit short or tight, perhaps?
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Posted 23 July 2000 - 08:07
That's great, Leif... you've got more like that? Certainly helps one understand how a Cooper Bristol could knock off the Lago, those adverse cambers et al would go in their favour all the way. Thanks for that.
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Posted 24 July 2000 - 18:04
Can anyone summarise the ownership of the Talbot company (or companies) from the GP cars and voiturettes of the 20s, through the Lago-Talbots and the British Roesch Talbots of the 30s to the use of the name for road cars in the 80s?
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Posted 24 July 2000 - 21:11
Starting with Darracq, who acquired Clemen-Talbot of London in 1919 (the year they took over Heenan & Froude... interesting!), they had since 1912 had English management after the resignation of Alexandre Darracq (apparently in dispute with the poms on the board), the company then acquired Sunbeam in 1920 and Du Cros commercials...
Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq was born.
A 4.5 litre V8 engine sounds interesting in 1919, but that's a side issue, cars were called Talbot Darracq, then a separate French company was named Automobiles Talbot from 1919... confusing?
The French Talbots (they dropped the Darracq name in France), were called Darracqs in England as they competed with Talbot... to avoid confusion, they say, but the cars were apparently almost identical.
Designers in 1923 Vincent Bertarione, Edmond Moglia and Walter Becchia, all ex-Fiat... the English company went into decline through the depression and was acquired by Rootes.
The French were independent of them, apparently... they continued through to 1956/7 as such, then shopped with other manufacturers for help and sold one model in America in 1958 with a BMW engine (2.5 V8), then in 1959 Simca took over Usines Perfecta (maybe a holding company or something, dating back to 1898)... they made a car with a 2.3 litre Simca V8 (that's news to me!) and an apparently extraordinary prototype coupe with an Aronde (ugh!) engine. Georgano says it was a sad and unworthy climax to the 60-year history of the cars from Suresnes... he's got to be right... and Antoine Lago died in 1961, though he never mentions when he comes on the scene... but he was there in the early thirties at least, a Becchia design being the first one called Lago Talbots - initially as a nickname.
The only other reference in this book, "The World Guide to Automobiles," is to Peugeot resurrecting the name in 1979, having acquired Simca from Chrysler in 1978.
From the Encyplodia of Cars comes notes that the Swiss Georges Roesch was involved with them from 1916, staying with the English arm, maybe, that's not clear, Louis Coatalen was at STD... maybe Roesch stayed with the French? Clement is another name in the early history.
I can't help but feel sorry for you trying to work this out - I can't and I've got the books!
Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq was born.
A 4.5 litre V8 engine sounds interesting in 1919, but that's a side issue, cars were called Talbot Darracq, then a separate French company was named Automobiles Talbot from 1919... confusing?
The French Talbots (they dropped the Darracq name in France), were called Darracqs in England as they competed with Talbot... to avoid confusion, they say, but the cars were apparently almost identical.
Designers in 1923 Vincent Bertarione, Edmond Moglia and Walter Becchia, all ex-Fiat... the English company went into decline through the depression and was acquired by Rootes.
The French were independent of them, apparently... they continued through to 1956/7 as such, then shopped with other manufacturers for help and sold one model in America in 1958 with a BMW engine (2.5 V8), then in 1959 Simca took over Usines Perfecta (maybe a holding company or something, dating back to 1898)... they made a car with a 2.3 litre Simca V8 (that's news to me!) and an apparently extraordinary prototype coupe with an Aronde (ugh!) engine. Georgano says it was a sad and unworthy climax to the 60-year history of the cars from Suresnes... he's got to be right... and Antoine Lago died in 1961, though he never mentions when he comes on the scene... but he was there in the early thirties at least, a Becchia design being the first one called Lago Talbots - initially as a nickname.
The only other reference in this book, "The World Guide to Automobiles," is to Peugeot resurrecting the name in 1979, having acquired Simca from Chrysler in 1978.
From the Encyplodia of Cars comes notes that the Swiss Georges Roesch was involved with them from 1916, staying with the English arm, maybe, that's not clear, Louis Coatalen was at STD... maybe Roesch stayed with the French? Clement is another name in the early history.
I can't help but feel sorry for you trying to work this out - I can't and I've got the books!
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Posted 24 July 2000 - 21:36
Originally posted by Ray Bell
The French Talbots (they dropped the Darracq name in France), were called Darracqs in England as they competed with Talbot... to avoid confusion, they say, but the cars were apparently almost identical.
The Talbot-Lago T150Cs were in fact renamed Darracqs and had new radiator badges during the trip to England for the 1937 Tourist Trophy!
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Posted 24 July 2000 - 22:14
Maybe you can add to the picture if you know just when Tony Lago came in, Leif?
