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[Makarias]

Welcome to join season eighteen of Shareholders!

Previous Seasons' champions:
2008: an1res
2009: swiniodzik
2010: Grayson
2011: Grayson
2012: Grayson
2013: Costaz
2014: brunopascal
2015: Grayson
2016: Grayson
2017: thegforcemaybewithyou
2018: Apex
2019: jjcale
2020: GTA
2021: Anderis
2022: LB
2023: Anderis
2024: LolaB0860

Rules are the same as previous years:

How to play the game
The players will be owning shares (100 each) of the drivers participating in the F1 WDC! When a driver scores points* in an F1 race, each share owned in that driver will score points to the shareholders in question. The more shares there are owned in a driver, the lesser the return will be for each share. This means that it can be more profitable to own shares in a midfielder who scores just a few points but has proportionally few shares held on him than a frontrunner finishing on the podium.
*Only top 10 points from (supposed) full length races, no sprint race or Fastest Lap points. Races cut short that don't score full points in the WDC are scored as full races in the game.

Drivers are valued according to how much shares are invested in them:
-Frontrunning drivers get many shares and are expected to score often and highly, providing a steady points source but with little potential for real jackpots.
-Backmarkers get proportionally fewer shares and give a return less frequently, but when they do it they may be very rewarding as the dividends are shared by fewer shares.

Good "value for money" is investing in drivers that are undervalued, ie have disproportionally few shares invested in them compared to their actual points scoring potential.

Your entry will carry over from one race to the next, unless you decide to move a limited amount of the shares to a different driver. While this makes the game easy to play even for the laziest humanoids, it also makes it useful to know what shares you have at any given moment. If you don't pay attention, a previously good investment in a driver may become a bad deal if too many shares are added on him or if his form plummets.

Submitting an initial entry

The first time you play this game, you shall submit an entry where you place 100 shares among the drivers, fulfilling these conditions:
 
 * You may only hold 100 shares (or less, which doesn't help you) in total at a time.
 * You can not own fractions of a share, just integer shares.
 * You can place no more than 40 shares on any one driver.
 * You must own shares in at least three drivers.
 * You may not own shares in more than ten drivers.
 * You may edit your first entry as much as you like until the edit deadline (first free practice) for the coming race.

Note that there is no limit to the number of shares available for each driver.
Also note that your initial entry is the basis for the following rounds too! You'll be allowed to change no more than 20 shares before each race, so make sure your initial entry looks at least 80% respectable...

Since nobody initially knows what the playing field looks like before the first race, I will give several updates on what the total share distribution looks like among the entries submitted so far.

Entry Example A from 1975:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 22
Depailler 16
Peterson 12
Ickx 10
Donohue 3

Editing your entry after the first round it takes part in
 * After the first race your entry took part in, you may only change 20 of your shares at a time (for the next race).
 * You do not have to edit your entry at all! If you so wish, you can leave your entry as it is from race one and not make a single change throughout the season. This is however a lazy option that won't make you ultimately competitive.
 * If a driver is replaced -temporarily or permanently- during the season, the shares placed on him will automatically be transferred to the replacing driver. So you could say that the shares actually are attached to the car number.
 * You may edit your changes as much as you like until the edit deadline for the coming race.
 * Edit deadline for changes is the beginning of first free practice for each race.

Example B:
After the first race, the shareholder who submitted the entry in Example A from 1975 realizes that the Lotus is a dud, and submits an edit to her entry as follows:

She decides to Sell:
Peterson -10
Ickx -10

She decides to Buy:
Pace +10
Reutemann +5
Depailler +5

Her new "portfolio" will after the entry look like this:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 27
Depailler 21
Pace 10
Donohue 3
Peterson 2

The above change of shares can perhaps best be written like this:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 27 (+5)
Depailler 21 (+5)
Pace 10 (+10)
Donohue 3
Peterson 2 (-10)
Ickx 0 (-10)

An edit doesn't have to look just like above, any way is fine as long as it's easy to understand which driver shares are to be sold and which to be bought.

NOTE: I will only sporadically be posting updates on what each player's portfolio looks like, so remember to keep track of what you own!
The reason you're only allowed to change just 20 shares each round is that it adds some stability to the whole system: I hopefully won't get a nervous breakdown before every round, and the values for each driver won't move around all over the place from one round to the other. It will also force the players to think more long term with their investments.
Keep in mind that when there are shares removed from a driver, the potential return from the shares that remain will increase and vice versa. Holding many shares in a backmarker is an inefficient investment, as for each extra share you get your ownership percentage won't increase by much.

