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#101 f1paul

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 18:09

On the other hand, when was he ever good? Sure he had one or two races in his career that were good, but then again so did many forgotten drivers. He had two top 5 finishes in entire season, despite being given advantage in form of fan boost throughout entireity of the season. Multiple retirements, many of them through crashes, penalties and other mistakes - it just doesn't add up to me to call Vandoorne good.

 

Having said that, it is a good idea from PR perspective to keep him I suppose, for some reason he has huge fanbase which results in fanboost every race, so maybe keeping him for marketing reasons makes sense.

Oh yeah, because that gave him a big advantage.

 

Vandoorne didn't even use it when he was battling for positions because fanboost is pretty useless. Fanboost accounts for 0.00001% of overtakes in FE.



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#102 messy

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 19:24

Vandoorne is a ****ing mystery to me. I suspect the HWA car just wasn’t at the races this season really. He was impressive in flashes but there were so many different problems and niggles all season that I bet he wondered if he was still in a McLaren-Honda after all.

Nobody who saw Vandoorne in either FR3.5 (coming on strong and beating Magnussen regularly from mid-season as a rookie) or GP2 (winning races he had no right to, time and again) could say he was anything but a brilliant prospect. And he was up against decent opposition - not the greatest admittedly, but a handful of future F1 drivers in Magnussen, Nasr, Palmer, Gasly, and an Indy 500 winner in Rossi.

I thought he did well in 2017 too actually. By mid season he was right with Alonso in numerous races over the summer, and ahead of him on points....but last year was dire, which is strange.

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#103 thegamer23

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 19:29

Lotterer is a great signing for Porsche, but Jani will be a liability.  They should have signed on Hartley, instead.

 

HUGE seat open in the CHAMPIONSHIP BEST FE TEAM... who will get it??  This is a MAJOR factor.

So, let's put the rumors & the info we know together

 

Rumored:
Grosjean

Da Costa

Inside the team already
James Rossiter (Techeetah's Official Test Driver)
Tatiana Calderon (did test in Riyadh)

But there could be more drivers outside FE looking to that hotseat!
 


Edited by thegamer23, 17 July 2019 - 19:32.


#104 Bliman

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 20:03

Vandoorne is a ****ing mystery to me. I suspect the HWA car just wasn’t at the races this season really. He was impressive in flashes but there were so many different problems and niggles all season that I bet he wondered if he was still in a McLaren-Honda after all.

Nobody who saw Vandoorne in either FR3.5 (coming on strong and beating Magnussen regularly from mid-season as a rookie) or GP2 (winning races he had no right to, time and again) could say he was anything but a brilliant prospect. And he was up against decent opposition - not the greatest admittedly, but a handful of future F1 drivers in Magnussen, Nasr, Palmer, Gasly, and an Indy 500 winner in Rossi.

I thought he did well in 2017 too actually. By mid season he was right with Alonso in numerous races over the summer, and ahead of him on points....but last year was dire, which is strange.

Stoffel needs a place where he feels appreciated and where he can trust people and vice versa. That was the total opposite in Mclaren.

He had a pretty messy season in a crap car this year. But I think that all drivers would make many faults in FE. The grip is very bad and you have bad racing (I wouldn't even call it that)  and you have no downforce and you race on crappy streetcircuits. Stoffel is better as Gasly or Magnussen and such imo. But he didn't had the real chance to proof it. Certainly in the hornets nest that Mclaren was last years and that is not even including Alonso who loves political plays. I would say (I bet you know I would   ;) ) give him a chance with Haas in place of Grosjean or Magnussen. But I think he will stay for Mercedes in FE.



#105 maximilian

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 02:00

So, let's put the rumors & the info we know together

 

Rumored:
Grosjean

Da Costa

Inside the team already
James Rossiter (Techeetah's Official Test Driver)
Tatiana Calderon (did test in Riyadh)

But there could be more drivers outside FE looking to that hotseat!
 

 

Well you know, if Alonso EVER does Formula E, this would be the perfect chance... in the championship winning team.  Why not?  :love:



#106 Vielleicht

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 09:58

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This feels important for some reason.