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Posted 24 July 2000 - 22:30
Look at the Mays/Talbot answer in the October edition of the 8W competition.
http://www.racer.dem...8w/8w-1099.html
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Posted 03 July 2001 - 15:15
Hi!
Didn't André Pilette crashed severely at Albi in 1952? i remember seeing a picture of a car hanging in the trees and it seemed like a Talbot? Also my grand mother used to tell about the crash and the week she spent with Fangio when André was at the hospital, suffering really bad injuries.
Thx.
Toine
Didn't André Pilette crashed severely at Albi in 1952? i remember seeing a picture of a car hanging in the trees and it seemed like a Talbot? Also my grand mother used to tell about the crash and the week she spent with Fangio when André was at the hospital, suffering really bad injuries.
Thx.
Toine
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Posted 03 July 2001 - 19:04
Egon should know ...!
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Posted 03 July 2001 - 21:09
Heavy crash, yes. Just some minutes after the start. It was the last race of the car, as far as I know ( - if not the Laurent-car in the 1953 finnish GP, mentioned above by Leif, was the same one). But I don't know anything about Pilette's injuries.
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Posted 03 July 2001 - 21:19
The only information I have is tat it happened on his second lap. He had called at the pits at the end of the first. Pilette broke his leg and the Talbot was wrecked, plunging down a ravine.
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 06:15
Now that this thread’s popped up again...
Leif, are you sure your “photographic evidence” isn’t of the 1952 race, when Laurent did run the Talbot, rather than 1953, when he entered the Ferrari?
Leif, are you sure your “photographic evidence” isn’t of the 1952 race, when Laurent did run the Talbot, rather than 1953, when he entered the Ferrari?
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 06:37
YES! as one of the pictures shows the full grid at the start of the race. I'll do some scanning and send the pictures to you if you send me your e-mail address.
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 06:45
Leif, i'm intrigued, too, to throw a view on the pictures and maybe other people also want. Would you be so kind and post the pictures in this thread. please ?
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 09:41
(Picture from F Geitel collection)
#5 Stousland Ford Special #72 Wahlberg BMW #32 Lamminen Allard #52 Carlsson Ford Special #11 Salomaa #6 Laurent Ford Special Talbot-Lago #49 Lundgren Ford special #7 Nuckey Cooper-Bristol #13 Mattila Cooper
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 10:27
Thanks for that, Leif.
So, we clearly can see a Talbot-Lago 26C, not a 26C-DA. There is no doubt, that Pilette crashed a T26C-DA (#110052, ex-Claes) at Albi. Maybe Ecurie Francorchamps revived their old T26C (#110006) for the 1953 Finnish GP. I have no info about the car's further fate after the 1952 Finnish GP. Maybe David or somebody else can help out with some more info ...
BTW, this car's last race in 1952 had been the 1952 Finnish GP. So maybe the car had been remained / sold there and was raced again by Laurent/Ecurie Belgique in 1953 ?
So, we clearly can see a Talbot-Lago 26C, not a 26C-DA. There is no doubt, that Pilette crashed a T26C-DA (#110052, ex-Claes) at Albi. Maybe Ecurie Francorchamps revived their old T26C (#110006) for the 1953 Finnish GP. I have no info about the car's further fate after the 1952 Finnish GP. Maybe David or somebody else can help out with some more info ...
BTW, this car's last race in 1952 had been the 1952 Finnish GP. So maybe the car had been remained / sold there and was raced again by Laurent/Ecurie Belgique in 1953 ?
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 10:45
Goo afternoon
I was wondering how much did it cost to buy a Talbot brand new from the factory or other racer cars in the late 40s and in the 50s... I read that they were 4 drivers to share the belgian Talbot but i'm curious about how much they had to invest to be able to race it. Also,in today's money, would it have been something like £100.000 to have a brand new one?
Thanx
Toine
I was wondering how much did it cost to buy a Talbot brand new from the factory or other racer cars in the late 40s and in the 50s... I read that they were 4 drivers to share the belgian Talbot but i'm curious about how much they had to invest to be able to race it. Also,in today's money, would it have been something like £100.000 to have a brand new one?
Thanx
Toine
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Leif, thanks for the great picture! I have never seen any of those Ford Specials before, so that's quite unique!
About the Talbot, it's certainly a pre-1950 one (chassis number 110-00x), rather than a T26C-DA (chassis number 110-05x) which had a large air-inlet-tube on the bonnet.
Another thing, the "BMW" of Wahlberg is the HH48, built in Germany by Hermann Holbein. It was later raced by Fritz Rieß and "Bernd Nacke"/Karl-Günther Bechem, and IIRC Wahlberg crashed fatally in it later that year!?
About the Talbot, it's certainly a pre-1950 one (chassis number 110-00x), rather than a T26C-DA (chassis number 110-05x) which had a large air-inlet-tube on the bonnet.
