69 replies to this topic

[pierrefrogeye]

Has anyone heard of the Chichester Motoring Club. I assume it no longer exist or has changed name. Any information on this would be really appreciated as i ma trying to trace the history of a car which was driven by a John Starley in the 60'. The driver used to belong to this club amongst other Sussex motoring clubs.

[Tim Murray]

The 'local' motor club would seem to be Bognor Regis MC, which seems to cover Chichester and the surrounding area and meets at Eartham, NE of Chichester. It might be that the two clubs merged. At any rate, I feel sure that there will be someone there who knows what happened to Chichester Motoring Club.

http://www.bognor-re...o.uk/index.html

[pierrefrogeye]

Many Thanks Tim this is useful hopefully i will found out who was Mr Starley which i mention also in my other post. I think he must have been quite active in the south of England as he ws alos part of the Brighton & hove, BARC, Amateur Automobile Racing Club and SouthSea Motoring Club...I am really keen to find out who he was , what type of race he was involved in etc...before restoring the car as this will also give me an indication of what type of engine he was using since it was missing when i bought the shell... http://www.sebringsp...com/2080po.html

Many thanks again for replying to the post

[h4887]

to trace the history of a car which was driven by a John Starley in the 60'.

Would that be John Starkey?

[David McKinney]

I think John Srakey's a Brummie
Leastwise when I first heard of him he was managing Bob Davis, aka Jasper Carrott

Edited by David McKinney, 25 June 2011 - 08:43.

[Mistron]

Based on the info on the cars wing, Google gives this (current) info, which I'd think would be a good starting point:

Starley's Garage
24 Hythe Road
Brighton
East Sussex BN1 6JS


Telephone: 01273 555748

Fax: 01273 500175

And I wonder if you've seen this ad for another car which sold recently, which gives a fair bit of info: http://www.carandcla....uk/car/C200153

I think I remember seeing a garage in this area of Brighton when I was last there ( 10 years ago probably) which had a lovely old illuminated Lotus sign. I presume this was Starley's garage.

Edited by Mistron, 25 June 2011 - 09:11.

[fuzzi]

The Chichester Motoring Club ran the Ditcham Hill Climb between June 1968 and September 1972. For the last two years they operated with the BARC (South East Centre). I tried to find the Chichester MC without result.

My notes don't include Mr Starley sorry, but Autosport published fairly full reports.

[pierrefrogeye]

Hi All many thanks for all of your clues and information. From what i gather the car was first bought by a D. A. Starkey (with a K) and then sold to a Lionel Noel Starley (with a L). I think the driver was a John Starley as it shows on the door. I have contacted the garage in Brighton and hopefully will get some further clues from there. Meanwhile I am trying all the clubs which badges were on the car, namely the Southsea motoring club, BARC, Brighton and Hove , Austin Healy club , Chichester Motoring club and the Amateur Automobile Racing club.....any further pointer or someone remebering the distinctive livery of the car on a pic would be really great also the car was raced with a Brookland visor i believe (i.e no windscreen) as the car came with the visor...

thank you again all for your info it is really usefull to my project...

[Mistron]

google streetview shows the house at 24 Hythe Road with loads of scafolding over it, and there is a decent sized commercial garage nextdoor which appears to be closed or undergoing refurbishment at the same time. no sign of he name Starley's Garage on it I'm afraid

[Roger Clark]

Advert from Motor Sport, May 1964:

1960 Sprite, Sebring bonnet, many extras, modified body, damaged, offers. Starley, 24 Hythe Road, Brighton.

[pierrefrogeye]

Hi Roger



This is great information , many thanks for this, this is really useful. |I assume he may have decided to keep after all it as i have some scrutiniser tickets mentioning an event in firle hil in May 1966 as well as the Brighton Speed trials in 1966. It may also explain why the bonnet is in a differnt shape than a Sebring (rounded at front + a groove at the front..http://www.sebringsprite.com/2080po.html )I have also some other tickets but they do not indicate the place just the dates:

--13 March 1966
-- BARC Surrey centre Sprint 1966
--19 june 1966
--RAC 17th September 1966



I assume he raced those principally in the South of England.

