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[Blue6ix]

As for the ratings though, last year in particular after the last message of May have been quite of a disappointment when considering about the ratings of 1992-2006 seasons.

 

Mostly so when thinking about the early 1990s up to the year of 1995.

 

There has been some very few new findings and every new finding there is a quite a number of questions following after it.

 

Especially when considering the situation for the 1995 Spanish Grand Prix and for the 1995 Monaco Grand Prix.

 

Either BARB really had a mix-up back then with those two Grand Prix because the 1995 Spanish Grand Prix really had it's ratings for the BARB list and the 1995 Monaco Grand Prix almost never did had it's ratings for the BARB list or actually Spanish Grand Prix as a historically did fare a little better when given credit for it's ratings and Monaco Grand Prix as a historically had a little different amount in viewers which will be projected towards the situation of 1993 Monaco Grand Prix when that matter is settled then.

 

Also there has been a few other claims that 1995 Spanish Grand Prix and for the 1995 Monaco Grand Prix had the exactly same amount of viewers meaning 3,51 million viewers each of those Grand Prix and that rating of 4,46 million viewers being just a mix-up rating which really doesn't make that situation any more easier than it already is even though it partially does make sense when considering everything up to this point.

 

There was also some new programme limits which could push some of the formerly thought ratings to a lower standing than when previously thought.

 

They will be told all in due time at their own and when the situation permits to do so.

 

And sad thing is that some newspapers back then in Great Britain did published TV ratings in quite selected scale.

 

For as an example, sometimes they did publish TV ratings like 5 top programmes for BBC1 and none for the BBC2 at all or even as much as 20 programmes for BBC1 and only 5 top programmes for BBC2.

 

Some newspaper like Aberdeen Evening Express did occasionally published 20 top programmes for BBC1 and then top 10 programmes for BBC2 starting from the middle of the 1995 season or so.

 

Sadly up to the year of 1994 Aberdeen Evening Express as an example never did published any BBC2 ratings back then.

 

Even then the most frustrating thing is that many times BBC1 had to share it's ratings with ITV and BBC2 had to share it's meagre rating positions with Channel 4 so it decreased changes for Grand Prix to be with those BARB list even further.

 

Situation for the ratings and their searching has been continued as in previously, but if I'm not in any luck to find some really old TV magazines like Broadcast up to the year of 1998 or at least some really good newspapers from the 1990s which really did show TV ratings in Great Britain with channels on their own brackets rather than clashing with each other then there is little change to do anything for this matter.

 

Any help for them is always appreciated!

 

Maybe I try to search them for about 1-2 months from now on and if I'm not any luck at all even after that then maybe I just give it up.

 

And if I'm in luck then maybe there is still a little more chance to have those ratings from the early 1990s for some of it's races or even from the Qualifyings after all.   

Edited by Blue6ix, 11 January 2020 - 20:00.

[Blue6ix]

After little more searching and after my previous message just yesterday I managed to get some new tips and when getting grip from those ones I also happened to find some new newspapers after all.

 

What becomes to them, they really are awesome ones as a ratings source.

 

Even though not as much as I hoped, but nonetheless very good ones as their own.

 

At least for the years of 2002-2005 up to with some ratings information from 2006.

 

Still that info (Unless the years of 1999-2001 are just particularly well hidden from the years 1999-2001 excluding Spanish Grand Prix and actually when I finally did find out for it's Qualifying ratings.) doesn't help for the situation for the years of 1992-1995 and for the year of 1998 situation about what comes to F1 ratings in UK from those years at all and just at least for now the years of 1999-2001.

 

Which means that 1999 European Grand Prix still will have some problems with it's exact ratings much like 2000 Japanese Grand Prix and 2000 Malaysian Grand Prix for as an example.

 

Of course there are still some problems with 2001 Japanese Grand Prix as well even though not that much than those formerly said Grand Prix.

 

And without saying of course, with the most of the Qualifyings excluding 2001 Spanish Grand Prix Qualifying as of now.

 

My new sources at least have ratings up to 70 best programmes stated from the different channels and 50 best programmes stated on average from the different channels and 10 best sport programmes up to very different level of sport (Like their own brackets for Formula 1, TOCA BTCC, Footie and British Lions for the Ice Hockey as an example.) which definitely is the best news for ages when considering all of this.

Edited by Blue6ix, 12 January 2020 - 16:16.

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching, I finally managed to get the real ratings of the 2002 French Grand Prix and also I managed to get updated Qualifying ratings from that particular race weekend as well.

 

There are one other updated race ratings after this, but at least now the every Grand Prix from the year of 2002 is available for their ratings!

 

So here are the new or updated ones:

 

2002 French Grand Prix: Race in Magny-Cours had 3,03 million viewers on ITV rather than the previous estimates of 1,61-2,40 million viewers. This race Qualifying was said to have a 2 million viewers exact, but actually only had little bit under it, to be a precise one, the correct rating for the Qualifying was 1,68 million viewers.

 

2003 Malaysian Grand Prix: Race in Sepang had a little less viewers than before and that meant of course more viewers for the Re-run. Re-run had 1,70 million viewers and Race had 1,39 million viewers.

 

There was one huge mix-up for one of the my new sources earlier and there still are at least up to eight different stated ratings for the same source and when thinking about the races from the years of 2003-2006 so at least for now I can't make a clear ones for some of them.

 

Like especially for the 2003 French Grand Prix, 2003 Japanese Grand Prix, 2004 Chinese Grand Prix, 2005 Chinese Grand Prix and finally for the 2006 Chinese Grand Prix.

 

I will update those two previously stated Grand Prix, meaning of course the 2002 French Grand Prix and 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix for their respective ratings page 18 on this thread.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2003-2006 are always appreciated!

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching, I finally managed to get the real ratings of the 2003 Japanese Grand Prix and especially for the Re-run Coverage which were 2,39 million.

 

When that was confirmed then of course 2003 French Grand Prix almost surely had even under 2 million viewers to it's lowest point which were 1,51 million viewers which was considerably less than year before and when comparing it to a 2002 French Grand Prix.

 

Actually, if really true at last, then 2003 French Grand Prix Qualifying had more viewers than the race itself on ITV!

 

Still because of the earlier told mix-up I sadly still couldn't 100 % verify ratings for the 2003 French Grand Prix as of now and same goes for the few other ratings meaning mostly previously told Chinese Grand Prix from the years of 2004-2006 and for some Qualifyings from the 2003 season which were for some races surprisingly high for a British ones and for that year.