Another thing, the "BMW" of Wahlberg is the HH48, built in Germany by Hermann Holbein. It was later raced by Fritz Rieß and "Bernd Nacke"/Karl-Günther Bechem, and IIRC Wahlberg crashed fatally in it later that year!?
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 20:07
I'm glad that this thread has come up because there is a question that I have been wanting to ask someone but I didn't have the nerve to open my (big) mouth.
Sooooooooooooooooooo, Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere goes!!
I have found different listings (on-line and in books) with the 2 different combinations: LAGO-Talbot and TALBOT-Lago, sometimes for the same car at the same race. Which is the correct name?
I know this is a mior thing, but it's been driving me NUTS the last twenty or so years!
Bobbo
Sooooooooooooooooooo, Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere goes!!
I have found different listings (on-line and in books) with the 2 different combinations: LAGO-Talbot and TALBOT-Lago, sometimes for the same car at the same race. Which is the correct name?
I know this is a mior thing, but it's been driving me NUTS the last twenty or so years!
Bobbo
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Posted 04 July 2001 - 21:19
Talbot Lago - I think without a hiphen. The badging at the front says "Automobiles Talbot, Suresnes" and some at least of the cars had "Lago Record" on the side.
I'm usually pedantic about these things, but confess to preferring the term "Lago-Talbot" just because it sounds better. Like a 250F Maserati sounds better than a Maserati 250F.
I'm usually pedantic about these things, but confess to preferring the term "Lago-Talbot" just because it sounds better. Like a 250F Maserati sounds better than a Maserati 250F.
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Posted 05 July 2001 - 15:24
From memory, but very "old" memory because I was a very young boy at that time : In the sixteens (the very end of Talbot story), I always remember having heard Talbot-Lago in France ... and don't remind of any other name combinations ...
I remember that a baker in my town had two of these cars : a berline and a coupé and he used it to deliver the bred : just to be shure his customers get the croissant as fresh as possible in the morning probably ;-)
Y.
I remember that a baker in my town had two of these cars : a berline and a coupé and he used it to deliver the bred : just to be shure his customers get the croissant as fresh as possible in the morning probably ;-)
Y.
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Posted 07 July 2001 - 06:13
Two of these cars raced in Australia, through the 1950s and into the 1960s. I always remember them being known here as "Lago-Talbot".
My guess is that is what someone referred to the first one as when it came (or was coming) to Australia, and the name stuck.
I was quite surprised to later learn they were more commonly known as "Talbot Lago" in Europe.
By the way, is "Austria", the originator of this thread still around?
I do have that tome on the history of these cars and could, with luck if I am not snowed under with work at the time, try to find answers to specific questions.
Just thinking about the name... I had a Dinky Toy model of one of these cars about the time they were racing here. I wonder what name they had on the base and the original box?
My guess is that is what someone referred to the first one as when it came (or was coming) to Australia, and the name stuck.
I was quite surprised to later learn they were more commonly known as "Talbot Lago" in Europe.
By the way, is "Austria", the originator of this thread still around?
I do have that tome on the history of these cars and could, with luck if I am not snowed under with work at the time, try to find answers to specific questions.
Just thinking about the name... I had a Dinky Toy model of one of these cars about the time they were racing here. I wonder what name they had on the base and the original box?
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Posted 07 July 2001 - 15:38
Originally posted by Barry Lake
By the way, is "Austria", the originator of this thread still around?
I do have that tome on the history of these cars and could, with luck if I am not snowed under with work at the time, try to find answers to specific questions.
Barry, I'm still around, yes, only have changed my 'outfit'. Just jumping away for short holidays, but when returned I will come back on/to (?) your offer.
Have some nice days alltogether, see you soon.
Egon
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Posted 08 July 2001 - 11:33
Egon
Sorry, I had forgotten you had changed your 'name'.
I thought maybe 'Austria' had vanished without trace.
Sorry, I had forgotten you had changed your 'name'.
I thought maybe 'Austria' had vanished without trace.
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Posted 08 July 2001 - 18:12
Hi!!!
I saw a Tablot single seater at Chimay today, in blue France with gears behind the wheel... is it a pre selective gearbox like in...the Era? and the post-war Tablot?
c u
Toine
I saw a Tablot single seater at Chimay today, in blue France with gears behind the wheel... is it a pre selective gearbox like in...the Era? and the post-war Tablot?
c u
Toine
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What model did Barry Collerson drive at Catalina Park in 1961? I believe it was an ex-Sommer car. It certainly had the larger carburettors.
I understand that Barry Collerson passed away at the age of 83 years .
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Yes, there is a thread about him...
Sad loss.
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Two of these cars raced in Australia, through the 1950s and into the 1960s. I always remember them being known here as "Lago-Talbot".
Just thinking about the name... I had a Dinky Toy model of one of these cars about the time they were racing here. I wonder what name they had on the base and the original box?
