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[Myrvold]

GiorgioF1, on 12 May 2018 - 17:54, said:

Well not shining against Ericsson who was 10kg heavier had something to do with that too i guess. Had he shown something close to what Leclerc is showing right now he would still be in F1.

He could've beaten Ericsson 20-0 and it wouldn't mattered. The Alfa deal would always bring in a Ferrari jr. And the fact that the Sauber owners also have backed Ericssons career makes him safe. There just was no room for anyone outside Ferrari/Longbow.

[cravenciak]

Vergne - he was dumped for a reason, not to mention how he questioned Red Bull's decision with hiring Hartley.

Kobayashi - Ye bring Toyota works driver to STR Honda   

Stevens, Palmer, Nasr - I will consider it as a joke

Giovinazzi - Not likely as he's linked to Ferrari. He'll probably replace Ericsson next year...

[tghik]

StanBarrett2, on 12 May 2018 - 19:29, said:

he was 'b*tch' in DTM !!

what exactly did he do ?

[StanBarrett2]

tghik, on 12 May 2018 - 20:35, said:

what exactly did he do ?

you never heard him yapping over the board radio ?

[MustangSally]

Isn't Stroll Senior looking for a better seat for Lance than Williams? Apparently he pays cash on the nail.

[statman]

AMUS:

 

In Barcelona, ​​a rumor haunted the paddock.Pascal Wehrlein should replace the luckless Brendon Hartley with Toro Rosso already from the GP Canada. We asked Red Bull Motorsport Director Helmut Marko. First, the Grazer wanted to know from which corner the rumors are coming, then he answered: "That's not the intention at the moment." Interesting is the addition "at the moment". A real denial sounds different. We hear from Mercedes that Wehrlein would receive a release from the DTM if there were a Formula One offer.

[Ricardo F1]

Wehrlein is still a Merc driver right even if he gets released from DTM . . . sounds a bit odd to go to Red Bull Jnr, but Toto has said he'd be supportive and I guess they'd just likely drop him as he has no chance at a Merc seat.

Edited by Ricardo F1, 16 May 2018 - 17:48.

[Ricardo F1]

MustangSally, on 14 May 2018 - 20:11, said:

Isn't Stroll Senior looking for a better seat for Lance than Williams? Apparently he pays cash on the nail.

Surely only Williams, well and maybe Sauber, are desperately enough to take a driver purely for cash?

[William Hunt]

Hartley was twice ahead of Gasly in Monaco today, although it was just in free practice sessions

[TF110]

William Hunt, on 24 May 2018 - 16:04, said:

Hartley was twice ahead of Gasly in Monaco today, although it was just in free practice sessions

Maybe he's on that "put up or shut up" clause?  He needs to deliver, and now.

[FirstnameLastname]

Hartley through and Gasly out so far. Hoping that Hartley gets through to Q3

[NotSoSilentBob]

Nice job by Hartley but should have made Q3 really, the car clearly has the speed.

[thegamer23]

NotSoSilentBob, on 09 Jun 2018 - 18:45, said:

Nice job by Hartley but should have made Q3 really, the car clearly has the speed.

Not like Monaco, for sure.

Gasly has been 10th in FP1 only, after that always on the backfoot.
In Monaco both him & Hartley were challenging top 5 in all the practice sessions, the car was clearly more competitive there

Edited by thegamer23, 09 June 2018 - 18:51.

[Prelude]

The best race for Hartley so far?

Since that Bahrain race Gasly hasn't managed to deliver in the races. He looked like an amateur today.

When I saw GAS, LEC, ALO pit just after the first drops I said, it's game over for them. In that situation (more dry than wet) you always wait. Follow the leaders. I laughed so hard

 

Hartley wisely waited, and as a result was rewarded with a point

[goldenboy]

Congrats to Hartley, good job.

[messy]

I'll be delighted if Hartley continues to do stuff like that. He was written off so quickly. He still desperately, desperately needs a headline result like Gasly managed in Bahrain, but I honestly think Gasly has had two good weekends in his F1 career so far, Bahrain and Monaco this year. 4th, 7th, 18 points. The rest of the time he's not done much at all. That is the only difference between the two in my eyes.

[Lights]

Prelude, on 22 Jul 2018 - 15:18, said:

When I saw GAS, LEC, ALO pit just after the first drops I said, it's game over for them. In that situation (more dry than wet) you always wait. Follow the leaders. I laughed so hard

 

Hartley wisely waited, and as a result was rewarded with a point

 

The worst of it all was, GAS was the only one going to full wets. Full wets! No driver should agree on that in these circumstances, even if the team suggests it.