 

Provisionally I can still update this information for the 2003 season since update for it always depended on finding either the Japanese Grand Prix or the French Grand Prix for either one or both of them to really making all races available for their ratings.

 

There is also a one frustrating problem with my new sources.

 

Because when I'm actually a subscriber for a one of them as a trial payment subscriber and I couldn't view said magazine after it's monthly allowed pages even after when saving articles for a later reading and for of course to lessen the gap for the earlier told mixed-up ratings sources.

 

So help is always appreciated for that problem, if there is some other member suffering a similiar problem!

 

Because in other words there will be a month long break at least for one of my sources if that issue can't be helped for a time being.

 

I will update those two previously stated Grand Prix, meaning of course the 2003 Japanese Grand Prix as a finally verified one and 2003 French Grand Prix as a provisionally verified one for their respective ratings page 18 on this thread.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 added with the 2003 French Grand Prix are always appreciated! 

Edited by Blue6ix, 01 April 2020 - 05:47.

[Blue6ix]

Sadly, since for some odd reason and for the earlier mentioned problems when considering my sources as when I tried to join as one of the readers for them as a full member subscriber it didn't accept my DD, meaning at this case Direct Debit payment options so sadly I can't use my sources at least for some time.

 

Maybe not even in foreseeable future since one of my source also doesn't support any other debit card payment option than DD.

 

And that source of mine have had that problem going on for a quite some time.

 

I have been in contact with them, but there hasn't been any answer.

 

It could be related to this very understandable problem related to the wicked coronavirus, but this has been a problem even before the real outbreak of that disease so I'm not so sure about it.

 

So at least until July and maybe even long time after that if not any solution for the problem hasn't been found, then I can't provide any new ratings for the years of 2003-2006 as an example because of the earlier said monthly allowance of pages.

 

It's quite frustrating situation, frankly speaking.

 

However at least I managed to find out some historical F1 ratings for the UK so here are some of them and they are all from the 1980s:

 

1983 Canadian Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 2,75 million viewers as a Race Highlights

 

1983 German Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 2,30 million viewers as a Highlights (This was for the Highlights since the live coverage or at least a major part of it were shown in Grandstand programme.)

 

1985 United States Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 3,50 million viewers as a Race Highlights

 

1985 British Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 3,90 million viewers as a Highlights (This was for the Highlights since the live coverage were shown either within the Grandstand programme or as it's own programme at BBC1, but sadly it's ratings weren't told by the sources itself.)

 

1985 European Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 4,40 million viewers as a Live Coverage (This was Nigel Mansell's first Grand Prix victory race.)

 

1985 Australian Grand Prix: This race has some question mark on it because maybe it was actually seen as a live coverage, but for sure it had 4,25 million viewers at BBC2 so it is either for the Race or as a Race Highlights

 

1986 Monaco Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 3,60 million viewers as a Live Coverage (First I think that it was just a Highlights, but then it had it's stated airing time and for that year it was supposed to begin at 14.30 o' clock, but actually it had started even 9 minutes earlier, at 14.21 o' clock because of the other concluded programmes preceding it. Meaning of course for a earlier live coverage.)

Edited by Blue6ix, 04 June 2020 - 14:18.

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching, I managed to get some other ratings from the season of 2003 since the other variables and for the ratings from the season 2002 were stated to be correct so there at least won't be almost any need of them to be collected any more in future.

 

However, that were just about only good news when following ones were once again rather bad or at least quite odd ones.

 

However the other ratings were following ones and especially 2003 Australian Grand Prix maybe have had different ratings altogether or otherwise they were stated to be little more higher than they were, but here they are:

 

2003 Australian Grand Prix: Race in Melbourne could have had a little less viewers than before. Even as a Combined one and even as a Live Race Coverage. Combined Race Rating were stated to be just a 3,03 million viewers and as a Live Race Coverage as low as a 2,61 million viewers. Re-run Coverage were unaffected even though that could be other way around too.

 

2003 San Marino Grand Prix: By some magazines for some odd reason they campaigned for this race to have a higher ratings and they were stated to be as high as 3,74 million viewers. Even though unless there is some very hefty evidence for it to be found and viewed, I think that this newly found rating for this particular race is just a peak rating for that particular race altogether since the race ratings were lower than this new rating.

 

With this new discovery and especially when maybe considering about the matter of 2003 French Grand Prix and their rating lines it actually may have had more viewers than what I previously did think about them.

 

Even their absolute minimum ratings will now change.

 

Even though I don't think about upgrading it for their own earlier mentioned page because of the uncertainty at the moment.

 

That is of course for the page 18 on this thread.

 

So after quite a many possibilities, 2003 French Grand Prix may now have had either a 1,78 million viewers as their absolute minimum ratings, 2,2 million viewers as an average ratings if counting some races from that season like 2003 Japanese Grand Prix and having discounted the previous ratings from the 2003 Australian Grand Prix and considering them as a Live Race Coverage ratings and finally 2,41 million viewers as their most absolute and maximum ratings when having changes for almost everything and discounting the possible viewership peak rating from the 2003 San Marino Grand Prix.

 

Also, 2003 French Grand Prix were once again stated to have a lesser number of viewers than year before in 2002.

 

2003 French Grand Prix was said to be at time to be one of the most lesser viewed French Grand Prix in the UK or at least after the very early 1990s because in the years of 1992-1994 they apparently had quite high number of viewers most thanks going to BBC1 coverage.

 

Sadly those weren't said again with the 1998 French Grand Prix.

 

1998 French Grand Prix was stated to have beaten some low viewership World Cup matches with it's ratings on ITV, but even then they just weren't stated from their accurate numbers.

 

So the season of 2003 as an whole season and for 16 races appears to have had anything between 3,3 million-3,6 million viewers and maybe even a little higher than 3,6 million viewers, but only when counting peak ratings and even then not much more higher than that.

 

Because of the earlier mentioned limited monthly page allowance and because of the quite many problems with especially this season meaning 2003, I'll think about concentrating on seasons of 2004-2006 and their races, mainly about finding any info about Chinese Grand Prix ratings for the rest of summer and for the early autumn.

 

Rather than just wasting my time trying to find one very persistently and very well hidden race rating (At this case 2003 French Grand Prix.) and when supposed to be found, only to have answers for one question and for many new questions then following right after that.

 

Thanks for that monthly allowance page problem.

 

If those 2003 French Grand Prix and their accurate ratings could be found that would be great!

 

Even though maybe I will check with some possible inconsistencies for any other race from those seasons of 2004-2006 should those occur.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 added with the 2003 French Grand Prix are always appreciated!