Points Scoring

*The score a player receives from a driver is calculated like this:

[DScore] = 9.92*[TShares]*[DRace]*[PDShares]/[DShares]

where
[TShares] = The total number of shares in the entire game at the moment
[DRace] = The number of points the driver in question scored in the race
[PDShares] = The number of shares the player owns in the driver
[DShares] = The total number of shares owned in the driver in question by ALL players.

In order to only mess around with integer scores, the 9.92*[TShares]/[DShares] factor will be rounded off DOWN to the nearest integer. This factor equals the amount of game points one share will give per WDC point scored by the driver in question.

*The player's total score of the round is simply the sum of the [DScore] values from all drivers.

Thanks to the 9.92 factor, and the [TShares] factor scaling scores up with the amount of players, an average total score for a round will always be around 100,000 points or 1000 points per share, regardless of the number of players. At least if there are shares owned in all points scoring drivers.

Example C:
Emerson Fittipaldi finishes 2nd in a race;
there are 30 players in the game all with 100 shares each;
400 of all shares are placed on Emmo.

The entry in example B will then score approximately
9.92*3000*18*37/400 points,
which with the rounding off will amount to exactly 49284 points.

A good result from 37 shares. 400/3000 shares would mean a driver is valued at 13.4666... points per race, and second place obviously is better than that.
The 1975 drivers magically score points according to the current F1 points system which makes perfect sense because this is just a hypothetical example and why didn't the player invest in Lauda anyway? Probably because he was overvalued, that's why!

[Makarias]

An initial shares entry from me, guaranteed to be changed later on when I see what you others add:

 

Leclerc    16
Verstappen 14
Gasly      13
Norris     13
Piastri    12
Hamilton   11
Russell    11
Sainz       6
Bearman     2
Ocon        2

Edited by Makarias, 03 March 2025 - 18:39.

[KWSN - DSM]

Driver         Shares
Gasly           20
Verstappen      15
Hamilton        15
Leclerc         15
Norris          15
Piastri         15
Sainz            5

[DutchQuicksilver]

Norris 20

Piastri 20

Russell 20

Leclerc 20

Gasly 10

Sainz 10

[Benchulo]

Norris 20
Russell 20
Antonelli 20
Sainz 20

Alonso 10

Tsunoda 10

 

Edited by Benchulo, 05 March 2025 - 09:17.

[Costaz]

Norris    40

Piastri    40

Hamilton 20

[LolaB0860]

Norris 20

Leclerc 20

Hamilton 15

Lawson 12

Russell 12

Piastri 10

Tsunoda 5

Doohan 5

Hulkenberg 1

Edited by LolaB0860, 04 March 2025 - 17:29.

[Nathan]

The Gasly bulls!   

[LolaB0860]

Last year I refused to give any shares to RBR but this year I'm only refusing to fund Verstappen

[GTA]

Russell 30

Sainz 20

Gasly 20

Lawson 10

Antonelli 10

Bearman 5

Albon 5

[Makarias]

Changing my prediction (not for the last time), update coming afterwards:

Verstappen 22

Leclerc 18

Antonelli 14

Hamilton 12

Piastri 12

Lawson 9

Norris 9

Ocon 2

Bearman 1

Hadjar 1

[Makarias]

Seven entries so far, lots of changes left and opportunities available:

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Norris          124  17.89 429.39     56      6
Piastri          97  14.00 335.90     71      5
Russell          82  11.83 283.95     84      4
Leclerc          73  10.53 252.79     95      4
Hamilton         62   8.95 214.70    112      4
Sainz            55   7.94 190.46    126      4
Gasly            50   7.21 173.14    138      3
Antonelli        44   6.35 152.37    157      3
Verstappen       37   5.34 128.13    187      2
Lawson           31   4.47 107.35    224      3
Tsunoda          15   2.16  51.94    462      2
Alonso           10   1.44  34.63    694      1
Bearman           6   0.87  20.78   1157      2
Albon             5   0.72  17.31   1388      1
Doohan            5   0.72  17.31   1388      1
Ocon              2   0.29   6.93   3472      1
Hadjar            1   0.14   3.46   6944      1
Hülkenberg        1   0.14   3.46   6944      1
Bortoleto         0   0.00   0.00    N/A      0
Stroll            0   0.00   0.00    N/A      0