#107 Ben1445

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 10:35

This feels important for some reason.

Because if you're one of the many talented drivers assessing your options after Formula One has scooped up the best young 'wonder kid' talent and drivers with money, leaving the promising yet-to-fully-develop talent or those without millions in sponsor backing to look elsewhere.....Formula E is now a legitimately an attractive option for a well paid career. 

 

If you compare the make up of the field in Season 1 to today, it is so different. There's younger talent coming in from the bottom, rather than falling down from above. Vergne becoming double champion and making FE his home adds a lot more provenance to holding the title of Formula E Champion that I don't think existed in the same way before. The number of major manufacturers adds some prestige to the mix. It's impressive how quickly they've managed t reach this point.



#108 Imateria

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:41

I don't think Techeeta will end up with a current F1 driver unless someone gets fired over the summer, it would require a stand in for the first couple of races and if you want to retain your teams title thats probably not the best way to go about it.

 

Personally I hope they go for Turvey, he's been brilliant but is stuck in that milkfloat of a NIO, it would be nice to see him in a decent car for once.

 

I'm surprised at the level of hate that Jani is getting here, Lynn was much derided after last season but has impressed on his return for the second half of this season. If Lynn can do it then as long as he's motivated for it, Jani shouldn't have any problem at all.



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:58

Does anyone know the latest on the 2020 Calendar silly season?

 

I've heard rumours of races in St Petersburg, Budapest, Rio, Jakarta, Sanya, Shanghai and Marrakesh but the calendar only offers 2x TBC dates and on the FE website the March 21 date is China, they're just not saying where. Which are most likely and in which slots? The rumours for some races aren't in the available date slots.... could this calendar actually expand? I hope so... I really got into season 5 but it didn't seem to last long! 

 

2019/20 FE calendar

1 Ad Diriyah** November 22, 2019
2 Ad Diriyah November 23, 2019 
3 TBC December 14, 2019 
4 Santiago* January 18, 2020 
5 Mexico City* February 15, 2020 
6 Hong Kong* March 1, 2020 
7 TBC March 21, 2020 
8 Rome April 4, 2020 
9 Paris April 18, 2020 
10 Seoul* May 3, 2020 
11 Berlin May 30, 2020 
12 New York City June 20, 2020 
13 London* July 25, 2020 
14 London* July 26, 2020



#110 thegamer23

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:17

Well, that was an early draft, so there could be some additional locations (unlikely, but possible)

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:23

I don't think Techeeta will end up with a current F1 driver unless someone gets fired over the summer, it would require a stand in for the first couple of races and if you want to retain your teams title thats probably not the best way to go about it.

 

Personally I hope they go for Turvey, he's been brilliant but is stuck in that milkfloat of a NIO, it would be nice to see him in a decent car for once.

 

I'm surprised at the level of hate that Jani is getting here, Lynn was much derided after last season but has impressed on his return for the second half of this season. If Lynn can do it then as long as he's motivated for it, Jani shouldn't have any problem at all.

 

Lynn debuted with a pole position in his first outing, and showed potential despite fading for a while, while Jani was just pathetic and never showed ANY indication that he is cut out for FE at all... similar to Villeneuve and Nasr, just hopeless at the end of the field.  Not saying he's a bad driver in general, but his tenure in FE was enough to look elsewhere instead, IMO.  Especially for Porsche, who could have had Hartley, young Maxi Günther, or a myriad of other outstanding drivers.  Anyways, I hope I am wrong on Jani, because it would be most annoying to have a clearly underperforming driver on the grid in a very high-profile seat,  I expect Lotterer to run circles around him, regardless.


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#112 maximilian

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:25

Does Massa have a contract for next season?  His driving has been atrocious in the last few rounds.



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:30

He does, for next season and the one after that... 

https://e-racing365....r-venturi-deal/



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:50

He does, for next season and the one after that... 

https://e-racing365....r-venturi-deal/

 

"E-racing365 understands that Massa’s representatives had held talks with some other teams in recent months but were only able to get a multi-year commitment from Venturi."