[Lights]

messy, on 22 Jul 2018 - 18:50, said:

I'll be delighted if Hartley continues to do stuff like that. He was written off so quickly. He still desperately, desperately needs a headline result like Gasly managed in Bahrain, but I honestly think Gasly has had two good weekends in his F1 career so far, Bahrain and Monaco this year. 4th, 7th, 18 points. The rest of the time he's not done much at all. That is the only difference between the two in my eyes.

 

For me they're quite close, mainly because Gasly is usually a bit quicker but he also does more stupid stuff, like hitting Hartley in China, crashing into Ocon in France, and today going for full wets on a mainly dry track.

I do think there's more potential in Gasly than in Hartley however, so if I had to pick one...

[messy]

Lights, on 22 Jul 2018 - 19:10, said:

For me they're quite close, mainly because Gasly is usually a bit quicker but he also does more stupid stuff, like hitting Hartley in China, crashing into Ocon in France, and today going for full wets on a mainly dry track.

I do think there's more potential in Gasly than in Hartley however, so if I had to pick one...

I'd say Hartley has shown equal or greater underlying speed than Gasly in quite a few races. I get the impression his confidence is pretty brittle, probably because of the rumours about him being replaced popping up all the time. He just doesn't seem to pull things together, and desperately needs a stronger 'best result' than tenth. But he's shown the speed to belong in F1, albeit only in flashes. I think probably they're both doing alright is the reality - boring as that may be - But I'd like to see Hartley have a real 'moment' like Gasly did in Bahrain.

[potmotr]

Good job from Hartley today.

 

I think he's starting to deliver nice clean weekends, and he keeps his nose clean in the races which is important.

 

I think it was insane to write him off after a few race weekends, so hopefully Red Bull are keeping an open mind.

 

Autosport said the other week that Hartley would stay until the season finishes (citing Marko).

 

I actually think it was Gasly's comments in Baku which did Hartley's reputation a tonne of damange.

 

Gasly should have (or been told to) keep his mouth shut. 

[Bluflame]

Good call by Hartley to ask for one more lap rather than come straight in when called.

His experience is an asset in situations like that so he has hopefully earned a bit more respect from the team with this result.

A likeable chap with a calm demeanour who hopefully can get a strong result to properly define the year.

[potmotr]

I think Hungary should be good for Hartley.

 

They won't be at such a power disadvantage.

Sucks seeing him get stuck behind Stroll like today.

[Prelude]

Lights, on 22 Jul 2018 - 19:04, said:

The worst of it all was, GAS was the only one going to full wets. Full wets! No driver should agree on that in these circumstances, even if the team suggests it.

Oh I forgot to mention that one. That was even worse from the team. Gasly showing he's still very green, he got schooled by Hartley today.

[potmotr]

Prelude, on 22 Jul 2018 - 21:49, said:

Oh I forgot to mention that one. That was even worse from the team. Gasly showing he's still very green, he got schooled by Hartley today.

 

I think Gasly has the speed but I do wonder about his maturity.

For starters, nothing is ever his fault which I find extremely tedious. 

 

Rammed Hartley from behind in China and blamed Hartley.

 

Took out Ocon on lap one in France and blamed Ocon.

 

Pushed off Perez on the last lap at Silverstone and claimed he was blameless.

 

I think at this stage in his career it would be refreshing for Gasly to admit to mistakes now and again.

 

I think Hartley, on the other hand, did this too much in the first half of this season giving people ammunition to beat him with.

[Prelude]

messy, on 22 Jul 2018 - 20:21, said:

I'd say Hartley has shown equal or greater underlying speed than Gasly in quite a few races. I get the impression his confidence is pretty brittle, probably because of the rumours about him being replaced popping up all the time. He just doesn't seem to pull things together, and desperately needs a stronger 'best result' than tenth. But he's shown the speed to belong in F1, albeit only in flashes. I think probably they're both doing alright is the reality - boring as that may be - But I'd like to see Hartley have a real 'moment' like Gasly did in Bahrain.

Gasly is still the faster driver, I don't remember Hartley being faster than him (all being equal) in many races, if any. The problem for Gasly is that he's a hothead and reckless. But I agree with Lights he has better potential. If nothing else, qualifying indicates this. I don't think he showed enough to be considered to a top team though, but he has better potential.

