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[MKSixer]

 
 


OK, point taken.

To everyone who still reads my posts and feels offended by the nationalists comment within my post.

My remark "Maybe something typical British", which intended with some sarcasm and is based on only based on the drama queen behaviour of two British drivers of then and now is indeed uncalled for given the fact that in between those two drivers there have been a number of other British drivers have participated in F1 and not acted like the world being against them in case of a disappointment to cope with.

It just happened that the two drivers who I, right now do remember the best of all for such behaviour are indeed British. Had this not been the case and them have been of different nationalities I would not have made the connection to begin with, let alone have made the comment in which I mention the nationality. But it was the case and hence the thought came up and I made it. But in hindsight and for reasons already given, I should not have done so. For that I apologize.

I have nothing personal against drivers and/or Britain, my critisizm on Lewis would have been the same had he had another nationality and is based on what I see him doing, not because of his nationality. As was the case with Mansell BTW.


Henri

Henri, are you this critical of Alonso, Vettel, Magnussen, Grojean, and especially Verstappen when they, "complain", on the radio or evidence, as you say "melodramatic behavior"?  I can safely say that no one has had more melodramatic moments than Verstappen this season.  From downright disobedience to simple brat behavior, he's clearly the champion in this area.

 

Holding your team to account when they are making a mockery with decisions that are painfully obvious in situ isn't complaining, it's having high standards. 

 

Cheers-MK

[TomNokoe]

As a Lewis fan, I've been taught to back him all the way. He won't let you down.

Generally speaking however, F1 has become very "instant" recently. Drivers are being defined by their last race, a one off bad qualifying session, an out-of-place media quip. Too many gifs and memes. It's very tedious. Especially with such an impressionable audience.

[ernestomodena]

Henri, are you this critical of Alonso, Vettel, Magnussen, Grojean, and especially Verstappen when they, "complain", on the radio or evidence, as you say "melodramatic behavior"?  I can safely say that no one has had more melodramatic moments than Verstappen this season.  From downright disobedience to simple brat behavior, he's clearly the champion in this area.

 

Holding your team to account when they are making a mockery with decisions that are painfully obvious in situ isn't complaining, it's having high standards. 

 

Cheers-MK

 

There comments are diffrent. Alonso just makes comments for the sake of a comment. Verstappen only is saying something if he is feeling that he has not been treatedd like the rest. Lewis is just comlaining every dam time when something is not going as he thought it will go most of the time in the fastest car so those coments where kind of comical. THe only one really annoing is Galsy in that respect it's total panic on the radio.

[tweiss]

Unfortunately this season has taught me that F1 is dying...and I miss Bernie.

[cheekybru]

Bottas is not that good and Rosberg really was that much better than people gave him credit for regardless of what Hamilton fans still say.

You should say "SOME Hamilton Fans" you come across as ignorant when you sweep a group of people under the same banner

Personally I never doubted Nico since Lewis listed him up there with Alonso in 2010ish, his speed and consistancy was very good (not Lewis level but not far off) but his wheel to wheel was lacking a bit

Edited by cheekybru, 05 December 2018 - 18:17.

[Henri Greuter]

Henri, are you this critical of Alonso, Vettel, Magnussen, Grojean, and especially Verstappen when they, "complain", on the radio or evidence, as you say "melodramatic behavior"?  I can safely say that no one has had more melodramatic moments than Verstappen this season.  From downright disobedience to simple brat behavior, he's clearly the champion in this area.

 

Holding your team to account when they are making a mockery with decisions that are painfully obvious in situ isn't complaining, it's having high standards. 

 

Cheers-MK

 

 

MK

 

 

The big difference for me is that Lewis Hamilton in the past 5 years had just about as many setbacks in 5 years of time (meaning mechanical problems) as some had in less than a year alone, not mentioning what the had in longer periods of time. Yet every time when the car does let him down Lewis acts like as if the whole world is against him and him alone. I think that a number of drivers would dream about having his rat of mechanic reliability alone!

 

And say what you want about Alonso and the others you mention, but I can't remember any other event in which a driver was so furious about a wrong strategy that made him lose the race that the chief strategian of the team had to come on the on board radio to apologize for messing up and the team failing on him, even Toto Wolff's words not being enough for him to cool down. Now how often has such happened with any other driver?????

For a team that so rarely lets him down, so rarely provides him with a car that has issues, Lewis truly overreacts on rare those moments it does do wrong. Prabably because hie isn't used to such anymore. As if he can only live and cope with things perfect and nothing less.

Had Ricciardo reacted in a same manner as Hamilton on the two occasions I mentioned ever so often with his string of bad lack, you should have seen the outcries of the fans about his behaviour.... But because it is Lewis who acts like this we should shut up?

 

I hope you see a bit better now what annoys me when Lewis acts like a spoiled brat. He is about the one driver with the least reasons of all to complain since about 9 out ot 10 times things go good if not perfect for him but if there is a setback....