Edited by Blue6ix, 01 July 2020 - 19:36.

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching, I managed to get some other ratings from the season of 2004.

 

However, that were just about only good news when following ones were once again rather bad or at least quite odd ones.

 

However the other ratings were following ones and especially 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix maybe have had different ratings altogether, but here they are:

 

2004 Bahrain Grand Prix: Race in Sakhir may have had less viewers than before. Race Rating were stated to be just a 3,43 million viewers. Race Ratings were previously stated to be either as a 3,62 million viewers or as high as a 3,71 million viewers. However as said before, those ratings and previously just latter mentioned one, meaning 3,71 million viewers, are now considered to be just a peak ratings unless there is some very hefty evidence to prove it otherwise. I'm not sure about this, but I'm afraid that The Guardian Overnights information could have been once again a misleading one and that was quite of a while back then, because there were some Horse Racing ratings as well and they may have been mistaked for to be a Grand Prix Racing ones by accident which back then I may have errorneously think about them to be a right ones when they might have not be so.

 

2004 San Marino Grand Prix: By some magazines for some odd reason they campaigned for this race to have a higher ratings and they were stated to be as high as 2,71 million viewers. Even though unless there is some very hefty evidence for it to be found and viewed, I think that this newly found rating for this particular race is just a peak rating for that particular race altogether since the race ratings were lower than this new rating.

 

With this new discovery and especially when maybe considering about the matter of 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix or 2004 San Marino Grand Prix and their rating lines it actually may have had more viewers than what I previously did think about them.

 

Even though I don't think about upgrading it for their own earlier mentioned page because of the uncertainty at the moment.

 

That is of course for the page 18 on this thread.

 

All these new discovery could have either give me a new lead about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix ratings or that will just once again be leading me to a ratings trap.

 

Still when any new information is supposed to be found, this only tends to have answers for one question and for many new questions will be following right after that.

 

Thanks for that monthly allowance page problem. 

 

Even though maybe I will check with some possible inconsistencies for any other race from those seasons of 2004-2006 should those occur as for this case have happened.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 added with the 2003 French Grand Prix are always appreciated! 

 

PS. I might have to recalculate those ratings from 2003 and 2004 because there might be one way to possibly gain the real ratings for the 2003 French Grand Prix and 2004 Chinese Grand Prix. Should those be sufficient and successfully acquired ones, then I will eventually put a new message confirming those ones and then will update the new information for the page 18 on this thread as said earlier, eventually in this month may it be tomorrow or by the end of the month. If it isn't successful, then I sadly have to wait at least a month before posting any new ratings information.

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching and when not being able to recalculate properly those already mentioned ratings from 2003 and 2004, I managed to get at least one different rating from the season of 2005 this time.

 

However, that were just about only good news when it can also be once again rather bad or at least quite odd one.

 

However the only ratings found this time (And excluding one marginally different rating from the 2002 Australian Grand Prix which I don't even see a point to post it because of the very meager and marginally better ratings considering for it's Re-run ratings than before altogether.) was a following one so here it is:

 

2005 Australian Grand Prix: By some magazines for some odd reason they campaigned for this race to have a higher ratings and they were stated to be as high as 4,95 million viewers as a Combined Coverage. Even though unless there is some very hefty evidence for it to be found and viewed, I think that this newly found rating for this particular race is just a absolute peak rating for that particular race altogether since the race ratings were lower than this new rating. Also it had it's normal Live Race Coverage Ratings meaning 2,4 million viewers at this case, but it had 2,55 million viewers for it's Re-run Coverage.

 

Second and more probable, possible higher ratings for it's earlier mentioned ones even though still in doubted for it's position was a rating of 3,82 million viewers as a Combined Coverage. Even though unless there still is some very hefty evidence for it to be found and viewed, I think that even this second one of newly found rating for this particular race is just a peak rating for that particular race altogether since as it stands for now, the race ratings were lower than this another new rating. Also for this another new rating, it had a higher Live Race Coverage Ratings, meaning 2,55 million viewers at this case, but it only had the same amount of viewers like before, meaning 1,27 million viewers for it's Re-run Coverage.

 

With this new discovery and especially when maybe considering about the matter of 2005 Australian Grand Prix it actually may have had more viewers than what I previously did think about them.

 

Even though I don't think about upgrading it for their own earlier mentioned page because of the uncertainty at the moment.

 

That is of course for the page 18 on this thread.

 

There has been two new leads about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix and for their ratings as in many other races for the seasons of 2005-2006 like Malaysian Grand Prix, Bahrain Grand Prix, San Marino Grand Prix, French Grand Prix and Turkish Grand Prix, but sadly there isn't much to do about them at the moment.

 

Thanks for that monthly allowance page problem.

 

Even though maybe I will check with some possible inconsistencies for any other race from those seasons of 2004-2006 should those occur as for this case have happened.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 added with the 2003 French Grand Prix are always appreciated!  

Edited by Blue6ix, 01 September 2020 - 18:02.

[Blue6ix]

After quite of a searching, I managed to get at least one different rating from the season of 2005 this time.

 

However, that were just about only good news when it can also be once again rather bad or at least quite odd one.

 

However the only ratings found this time was a following one so here it is:

 

2005 Turkish Grand Prix: Race in Istanbul Park may have had less viewers than before. Race Rating were stated to be just a 2,52 million viewers. Race Ratings were previously stated to be as high as a 3,93 million viewers. However as said before and like in the case of 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix, those ratings and previously unlike in the case of 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix just newly mentioned one, meaning 2,52 million viewers, is now considered to be just a minimum ratings unless there is some very hefty evidence to prove it otherwise.

 

I'm not sure about this, but I'm afraid that The Guardian Overnights information could have been once again a misleading one and that was quite of a while back then, because there were some comparisons to the 2006 Turkish Grand Prix and it was also stated that it may have not been able to gather that much viewers than what was previously said, but it was still containing a higher audience figure than the following Turkish Grand Prix anyways. Back then I may have errorneously think about them to be a right ones when they might have not be so.

 

With this new discovery and especially when maybe considering about the matter of 2005 Turkish Grand Prix it actually may have had less viewers than what I previously did think about them.

 

Or at least if not, then it definitely at least had stated it's minimum number of viewers and had quite of a more insight audience research put on it rather than many other Grand Prix during that year.

 

At least for what I'm been able to find out.

 

Even though I don't think about upgrading it for their own earlier mentioned page because of the uncertainty at the moment.