Hartley, I doubt he has the raw pace to put the car high on the grid and get a similar result to Gas in bahrain.

[Prelude]

potmotr, on 22 Jul 2018 - 21:54, said:

I think Gasly has the speed but I do wonder about his maturity.

For starters, nothing is ever his fault which I find extremely tedious. 

 

Rammed Hartley from behind in China and blamed Hartley.

 

Took out Ocon on lap one in France and blamed Ocon.

 

Pushed off Perez on the last lap at Silverstone and claimed he was blameless.

 

I think at this stage in his career it would be refreshing for Gasly to admit to mistakes now and again.

 

I think Hartley, on the other hand, did this too much in the first half of this season giving people ammunition to beat him with.

While not as extreme, he reminds me a bit of Grosjean.

The cases you mention, while none of them are clear cut examples of idiotic moves, he still was at least partly to blame.

[thegamer23]

Happy for Brendon, he needs every boost of confidence possible to impress Toro Rosso in the second half of the year. 

[potmotr]

An 8 from Autosport in the driver ratings for Hartley, things are looking up! 

 

Needs to back it up with a big weekend in Hungary.

 

I think it's easy to forget what a massive transition he went through jumping from five solid years of sportscars to F1 last year, with next to no notice.

[maximilian]

What the hell have Toro Rosso done to Hartley?  He was running 9th, then they stop him and he's nowhere to be seen since then!   

[Laptom]

Great race from Gasly this far.

Edited by Laptom, 29 July 2018 - 14:31.

[potmotr]

Great drive by Gasly, held position at the stops then had the benefit of clear air most of the race as the Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull pulled away ahead of him.

 

Hartley looked like he could have got up the inside of Gasly at turn one but (wisely) backed out of the move, and lost a place to Magnussen as a consequence.

 

Also not sure on Hartley's strategy. Got jumped by Grosjean, Alonso and Vandoorne at the stops. Even with Vandoorne retiring that meant 11th, bit of a shame.

 

Almost all of Hartley's race was in dirty air. Did well to hold off Hulkenberg though. 

Edited by potmotr, 29 July 2018 - 14:57.

[Frood]

Hartley, along with Grosjean and Hulkenberg, got stuck behind Ocon after their first stops. Ocon's lack of pace meant that the McLarens jumped them.

[potmotr]

Frood, on 29 Jul 2018 - 14:58, said:

Hartley, along with Grosjean and Hulkenberg, got stuck behind Ocon after their first stops. Ocon's lack of pace meant that the McLarens jumped them.

 

I don't think he lost all the much time to Ocon. 

 

The real damage was done being jumped by Grosjean in the stops, and also both McLarens.

[messy]

For Hartley's future in F1 it really had to be him up there in sixth today rather than Gasly didn't it?

Shame. I like Brendon Hartley, I like what his signing for STR represented, but it's not really working out.

[maximilian]

messy, on 29 Jul 2018 - 15:35, said:

Shame. I like Brendon Hartley, I like what his signing for STR represented, but it's not really working out.

 

Same here, although if Toro Rosso hadn't stuffed up the stop strategy (clearly they got SOMETHING wrong here, he lost 5 places), he would have scored points today.  The encouraging thing is that he DOES show improvement.  I still hope that by season's end he will be on par with Gasly, and wouldn't necessarily rule him out of a 2019 Toro Rosso ride just yet (also since there really aren't any great alternatives in the pipeline, unless they sign Albon up).

 

Admittedly though, Gasly IS driving like the standout talent I thought he is.  Cracking result today yet again.      So yeah, it's a tough task for Hartley to try and match him.

Edited by maximilian, 29 July 2018 - 16:41.

[Baddoer]

Good job Gas man, with Hartley strategy could have been better.

[potmotr]

messy, on 29 Jul 2018 - 15:35, said:

For Hartley's future in F1 it really had to be him up there in sixth today rather than Gasly didn't it?

Shame. I like Brendon Hartley, I like what his signing for STR represented, but it's not really working out.

 

I agree yes, and I think had Hartley slid down the inside of Gasly at the first corner (which looked possible) Brendon could have well been sixth.

 

As it was he threw caution to the wind and got mugged at the stops by the McLarens and Grosjean.

 

Though knowing Hartley's luck, if he'd tried a move on Gasly it would have ended up with both TR out at the first corner... 

