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[Owen]

A thread to share information on McLaren's 2016 F1 challenger; the McLaren Honda MP4-31.

 

'New McLaren already ahead of 2015 car'

http://en.f1i.com/ne...-2015-car.html#

[Tenmantaylor]

And they know that based on the simulations that said the 2015 car was good?

 

[Marklar]

'New McLaren already ahead of 2015 car'

Anything less would be shocking

[Maustinsj]

I hope they checked the suspension first.

[omgwtf]

Cue Ron and his face palm pre-season predictions for the year     

[ERICTOPF1]

Remember when they where saing that the mp4-28 was already 1 sec faster than the mp4-27 during the winter?

 

Well let's hope they are right this time.

 

Truth is it will be very hard to make mp4-31 slower than the mp4-30.

 

Anyway, glad that Owen started the mp4-31 thread!

 

Good luck to all of us #mclarenbelievers for 2016!!

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Thank you for the new thread. I am already looking forward to February tests. No matter how competitive we are going to be, I will do my best to cheer this thread up 

 

Edited by RYARLE, 09 December 2015 - 13:23.

[blacky]

I would be more interested in, looking at the discussion in f1technical board, where Honda will place the new compressor. Arai says it will be about the same size as Mercedes, so as far as I understand this, there is not enough room to place it again within the Vee of the engine. So there has to be a radical redesign.

[chhatra]

Finally!

[messy]

Do feel that the MP4-30 wasn't a bad chassis at all, they really need Honda to up their game. 

[CPR]

I would be more interested in, looking at the discussion in f1technical board, where Honda will place the new compressor. Arai says it will be about the same size as Mercedes, so as far as I understand this, there is not enough room to place it again within the Vee of the engine. So there has to be a radical redesign.

 

Where did he say that? (First I've heard of it, I think)

[f1rules]

auuchh this statement and wording bring back bad memories         mclaren why on earth publish like this again

Edited by f1rules, 09 December 2015 - 14:18.

[Quickshifter]

Thanks for starting this thread.

All the ground work for next year'power unit started as soon as they realized the issues were not fixable through the season. With 32 tokens and flexibility of utilizing them through the season things should be a lot better come Australian Grandprix

[kosmos]

McLaren Formula 1 - McLaren-Honda and Jenson Button renew partnership with Santander

 

http://www.mclaren.c...paign=santander

[Marklar]

At least one sponsor which is not leaving...

[Disgrace]

I didn't start this thread. Jus' sayin'.

[Imateria]

So much scepticism, the 30 wasn't that bad of a car chassis wise. They definitely need Honda to step up a lot this year though or it wont matter how good the chassis is, again.

[mp4x]

I didn't start this thread. Jus' sayin'.

I'm really glad you didn't.

[FPV GTHO]

Last season Renault used 20/32 tokens, Ferrari 22/32 and Mercedes 25/32 of available tokens preseason. I wonder if Honda will have any left over for in season development if they're planning on making big changes.

[chhatra]

Cue Ron and his face palm pre-season predictions for the year

McLaren's correlation between sim and track has been a lot better this year.

In 2012 they never really understood why the car was quick.

Anyway as many have pointed out it it will have to be quicker than the MP4-30, as the benchmark is so low.

Alonso said 2.5 seconds is needed to beat Mercedes. I think 2 seconds is realistically achievable and with some crazy races that could be enough to win ala Ferrari 2015 or RB 2014.

[Marklar]

Last season Renault used 20/32 tokens, Ferrari 22/32 and Mercedes 25/32 of available tokens preseason. I wonder if Honda will have any left over for in season development if they're planning on making big changes.

Due to the wastegate regulation changes McLaren has saved some tokens which would have been spend there. Furthermore their biggest issues are just demanding each a few tokens. I'm pretty sure that Honda will have a few left after the winter.

[bogi]

They can redesign engine two times with 32 tokens.

[UraNage]

I'm really glad you didn't.

[bogi]

I didn't start this thread. Jus' sayin'.

 

[DrFurby]

Would be interesting to know if they are developing the aeorydinamics for a full-power PU or if they are making a comprimise design again 

[chhatra]

Would be interesting to know if they are developing the aeorydinamics for a full-power PU or if they are making a comprimise design again

One would seriously hope they have learnt from all the pain this year and are going for maximum power.

This is a power formula after all.

[Denaris]

I look forward to 2016. I wonder what "gimmick-that-doesn't-work" the muppets at MTC will come up with next. R.I.P. mosquito nose, Inwash front wing, F-Duct, octo exhaust, U-shaped side pods, butterfly rear suspension, size zero rear end.... Have I missed any? 

Edited by Denaris, 09 December 2015 - 19:51.

[MirNyet]

I would be more interested in, looking at the discussion in f1technical board, where Honda will place the new compressor. Arai says it will be about the same size as Mercedes, so as far as I understand this, there is not enough room to place it again within the Vee of the engine. So there has to be a radical redesign.

 

The shaft connecting the Compressor to the Turbo and housing the MGU-H can sit within the 'V' But the housing for the Compressor and Turbo will bookend the engine block.