 

That is of course for the page 18 on this thread.

 

There has been two new leads about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix and for their ratings as in many other races for the seasons of 2005-2006 like Malaysian Grand Prix, Bahrain Grand Prix, San Marino Grand Prix, French Grand Prix and Turkish Grand Prix, but sadly there isn't much to do about them at the moment.

 

Thanks for that monthly allowance page problem.

 

Also those two new leads about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix were proved sadly to be misleading ones so the mystery remains around that particular race.

 

Even though maybe I will check with some possible inconsistencies for any other race from those seasons of 2004-2006 should those occur as for this case have happened.

 

There was also a one new lead about the 2003 French Grand Prix, but that could also turn to a false one indeed.

 

Unless there isn't a change for a possible miraculous luck to occur just in case this finally turns out to be a good one.

 

Previously, as said before, there was a massive mix-up especially told to consider about to the season 2003 and from that year's december issues there is a one slightly misprinted week which I haven't been able to investigate back then. November issues for that year also had a similiar massive mix-up, but those issues have been re-read, corrected and even their misprinted ones for their own ratings on their weekend information didn't finally had anything about the 2003 French Grand Prix.

 

Providing that lead will turn out to be a false hope, I really think that would almost 100 % surely be the end of that issue for finding that race rating.

 

Of course there is always a change to finally found out those frustratingly hard to even catch on ratings and they should be definitely interesting ones indeed!

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 added with the 2003 French Grand Prix are always appreciated!

Edited by Blue6ix, 02 October 2020 - 00:12.

[Blue6ix]

Finally after some very hard searching, I managed to get some very long sought information about the ratings of 2003 French Grand Prix.

 

Even though there still remains a little doubt about it's very 100 % verified ratings information, my new sources managed to be as trustworthy as they can be for now at least.

 

Mainly because there was also a few other information snippets about this particular race which I didn't thought that those ones previously even existed.

 

Like exact (Or at least very near to be exact ratings not just for the race ratings overviewed audience, but also for their age group divided ratings section for each group like 16-34 year old male audience, same age group female audience as well and few other information about previous French Grand Prix ratings up to the year of 1999.) ratings and also some other information like about 30 second commercial advertising prize for ITV as well and that actually were surprisingly low for it's race even for the year of 2003 when comparing to many other Grand Prix they were actually quite high a piece.

 

It was also a surprise to discover the missing information, not from the november or the december issues, but actually from one of the august issues from the year of 2003.

 

Tentatively this new information will be well than enough for a update to this thread and it's familiar page 18.

 

Even though even this will not most likely be the real, concrete update for the year of 2003, it's better than nothing or the question marks by mine opinion.

 

So it will be at least sufficient for a time being and there will most likely be only one, final update considering the year of 2003 and their particular Grand Prix season in the future after this.

 

Unless someone can really verify that these following ratings for the 2003 French Grand Prix are finally correct ones.

 

If indeed they are or will be correct ones, then the season of 2003 and their ratings have been finally found after the search of many months or for some cases like years as for this and for the earlier 2003 Japanese Grand Prix as per example.

 

And of course if they really are correct ones, no further update for the season of 2003 will not be needed.

 

However before any further explanations, ratings for the 2003 French Grand Prix, held in Magny-Cours for that year were the following ones if finally they are indeed correct:

 

2003 French Grand Prix: Race in Magny-Cours actually had or may have had almost 100 % surely more viewers than previously thought, but not that much viewers than in then previous year, meaning the 2002 French Grand Prix. Previously there were also too many possibilities to be either a high or low ratings for them since they weren't that much specified. Ratings for the 2003 French Grand Prix were low, but it was not in course to be with the lowest ones. 2003 French Grand Prix had 2,514 million viewers on average if they can be verified to be the correct ratings.

 

What was most interestingly said when discovered, the age group audience for the 2003 French Grand Prix and for the 16-34 year old male viewers was at time 336 000 viewers. As for what comes to it when comparing these new race ratings for the supposedly more watched 2003 French Grand Prix Qualifying, then the race actually were more watched rather than the Qualifying even though there were quite a heavy rooting for it to be supposedly more watched than the race itself.

 

Though not by a very large margin, but still.

 

2003 French Grand Prix also weren't the lowest Grand Prix watched in UK back then in 2003 or even a little later in 2006 when there was a comparison for the lowest Grand Prix in UK at that point.

 

As for what comes to the situation about the very full 100 % information verification about this particular Grand Prix (This means if and only even these newly discovered information will not be true ones or at least are stated to be incorrect from the other sources.) and for the season of 2003, it maybe can be hard to go for it.

 

Because of that persisting monthly page allowance problem which may become to be a unsolved one since there is a thing that my source magazine doesn't support for any other paying options than for the DD card payment and even the negotiations for a possible one-time exemption payment rule failed previously.

 

Even though finally those mix-up issues were solved for that particular november and december issues, it finally excluding the 2003 Japanese Grand Prix ratings was nothing but a massive waste of time.

 

That's because of course for the monthly page allowance problem.

 

However, after all of this, there also are a few other lingering issues previously from the 2003 Australian Grand Prix and from the 2003 San Marino Grand Prix for their ratings.

 

Even though after a little more research, I personally think that they are just a some other tentative ratings or just the possible peak ratings.

 

And there is one last thing:

 

I also think that 2003 Grand Prix ratings average will be higher than previously said bare minimum number of 3,2 million viewers for a 16 race season.

 

Almost for no matter what.

 

So for that season there will be a 3,3-3,6 million viewers depending on about the new 2003 French Grand Prix when they will be now almost sure to be a correct ones indeed.

 

Maybe there were even a little better ratings average, say a little over 3,6 million viewers, but not much above than that.

 

However, all of this depends on that 2003 French Grand Prix rating for their new and heavily tentative ratings can be verified indeed to be true at last.

 

Otherwise, there will be one more search in future.

 

Or no search at all for that season and for the 2003 French Grand Prix.

 

Mainly because of the time restrictions for just a one race when there is a few other race to discover for the seasons of 2004-2006.

 

And of course for the seasons of 1992-1995 and the 1998 French Grand Prix as well.

 

Even though the only real problem for the 2004-2006 season is the Chinese Grand Prix for the each year since there is almost none information about them at all when considering about their ratings.

 

And there of course are some uncertain ratings for some other races as well.

 

Even though page allowance problem might be too much for me to overcome for the rest of the year.

 

Even though I will try find some ratings for missing ratings when december eventually comes and of course when the next year comes too.

