Part I: http://forums.autosp...of-the-rivalry/
Carry on!
Posted 24 May 2016 - 16:10
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 16:33
Could the creation of the new thread mark a turning point in HAM's season?
No. But! I put £5 on Nico to win this morning so I'm now expecting Lewis to win (going off my other failed bet on the last race. lol)
When uhm.. *if* he wins, I expect a thank you
Posted 24 May 2016 - 16:44
How many parts will there be this year? My guess is 5
Posted 24 May 2016 - 16:56
How many parts will there be this year? My guess is 5
5 incredible chapters of drama, passion and witty banter. Bit like the Rocky series.
"get up ya bum, because sennafan loves you"
Posted 24 May 2016 - 17:20
5 incredible chapters of drama, passion and witty banter. Bit like the Rocky series.
"get up ya bum, because sennafan loves you"
There might even be a 6th like the movie "Creed"....where Lewis has a kid and he races.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 17:35
There might even be a 6th like the movie "Creed"....where Lewis has a kid and he races.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 17:45
This summed up Spain
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:03
oh jeeezus....
Jp
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:04
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:11
oh jeeezus....
Jp
Oh gawd
SF24
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:25
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:31
I was wondering... suppose Rosberg drives in front of Lewis in the race... and does not swerve like he did in Barca... but Lewis tries an ambitious overtake and AGAIN they end up in the barriers. Would that have repercussions? Would then Toto say: 'Enough is enough. Hold station if anyone's in front'?
Yes, yes, I know, this board would explode.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:35
The season so far feels like Rocky 4, where Creed is killed by the blonde haired, blue eyed Drago.
Woah, spoiler alert
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:35
This summed up Spain
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:36
Woah, spoiler alert
Don't worry about Rocky 5 being spoilt, it isn't up to much.
Edited by sennafan24, 24 May 2016 - 18:41.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:37
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:43
I was wondering... suppose Rosberg drives in front of Lewis in the race... and does not swerve like he did in Barca... but Lewis tries an ambitious overtake and AGAIN they end up in the barriers. Would that have repercussions?
I would suspect that if we see a repeat of Spain this weekend, the driver held culpable would be stood down for a race. Perhaps by the FIA, with the full agreement of the team. Team policy would probably change from then on, and one of them would end up leaving at the end of the year.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:45
I think the Spain contact has opened up a small Pandora's box. I can't help but think if either of them are leading and the man behind makes an overtaking attempt, they can simply force contact to ensure it doesn't come off. It will seem like a racing incident and the driver behind will probably be chastised for a dive bomb. (This weekend only)I was wondering... suppose Rosberg drives in front of Lewis in the race... and does not swerve like he did in Barca... but Lewis tries an ambitious overtake and AGAIN they end up in the barriers. Would that have repercussions? Would then Toto say: 'Enough is enough. Hold station if anyone's in front'?
Yes, yes, I know, this board would explode.
Edited by TomNokoe, 24 May 2016 - 18:46.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:47
Oh gawd
SF24
Jp
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:48
I was wondering... suppose Rosberg drives in front of Lewis in the race... and does not swerve like he did in Barca... but Lewis tries an ambitious overtake and AGAIN they end up in the barriers. Would that have repercussions? Would then Toto say: 'Enough is enough. Hold station if anyone's in front'?
Yes, yes, I know, this board would explode.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:54
I think the Spain contact has opened up a small Pandora's box. I can't help but think if either of them are leading and the man behind makes an overtaking attempt, they can simply force contact to ensure it doesn't come off. It will seem like a racing incident and the driver behind will probably be chastised for a dive bomb. (This weekend only)
I think too that it is now abundantly clear that Rosberg has little to lose if there is contact. He can be very aggressive this weekend.
Regardless of internal policies, I think they've got one more big collision in them before excrement is thrown towards a ceiling fan in the debrief room.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 18:58
Probably better questions than the stale F1 press junket mob will manage to muster over the weekend.
That's what I though as well when I saw that Lewis Hamilton gave an 30 minute (!) interview. The F1 press would be already happy about 5 minutes.....