Anyhow, many thanks this is really top info !

kind regards

Pierre

[HiRich]

19th June 1966 is probably Firle Hill again (MGCC & BARC South Eastern Centre). I can tell you it's not Wiscombe Park hillclimb

17th September is probably Brighton.

As you say, it looks like he stayed close to home.

[pierrefrogeye]

19th June 1966 is probably Firle Hill again (MGCC & BARC South Eastern Centre). I can tell you it's not Wiscombe Park hillclimb

17th September is probably Brighton.

As you say, it looks like he stayed close to home.

Hi Rich, thats great thank you , guess it looks like i ll need to get an Autosport from 1966 to check out the results....great info thanks...

[David McKinney]

Hi Rich, thats great thank you , guess it looks like i ll need to get an Autosport from 1966 to check out the results....great info thanks...

You'll get more satisfaction if get four
(It was - and is - a weekly)

[pierrefrogeye]

Even better !!! hours of enjoyements...

[pete53]

Hi Rich, thats great thank you , guess it looks like i ll need to get an Autosport from 1966 to check out the results....great info thanks...

Don't bother with the Autosport results for the Brighton Speed Trials. I have a copy and no mention there I am afraid. The original programme would be a better bet.
Pete

[pierrefrogeye]

Just looking a bit more closely to one of the badges that was glued on the bonnet of the car I have noticed that the car had on with Amateur Automobile Racing Club SA (which probably mean South Africa...)....now I am really puzzled as all the raced he made did seem to be in the South of England....South Africa would really be south of England.....

[Tim Murray]

There certainly was an Amateur Automobile Racing Club in South Africa. According to this history of the Killarney circuit it was founded in 1938 and merged with various other clubs in around 1964 to form the Western Province Motor Club.

[pierrefrogeye]

There certainly was an Amateur Automobile Racing Club in South Africa. According to this history of the Killarney circuit it was founded in 1938 and merged with various other clubs in around 1964 to form the Western Province Motor Club.

Hi Tim, great info thank you very much for that...this is strange though as i thought Mr Starley was principally racing in the south of England....looks like he may have straigh away from home or that maybe the AARC went to do some event in the south of England in the 60' ? I ll try to get in touch with them to see if they have some traces of Mr John Starley in their archives or the first Owner D. A. Starkey....as I am going to the Festival of Speed this friday it looks like i will have to find a stall with a few magazines and programmes from the 60' and spend some time there........

[Tim Murray]

....as I am going to the Festival of Speed this friday...

Pierre, if you can, do come and join us at the TNF meeting at 1 pm at the startline bar. It would be good to meet you.

[pierrefrogeye]

Pierre, if you can, do come and join us at the TNF meeting at 1 pm at the startline bar. It would be good to meet you.

Hi Tim

Yes that would be great...not sure exactely at what time we will be about as i am with friends...but will try to nip in and say hello...many thanks again for the time spent looking into my queries...
kind regards

Pierre

Edited by pierrefrogeye, 26 June 2011 - 15:10.

[bradbury west]

I have a John M Starley very near that area on the Electoral Roll 5 years ago
PM me if you want the address
Roger Lund
edit
Ancestry.com has Lionel born in 1917 and died in 2003. A John M is listed as born in Maidenhead in 1944, so not old now. Location not an issue, perhaps, as wartime so evacuated or living at mother's mother's house?
RL

Edited by bradbury west, 27 June 2011 - 13:50.

[pierrefrogeye]

I have a John M Starley very near that area on the Electoral Roll 5 years ago
PM me if you want the address
Roger Lund
edit
Ancestry.com has Lionel born in 1917 and died in 2003. A John M is listed as born in Maidenhead in 1944, so not old now. Location not an issue, perhaps, as wartime so evacuated or living at mother's mother's house?
RL

Hi all,

It looks like that I have sent a few of you onto an erroneous search...I apologise about this. From what i am being told by the Chairman of the Brighton and Hove racing club the car, he remember seeing the car back in the early / mid sixties. It was in fact driven by Lionel Starley and also his son Colin Starley. The name of Colin was rubbed off the bodywork and though i had the right number of letters I though it was John whereas it was probably last driven by Colin....
So apologies ar due....If any of you have some further info I am obvioulsy still intrested and all the above bar the first name remain valid information.

