weareracing, on Mar 19 2012, 22:37, said:
They did the best they could with limited running.HRT drivers score 6?
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:46
KateLM, on Mar 19 2012, 22:31, said:
I'm not sure what 6 for the HRT drivers is based on either, other than an arbitrary figure because the car was so bad that there no point in analysing how the drivers did.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:50
Posted 19 March 2012 - 22:57
hhg1, on Mar 20 2012, 07:42, said:
Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?Autosport Editor Edd Straw rates the overall performance of every driver on the grid. Here, we can keep track of the overall ratings and debate their accuracy.
Australian Grand Prix
Button 10
Alonso 9
Vettel 8
Schumacher 8
Ricciardo 8
Vergne 8
Hamilton 7
Webber 7
Kobayashi 7
Raikkonen 7
Perez 7
Maldonado 7
Glock 7
Grosjean 7
Hulkenberg 7
Pic 7
Di Resta 6
Kovalainen 6
de la Rosa 6
Karthikeyan 6
Rosberg 5
Petrov 5
Massa 4
Senna 4
Thoughts?
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:08
Kubiccia, on Mar 19 2012, 23:00, said:
those are very subjective claims
Anyway, why people keep saying Rosberg made 2 mistakes in Q3? I only saw a single, rather small, one in his last attempt, for the braking of T3.
People just seems bitter because Nico was 3 and a half tenths slower than his hated(by most) team mate.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:14
discover23, on Mar 19 2012, 22:22, said:
Alonso made a mistake in qualifying but if you really think about that didn't impact his result in this race. He he a great start and an extra set of new tires that kept him in the game until the end. If he would have made it to Q3 most likely he would've qualified somewhere between P7-P10 with both mclaren and redbull still in front.
Given the pace of the Ferrari compared to the other teams finishing P5 was the best result possible for Alonso.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:14
Edited by Sakae, 19 March 2012 - 23:15.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:17
Mr j, on Mar 19 2012, 18:08, said:
No, those are not subjective claims. Alonsos natural speed is not as good as some drivers in the series, like Hamiltons, and that is why he throws those hizzy fits when he¨s not superiour.
When are people going to realized that while Alonso is a great driver, with great consistency and with an ability to gather a team around him he¨s not as fast as the top drives.
Has anyone considered that the reason Ferrari isn¨t a top contender anymore is because Alonso is so focused on beating his teammate, due to the beating he got from Hamilton, that his main goal is to develop the car in his liking eventhough it means not winning championships as long as he beats his teammate, Massa, which is good for his reputation.
His reputation is on an all time high, and the word is that it¨s that the car is the reason why he's not winning, but there's a breaking point when Ferrari will not accept of beeing scapegoats because their driver is not able to win the championship, eventhough they do everything for him and with the money he brings.
Patience is a virtue but in the relationship of Alonso and Ferrari it's running short even with the millions that Santander is bringing. Ferrari wants a driver who can win them championships but is Alonso the right man, time is running out.
Ferrari is the team with the most resources, the team with the history of winning the most and now with the best driver? But why aren¨t they winning? Why are they going backwards?
An Alonso effect? This team has all it takes to be the best, and with best driver for three years now why are they getting worse? And why is Massa getting so bad that he looks like he¨s the worst driver in F1?
Something is rotten in the state of Maranello?
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:23
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:28
Mr j, on Mar 19 2012, 20:08, said:
dude, you..... nevermindNo, those are not subjective claims. Alonsos natural speed is not as good as some drivers in the series, like Hamiltons, and that is why he throws those hizzy fits when he¨s not superiour.
When are people going to realized that while Alonso is a great driver, with great consistency and with an ability to gather a team around him he¨s not as fast as the top drives.
Has anyone considered that the reason Ferrari isn¨t a top contender anymore is because Alonso is so focused on beating his teammate, due to the beating he got from Hamilton, that his main goal is to develop the car in his liking eventhough it means not winning championships as long as he beats his teammate, Massa, which is good for his reputation.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 23:49
Supersleeper, on Mar 19 2012, 22:57, said:
Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?
Hamilton got a 7 for starting on the side of the track that (strangely) had less grip and got nabbed (probably) by a safety car?