I've just restored a couple of the Dinky models. Talbot-Lago on the box, Talbot Lago (without hyphen) on the baseplate.
The T-L's were one of the series of "23" Dinky race cars along with the Cooper Bristol, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Ferrari and HWM Alta. Curiously when Dinky launched "Gift Set 4" in the early 1950's - a boxed collection of 5 early post war GP cars - it included the more obscure HWM but excluded the Talbot-Lago.
The confusion over Talbot nomenclature continued in decades to come, in the early 1980's I enjoyed owning a Sunbeam Lotus - or was it a Talbot Sunbeam Lotus or a Lotus Sunbeam or a Sunbeam Talbot Lotus or a Chrysler Sunbeam Lotus etc ? Either way it was black and silver, very fast and a challenge to drive in the wet...
Edited by moffspeed, 15 January 2020 - 11:27.
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I've just restored a couple of the Dinky models. Talbot-Lago on the box, Talbot Lago (without hyphen) on the baseplate.
Well-hidden behind the carbs. but this photo (albeit of a T15 Baby) clearly shows the hyphen:
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The formal name was Talbot-Lago, but as Cyril Posthumus wrote in the Profile Publications booklet on the car, "that was the nomenclature firmly cast in their valve covers, yet colloquially the order was more often reversed to Lago-Talbot. Not that it mattered: the chief progenitor, 'Tony' Lago, was happy either way, so long as his cars won races".
The booklet's title is The 4½-litre LAGO-TALBOT, and MotorSport seems to have used that form too, going by results pages in its online archive. Other race reports and results lists use both styles, and apparently they were "Talbot-Lagos" in France. But I've always (since seeing them in my youth race in the Ulster Trophy at Dundrod) thought of them as Lago-Talbots and, as Dave McKinney wrote years ago, "it sounds better".
The name on the rocker covers, by the way, was all in capitals (with an elegant hyphen), visible in modern photos of cars in a museum and an event paddock and in an on-the-grid photo from 1950. The works vans/trucks also carried the name TALBOT-LAGO plus DUNLOP (photo, 1950 British GP).
The Lago Record and Lago Grand lettering on some cars was promotion for the company's best postwar roadgoing sports-cars.
One question earlier was about when Tony Lago joined Talbot. Posthumus said he joined Sunbeam-Talbot-Darracq in 1933 and after a short spell at Sunbeam in England he took over management of the Talbot-Darracq works at Suresnes. When S-T-D collapsed in 1935, Lago found financial support in France to set up Automobiles Talbot independently "and the French Talbot was saved".
One 26C was owned and raced in New Zealand by Allen Freeman from 1955 to 1961. It was the ex-Claes, ex-Hamilton 110011. About 1963 it was sold and went to England. Oldracingcars.com said Bernie Ecclestone bought it in 1996.
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Posted 16 January 2020 - 10:32
Alan Freeman's Talbot-Lago on the grid at Levin in 1958. Ron Roycroft's Ferrari 375 and Stewart Lewis-Evans in a borrowed Cooper share the row. Syd Jensen's Cooper on the row behind.
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Posted 17 January 2020 - 10:15
It later went back to France when owned by ex-pat Englishman Nigel Mann before coming to the UK again. It was in this car that Colin Crabbe had his terrible accident at Oulton Park which ended his racing career.
One 26C was owned and raced in New Zealand by Allen Freeman from 1955 to 1961. It was the ex-Claes, ex-Hamilton 110011. About 1963 it was sold and went to England. Oldracingcars.com said Bernie Ecclestone bought it in 1996.
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Posted 25 January 2020 - 18:59
Talbot-Lago (that order, hyphenated), no question - until one recalls the manner by which the cars were referred to (at least in English) back in period. And, commonly, they were then generally referred to as 'Lago' Talbots - as opposed to 'Roesch' Talbots or any other predecessor Talbot models.
And presumably it's from that spoken title that the (I believe Australian) nickname was coined 'Large Tablet'...as used by older Oz vintagents of my acquaintance.
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 06:59
Talbot-Lago (that order, hyphenated), no question - until one recalls the manner by which the cars were referred to (at least in English) back in period. And, commonly, they were then generally referred to as 'Lago' Talbots - as opposed to 'Roesch' Talbots or any other predecessor Talbot models.
And presumably it's from that spoken title that the (I believe Australian) nickname was coined 'Large Tablet'...as used by older Oz vintagents of my acquaintance.
DCN
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My 90 year old mother always referred to my fathers Lago as "The Large Tablet' she is as Australian as one would ever find .
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Posted 26 January 2020 - 23:31
Dinky Toys were Talbot-Lagos, with and without the hyphen as described above. But the Merit 1:24 plastic kit was a Lago-Talbot
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 06:51
With mention of the Merit good enough excuse to run these.
Stephen