Kind regards

Pierre

Edited by pierrefrogeye, 27 June 2011 - 14:23.

[RAP]

I can confirm that L N Starley ran the garage in Hythe Road Brighton, my wife-to-be lived in the next road and I recall this was a typical small “back-street” workshop of the time. In the 65 Speed Trial programme it advertises
“ Sports car tuning – BMC, TR, Ford a speciality
Proprietor L N Starley
Motor Engineers and Reborers
Any make of new or second hand car supplied
MOT, Electronic Ignition testing, Crypton Carburation Tuning”

From my programmes I have
1964 Brighton Speed Trials
Members Handicap 21 L N Starley Sprite 1198 31.66” – handicap not placed
Sports / GT 1100 70 Sprite 1098 31.01” 2nd
1965
Members Handicap 20 Sprite 1300 33.56” – 23rd on handicap
Sports / GT 1200-1600 98 Sprite 1300 31.35” 7th
1966
Members H’cap 21 Sprite 1300 30.72” 7th on H’cap
Sports/ GT 1100 114 C J Starley Sprite 1098 32.51” 4th
Sports / GT 1100-1600 122 L N Sprite 1300 29.76” 4th
1967
Members H’cap 23 C J Sprite 1098 33.09” 19th on h’cap
23 L N Sprite 1294 30.71” 8th on H,cap
Sports /GT 1100 105 C J 33.20” 8th
Sports / GT 1100-1600 119 L N 30.57” 4th
(Starley Garage also entered R York in a Lotus Elan)
1968
Members Hcap 24 L N Sprite 1300 31.99” 5th on H’cap
Sports / GT 1100-1600 80 L N 30.58” 3rd

[pierrefrogeye]

I can confirm that L N Starley ran the garage in Hythe Road Brighton, my wife-to-be lived in the next road and I recall this was a typical small “back-street” workshop of the time. In the 65 Speed Trial programme it advertises
“ Sports car tuning – BMC, TR, Ford a speciality
Proprietor L N Starley
Motor Engineers and Reborers
Any make of new or second hand car supplied
MOT, Electronic Ignition testing, Crypton Carburation Tuning”

From my programmes I have
1964 Brighton Speed Trials
Members Handicap 21 L N Starley Sprite 1198 31.66” – handicap not placed
Sports / GT 1100 70 Sprite 1098 31.01” 2nd
1965
Members Handicap 20 Sprite 1300 33.56” – 23rd on handicap
Sports / GT 1200-1600 98 Sprite 1300 31.35” 7th
1966
Members H’cap 21 Sprite 1300 30.72” 7th on H’cap
Sports/ GT 1100 114 C J Starley Sprite 1098 32.51” 4th
Sports / GT 1100-1600 122 L N Sprite 1300 29.76” 4th
1967
Members H’cap 23 C J Sprite 1098 33.09” 19th on h’cap
23 L N Sprite 1294 30.71” 8th on H,cap
Sports /GT 1100 105 C J 33.20” 8th
Sports / GT 1100-1600 119 L N 30.57” 4th
(Starley Garage also entered R York in a Lotus Elan)
1968
Members Hcap 24 L N Sprite 1300 31.99” 5th on H’cap
Sports / GT 1100-1600 80 L N 30.58” 3rd

Hi RAP


Many many thanks, this is Top Notch Information....would you have the exact date of the programmes / races by any chance ? , as i have some scrutiners ticket i should be able to link that together therafter...


many many thanks again this is really really great information,


Kind regards


Pierre

[RAP]

Hi RAP


Many many thanks, this is Top Notch Information....would you have the exact date of the programmes / races by any chance ? , as i have some scrutiners ticket i should be able to link that together therafter...


many many thanks again this is really really great information,


Kind regards


Pierre

12 Sept 64
11 Sept 65
17 sept 66
16 sept 67
14 Sept 68

[bradbury west]

....Colin Starley. The name of Colin was rubbed off the bodywork. Pierre

I have a Colin J born in Brighton in 1944 and married there in 2000 to someone with an unusual surname, so perhaps he moved abroad. No deaths listed under his name up to 2005. He is not on the 2003 electoral roll .
RL

[pierrefrogeye]

I have a Colin J born in Brighton in 1944 and married there in 2000 to someone with an unusual surname, so perhaps he moved abroad. No deaths listed under his name up to 2005. He is not on the 2003 electoral roll .
RL

Thank you RL this is clearly Colin J. Starley the driver of the car....