 

And yes, I don't think it is wise of Verstappen to lambast Renault publicly after yet another retirement.

You can indeed say safely about that about Verstappen: simply because he had more such issues beyond his control to deal with, in addition to his own mistakes than Lewis....

About Alonso, well he is finding out by now what it yielded him to be nogative on Honda, it should be a reminder for more drivers (Verstappen among them....)  to remember that...

[sopa]

I think between Rosberg and Bottas, which has been a hot topic here, the race pace of Rosberg felt a bit more convincing even if he was still outpaced by Hamilton overall. But chances are Bottas could be close enough to Rosberg in overall performance.

[P123]

Despite the short essays on this pressing issue (ha!) all I can see is an intellectually dishonest attempt to single out Hamilton's reaction to things going against him as somehow different or wrong, compared to how other drivers react. They all have their flake outs. It's sport. It's human emotion. Hamilton's seem rather tame, and your reaction to them ever so slightly odd. We could spend all day having some sort of moan about what a driver said or did. I suspect it's likely you give more attention to Hamilton, as is the case with many; aren't fond of seeing him victorious, and that is why anything he does impacts your emotions negatively. Maybe one day you'll read your posts back and laugh at the fact you tried to labour the point with frequency that this was a thing exclusive to Hamilton.

[FNG]

You should say "SOME Hamilton Fans" you come across as ignorant when you sweep a group of people under the same banner

Personally I never doubted Nico since Lewis listed him up there with Alonso in 2010ish, his speed and consistancy was very good (not Lewis level but not far off) but his wheel to wheel was lacking a bit

 

True! Some Hamilton fans correct!

 

I never understood why SOME  Hamilton fans continue to belittle Rosbereg's title win and Rosberg's abilities. Think about it, the more Rosberg is held to a higher regard the better this makes Hamilton look for beating him twice as a teammate.

[Ramon69]

Unfortunately this season has taught me that F1 is dying...and I miss Bernie.

You must be joking. I keep hearing the same old song for years now...

[Ramon69]

1) Based upon..? The fact that Mercedes was more dominant during his era?
 

I can't believe that you really ask this, unless you are trolling. Do you honestly see many drivers on the grid troubling Lewis and even beating him as often as Nico did?

[goldenboy]

Very interesting stats mentioned regarding bottas/rosberg and their relative gaps to Hamilton as well as the gap each had to the next best team. I will certainly alter my view somewhat on bottas performance this year - a little.

[sopa]

Now that Bernie got mentioned, I have to say that 2018 taught me that doesn't matter, who is in charge of F1, they behave the same way. People were complaining that Bernie is bringing F1 races away from Europe. What does Liberty do? Goes to Vietnam! Doesn't matter any more, who is in charge from that point of view, lol. All cut from the same cloth. Or maybe that's symptomatic of which kind of world we live in and expanding to Asia is indeed necessary!

[P123]

Now that Bernie got mentioned, I have to say that 2018 taught me that doesn't matter, who is in charge of F1, they behave the same way. People were complaining that Bernie is bringing F1 races away from Europe. What does Liberty do? Goes to Vietnam! Doesn't matter any more, who is in charge from that point of view, lol. All cut from the same cloth. Or maybe that's symptomatic of which kind of world we live in and expanding to Asia is indeed necessary!

Just as it won't matter who is race director- people will always be calling for their heads, always complaining about inconsistent decision making of the stewards. In fact like Bernie, you could almost guarantee that once Whiting is replaced somebody will come along and state how they miss him.

As for the F1 is broken brigade, they should watch this video from start to finish (as posted in one of the race topics during the season). The more things change, etc... And note the disregard for track limits too.

[Cliff]

Max is ready.

[eibyyz]

2018 has taught me that 1.  Liberty is in over their heads.  2.  Ferrari and Mercedes are playing chicken with Liberty.  

[HeadFirst]

Max is ready.

 

For his first unchaperoned date????? 

[eibyyz]

But are they remembered in a positive light?

 

Yeah, at least for me.  It's a job I couldn't do in a million years.

[eibyyz]

Those 'people' were a very specific group of folks, namely the people who were upset about their favourite driver becoming one of the rare champions to lose a title to his team-mate and, as a result of Rosberg calling it quits, being denied the chance to 'correct' this in 2017.

 

 

 

'Correct' this?  That's a sad and dangerous mindset (not yours, but replying to your post) in that a title isn't a title unless you kick someone's arse.  Someone particular.  For every Senna/Prost there's a Villeneuve/Pironi.

[KWSN - DSM]

In no particular order.