 

There has been a one new lead about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix and for their ratings as in many other races for the seasons of 2005-2006 like Malaysian Grand Prix, Bahrain Grand Prix, San Marino Grand Prix, French Grand Prix and Turkish Grand Prix, but sadly there isn't much to do about them at the moment.

 

I'm also tempted to do (Maybe in the very end of the year or the upcoming early months in the following year.) my own Grand Prix ratings comparisons from the years of 1992-2006 and they will be for the European races but also for the American, Asian and Pacific races too since even though there will not be the every race unless found, there still exist enough of them to be compared with. Though they will only be done, if there has a really sufficient amount of those races and if for some races their real race ratings can be verified rather than having only their Re-Runs for example.

 

I'll do them when there is enough of time to do them and also when the search for the season of either 2005 or 2006 ends.

 

It depends on one thing since my magazine source oddly haves quite good amount of information up to the year of 2005, but for the year of 2006 ratings information actually get somewhat more hazy and it also gets included for some other magazine insight stories or something which is quite annoying frankly speaking.

 

It is more frustrating at times when reading accidentally about even just a one insight story it counts off for the monthly allowed pages and if that said page doesn't include the actual ratings information, but just a story about ratings as in their particular order then that is just a waste of time to read about some story behind the ratings, but not getting actual ratings.

 

Or in some very few cases you just get some very heavily exaggerated ratings info or even a fewer cases too low ratings.

 

As for the new information, it will be updated to the page of 18 for this particular thread right after this message.

 

And what comes to the 2003 French Grand Prix and it's now very heavily tentative finally verified ratings, I will wait eagerly for any other ratings information for them if those would still be incorrect ones.

 

And of course if they really are finally correct ones that will be great!

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 are always appreciated! 

Edited by Blue6ix, 04 November 2020 - 03:04.

[Blue6ix]

Sadly after a very hard and also a new searching, there weren't any real new information about some races for the seasons of 2004-2006.

 

Mainly the question about Chinese Grand Prix for every single one of them for those years is the main and hardest challenge to find out.

 

Other races with just a focused, detailed and more possibly pointedly contained ratings would be included, if found for the 2004 Australian Grand Prix, 2004 Malaysian Grand Prix, 2004 French Grand Prix, 2005 Malaysian Grand Prix, 2005 Bahrain Grand Prix, 2005 San Marino Grand Prix, 2005 French Grand Prix, 2006 Bahrain Grand Prix, 2006 Malaysian Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix and finally 2006 Turkish Grand Prix.

 

All of those Grand Prix unrelated to the Chinese Grand Prix issue isn't really about that hard or bad thing at a moment, but it's just having their somewhat and possibly incorrectly formated ratings sorted out to be real ones without rumours.

 

Because they might have some issues as explained before.

 

Also, the one lead about 2004 Chinese Grand Prix lead sadly to a nought, once again.

 

As before and one issue too big to overcome for the rest of the year and possibly at least for the start of the next year is sadly mentioned and persistent monthly page allowance problem.

 

I really don't know what to do about that thing.

 

As said and when things are like they are, I'm still tempted to do that early mentioned own Grand Prix ratings comparisons from the years of 1992-2006 or from the years of 1992-2009 and they will be for the European races, but also for the American, Asian and Pacific races too since even though there will not be the every race unless found, there still exist enough of them to be compared with.

 

Though they will only be done, if there really has a sufficient amount of those races and if for some races their real race ratings can be verified rather than having only their Re-Runs for example.

 

There actually is sufficient amount of those races to have a ratings, but some of them will only have a Re-Run or just possible one broadcast rating for some races since it's uncertain if some early 1990s fly-away-races from the years of 1992-1994 even had a second broadcast at all and as a such were labelled as in their cases 'Live Coverage' by BBC or the magazines even if they really weren't.

 

That curious problem concerns only about some Japanese Grand Prix and Australian Grand Prix and possibly for the 1994 Pacific Grand Prix when comparison for them is to be made.

 

So, either in near the end of the year or very early of the next year, I will put those in place for their own comparisons.

 

Unless of course someone has some other ratings information for this to tell about.

 

Any new information for the ratings from the years of 1992-1995, 1998 and now on from the years of 2004-2006 are always appreciated as told before!  

Edited by Blue6ix, 02 December 2020 - 08:51.

[Blue6ix]

After a very long time there really isn't any news for old problems to solve.

 

However, here is some new information when considering about some BBC F1 TV Ratings from the year of 1985 and after a curious searching when considering supposed claims that the following two Grand Prix gather 8 million viewers or there abouts and they actually in a sense are true for their claims, but not in that sense and only as in following:

 

1985 British Grand Prix: 8 million viewers (Even though it was said to have this much of viewers... Well unlike the claims in BBC Grand Prix yearbook with Stuart Stu Sykes and Roger Moody in reality it didn't had that much of a viewers. Rating mentioned is actually Combined rating meaning the Live Coverage added with the Highlights Grand Prix programme.)

 

What I mentioned back then about this in 4.6.2020, the situation were following one:

 

''It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 3,90 million viewers as a Highlights (This was for the Highlights since the live coverage were shown either within the Grandstand programme or as it's own programme at BBC1, but sadly it's ratings weren't told by the sources itself.)''

 

So Highlights did gather that much and unless there is a better source, Grandstand programme or as it's own programme at BBC1 did gather 4,1 million viewers making then that supposed 8 million viewers.

 

1985 European Grand Prix: 8 million viewers  (Even though it was said to have this much of viewers... Well unlike the claims in BBC Grand Prix yearbook with Stuart Stu Sykes and Roger Moody in reality it didn't had that much of a viewers. Rating mentioned is actually Combined rating meaning the Live Coverage added with the Highlights Grand Prix programme.)

 

What I mentioned back then about this in 4.6.2020, the situation were following one:

 

''It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 4,40 million viewers as a Live Coverage (This was Nigel Mansell's first Grand Prix victory race.)''

 

So Live Coverage did gather that much and unless there is a better source, Highlights Grand Prix programme also at BBC2 did gather 3,60 million viewers making then that supposed 8 million viewers.

 

Even though they were somewhat passable ratings back then, eventually Grand Prix programmes or even a live coverage had a better ratings.

 

Mansellmania had also something to say about it when eventually for the 1992 British Grand Prix they had finally a claim matching result of having more than 8 million viewers watching the race itself even without other programmes help which somewhat back then added those ratings to have sometimes very astronomically high TV ratings in UK.