[RAP]

FIRLE HILLCLIMB
31 May 64 BARC GT 1300 68 L N Starley Sprite 1300 31.24” 5th (spun on 2nd run)
4 Oct 64 BARC GT 1300 56 L N Sprite 1300 30.05” 3rd
29 May 66 BARC GT 1300 69 L N Sprite 1300 29.59” 2nd
77 C J Sprite 1098 Mk 1 29.97” 3rd
19 June 66 MGCC Sprites & Midgets 65 C J Sprite 1098 result not known
28 May 67 BARC GT 1000-1300 88 L N Sprite 1300 result not known
89 C J Sprite 1098 dna
17 Sept 67 Bentley DC Cars to 1500cc 56 C J 1098 30.05” 3rd
57 L N 1300cc 29.94” 1st

[pierrefrogeye]

FIRLE HILLCLIMB
31 May 64 BARC GT 1300 68 L N Starley Sprite 1300 31.24” 5th (spun on 2nd run)
4 Oct 64 BARC GT 1300 56 L N Sprite 1300 30.05” 3rd
29 May 66 BARC GT 1300 69 L N Sprite 1300 29.59” 2nd
77 C J Sprite 1098 Mk 1 29.97” 3rd
19 June 66 MGCC Sprites & Midgets 65 C J Sprite 1098 result not known
28 May 67 BARC GT 1000-1300 88 L N Sprite 1300 result not known
89 C J Sprite 1098 dna
17 Sept 67 Bentley DC Cars to 1500cc 56 C J 1098 30.05” 3rd
57 L N 1300cc 29.94” 1st

Hi RAP ...this great info thank you ever so much....I have managed to get in touch with Msr Starley and should see her hopefully this Friday ...but talking to her over the phone it seems that the car was also raced in the European Hillclimb championship at that time...one of the reason from what she told me is that you used to get paid fairly well to go to France and enter your car in those days....so hopefully i ll have much more info his Friday and will post it for the intgerest of everyone...Also apparently the car was purchased from a Colin Paige in Chichester and already had a modified body and aluminium panel then...which would indicate that it was possibly raced prior Starley aquicring the car.....Exciting stuff !!!

thanks again for your help

Edited by pierrefrogeye, 28 June 2011 - 10:20.

[pierrefrogeye]

Hi All...i have spoken to Mrs Starley and it looks like Mr starley was also involved in European Hillclimb championship back in the 60' with some events taking in France (good choice of country i would say...)...also I have been told that he bought the car from a Peige or possibly Paige , page in chichester back in the early sixties (i assume pre-64 as i have a record of one of his race then)> Anyhow the car already had some aluminium panels and was bought without an engine...this lead me to think that the owner prior Mr Starley may have raced the car also. Anyhow I am due to visit mrs Starley next Friday so hopefully i ll get further input to solve the ownership history of the car...thank you to all whom contributed to this post as it has been very usefull in unlocking some of the history behind the car ...it is much appreciated...

Kind regards

Pierre

[garyfrogeye]

Great for me too as I'll be able to get Pierre to write an article for the Midget & Sprite Club's magazine "Mascot" and I'll be sure to make sure that TNF gets a big mention.

[pierrefrogeye]

Great for me too as I'll be able to get Pierre to write an article for the Midget & Sprite Club's magazine "Mascot" and I'll be sure to make sure that TNF gets a big mention.