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Norris          1400    1008     840     672     560     448     336     224     112      56
Piastri         1775    1278    1065     852     710     568     426     284     142      71
Russell         2100    1512    1260    1008     840     672     504     336     168      84
Leclerc         2375    1710    1425    1140     950     760     570     380     190      95
Hamilton        2800    2016    1680    1344    1120     896     672     448     224     112
Sainz           3150    2268    1890    1512    1260    1008     756     504     252     126
Gasly           3450    2484    2070    1656    1380    1104     828     552     276     138
Antonelli       3925    2826    2355    1884    1570    1256     942     628     314     157
Verstappen      4675    3366    2805    2244    1870    1496    1122     748     374     187
Lawson          5600    4032    3360    2688    2240    1792    1344     896     448     224
Tsunoda        11550    8316    6930    5544    4620    3696    2772    1848     924     462
Alonso         17350   12492   10410    8328    6940    5552    4164    2776    1388     694
Bearman        28925   20826   17355   13884   11570    9256    6942    4628    2314    1157
Albon          34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Doohan         34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Ocon           86800   62496   52080   41664   34720   27776   20832   13888    6944    3472
Hadjar        173600  124992  104160   83328   69440   55552   41664   27776   13888    6944
Hülkenberg    173600  124992  104160   83328   69440   55552   41664   27776   13888    6944
Bortoleto          0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0
Stroll             0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0

[GTA]

Bullish on Max   

[maxie]

Norris 20

Piastri 18

Leclerc 16

Hamilton 14

Lawson 12

Tsunoda 8

Gasly 6

Alonso 6

[mark f1]

Verstappen 10

Leclerc 15

Hamilton 10

Russell 10

Norris 20

Piastri 15

Ocon 10

Sainz 10 

[wheadon1985]

Andrea Kimi Antonelli 20

Liam Lawson 20

Lewis Hamilton 10

Lando Norris 10

George Russell 10

Max Verstappen 10

Oscar Piastri 10

Fernando Alonso 5

Nico Hülkenberg 5

 

[Nathan]

I'm quite surprised the divide between SAI/ALB is larger than GAS/DOH!

[scheivlak]

Verstappen 24

Norris  15

Leclerc 15

Piastri 12

Lawson 10

Russell 10

Sainz 5

Gasly 5

Ocon 3

Bortoleto 1

[brunopascal]

Norris 15

Piastri 15

Leclerc 10

Hamilton 10

Russell 10

Antonelli 10

Verstappen 10

Sainz 10

Albon 10

[SpaceHorseParty]

Norris 20
Antonelli 20
Verstappen 20
Hamilton 18
Albon 10
Lawson 10
Hadjar 1
Stroll 1

[Makarias]

A shameless final edit of my entry:

Leclerc 21

Verstappen 20

Piastri 15

Hamilton 14

Antonelli 11

Norris 7

Lawson 6

Doohan 4

Hadjar 1

Stroll 1

[Makarias]

13 players now. GET IN!

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Norris          222  17.25 413.94     58     12
Piastri         170  13.21 316.98     75     10
Leclerc         132  10.26 246.13     97      8
Hamilton        126   9.79 234.94    102      9
Russell         122   9.48 227.48    105      8
Verstappen      109   8.47 203.24    118      7
Antonelli        91   7.07 169.68    141      6
Lawson           80   6.22 149.17    161      7
Sainz            80   6.22 149.17    161      7
Gasly            61   4.74 113.74    211      5
Albon            25   1.94  46.62    515      3
Tsunoda          23   1.79  42.89    560      3
Alonso           21   1.63  39.16    614      3
Ocon             13   1.01  24.24    992      2
Doohan            9   0.70  16.78   1432      2
Hülkenberg        6   0.47  11.19   2149      2
Bearman           5   0.39   9.32   2579      1
Hadjar            2   0.16   3.73   6448      2
Stroll            2   0.16   3.73   6448      2
Bortoleto         1   0.08   1.86  12896      1

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Norris          1450    1044     870     696     580     464     348     232     116      58
Piastri         1875    1350    1125     900     750     600     450     300     150      75
Leclerc         2425    1746    1455    1164     970     776     582     388     194      97
Hamilton        2550    1836    1530    1224    1020     816     612     408     204     102
Russell         2625    1890    1575    1260    1050     840     630     420     210     105
Verstappen      2950    2124    1770    1416    1180     944     708     472     236     118
Antonelli       3525    2538    2115    1692    1410    1128     846     564     282     141
Lawson          4025    2898    2415    1932    1610    1288     966     644     322     161
Sainz           4025    2898    2415    1932    1610    1288     966     644     322     161
Gasly           5275    3798    3165    2532    2110    1688    1266     844     422     211
Albon          12875    9270    7725    6180    5150    4120    3090    2060    1030     515
Tsunoda        14000   10080    8400    6720    5600    4480    3360    2240    1120     560
Alonso         15350   11052    9210    7368    6140    4912    3684    2456    1228     614
Ocon           24800   17856   14880   11904    9920    7936    5952    3968    1984     992
Doohan         35800   25776   21480   17184   14320   11456    8592    5728    2864    1432
Hülkenberg     53725   38682   32235   25788   21490   17192   12894    8596    4298    2149
Bearman        64475   46422   38685   30948   25790   20632   15474   10316    5158    2579
Hadjar        161200  116064   96720   77376   64480   51584   38688   25792   12896    6448
Stroll        161200  116064   96720   77376   64480   51584   38688   25792   12896    6448
Bortoleto     322400  232128  193440  154752  128960  103168   77376   51584   25792   12896