[Blue6ix]

After a very long time as previously mentioned, there is a few other ratings from the old days as well that I have found out about!

 

However, they are from the year of 1978 and back then British TV audience measurement industry had mildly putting, very interesting methods to carry out their measuring of things:

 

For the commercial business and very rarely for the non-commecial business they had JICTAR and non-commercial or at least for the public they had BFI with associations provided by BBC:s own research measurement board.

 

Therefore there basically existed two different methods to gather and conduct those ratings.

 

They had their flaws back then, but it supposedly still were much better than so called 'TV diary' methods back then in the very early steps and actually for quite a long time to come!

 

They are also for the Grand Prix Programme back then which after the two year developing, postponing and any other inside delaying reasons were finally put in the telly for the 1978 Monaco Grand Prix to come.

 

Here are two examples that I found out and are somewhat mentioned briefly in the BBC Grand Prix Yearbook from 1985 by Stuart Stu Sykes with Roger Moody:

 

1978 Monaco Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 500 000 viewers with approximately a 1 million viewers peaking before the end of broadcast (This was the very first Grand Prix programme for it's run after the delays and then continuing up to the 1996 Japanese Grand Prix. Those were the viewing figures for that late spring-very early summer's evening of Monaco race, on BBC2 at nearly 11 o' clock as in PM. That were for the Telly Sport bosses a respectable enough rating- and that despite the fact that it was a new programme as a second last TV programme before the end of the TV day- and that a next day was a Monday work day! For the Live Coverage for it's associated programme or as it's own programme for either of the channels I really don't know answer for that question as in now. Possibly there weren't any other programme at all. Only reason I even know about this race and it's ratings is only because of that yearbook mentioned above.)

 

1978 British Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 2,5 million viewers (For the Live Coverage within the Grandstand Programme or as it's own programme at BBC1 I really don't know answer for that question as in now. Possibly it could have had a mixup with their ratings and the other way around. Only reason I even know about this race and it's ratings is only because of that yearbook mentioned above. If these ratings are for the Grand Prix programme and it's evening broadcast time then those once again possibly impressed those Telly Sport bosses. If not, then it might have been a somewhat dissapointing rating for the time back then and when mentioning it as a possible programme for BBC1.)

 

Hopefully in time there will be a further discoveries when thinking about the subject of this!

Edited by Blue6ix, 25 January 2024 - 05:53.

[Clatter]

After a very long time there really isn't any news for old problems to solve.

However, here is some new information when considering about some BBC F1 TV Ratings from the year of 1985 and after a curious searching when considering supposed claims that the following two Grand Prix gather 8 million viewers or there abouts and they actually in a sense are true for their claims, but not in that sense and only as in following:

1985 British Grand Prix: 8 million viewers (Even though it was said to have this much of viewers... Well unlike the claims in BBC Grand Prix yearbook with Stuart Stu Sykes and Roger Moody in reality it didn't had that much of a viewers. Rating mentioned is actually Combined rating meaning the Live Coverage added with the Highlights Grand Prix programme.)

What I mentioned back then about this in 4.6.2020, the situation were following one:

''It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 3,90 million viewers as a Highlights (This was for the Highlights since the live coverage were shown either within the Grandstand programme or as it's own programme at BBC1, but sadly it's ratings weren't told by the sources itself.)''

So Highlights did gather that much and unless there is a better source, Grandstand programme or as it's own programme at BBC1 did gather 4,1 million viewers making then that supposed 8 million viewers.

1985 European Grand Prix: 8 million viewers (Even though it was said to have this much of viewers... Well unlike the claims in BBC Grand Prix yearbook with Stuart Stu Sykes and Roger Moody in reality it didn't had that much of a viewers. Rating mentioned is actually Combined rating meaning the Live Coverage added with the Highlights Grand Prix programme.)

What I mentioned back then about this in 4.6.2020, the situation were following one:

''It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 4,40 million viewers as a Live Coverage (This was Nigel Mansell's first Grand Prix victory race.)''

So Live Coverage did gather that much and unless there is a better source, Highlights Grand Prix programme also at BBC2 did gather 3,60 million viewers making then that supposed 8 million viewers.

Even though they were somewhat passable ratings back then, eventually Grand Prix programmes or even a live coverage had a better ratings.

Mansellmania had also something to say about it when eventually for the 1992 British Grand Prix they had finally a claim matching result of having more than 8 million viewers watching the race itself even without other programmes help which somewhat back then added those ratings to have sometimes very astronomically high TV ratings in UK.

Don't forget that back then the UK only had 3 channels. People would watch things just for something to do, even if they were not particulary interested in it, plus many would not have remote controlled tv's, and wouldnt bother to get out of their chair to change channel.

[LittleChris]

 plus many would not have remote controlled tv's, and wouldnt bother to get out of their chair to change channel.

 

I used a bamboo cane to poke the channel buttons rather than get off the sofa 

[Sterzo]

I used a bamboo cane to poke the channel buttons rather than get off the sofa 

Ee lad, life were tough in them days.

[LittleChris]

Ee lad, life were tough in them days.

Especially for the tomato plant previously relying on the cane for support 

[Blue6ix]

No sadly British or UK F1 TV Ratings, but according to the FOCA Yearbook of F1 World Championship 1990 (One with a black cover with a very neat Ayrton Senna's 1990 McLaren-Honda car.) it explained a little about Japanese TV Ratings back then.

 

I'm still in the middle of reading it since it seems to be quite huge (More only pictures rather than words on-page material which can be a sad thing depending on perspective.) and according to those paragraphs explaining of the Japanese then near history with it's TV Coverage and it seems to me that the Japanese TV Broadcaster, meaning Fuji TV, had seemingly very small TV ratings back then for the beginning of very wide scale Japanese TV exposure for the F1 World Championship season of 1987.

 

Up to three years later as explained in the year of 1990, the situation seemed to be same.

 

Howerver, supposed 'only 5 %' of the Japanese people watching the races (Other than Japanese Grand Prix or the near timetable matching race like Australian Grand Prix as an example.) was still somewhat big enough.

 

Basically that meant around that time that they meaning Fuji TV, had around 6 million viewers per race.

 

Yes, it seemed to be a miniscule amount ot TV viewers, but when taking into account of broadcast times from the other continent and time zone that was somewhat not that small at all!

 

Especially since they were broadcasted in Japan basically at the middle of the night, meaning like 1 o' clock, 2 o' clock or even as late as 3 o' clock meaning at latest very late night/very early morning depending for the point of view!