Kobayashi flogs it all weekend (in a SAUBER _ A FRIKKKKENNNNNNN SAUBER Ed) finishes 6th (in a SAUBER Ed - a Fricken SAUBER!) and gets a 7 a 7? a frikken 7 ????? - are you on drugs Ed?
Maldonado runs off track twice - once over some friendly grass - once into an unfriendly wall and gets a 7 ------ the same score as Kamui (driving a Sauber in case you've forgotten - who finished in 6th place) - meanwhile Pastor has cost Williams a massive amount of points (more than they scored all of last season!!!) and will keep the mechanics up all night for the rest of this week. Hopefully they all find some comfort - in something other than a pillow - which they won't see for the next week and a half - now that Ed has given Pastor a 7.....
Gosjean out practiced and out qualified his vastly more experienced teammate and got a 7 - had he not been punted by Pastor (the guy who also managed a 7......) he would have scored better. Maybe Ed added Pastor and Romains scores together and divided by 2 - though given the ratings I'm not entirely sure Ed could divide anything by 2...
Di Resta - picked up points (in a Sahara shitbox) - scored a 6 - well....
Massa - 4? - Was a non participant all weekend. 1 would have been kind.
Ed doesn't watch these races - not sure why he gets to rate them.
I want Ed to pick a gate attendant at random to rate the next race. We'd all like to see results closer to the facts of the matter.
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Dunder, on Mar 20 2012, 10:49, said:
Yeah - that was a guess - looks like I'm wrong - nothing new there.The problem with Schumacher's transmission happened in the braking zone according to him and Mercedes.
Dunder, on Mar 20 2012, 10:49, said:
I thought that Grosjean left about as much room as possible and Pastor just went on with it too much - he got the move done - the last bit was a little bit GP2 for my liking.Broadly agree with the rest of your comments albeit, I 'blame' Grosjean more than Maldanado for that collision.
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mursuka80, on Mar 19 2012, 21:49, said:
9 for Alonso is too low.9 for Alonso is too high. Perez and Raikkonen made more places in race and plus he screwed up the qualy.
Edited by SirRacer, 20 March 2012 - 03:54.
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bourbon, on Mar 20 2012, 00:09, said:
How easily those 10's spill out when Button wins. Vettel had to pull teeth to get a 9, let alone a 10 when he wona GP - and they had 11 opportunities to mess it up, which they did almost every time. I lost faith in this rating stuff last year and evidence after one race simply refuels my belief. The only valid rating is the WDC standings table making sense in showing that Jenson merited the highest on the weekend, Vettel second, Third to Hamilton and so forth - Alonso did nothing whatsoever to merit 9 - he quallied into the gravel and managed 12 to 5 - not even as great a progress as Raikkonen and Perez put him to shame. Whoever presides over this rating system should be fired.
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bourbon, on Mar 20 2012, 09:09, said:
Perez was beaten by kobayashi and raikkonen qualified lower and finished lower than alonso in a far better car.Just as vettel fanboys made webber the yardstick of the rb7 last year,massa could be taken as the yardstick for the F2012's competitiveness.How easily those 10's spill out when Button wins. Vettel had to pull teeth to get a 9, let alone a 10 when he wona GP - and they had 11 opportunities to mess it up, which they did almost every time. I lost faith in this rating stuff last year and evidence after one race simply refuels my belief. The only valid rating is the WDC standings table making sense in showing that Jenson merited the highest on the weekend, Vettel second, Third to Hamilton and so forth - Alonso did nothing whatsoever to merit 9 - he quallied into the gravel and managed 12 to 5 - not even as great a progress as Raikkonen and Perez put him to shame. Whoever presides over this rating system should be fired.
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Dunder, on Mar 20 2012, 00:23, said:
Judging from onboard, the incident was not his fault. Rosberg had back luck with the SC, but got up to P6 before he retired in the last lap of the GP.Rosberg's rating is fair IMHO. He fluffed Q3, allowed himself to be overtaken on the outside (notwithstanding it was very good move from Vettel) and got involved in a incident at the end which cost him the few points he was set to salvage.
Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:25
wepmob2000, on Mar 20 2012, 05:59, said:
Button 10 (10 since he drove a perfect race)
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Vettel 8 (6 since he did nothing special in quali and gained positions through luck - safety car, Schumachers retirement)
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:33
wepmob2000, on Mar 20 2012, 05:59, said:
I would either correct or leave untouched some of the ratings as follows......