 

They might come to regret that... apparently the other teams were smarter  :lol: 



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 13:12

So, let's put the rumors & the info we know together

 

Rumored:
Grosjean

Da Costa

Inside the team already
James Rossiter (Techeetah's Official Test Driver)
Tatiana Calderon (did test in Riyadh)

But there could be more drivers outside FE looking to that hotseat!
 

Da Costa is almost done.


 



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 14:02

Jani was just pathetic and never showed ANY indication that he is cut out for FE at all... similar to Villeneuve and Nasr, just hopeless at the end of the field.  Not saying he's a bad driver in general, but his tenure in FE was enough to look elsewhere instead, IMO.  Especially for Porsche, who could have had Hartley, young Maxi Günther, or a myriad of other outstanding drivers.  Anyways, I hope I am wrong on Jani, because it would be most annoying to have a clearly underperforming driver on the grid in a very high-profile seat,  I expect Lotterer to run circles around him, regardless.

 

To be fair, it was just two races, and Lotterer looked even worse.



#117 maximilian

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 14:11

Da Costa is almost done.

 

 

Too bad, I was hoping the Alonso rumors would take hold!   ;)

 

Well, the open BMW seat is another matter of interest, then!  I sure hope it's not Spengler, though.  Certainly should mean Sims is staying on if Felixdacosta leaves. Put in Philipp Eng!!  I want an Austrian in FE!   :stoned:



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 15:13

Lynn debuted with a pole position in his first outing, and showed potential despite fading for a while, while Jani was just pathetic and never showed ANY indication that he is cut out for FE at all... similar to Villeneuve and Nasr, just hopeless at the end of the field.  Not saying he's a bad driver in general, but his tenure in FE was enough to look elsewhere instead, IMO.  Especially for Porsche, who could have had Hartley, young Maxi Günther, or a myriad of other outstanding drivers.  Anyways, I hope I am wrong on Jani, because it would be most annoying to have a clearly underperforming driver on the grid in a very high-profile seat,  I expect Lotterer to run circles around him, regardless.

Not exactly fair comparisons, Viellneuve has been useless since about 2004 and there was talk that Nasr just didn't care and was far more interested in defending his IMSA title.



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 15:16

Not exactly fair comparisons, Viellneuve has been useless since about 2004 and there was talk that Nasr just didn't care and was far more interested in defending his IMSA title.

 

Totally different cases for sure, yes.  But in each event, one could look at how they arrived in FE, failed to perform, and it was like... "yeah, he's probably not gonna cut it in this series" (even though might cut it in other series) - compare and contrast that to Lynn and Gasly and even Günther, who showed up and immediately had an air of "yeah, this is a pretty impressive showing, given the circumstances".



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 15:36

Well, that was an early draft, so there could be some additional locations (unlikely, but possible)


As in MORE races? Over and above the tbc dates? That’s what I’m asking!

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 16:21

"E-racing365 understands that Massa’s representatives had held talks with some other teams in recent months but were only able to get a multi-year commitment from Venturi."

They might come to regret that... apparently the other teams were smarter :lol:


I don't think Massa did too bad this season to be fair. He was quick on occasion.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 18:39

 

This feels important for some reason.

I know that you won't want to hear this, but it is important because it is a symptom of the massive ramping up of costs that come with selling the series' soul to the manufacturers.  And that could well kill the series off as it has done in so many other motorsport areas.  



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 20:30

I know that you won't want to hear this, but it is important because it is a symptom of the massive ramping up of costs that come with selling the series' soul to the manufacturers.  And that could well kill the series off as it has done in so many other motorsport areas.  

I want to hear all opinions, even if I disagree with them. How else am I supposed to expand my thinking if I don't know what everyone else is thinking as well? 


 

A spending war left unchecked could well kill the series, you are right. But then if you were to believe early criticisms of FE then it should have had such an explosion of costs as soon as the powertrains were opened up; a single manufacturer would have dominated and the series would have collapsed before it reached Season 5. As it stands we are heading into Season 6 with two new manufacturers joining and with every major manufacturer competing in Season 5 having won at least one ePrix, a win for a smaller independent in Venturi and three wins for a customer team in Envision Virgin. That's really quite far from the early doom and gloom predictions so it follows for me that something is going right... at least so far.