Hi Gary

Already working on it and quite happy that the deadline is the 13th of July as i will have to get busy on the 14th...


kind regards

Pierre

[pierrefrogeye]

Hi All

First many thanks to all that supported my search so far. I just have received a phone call from John Taylor of the Southsea Motoring Club. He came with an excellent and exciting piece of information. One of the members of the club "Graham" seen the car and is adamant that it was previously own by a Charlie Page of chichester from what we beleive is 1960 to 1964. This clearly tie up with what Msr Starley told me. Her hiusband bought it with the same livery from a Page Garage in Chichester. Aside being the owner of the Page garage in Chichester that subsequently became the Blue Star Garage, Charlie was also actively involved in Sprint, Autotest and Hillclimbs. So I assume he was the one that did most modifications to the car. If anyone has some information on the events Charlie Page took part into or period pictures this would be of a tremdous aded value to my project

Kind regards to all

[Mistron]

IF RAP above isn't Robert Parker, the guy who wrote the history of Goodwood, he's a chap you need to speak to.

If RAP is him, well done, you've found the man who'll know - he was certainly very helpfull with the history of my car and it's time in Susex

Al

[pierrefrogeye]

IF RAP above isn't Robert Parker, the guy who wrote the history of Goodwood, he's a chap you need to speak to.

If RAP is him, well done, you've found the man who'll know - he was certainly very helpfull with the history of my car and it's time in Susex

Al

I totally agree with you, RAP as been very helpful in finding information on Starley's racing, hopefully he may have some knowledge about Page...I am just crossing my fingers and hope that he took part in an event in Goodwood..that would be so great as my dream would be to be on the grid at the revival in a few years....but also being able to found out the full history would be so interesting and helpful in getting the rstoration right.......

[David McKinney]

IF RAP above isn't Robert Parker, the guy who wrote the history of Goodwood, he's a chap you need to speak to.

I doubt if those would be Robert Barker's initials

[Mistron]

I doubt if those would be Robert Barker's initials

you know, you might just be right. you look at the info provided, and your mind makes a 'P' into a 'B'......

Could someone point me to the nearest corner?

[pierrefrogeye]

you know, you might just be right. you look at the info provided, and your mind makes a 'P' into a 'B'......

Could someone point me to the nearest corner?

Hi All

Many thanks for helping me to find out about the car, I have compiled the information into a website and hope it may be of interest to some...

http://www.cyberspot.co.uk


Many thanks again for your help and contributions


Kind regards

Pierre

[bradbury west]

From your website, the diff will probably have 8 pinion teeth to mesh with the 39 on the ring to give a 4.875 to 1 diff ratio, which was relatively standard fitment to ensure good pickup from the corners and optimum use of a high revbving engine. I have not checked my spares in the garage but the other main BMC ones were 3.9, 4.22, & 4.55, the last being the other very popular one for racing. There was also a very low one, 5.175 or some such, from a Morris Minor GPO van, and there is even a very high 3.7 remade nowadaysIIRC.
Roger Lund

[pierrefrogeye]

From your website, the diff will probably have 8 pinion teeth to mesh with the 39 on the ring to give a 4.875 to 1 diff ratio, which was relatively standard fitment to ensure good pickup from the corners and optimum use of a high revbving engine. I have not checked my spares in the garage but the other main BMC ones were 3.9, 4.22, & 4.55, the last being the other very popular one for racing. There was also a very low one, 5.175 or some such, from a Morris Minor GPO van, and there is even a very high 3.7 remade nowadaysIIRC.
Roger Lund

I agree with you Roger, it is likely to be a 4.875 as the car was used mainly for hill climbs...will check it next time I am at the farm gazing at the car....thank you for your comments

Edited by pierrefrogeye, 19 July 2011 - 04:55.

[pierrefrogeye]

From your website, the diff will probably have 8 pinion teeth to mesh with the 39 on the ring to give a 4.875 to 1 diff ratio, which was relatively standard fitment to ensure good pickup from the corners and optimum use of a high revbving engine. I have not checked my spares in the garage but the other main BMC ones were 3.9, 4.22, & 4.55, the last being the other very popular one for racing. There was also a very low one, 5.175 or some such, from a Morris Minor GPO van, and there is even a very high 3.7 remade nowadaysIIRC.
Roger Lund