 

And of course for the better broadcast times like their own home race or near more fitting timetable matching race they were really big ones usually!

 

Hopefully there will be some information about Japanese TV Ratings or as some other history for as an example about the question of the possible exact year of when they did extensively begun to show F1 races in Japan even though of course previously they did show the races in the 1970s, but possibly not that much or at least it's been very difficult to find out about that question.

Edited by Blue6ix, 30 January 2024 - 16:50.

[Blue6ix]

When talking about for the year of 1983 and about the possible F1 TV Ratings for BBC during that year there has been a little information source that I managed to find out about!

 

Sadly there really isn't too much of a information, but at least in Anthony Tony Howard's 1984 book Countdown to a Grand Prix it was mentioned that basically BBC had approximately 60 million viewers for the whole F1 season of 1983, meaning that it had 4 million viewers per race.

 

Also sadly, it weren't said that whenever they were their respective Grand Prix highlights programme and their ratings or possibly including race coverage ratings from the Grandstand programme with the possible Re-runs as well.

 

It was also mentioned that the whole BBC had some little over 20 hours broadcast airing time for formula 1 races for that year since that particular season had 15 races which counted towards the world championship and one, final race with non-championship status.

 

It were somewhat good as for the whole season average, but back then it was still considered to have been at least a little better than that.

 

Like I said recently a few messages previously that in 4.6.2020 I wrote up the following ratings for two 1983 season races:

 

''However at least I managed to find out some historical F1 ratings for the UK so here are some of them and they are all from the 1980s:

 

1983 Canadian Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 2,75 million viewers as a Race Highlights

 

1983 German Grand Prix: It was broadcasted at BBC2 and it had 2,30 million viewers as a Highlights (This was for the Highlights since the live coverage or at least a major part of it were shown in Grandstand programme.)''

 

Definitely those two races (For the German Grand Prix I haven't been still able to find out about ratings either for the live coverage or of the Grandstand programme which possibly included it.) didn't really attract viewers back then and I'm still somewhat sceptical about the supposed 4 million viewers per average race rating unless more information could be found.

[jonpollak]

I used a bamboo cane to poke the channel buttons rather than get off the sofa 

i'm programming that Elton chip in my head to change channels for me.

Jp

[Blue6ix]

Even though there is still quite of a many UK Ratings missing or unsure from the years of 1992-2006, I have thinking about to start comparing BBC or ITV ones with Italian ones because I also do have quite a many historical race ratings and also from the recent season as well.

 

Even though I have to sort them before I actually will send them.

 

Races will be from the seasons of 1991-1992 because there has been a new discoveries for the Italian ones and when comparing last time, I mean of course when I did a similiar comparison in 19.2.2019, there has been changes from those days and also some new British TV ratings have been found since from those days.

 

Even though British TV ratings weren't normally really good and were actually soundly beaten many times.

 

Into the next message then!

[Blue6ix]

So here are some race ratings from Italian TV and British TV from the seasons of 1991 and 1992.

 

This is partially a re-post from 22.2.2019 also combining some elements from the message of 27.5.2019 when I send that particular post, but it contains somewhat more new stuff with ratings for both of them so let's have a look:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1991 VS. UK TV Ratings 1991

 

Phoenix: 7,206 million and 2,29 million as a Race Highlights or just Race (It was seen in Italia 1 and if I'm not mistaken, it was highest watched commercial channel Grand Prix in Italy before 1994 Italian Grand Prix. Even in this day, it most likely remains to be at least ninth most watched commercial channel Grand Prix in Italy ever. So it seems that Italy 1 beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Montreal: 6,249 million and 3,35 million as a Race Highlights or just Race (This is a new rating found for Italian TV. It was seen Italia 1. So it seems that Italy 1 beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Mexico City: 5,305 million and 2,09 million as a Race Highlights and 1,32 million as a Monday Re-run (It was seen in RAI Due. So it seems that RAI Due beat BBC for that matter of comparison and not even Combined Coverage wouldn't help BBC for that matter.)

 

Magny-Cours: 5,528 million and 2,19 million (This is a new rating found for Italian TV. This race were seen in Italia 1. As a important footnote this race was being held at Magny-Cours for the first time. This particular French Grand Prix only as a highlights was a last straw for the british fans and it caused a major uproar which caused BBC to make amendments for the upcoming years and to have a little more live coverage races to be added for showing in the late of that year. So it seems that Italia 1 beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

I can't compare 1991 San Marino Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for British BBC2 race coverage. In Italy 1991 San Marino Grand Prix had 7,681 million viewers and it was seen in RAI Due. It was maybe so that BBC2 did lost RAI Due or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according to this matter of fact. I can't also compare 1991 Italian Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for British BBC2 race coverage. In Italy 1991 Italian Grand Prix had 6,200 million viewers and it was seen in Italia 1. It seems to be that Italia 1 did beat BBC2 or maybe it didn't as of what he situation currently is according to this matter of fact at the moment.  I can't also compare 1991 Spanish Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for British BBC2 race coverage. In Italy 1991 Spanish Grand Prix had 5,656 million viewers and it was seen in Italia 1. It seems to be that Italia 1 did beat BBC2 or maybe it didn't as of what he situation currently is according to this matter of fact at the moment.

 

I can't also compare some races for the Italian TV as well since I don't have accurate ratings for them.

 

I can't compare 1991 Brazilian Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for Italian RAI Due. In UK 1991 Brazilian Grand Prix had 2,52 million as a Race Highlights or just Race and it was seen in BBC2. It was maybe so that BBC2 did lost RAI Due or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according to this matter of fact. I can't also compare 1991 German Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for Italian RAI Due. In UK 1991 German Grand Prix had 2,26 million and it was seen in BBC2. It was maybe so that BBC2 did lost RAI Due or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according this matter of fact.

 

I can't also compare 1991 Japanese Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for Italian 1. In UK 1991 Japanese Grand Prix had at least 2,10 million as a Race Re-run and that particular Race Re-run were seen in BBC2. Also as an important note this Grand Prix had it's surprise Live Coverage. It was shown in BBC2. Two reasons for that to happen were a one certain Mr. Red Five to have a change for the championship and of course by the pressure from the British fans to have a clemency for their earlier French Grand Prix mock-up and similiar incidents from the earlier years when stated, but not shown promised races as a live coverage.