 

And what happens if the ’so far’ ceases to be and a some manufacturers are left behind, don’t like being at the back and leave? Well, we’ve seen a glimpse of what would happen already with Techeetah. The slot is taken by a private team with new backers, they knock on the door of whichever manufacturer has the best powertrain and buy it at a capped cost. That has helped Techeetah become the team to beat going into Season 6. Even after they tempted DS away from Envision, all Envision had to do was walk over to Audi and buy their powertrains. That worked out pretty well for them too. So I feel pretty confident that, even if we see a mass manufacturer exodus, there is a sensible system in place to protect privateer interest and prevent the death of the series.

In the meantime, a full field of well paid professional drivers (with the very best earning significant enough money) I think is a significant position to be in. Agag said at some point in the last year that it would be more desirable now for the series to raise its profile by making stars out of its drivers because being in Formula E makes them look like stars, rather than tempting star drivers over from other series. And I have to agree with that ambition if Formula E is to be a sustainable success in its own right. Having higher driver earnings and prize money is a part of achieving that goal, because drivers see it as a more prestigious, valid career option.

I think the unkown now is how well the cost capped supply rule prevents or slows down a sprialing of costs. Worst case we end up with a field of mostly privateers buying a dominant powertrain or two and the racing still happens with the very best, highly developed electric powertrains on offer. Best case is we carry on as we have been this last season, with a vast majority of teams and manufacturers able to take a win on their day.


Edited by Vielleicht, 18 July 2019 - 20:31.


#124 Ben1445

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 21:44

Vergne and Da Costa seems like it would be a strong line up. 

 

What would BMW do then? Promote from within like it did with Sims or find someone with FE race experience? 



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Posted 18 July 2019 - 22:13

BMW have so many good drivers in their ranks. I was surprised when Sims was actually given the nod. I don’t know why Wittmann has never been mentioned for Formula E. It seems Spengler has tested regularly in the FE car. Joel Erikson is young and was strong in F3 a few years ago. Personally I’d like to see Philipp Eng given a try as he seems a pretty adaptable and aggressive racer.

I’d be surprised if they don’t promote from within. The only drivers I’d look at who may move to them would be Evans and Wehrlein.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 22:18

After the crash-fest in New York (admittedly it was entertaining but premium driving it was not) I can't help but feel both HAAS drivers would enjoy some E.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:07

In the meantime, a full field of well paid professional drivers (with the very best earning significant enough money) I think is a significant position to be in. Agag said at some point in the last year that it would be more desirable now for the series to raise its profile by making stars out of its drivers because being in Formula E makes them look like stars, rather than tempting star drivers over from other series. And I have to agree with that ambition if Formula E is to be a sustainable success in its own right. Having higher driver earnings and prize money is a part of achieving that goal, because drivers see it as a more prestigious, valid career option.

Yeah, and that is why this Silly Season is pretty interesting so far. There's serious drivers going after serious seats. 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 09:15

Grosjean is made for Formula E.



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 10:05

I dunno, I don't really see Grosjean as prime FE material. Even Massa feels a bit out of place. 

 

It is the Rowlands and the Wehrleins and the Evans types that I think really fit. 



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Posted 19 July 2019 - 10:49

I want to hear all opinions, even if I disagree with them. How else am I supposed to expand my thinking if I don't know what everyone else is thinking as well? 


A spending war left unchecked could well kill the series, you are right. But then if you were to believe early criticisms of FE then it should have had such an explosion of costs as soon as the powertrains were opened up; a single manufacturer would have dominated and the series would have collapsed before it reached Season 5. As it stands we are heading into Season 6 with two new manufacturers joining and with every major manufacturer competing in Season 5 having won at least one ePrix, a win for a smaller independent in Venturi and three wins for a customer team in Envision Virgin. That's really quite far from the early doom and gloom predictions so it follows for me that something is going right... at least so far.