Hi, yes totally agree with you and it make total sense as the car was used for hill climb and speed trials where torque was quite important. I believe the diff sun and planet gear have been welded which also would be consistent with a torque hungry usage of the car...will try to post some close up of it ..but will be. Away the next couple of weekend so I ll update the website later....many thanks for your comments

[Rupertlt1]

NEW SUSSEX CLUB

We learn from John Brierley of the

formation of a new club to be known

as the Chichester Motoring Club (50

members so far), with H.Q. at the Fleece

Inn, East Street, Chichester

Autosport, 14 December 1951, Page 749

 

See: https://forums.autos...7#entry10472870

 

RGDS RLT

[Rupertlt1]

The founder and first President of the club was G. W. Wuyts:

"a West Wittering garage proprietor and ex-racing car mechanic."

John Brierley designed the new club badge, chosen in a competition.

Does a club badge survive?

 

According to Prince Chula of Thailand G. W. Wuyts was the man who had looked after "Romulus" and "Remus" in 1936 — resigning in June that year. Motor Sport, November 1940, Page 201

A garage was rented in Dalling Road,

Hammersmith, West London, and became

the White Mouse Garage. The two resi-

dent mechanics included ex-ERA span-

nerman G. W. Wuyts who had worked on

Romulus at Dieppe. Russian-born Alex-

ander "Shura" Rahm, a friend who had

fallen on hard times and a been given a live-

in sinecure as Chula's secretary took over

the administration of the White Mouse

team on a full time basis.

Automobile Quarterly, May 2000, Page 69

Wuyts was on Peter Whitehead's pit crew at Donington in 1937.

See also Motor Sport, August 1939, Page 247 ref Rover Ten Special at Motorwork Chalfont Ltd.

Managing Director: G. W. Wuyts.

 

G. W. E. M. Wuyts in the RAF, A/Squadron Leader R.A.F.V.R.

 

In 1950 Wuyts was managing Shore Road Garage, East Wittering, in association with H. E. Swepstone.

 

1951: Fuchsia Cottage, Shore Road, West Wittering

 

1957: Highcombe Cottage, Tilford Road, Farnham

 

1959: Brook Bank, Woodside Road, Farnham

 

Was he working in the Farnham area?

 

Gerard Walter Emile Marie Wuyts 1900–1984

BIRTH 2 JUL 1900 • Antwerpen, Belgium

DEATH 7 JUN 1984 • Norwich, Norfolk, England

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 03 January 2024 - 10:39.

[Rupertlt1]

1962

20th-21st October Chichester M.C. Trentham

200 Rally. Starts Farnham Lane Garage,

Haslemere, Surrey (M.R. 181/892329), at

9.30 p.m.

Chichester M.C. Trentham

"200" is open to members of the Association

of Central Southern Motor Clubs. The 220-

mile route commences at Haslemere. Regs.

from Mrs. F. J. Hewitt, 151 Broyle Road,

Chichester, Sussex.

 

1963

Chichester Motoring Club

TRENTHAM "200"

RALLY 30th Nov./1st Dec.

ACSMC Qualifying Event

" Don't miss this year's

Tremendous Trentham"

Best in the South

Regs. from: VALERIE DAVISON

BLUE STAR GARAGES

NORTHGATE CHICHESTER

Autosport, 8 November 1963, Page 661

Chichester M.C. Trentham Rally, Starts

Bordon Motors, Bordon, Hants, at 11 p.m.

 

Tony Maslen winner Trentham 200, January 1967.

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 03 January 2024 - 12:23.

[Rupertlt1]

Brighton Speed Trials, 1960

#121 C. L. R. Page, Austin Healey Sprite

 

Southsea Motor Club's Autosport, 1 October 1961

Clarence Pier car park

Southsea Motors Challenge Trophy

(best performance by a Southsea Motor

Club Member). — C. Page, Sprite

Hampshire Telegraph, Friday 6 October 1961, Page 9

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 03 January 2024 - 14:18.

[Rupertlt1]

Chichester M.C. had three drivers on the 1962 R.A.C. Rally:

#81 DKW, Ken Piper, Tony Yoward, DNF motor

"Tony Yoward co-driving Ken Piper in the ex-Leo Cruttenden works

"Deek" but they suffered a seized engine first night

out from Blackpool. Still undaunted, Tony returned

home for his own car and went to Wales to assist with

the organising of the support teams for the Peugeots." 