[chhatra]

I look forward to 2016. I wonder what "gimmick-that-doesn't-work" the muppets at MTC will come up with next. R.I.P. mosquito nose, Inwash front wing, F-Duct, octo exhaust, U-shaped side pods, butterfly rear suspension, size zero rear end.... Have I missed any?

I don't think they are chasing crazy innovations these days. 2015 brought about a new philosophy.

They want efficient downforce. I think people need to forget the pre-2015 McLaren, they really are a new team, one which is embarking on a new chapter.

2015 was just the start.

[chhatra]

I think Honda should lure Repsol in as a title/technical partner. They have had years of experience in MotoGP, and having a star Spanish driver must be attractive too.

I don't think Mobil1 are doing as much for Honda as Shell or Mercedes are doing for their respective teams.

[Denaris]

I don't think they are chasing crazy innovations these days. 2015 brought about a new philosophy.

They want efficient downforce. I think people need to forget the pre-2015 McLaren, they really are a new team, one which is embarking on a new chapter.

2015 was just the start.

Well, let's hope so! But I'll reserve judgement until the 3rd race just to be sure

[chhatra]

Well, let's hope so! But I'll reserve judgement until the 3rd race just to be sure

That sounds about the right time to establish how the season will fare.

Although we still need to remember that most teams take 2-3 years to find their feet.

Red Bull started in 05 and won their first race in 09. Mercedes started in 2010 and won in China 2012.

Edited by chhatra, 10 December 2015 - 10:50.

[blacky]

Where did he say that? (First I've heard of it, I think)

 

BBC article:

 

 

But the compressor size will increase to aid this quest for efficiency - Arai predicts that the 2016 Honda compressor will be "probably about the same size more or less as Mercedes", while adding that he does not know in what ways Mercedes will change its design.

[Guizotia]

I look forward to 2016. I wonder what "gimmick-that-doesn't-work" the muppets at MTC will come up with next. R.I.P. mosquito nose, Inwash front wing, F-Duct, octo exhaust, U-shaped side pods, butterfly rear suspension, size zero rear end.... Have I missed any? 

 

Blasphemy!

[Owen]

Size zero philosophy carries over to next year. 

[BillBald]

The shaft connecting the Compressor to the Turbo and housing the MGU-H can sit within the 'V' But the housing for the Compressor and Turbo will bookend the engine block.

 

My understanding is that it's no easy matter to engineer such a long shaft, which has to rotate at such a high speed.

[Owen]

Bit on prospects for next year, but it's behind the pay wall.

http://plus.autospor...0524.1402914205

[Nathan]

 

I don't think Mobil1 are doing as much for Honda as Shell or Mercedes are doing for their respective teams.

Based on?

[chhatra]

Based on?

Based on 0 information about it. Maybe they are doing a lot and not making a song and dance about it like Shell/Petronas.

Maybe they are waiting for the package to be fully working before they concentrate more on the oil aspect.

[Lotus53B]

I didn't start this thread. Jus' sayin'.

So I won't do my usual double take of "McLaren MP4-31, a disgrace" ...

 

Here's hoping it isn't!

[Cosworth-Daz]

I grew up supporting Mclaren... however, when LH left to Mercedes... so did my support. 
Really hoping the new car puts the team into a solid 3rd or 4th which i think is realistic providing Honda get it right, and Mclaren dont screw up what seemed to be a good car(minus pu) this year,

[FPV GTHO]

Based on 0 information about it. Maybe they are doing a lot and not making a song and dance about it like Shell/Petronas.

Maybe they are waiting for the package to be fully working before they concentrate more on the oil aspect.

Fuel and oil is a moving target, there is no "waiting"

[CoolBreeze]

Again shooting off their mouth...seems like nothing has changed ;)

[Marklar]

So I won't do my usual double take of "McLaren MP4-31, a disgrace" ...

Here's hoping it isn't!

Last year he also didnt started the 1st McLaren thread, didnt he?

[KinkyMasta]

I think Honda should lure Repsol in as a title/technical partner. They have had years of experience in MotoGP, and having a star Spanish driver must be attractive too.

I don't think Mobil1 are doing as much for Honda as Shell or Mercedes are doing for their respective teams.

 

Repsol? I'd really like it, but I don't think it would work. F1 in Spain will be only available on Pay Per View from next year on and audiences are going down.

 

MotoGP is a better business for them.

[Marklar]

I grew up supporting Mclaren... however, when LH left to Mercedes... so did my support.

Well, then you never really supported McLaren ;)

(At least in the late stages)

Edited by Marklar, 11 December 2015 - 08:54.

[LuckyStrike1]

It looks quick 

[Owen]

McLaren hints at imminent staffing boost
http://www.motorspor...staffing-boost/

[CPR]

BBC article:

Ah that. Thanks. I have vague memory of reading that before. I think I found it odd because he's never said anything similar before, I think. Well, we can only wait and see.

For reference, here's URL to the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/34722698
 

Incidentally, there's some detailed pics and analysis of the Merc PU here:

http://en.f1i.com/ma...power-unit.html

 

Can't even see the compressor itself in those pics and it'll probably be the case next year including for Honda so might be hard to actually try to compare the sizes.

[Snowie]

MP 4-31 = 3+1=4 MP4/4

 

Insane theory but worked with the RB10 )

 

#beliveinMcLaren