To give Nico one time credit. His daughter is cute
Back on topic: There is no way that the FIA would suspend drivers with little points on the super licence for a race just because they caused an incident (if this suggestion was seriously meant)
Personally I believe that already the Spain incident will change things. Surely they are on the final warning (in terms of being allowed to race). So one more incident will either cause that Mercedes will introduce the "who is leading after turn 1, stays ahead" rule or - if this is putting the championship under danger, because a contender is emerging - then they will likely use team orders. So knowing this will be more a problem for Hamilton. Based on this season so far he is usually (well, always!) the driver behind after turn 1 and he is the driver traling in the championship. Rosberg has less to lose in that sense. Very interesting to see how this will develop. So far this year Hamilton is lacking on the aggressiveness in turn 1, will it be even more now?
Edited by Marklar, 24 May 2016 - 19:00.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:08
18:40 "Nico will be over there conspiring"... LOL
"Even when we are 50 or 60 years old Nicio will be trying to beat me at something..."
The other thing to note is that ... LH is now a respected individual on the corporate scene... when did that happen?? .... I could see this guy giving after dinner speeches for a lot of money after he retires.
Edited by jjcale, 24 May 2016 - 19:36.
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:28
I don't know if it was ever mentioned, but Mercedes' insistence on rigid strategy surely played a tiny part on both drivers in Spain. If they gave their drivers more freedom then there needn't be such unheralded aggression on lap 1.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:30
Thing is, Nico isn't that far ahead. If he DNFs this week and Kimi manages to win, his points gap is only 13 points. Granted, he has the better car at the moment and that Hamilton is his only real competition over the season, he still can't be overly aggressive yet.I think the Spain contact has opened up a small Pandora's box. I can't help but think if either of them are leading and the man behind makes an overtaking attempt, they can simply force contact to ensure it doesn't come off. It will seem like a racing incident and the driver behind will probably be chastised for a dive bomb. (This weekend only)
I think too that it is now abundantly clear that Rosberg has little to lose if there is contact. He can be very aggressive this weekend.
Regardless of internal policies, I think they've got one more big collision in them before excrement is thrown towards a ceiling fan in the debrief room.
Edited by FrontWing, 24 May 2016 - 19:32.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:31
Trouble is with split strategies one driver is bound to get shafted one way or another.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:39
See Max v Dan thread...
Edited by TypeR85, 24 May 2016 - 19:39.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:39
I don't know if it was ever mentioned, but Mercedes' insistence on rigid strategy surely played a tiny part on both drivers in Spain. If they gave their drivers more freedom then there needn't be such unheralded aggression on lap 1.
You mean more so when Nico is in front. Because when it's Lewis leading - the strategy is pefectly fine with most of you. Please don't try to say otherwise.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:40
Trouble is with split strategies one driver is bound to get shafted one way or another.
Exactly. Look at the Ricciardo-Verstappen split strategy in Barca that has a host of people in stitches of indignation. The only way you can avoid controversy is when the driver is upfront about the choice. 'Yes, I WANTED this strategy.' And not kind of, more or less blame the team: 'I don't understand why I had to do the 1-stopper/2-stopper/or whatever I can blame for losing the race.'
Well, when was the last time a driver took whole or shared responsibility for a chosen strategy? Can't remember...
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:43
You mean more so when Nico is in front. Because when it's Lewis leading - the strategy is pefectly fine with most of you. Please don't try to say otherwise.
That is not fair. TomNoekoe has a point. Everyone knew before the race that passing another car in Barcelona was difficult... ESPECIALLY if you have the same car AND the same strategy as the guy in front. I believe that was the push for Nico to do the swerve and the push for Lewis to try to grab his chance as soon (too soon?)
If Nico and Lewis would not have had the same strategy in Spain, it could have played out differently.