[potmotr]

maximilian, on 29 Jul 2018 - 16:40, said:

Same here, although if Toro Rosso hadn't stuffed up the stop strategy (clearly they got SOMETHING wrong here, he lost 5 places), he would have scored points today.  The encouraging thing is that he DOES show improvement.  I still hope that by season's end he will be on par with Gasly, and wouldn't necessarily rule him out of a 2019 Toro Rosso ride just yet (also since there really aren't any great alternatives in the pipeline, unless they sign Albon up).

 

Admittedly though, Gasly IS driving like the standout talent I thought he is.  Cracking result today yet again.      So yeah, it's a tough task for Hartley to try and match him.

 

I think 24 points to 2 at the summer break doesn't look great.

 

I agree that Hartley is improving though.

[ClubmanGT]

Is this a track Hartley has ever run at before? Did 3.5s ever go to the Hungaroring? 

[Dratini]

ClubmanGT, on 30 Jul 2018 - 06:25, said:

Is this a track Hartley has ever run at before? Did 3.5s ever go to the Hungaroring? 

Yep, six races from 2009 to 2011 where he registered a best finish of 4th in 2010.

[sopa]

I'd like to see Gasly tested against another team-mate.

 

Current situation actually reminds a bit of Sainz v Kvyat. The point-score in Toro Rosso last year was 48-4 in Sainz' favour before they departed from TR. But now look at 2018 - Sainz has had trouble keeping up with Hulkenberg.

 

Gasly is also well ahead of Hartley in points: 26-2. Basically a similar beating. But a proper quality driver would give Gasly a much sterner test, much like Sainz is facing this year.

[potmotr]

sopa, on 02 Aug 2018 - 18:34, said:

I'd like to see Gasly tested against another team-mate.

 

Looks like you'll get your wish!

 

Interesting see the start at Hungary from Hartey's perspective here, with commentary from Brendon.

 

Turns out taking out Gasly and Verstappen was at the forefront of his mind, perhaps not surprisingly! https://twitter.com/...505683657809921

[Lights]

Why did Gasly fall back so much after qualifying 9th? 

[Rors]

Lights, on 02 Sept 2018 - 16:36, said:

Why did Gasly fall back so much after qualifying 9th? 

 

Good question I came here to ask! What the hell happened? He must had issues at the pit stop? 

[statman]

just found on a Spanish website through translation:

 

The performance shown by the French driver was not due to the deficit of the Honda engine, but to an incident he had with Fernando Alonso in the first corner of the Monza circuit. It left him a damaged floor.

 

"The start of the race was normal, then I was locked in the first and second corner. I was in a fight with Alonso where he was in the first corner, but he left me no space and ended up breaking half of the floor ", explains the French pilot of Toro Rosso.

 

Gasly complained of grip problems that slowed down his speed, as his tires skidded a lot when he pulled at the exit of the corners. Without doubt, it was not the day wished by the French driver after having done the impossible on Saturday to get his car in Q3 at high-speed Monza.

 

[Bleu]

Gasly dropped two positions already on the first lap - effectively three as Vettel dropped down.

[Prelude]

Lights, on 02 Sept 2018 - 16:36, said:

Why did Gasly fall back so much after qualifying 9th? 

Gasly: "Today was clearly not the day we wanted. At the beginning of the race, I was blocked in Turn 1 and 2 and lost a couple of places. Very soon I had an incident with Fernando and my floor got damaged on the right side, after that I had another collision with Daniel which compromised the rear. In these conditions, the car was sliding everywhere and the race was pretty much over for me, it was very difficult to go to the end. We knew it would have been a difficult race for us but the damage to the car made it even trickier, I did the maximum I could but we lost the pace shown during the weekend. I just need to forget about it and start focusing on Singapore, which is a track where we normally can do very well."

 

This was the forth time this season that Gasly was limping to the finish with a broken car because of clashes with other drivers, costing him points.

Edited by Prelude, 02 September 2018 - 18:21.

[MikeV1987]

Beyond the Grid with Pierre Gasly.

 

 

I enjoyed it, he sounds like he's got a good head on his shoulders. The bits about Ocon and racing in Japan were particularly interesting.

[ClubmanGT]

sopa, on 02 Aug 2018 - 18:34, said:

Gasly is also well ahead of Hartley in points: 26-2. Basically a similar beating. But a proper quality driver would give Gasly a much sterner test, much like Sainz is facing this year.

 

"Proper quality".

 

Well that sub-par driver just outqualified him.

[potmotr]

Hartley does it! Outqualifies Gasly on merit for the first time since Canada!