#131 Peugeot 403, John Barnes/Mike Ford

"53rd overall and 4th in their class.

Also third place in the Private Team entries."

CROSSCHAT, Chichester Motoring Club, December 1962

 

On Staindale:

Ken Piper/T. Yoward (DKW) were seen deep in the

woods with no lights working on the car,

but have been seen since.

Autosport, 16 November 1962, Page 687

 

For an updated entry list here go here.

 

J. F. Barnes was Chairman of the Chichester Motoring Club in 1963, address St. Andrews, Chichester Road, Selsey.

6th on The RAC Rally in 1968 in #33 Peugeot 204, 1.1-litre, RME 547F, with Tony Pettie:

https://www.motorspo...lly/1018419095/

Motor Sport says 8th?

What awards did they win? Was this a private entry?

J. F. Barnes operated the Paddock Lane Caravan Camp, Selsey.

His father was M. F. Barnes "a well known racing motorist."

Was he the same man hillclimbing in a Lotus and Elva? Answer: Yes.

 

1960 RAC Rally in a Turner 950S, registration 6565 PO: http://www.turnerspo..._photos271.html

John Barnes/John Gates of Fishbourne or was it Mr. R. C. Clear?, DNF, retired in Scotland, front suspension

 

1961 RAC Rally no entry for John Barnes. But Barnes was seen on the Scottish Rally that year in the Turner.

 

1962 RAC Rally #131 Peugeot 403, John Barnes/Mike Ford, 53rd overall

"Three Peugeots were also entered-privately but with some works help in preparation-and all three finished. The only mechanical failure reported on any one of them was a speedometer cable which failed on the 403."

 

1963 RAC Rally #172 Peugeot 404, J. F. Barnes/M. Ford

 

1964 RAC Rally #137 Peugeot, John Barnes/Tony Pettie, Class 6.

 

1965 RAC Rally #107 Peugeot 404, registration EBP 678C, John Barnes/Tony Pettie, Class 6.

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 17 January 2024 - 20:03.

[RS2000]

The 68 RAC will be forever plagued by results/reporting confusion. After the massed Group 5/6 entry for the cancelled 67 event, the 68 entry was (forcibly by the FIA?) limited to homologated cars but a separate event for Gp5/6 was run in parallel over the same stages ahead of the RAC proper. On stage times for both events combined, you get different results from the two events separately. 

[Rupertlt1]

Chichester Motoring Club

Presents the

"Chichester Chicanery" Driving Tests

An A.C.S.M.C. Championship Qualifying Event

SUNDAY, 17th JULY, 1964

The Chichester Chicanery held

at Tangmere on Sunday was

voted the best event of its kind

the club has held. There were

52 entries, and in spite of poor

weather the programme ran

perfectly.

There were nine tests and in

the first 25 minutes 49 cars com-

pleted them. Fastest time of

the day went to Doug Worgan in

a special.

The much-modified Sprite

owned by ex-Chairman Charles

Page, who left for South Africa

recently, won two awards.

Valerie Davison carried off the

ladies award in it, and Peter

Musgrave, who also drove a

Cortina, won the president's

trophy with it for the most out-

standing effort by a Chichester

member.

The team award went to the

M.G. Car Club team of Ron

Randall, Norman Dunton and

John Calton. The private team

award was won by a team made

up of Ron Randall, Doug

Worgan, and Norman Dunton.

The meeting ended with a

"dice" for a prize made up of

shillings subscribed by each of

the 29 competitors. Peter Mus-

grave added yet another success

for the Sprite by winning the

open car section.

Chichester Observer, Friday 17 July 1964, Page 10.

The event was held at R.A.F. Tangmere "by kind permission of the Officer Commanding."

 

1964:

"Following the departure of

Valerie Davison to South Africa

in September competition in the

women's section is as wide open

as ever."

 

This sheds light on the South African connection to the Austin Healey Sprite, 2080 PO.

The Chichester Observer had regular reports on the activities of the Chichester Motoring Club. 