Button 10 (10 since he drove a perfect race)
Alonso 9 (6 because he fluffed quali completely and with Massa as a team-mate there's no real yardstick of how good the car is....)
Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:20
Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:32
mursuka80, on Mar 19 2012, 16:49, said:
Agree. 9 for a driver who screws up in qualifying, and has a car that manages to keep a RedBull at bay during the second stint, while matching Vettel's times (according to the BBC) is probably a bit too generous... 7-6, in my opinion, are a more accurate description of his race.9 for Alonso is too high.
Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:34
Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:48
Supersleeper, on Mar 19 2012, 23:57, said:
Schumacher ran off track and destroyed the drive in the car - got an 8 essentially for causing a DNF?
Hamilton got a 7 for starting on the side of the track that (strangely) had less grip and got nabbed (probably) by a safety car?
Kobayashi flogs it all weekend (in a SAUBER _ A FRIKKKKENNNNNNN SAUBER Ed) finishes 6th (in a SAUBER Ed - a Fricken SAUBER!) and gets a 7 a 7? a frikken 7 ????? - are you on drugs Ed?
Maldonado runs off track twice - once over some friendly grass - once into an unfriendly wall and gets a 7 ------ the same score as Kamui (driving a Sauber in case you've forgotten - who finished in 6th place) - meanwhile Pastor has cost Williams a massive amount of points (more than they scored all of last season!!!) and will keep the mechanics up all night for the rest of this week. Hopefully they all find some comfort - in something other than a pillow - which they won't see for the next week and a half - now that Ed has given Pastor a 7.....
Gosjean out practiced and out qualified his vastly more experienced teammate and got a 7 - had he not been punted by Pastor (the guy who also managed a 7......) he would have scored better. Maybe Ed added Pastor and Romains scores together and divided by 2 - though given the ratings I'm not entirely sure Ed could divide anything by 2...
Di Resta - picked up points (in a Sahara shitbox) - scored a 6 - well....
Massa - 4? - Was a non participant all weekend. 1 would have been kind.
Ed doesn't watch these races - not sure why he gets to rate them.
I want Ed to pick a gate attendant at random to rate the next race. We'd all like to see results closer to the facts of the matter.
Edited by TheBunk, 20 March 2012 - 10:48.
Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:01
apoka, on Mar 20 2012, 06:22, said:
Judging from onboard, the incident was not his fault. Rosberg had back luck with the SC, but got up to P6 before he retired in the last lap of the GP.
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kosmos, on Mar 20 2012, 06:33, said:
So Alonso performance in quali is relevant to your score but not Buttons. Double standard.
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Posted 20 March 2012 - 16:31
Buttoneer, on Mar 19 2012, 21:48, said:
Do a search and find out for sure.
http://forums.autosp...howtopic=149890
He got 9 for Australia 2011 which is what I think Button's performance for the last weekend deserved.
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Dunder, on Mar 20 2012, 07:23, said:
Rosberg's rating is fair IMHO. He fluffed Q3, allowed himself to be overtaken on the outside (notwithstanding it was very good move from Vettel) and got involved in a incident at the end which cost him the few points he was set to salvage.
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TheBunk, on Mar 19 2012, 23:04, said:
Massa 4? For what? 0 would have been more appropriate.
Edited by Man of the race, 21 March 2012 - 07:07.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 07:55
H2H, on Mar 20 2012, 13:20, said:
I guess the problem here is consistency, between the drivers and across the races.
Some already pointed it out but let us just repeat the first example:
Last year Seb dominated his teammate in Q3 and drove a dominating race in the dominant car to a perfect victory, getting a 9.
This year Jenson struggled in Q3, not putting the dominant car on pole, drove a dominant race in a dominant car, getting a 10.
The proper votes seem to be exactly the other way around.
If you look at the overall performances of three drivers Jenson, Fernando and Seb they all did not do a good in Qualifying, with Fernando doing of course worse by ending in the gravel. However all drove a great race, making up positions and beating their teammates clearly. It is very difficult to argue for a 10,9,8 split between them. 9,9,8 are if you are generous with Fernando and harsh with Seb closer to the mark albeight 9,8,8 would be more fitting.