[Anderis]

Leclerc 20

Russell 20

Verstappen 15

Alonso 15

Antonelli 10

Stroll 10

Ocon 5

Bearman 5

[BerniesDad]

Thanks Mak, enjoyed this game last year.

 

Verstappen  15

Piastri          15

Russell        15

Leclerc        15

Hamilton      10

Antonelli      10

Stroll            5

Lawson        5

Hulkenberg  5

Bearman      5

[Costaz]

Edited entry: 

 

Norris    30

Piastri    30

Hamilton 30

Leclerc 10

[Makarias]

15 players now. Last year we had 18, for comparison.

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Norris          212  14.27 342.59     70     12
Leclerc         177  11.92 286.03     84     11
Piastri         175  11.78 282.80     85     11
Russell         157  10.57 253.71     94     10
Hamilton        146   9.83 235.94    101     10
Verstappen      139   9.36 224.62    107      9
Antonelli       111   7.47 179.38    134      8
Lawson           85   5.72 137.36    175      8
Sainz            80   5.39 129.28    186      7
Gasly            61   4.11  98.58    243      5
Alonso           36   2.42  58.18    413      4
Albon            25   1.68  40.40    595      3
Tsunoda          23   1.55  37.17    646      3
Ocon             18   1.21  29.09    826      3
Stroll           17   1.14  27.47    875      4
Bearman          15   1.01  24.24    992      3
Hülkenberg       11   0.74  17.78   1352      3
Doohan            9   0.61  14.54   1653      2
Hadjar            2   0.13   3.23   7440      2
Bortoleto         1   0.07   1.62  14880      1

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Norris          1750    1260    1050     840     700     560     420     280     140      70
Leclerc         2100    1512    1260    1008     840     672     504     336     168      84
Piastri         2125    1530    1275    1020     850     680     510     340     170      85
Russell         2350    1692    1410    1128     940     752     564     376     188      94
Hamilton        2525    1818    1515    1212    1010     808     606     404     202     101
Verstappen      2675    1926    1605    1284    1070     856     642     428     214     107
Antonelli       3350    2412    2010    1608    1340    1072     804     536     268     134
Lawson          4375    3150    2625    2100    1750    1400    1050     700     350     175
Sainz           4650    3348    2790    2232    1860    1488    1116     744     372     186
Gasly           6075    4374    3645    2916    2430    1944    1458     972     486     243
Alonso         10325    7434    6195    4956    4130    3304    2478    1652     826     413
Albon          14875   10710    8925    7140    5950    4760    3570    2380    1190     595
Tsunoda        16150   11628    9690    7752    6460    5168    3876    2584    1292     646
Ocon           20650   14868   12390    9912    8260    6608    4956    3304    1652     826
Stroll         21875   15750   13125   10500    8750    7000    5250    3500    1750     875
Bearman        24800   17856   14880   11904    9920    7936    5952    3968    1984     992
Hülkenberg     33800   24336   20280   16224   13520   10816    8112    5408    2704    1352
Doohan         41325   29754   24795   19836   16530   13224    9918    6612    3306    1653
Hadjar        186000  133920  111600   89280   74400   59520   44640   29760   14880    7440
Bortoleto     372000  267840  223200  178560  148800  119040   89280   59520   29760   14880

[LolaB0860]

Revision

 

Leclerc 22

Norris 20

Hamilton 18

Lawson 15

Russell 10

Piastri 10

Tsunoda 2

Doohan 1

Bortoleto 1

Hadjar 1

[Benchulo]

Revision

Norris 20
Russell 16
Antonelli 10
Albon 10
Alonso 10
Tsunoda 10
Ocon 10
Bearman 7
Doohan 7

[Nathan]

Norris  - 20

Piastri - 20

Antonelli - 10

Russel - 10

LeClerc -15

Sainz - 5

Lawson - 5

Albon - 5

Gasly - 5

Verstappen - 5

[Makarias]