 

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1963

Chichester Motoring Club

TRENTHAM "200"

RALLY 30th Nov./1st Dec.

ACSMC Qualifying Event

" Don't miss this year's

Tremendous Trentham"

Best in the South

Regs. from: VALERIE DAVISON

BLUE STAR GARAGES

NORTHGATE CHICHESTER

Autosport, 8 November 1963, Page 661

Chichester M.C. Trentham Rally, Starts

Bordon Motors, Bordon, Hants, at 11 p.m.

CHICHESTER MOTORING CLUB

Tomorrow's Trentham "200"

has attracted a record entry

of 69, which includes the top

crews in the South of England.

The crew which is practically

certain to win this year's Associa-

tion of Central Southern Motor

Club's championship, Doug Ray/

Stuart Gray, will be among the

foremost contenders.

John Dorton/Martin Holmes

from Vickers Armstrong (Wey-

bridge) should present strong

opposition, not to mention Sydney

Allard and his navigator Tom

Fisk.

Sir Peter Moon, the B.M.C.

works driver, will compete, but

not in a works car. His navigator

will be Ian Cameron.

Among the many clubs repre-

sented in the Trentham will be

the Sporting Volkswagen Club

(Peter Noad/Mike Hayward).

Desparate efforts last week to

recruit the army of marshals

needed to man the control points

were successful — but only just.

Friday's social run was called

off so that everyone available

could attend a marshal's meeting

at the Richmond Arms, Water-

beach.

Chichester Observer, Friday 29 November 1963, Page 10.

 

CHICHESTER MOTORING CLUB

For the third successive year,

the club scored an outstanding

success with the Trentham "200"

rally.

Held on Saturday night and

Sunday morning, the Trentham

was as tough as its predecessor.

It maintained the rally's "un-

beaten record" —unbeaten in the

sense that no one has ever got

through with a clean sheet.

Cliff Turk who mapped out

the route made the first half

easy so that the novices would

at least reach the supper stop.

The second half was much stiffer.

The Trentham attracted a

record entry of 69 from all over the

south of England. But it was a

Chichester crew which topped the

provisional results. John Barnes

former chairman of the club, and

his navigator, Tony Pettie.

OTHER PLACES

Provisional second were Chris

Lovell/Roger Hedley of Sussex

Car Club whose "lateness"

times were 7min. 25secs.

Well behind in provisional

third position were Jon Otton/

Tony Weaver, of B.A.R.C. whose

times were 10min. 10sec.

The crew which might have been

expected to win, Doug Ray/

Stuart Gray, finished provisional

fourth with 10min. 22sec. This

crew has won a vast number of

South Coast rallies, and will

almost certainly win this year's

Association of Central Southern

Motor Clubs championship.

Provisional fifth were Morris

Reeves/Graham Lake, of Seven-

oaks, Kent.

There was a protest over the

provisional results, from Peter

Noad, who finished 19th. Pro-

visionally in spite of the excellent

times of 6min. 16sec.

Peter Noad a member of the

Sporting Volkswagen Club, was

penalized one "fail" for allegedly

missing a control.

He maintained that he passed

through the control and his pro-

test was later discussed by the

club committee.

ORGANIZATION PRAISED

The cars which reached the

supper stop "clean" were the

first five competitors in the pro-

visional results plus Garth

Powell/Bob Knowles, of Little-

hampton, who finished ninth,

John Church/John Mace of East-

bourne, and Mike Bannerman/

Peter Hewitt of Bognor, whose

excellent times of 7min. 21sec.

would have earned them second

place if they had not missed a

control.

After the rally there was con-

siderable praise for the organiza-

tion, and particularly the clearly-

set out "brief" given to all

crews.

Chichester Observer, Friday 6 December 1963, Page 12.

 

Mike Ford and his wife

Shirley, are to emigrate to

Australia shortly. They run a

poultry farm at Heyshott. Mike

Ford was the clerk of the course

for the last Trentham 200 rally.

Chichester Observer, Friday 24 July 1964, Page 13

 

Has anybody got 'proper' results for this rally including the cars? Autosport? Motoring News? 

 

RGDS RLT.

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