 

Also BBC made sure that if the championship was not decided when there, the next race, meaning Australian Grand Prix would have also shown as a live coverage. Because of this reason I'm not sure about the ratings for the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix Race, but it was mentioned at some of the 1992 magazines that it had a lower amount of viewers than in the 1992 Japanese Grand Prix so I think 1991 Japanese Grand Prix Race ratings were around 1 million when as in 1992 they were at least 1,3 million. It was maybe so that BBC2 did lost Italia 1 or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according this matter of fact.

 

Finally I can't also compare 1991 Australian Grand Prix as I don't have accurate ratings for Italian RAI Due. In UK 1991 Australian Grand Prix had 3,80 million as a Race and 2,96 million as a Re-run and these particular Race and Re-run were seen in at least for one of them at BBC2. Also as an important note this particular Grand Prix is interesting. Since most likely it was the shortest Grand Prix ever to be raced with it's 14 accepted laps and 17 non-accepted laps and also by the fact that BBC could have shown this race or was prepared to have shown this race, once again as an exception, as a fully live coverage.

 

Also for this instance, Australian Grand Prix had a earlier Re-run and I'm not sure about this race being shown as a live, but if so then it had quite high number of viewers. Otherwise that first mentioned rating is only for the Race Highlights.

 

And also otherwise the race was shown as a non-live coverage altogether and it just had it's Re-run Highlights later by the day. And as a final note for time being, this race was flagged off so it actually didn't matter that much as of when it had so short running time around the world as it was for the BBC coverage as well.

 

All of those programmes related to Australian Grand Prix that year excluding the possibility of the surprise live coverage were to be shown in BBC2 and only in immediate and desperate situation at the BBC1.

 

This particular Australian Grand Prix had a possibility to held as a Monday race, if there was a flagoff as it had, but sadly by the pressure of international media and the championship already decided that option was widely abandoned one. This discovery of possible multiple highlights programmes for the Australian Grand Prix as an example, have made me to think about a few other 1990s Australian Grand Prix and also possibly a few other 1990s Japanese Grand Prix as well. The problem is that did they had any additional highlights programmes on BBC when shown?

 

Because if true, there will be compromised ratings for the 1993 Japanese Grand Prix, 1993 Australian Grand Prix and for the 1994 Pacific Grand Prix. Hopefully I'm not mistaken, but if so, I will make corrections of them after a coordinated re-searching of those ratings and any other added programmes and materials relating to them. It was maybe so that either BBC2 or BBC1 depending of the broadcasting issues did lost RAI Due or maybe it didn't as of what the situation currently is according this matter of fact.

 

Those race ratings were from the 1991 season so here is the comparison with few new 1992 Grand Prix ratings in UK and in Italy:

 

Italy F1 TV Ratings 1992 VS. UK TV Ratings 1992

 

Barcelona: 5,325 million viewers and 3,99 million viewers (It was seen in Italia 1 so Italy 1 beat BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

Magny-Cours: 4,744 million viewers and Anything at range of 5,45 million-6,28 million? (This is a new rating found for Italian TV. It was seen in Italia 1 so Italy 1 possibly lost to BBC for that matter of comparison. Not too much, but it could be so for once. It is important to note that these British ratings are heavily tentative ratings and they could easily change. Ratings could have been big because this race was seen on BBC1. Also the latter rating is actually the line of BBC1 30th best placed programme and French Grand Prix was below it. How much then, it wasn't sadly said so searching for a precise ratings is continuing. Until that point and unless someone can help me with this matter. Before that situation is what it is and hopefully it wouldn't remain so for too long.)

 

Monza: 3,772 million viewers and 4,59 million viewers (This is a new rating found for Italian TV. It was seen in Italia 1. For once and 100 % surely Italy 1 lost to BBC for that matter of comparison.)

 

While not actually TV Rating itself and sadly still with no exact number of viewers to be compared with, 1992 German Grand Prix and race in Italy had best of non-Olympic TV programme share per percentage. Race in Hockenheim gathered about 37 % for all the viewers from RAI Due for that race.

[Blue6ix]

Sadly no any ratings information for the old UK F1 TV Coverage, but I finally definitely have confirmed that BBC2 indeed showed 1991 Japanese Grand Prix even as a full live coverage and eventually had of course those Race Highlights as for the same-day evening programme also in BBC2.

 

Actually, BBC2 had it's own respective coverage even longer regardless of the retirement of Nigel Mansell and confirmation of the world championship by that point.

 

Ayrton Senna won that, sadly for the last time.

 

BBC2 as said few rows above, had actually it's own world championship special montage for Senna at that point and had already got more coverage for the race when compared to many other live races and especially when compared to the earlier 'fly-away' races back then.

 

Even by the end of the coverage 1991 Japanese Grand Prix still had some more little montage pictures for Ayrton and some memorable words from Murray Walker as usual.

 

So when all of this has been settled then, I possibly will and when I got more time to do that, update some other previous issues for this particular race regarding it's ratings or status since it is now definitely been confirmed as a live coverage.

 

More questions can now possibly be aimed at some other Japanese Grand Prix before or even sometimes after the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix.

Edited by Blue6ix, 14 November 2024 - 15:35.

[jonpollak]

Dude..
Jp

[absinthedude]

Apropos of nothing, I have a recording of the entire BBC2 live broadcast of the 1991 Japanese GP. 

[pacificquay]

Mental when we think about the amount of coverage now that 1995 was the first year the BBC showed every race live.

 

I think Pacific Grand Prix of 1994 was the last one that wasn't

[F1 Mike]

Mental when we think about the amount of coverage now that 1995 was the first year the BBC showed every race live.

I think Pacific Grand Prix of 1994 was the last one that wasn't

Although there was still Eurosport that eventually showed all races and sessions live. From which year that started I'm not sure. From channel launch??

[absinthedude]

Eurosport was showing the races live certainly from 1990 when I first encountered it and probably before. 

 

After 1994, Bernie declined to continue the deal with Eurosport because he wanted more lucrative deals with bigger broadcasters who could pay more than Eurosport could. Pity, because the actual show that Eurosport gave us was good. Wattie and Allard Kalff, few commercials, few gimmicks. Usually practice sessions, always qualifying and the race live. 

[Blue6ix]

Eurosport was showing the races live certainly from 1990 when I first encountered it and probably before. 

 

After 1994, Bernie declined to continue the deal with Eurosport because he wanted more lucrative deals with bigger broadcasters who could pay more than Eurosport could. Pity, because the actual show that Eurosport gave us was good. Wattie and Allard Kalff, few commercials, few gimmicks. Usually practice sessions, always qualifying and the race live. 

 

Just so.

 

Even though that happened in 1994, still Eurosport show us F1 up to the year of 1996.