Edited by Nemo1965, 24 May 2016 - 19:45.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 19:48
That's the thing, with these silly restrictions of communication, drivers these days don't have a clue what to do. That's why I think the sport would be better if we went back to using one set of tyres for the race.Exactly. Look at the Ricciardo-Verstappen split strategy in Barca that has a host of people in stitches of indignation. The only way you can avoid controversy is when the driver is upfront about the choice. 'Yes, I WANTED this strategy.' And not kind of, more or less blame the team: 'I don't understand why I had to do the 1-stopper/2-stopper/or whatever I can blame for losing the race.'
Well, when was the last time a driver took whole or shared responsibility for a chosen strategy? Can't remember...
Edited by TypeR85, 24 May 2016 - 19:49.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:04
You mean more so when Nico is in front. Because when it's Lewis leading - the strategy is pefectly fine with most of you. Please don't try to say otherwise.
No, he didn't mean that, he had a valid point and you know it. Good job at being confrontational for the sake of it
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:09
No, he didn't mean that, he had a valid point and you know it. Good job at being confrontational for the sake of it
It's not being confontational at all. Lewis and Nico have raced 62 races and have the same strategy applied in almost all races when they are running 1-2 and the only time
there are complaints is when Lewis is running second. We saw it at the end of last year, big time in this thread.
Putting forward strategy as a contributing factor to a collision on lap 1 is a stretch ... The point is not valid in my opinion.
Edited by Riverside, 24 May 2016 - 20:10.
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:13
I swear you seem to copy and paste this reply every time the topic of split strategies is so much as whispered.You mean more so when Nico is in front. Because when it's Lewis leading - the strategy is pefectly fine with most of you. Please don't try to say otherwise.
Edited by FrontWing, 24 May 2016 - 20:14.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:16
It's not being confontational at all. Lewis and Nico have raced 62 races and have the same strategy applied in almost all races when they are running 1-2 and the only time
there are complaints is when Lewis is running second. We saw it at the end of last year, big time in this thread.
Putting forward strategy as a contributing factor to a collision on lap 1 is a stretch ... The point is not valid in my opinion.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:21
So why did Mercedes put Rosberg on differnt strategies in 2014?
This year Hamilton has been left in the dark when out of position. Take for example Bahrain, he wasn't once given the opportunity to use the undercut on Kimi, last year at the same race Nico was given the undercut on Vettel and nearly passed Hamilton in the process given the massive undercut delta.
The discussion is that strategy contributed to the collision... not who / when / where a driver had a different strategy at Merc.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:25
The discussion is that strategy contributed to the collision... not who / when / where a driver had a different strategy at Merc.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:33
So let me checkPutting forward strategy as a contributing factor to a collision on lap 1 is a stretch ... The point is not valid in my opinion.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:40
Riverside, 2016 cars on equal tyres are very hard to follow. We saw in Spain between the leading 4 that strategy is still a viable option to jump positions.
At Mercedes, this avenue is closed.
Rosberg said himself it was "his race to win", at turn 3 on the first lap for goodness sake!! Both drivers know how important it is, and they acted accordingly.
Edited by TomNokoe, 24 May 2016 - 20:40.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:42
So yes, the difficulty of overtaking & (in this case) the lack of strategy are forcing the driver to be ahead after lap 1 and hence increases the likehood for 1st lap incidents. This is an very valid point. Of course this applies to both drivers, but nobody suggest something else
Aggression on the start is a given in motorsport. Why just now are we talking about strategies affect on starts after 62 races with these guys? Seriously....
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:46
Aggression on the start is a given in motorsport. Why just now are we talking about strategies affect on starts after 62 races with these guys? Seriously....
Because in 2013+14 it was certainly no issue. Only last year and this has it dawned on drivers and fans how significant it is. All through last year we would wait for the inevitable overtake to prove it could be done, but slowly, slowly it never did.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:51
Because in 2013+14 it was certainly no issue. Only last year and this has it dawned on drivers and fans how significant it is. All through last year we would wait for the inevitable overtake to prove it could be done, but slowly, slowly it never did.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 20:53
All I want from a journalist this weekend is to find out from Nico why he was in the wrong engine mode. I still cannot fathom it was by mistake.
Posted 24 May 2016 - 21:15
Well, when was the last time a driver took whole or shared responsibility for a chosen strategy? Can't remember...