An exclusive lineup of sixteen exquisite, refined and luxurious players

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Norris          232  14.65 351.48     68     13
Piastri         195  12.31 295.43     81     12
Leclerc         194  12.25 293.91     81     12
Russell         161  10.16 243.92     98     11
Hamilton        149   9.41 225.74    106     10
Verstappen      144   9.09 218.16    110     10
Antonelli       111   7.01 168.17    142      9
Lawson           93   5.87 140.90    170      9
Gasly            66   4.17  99.99    240      6
Sainz            65   4.10  98.48    244      7
Albon            40   2.53  60.60    396      5
Alonso           36   2.27  54.54    440      4
Ocon             28   1.77  42.42    566      4
Bearman          22   1.39  33.33    721      4
Tsunoda          20   1.26  30.30    793      3
Stroll           17   1.07  25.76    933      4
Doohan           12   0.76  18.18   1322      3
Hülkenberg       10   0.63  15.15   1587      2
Hadjar            3   0.19   4.55   5290      3
Bortoleto         2   0.13   3.03   7936      2

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Norris          1700    1224    1020     816     680     544     408     272     136      68
Piastri         2025    1458    1215     972     810     648     486     324     162      81
Leclerc         2025    1458    1215     972     810     648     486     324     162      81
Russell         2450    1764    1470    1176     980     784     588     392     196      98
Hamilton        2650    1908    1590    1272    1060     848     636     424     212     106
Verstappen      2750    1980    1650    1320    1100     880     660     440     220     110
Antonelli       3550    2556    2130    1704    1420    1136     852     568     284     142
Lawson          4250    3060    2550    2040    1700    1360    1020     680     340     170
Gasly           6000    4320    3600    2880    2400    1920    1440     960     480     240
Sainz           6100    4392    3660    2928    2440    1952    1464     976     488     244
Albon           9900    7128    5940    4752    3960    3168    2376    1584     792     396
Alonso         11000    7920    6600    5280    4400    3520    2640    1760     880     440
Ocon           14150   10188    8490    6792    5660    4528    3396    2264    1132     566
Bearman        18025   12978   10815    8652    7210    5768    4326    2884    1442     721
Tsunoda        19825   14274   11895    9516    7930    6344    4758    3172    1586     793
Stroll         23325   16794   13995   11196    9330    7464    5598    3732    1866     933
Doohan         33050   23796   19830   15864   13220   10576    7932    5288    2644    1322
Hülkenberg     39675   28566   23805   19044   15870   12696    9522    6348    3174    1587
Hadjar        132250   95220   79350   63480   52900   42320   31740   21160   10580    5290
Bortoleto     198400  142848  119040   95232   79360   63488   47616   31744   15872    7936

[SpaceHorseParty]

Revised entry:

Norris 20
Antonelli 20
Verstappen 20
Hamilton 18
Albon 10
Lawson 10

Bortoleto 1
Hadjar 1
Stroll 0

[LolaB0860]

Another revision

 

Leclerc 22

Norris 20

Hamilton 18

Lawson 15

Russell 10

Piastri 10

Sainz 3

Doohan 1

Hadjar 1

 

[M2000-5]

Norris 30

Piastri 25

Hamilton 20

Leclerc 10

Albon 10

Sainz 5

[LolaB0860]

Verstappen has shockingly good value, damn to my boycotting

[Brawn BGP 001]

Norris 33

Piastri 32

Antonelli 20

Verstappen 15

[Nathan]

Norris  - 20

Piastri - 20

LeClerc -15

Verstappen - 10

Russel - 10

Sainz - 5

Lawson - 5

Albon - 5

Gasly - 5

Antonelli - 5

[Anderis]

Leclerc 20

Verstappen 20

Russell 20

Hamilton 15

Alonso 10

Stroll 5

Tsunoda 5

Hadjar 5

[Makarias]

SpaceHorseParty, on 13 Mar 2025 - 07:13, said:

Stroll 0

 

Highlight of the thread

[Ali_G]

What’s the deadline Mak. I’ll enter if it’s still open.

[Makarias]

It's closed for Australia, but you can make a brand new entry for China next week. Not ideal to miss a round, but you'll have the benefit of learning from the season opener where the value is.

[LolaB0860]

I think it's possible to win this one even if you miss one round, just purely by taking risks. Or if there's repeat of Brazil

[Anderis]

My winning margin in both 2021 and 2023 was so big that I would still have won even if you had removed the number of points I typically had scored in one round, so I think it's definetely possible to win if you miss one round . In 2021 I got extremely lucky with Russell's podium in Belgium but I don't think my tactics were particularly risky, especially in 2023.

[LolaB0860]

Well that went horribly. And revisions rarely go well