 

• Max Verstappen is at worst the second best driver in the world.
• Vettel is more 'frail' cracking under pressure than I thought he was.
• Rosberg was (as I have been arguing for years) a much better driver than he was given credit for.
• Ricciardo is not quite as good as I thought him to be (a very small nudge downwards).
• Leclerc is the real deal.
• That I detest tarmac run-offs even more than I did in 2017, 2016, 2015...
• That Stroll is a better driver than what he is being getting credit for.
• That the powers in place regardless of who they are, continue to fail at understanding how to grow F1.
• That McLaren is living of past glory.
• That Williams is living of past glory.
• That the sport is over Steward'ed.
• That close to every single driver at times behaved like an entitled, whining Prima Donna's. 
• That Red Bull continue behaving like entitled, whining Prima Donna's.

[RacingGreen]

Interresting comment. Does it refer to the fact that the hybrid engines used more oil (as fuel component), or the sheer size of the current cars (sooooooooo long) ?

I doubt if it refers to their fuel storage capacity: compared with the no-refuelled V8s the current cars have way smaller fuel tanks ....

 

IMHO these cars are too big and heavy (and with too much aero downforce), F1 cars should be small, nimble and visibly overpowered. I'm sure they still require a very special driver to handle them on the limit but I want to see cars that slide and "dance." Not sure how to achieve that with these PU's and the weight of their energy recovery units, and I'm not advocating a return to V8's or V10's (although if Ferrari want to bring back the noise of a three litre V12 to Formula 1 I'd let them.) I'm hoping that simpler front wings in 2019 is only the first step in overhauling the aero regulations, and that clever as they are the PU's are simpler and smaller in their next iteration.

 

As a slight aside my profile lists as one of my "loves" crossply tyres, only half in jest. One of my early F1 memories was watching Ronnie Peterson's Lotus on opposite lock at Woodcote. Modern cars on modern tyres couldn't do that without losing huge amounts of time, and I still miss that spectacularly visible aggressive driving. Nowadays aggressive cornering just means abusing the track limits which the stewards constantly ignore.

[Sterzo]

Now that Bernie got mentioned, I have to say that 2018 taught me that doesn't matter, who is in charge of F1, they behave the same way. People were complaining that Bernie is bringing F1 races away from Europe. What does Liberty do? Goes to Vietnam! Doesn't matter any more, who is in charge from that point of view, lol. All cut from the same cloth. Or maybe that's symptomatic of which kind of world we live in and expanding to Asia is indeed necessary!

But there's a difference between adding races, as Liberty propose, and closing down European races, as Ecclestone effectively did.

 

We don't yet know whether Liberty will be good or bad for F1 in the long term, because they're still managing the dunghill Ecclestone left behind.

[Kao18]

That my memory is not as good as it used to be. Only 50% 

 

https://readmotorspo...2018-f1-season/

 

Anyone that gets a perfect score let me know, you can truly call yourself an F1 nerd and I'll pay more attention to whatever you post 

[djparky]

The 2018 F1 season has taught me that INDYCAR is much more compelling and fun than F1.

100% agree....other than that the Grand Canyon sized gap between the big 3 and the rest, means that the rest may can only compete for 7th, and hope they don't get lapped

Williams- well it can't get worse can it??

[boillot]

For me, it confirmed what I have been thinking since 2012: that Vettel lucked into his titles. Now I know that he lucked into all 4.

It also showed that Hamilton is a real great.

It showed also that Formula 1 (as is) has no future.

Edited by boillot, 06 December 2018 - 18:00.

[thefinalapex]

For me, it confirmed what I have been thinking since 2012: that Vettel lucked into his titles. Now I know that he lucked into all 4.

 

 

Unbelievable....

[boillot]

Unbelievable....

I live in the beautiful city of Heidelberg. Vettelheim (Heppenheim) is only 34 km away. Hockenheim is just around. I am indeed an Alonso supporter but it would have been easier for me to swallow especially 2012, had Vettel proved himself to be a real great. But what happened at this year’s German GP and thereafter just made me terribly angry because I realised that my doubts were realistic. You will not find a single my post against Vettel older than August. But then I simply couldn’t stand it any more. At the same time, I read Newey’s biography and realized that, despite being a brilliant engineer, he’s just a cheat (double diffuser was not OK because he did not discover the loophole but cold blowing was OK). Vettel won 4 titles in cheating rocketships and that’s it.

Edited by boillot, 06 December 2018 - 20:55.

[404KF2]

It taught me that it's barely worth watching these days.

[PlayboyRacer]

Taught me that, more than ever, I miss the 80s and 90s.

[teejay]

- Confirmed that Vettel is suspect when exposed to serious moments/periods of pressure 

 

- Lewis - liked or loathed, drives so much discussion on the sport 

 

- Lewis continues to push those who have found it their mission to hate him further and further into a small corner from where they cannot do much more than flail their arms and sook like a 4 year old having a tantrum 

 

- Charles is the real deal 

 

- Kimi loves the sport more than you think 

 

- McLaren is a mess