And what happens if the ’so far’ ceases to be and a some manufacturers are left behind, don’t like being at the back and leave? Well, we’ve seen a glimpse of what would happen already with Techeetah. The slot is taken by a private team with new backers, they knock on the door of whichever manufacturer has the best powertrain and buy it at a capped cost. That has helped Techeetah become the team to beat going into Season 6. Even after they tempted DS away from Envision, all Envision had to do was walk over to Audi and buy their powertrains. That worked out pretty well for them too. So I feel pretty confident that, even if we see a mass manufacturer exodus, there is a sensible system in place to protect privateer interest and prevent the death of the series.

In the meantime, a full field of well paid professional drivers (with the very best earning significant enough money) I think is a significant position to be in. Agag said at some point in the last year that it would be more desirable now for the series to raise its profile by making stars out of its drivers because being in Formula E makes them look like stars, rather than tempting star drivers over from other series. And I have to agree with that ambition if Formula E is to be a sustainable success in its own right. Having higher driver earnings and prize money is a part of achieving that goal, because drivers see it as a more prestigious, valid career option.

I think the unkown now is how well the cost capped supply rule prevents or slows down a sprialing of costs. Worst case we end up with a field of mostly privateers buying a dominant powertrain or two and the racing still happens with the very best, highly developed electric powertrains on offer. Best case is we carry on as we have been this last season, with a vast majority of teams and manufacturers able to take a win on their day.

It is important for the level of drivers you can attract and so the level of the whole series. Formula E should target to be the second most popular series behind F1. Every driver from other series and even F1 will be more and more interested to have a career in FE than it just being a weirdo experiment for electric cars.

Edited by SonGoku, 19 July 2019 - 10:50.


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 12:37

 

And what happens if the ’so far’ ceases to be and a some manufacturers are left behind, don’t like being at the back and leave? Well, we’ve seen a glimpse of what would happen already with Techeetah. The slot is taken by a private team with new backers, they knock on the door of whichever manufacturer has the best powertrain and buy it at a capped cost. That has helped Techeetah become the team to beat going into Season 6. Even after they tempted DS away from Envision, all Envision had to do was walk over to Audi and buy their powertrains. That worked out pretty well for them too. So I feel pretty confident that, even if we see a mass manufacturer exodus, there is a sensible system in place to protect privateer interest and prevent the death of the series.

 

Spot on, the privateer rules of this series are positively brilliant in more ways than one!  :up:  :up:



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 10:35

It is important for the level of drivers you can attract and so the level of the whole series. Formula E should target to be the second most popular series behind F1. Every driver from other series and even F1 will be more and more interested to have a career in FE than it just being a weirdo experiment for electric cars.

Exactly, the more FE can become a destination series the better. We've started to see it with people like Vergne rebuffing an F1 offer to defend his title in FE. We've seen younger talent switch focus to wholesale to FE like Evans, Rowland and actually Günther (who I hope gets a decent seat next year). I'd imagine the sustainability side is going to make it feel like a more and more stable long term bet for the young drivers both now and yet to even sit in a kart. 

 

I think the conditions are right, it just needs two main ingredients; prestige and provenance. 


Edited by Ben1445, 20 July 2019 - 10:38.


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Posted 20 July 2019 - 12:04

BMW have so many good drivers in their ranks. I was surprised when Sims was actually given the nod. I don’t know why Wittmann has never been mentioned for Formula E. It seems Spengler has tested regularly in the FE car. Joel Erikson is young and was strong in F3 a few years ago. Personally I’d like to see Philipp Eng given a try as he seems a pretty adaptable and aggressive racer.

I’d be surprised if they don’t promote from within. The only drivers I’d look at who may move to them would be Evans and Wehrlein.

I'm not sure why Evans would want to swap seats. The Jaguar came on strong in the second half the season, if they can do that over a full year in Season 6 then I see them as definite title contenders. But you are right, BMW certainly would have a wealth of talent to chose from.

 

 

As to the sustainability of the series, I think Agag and co have taken a really good approach with opening up the technical rules, especially in regards to not allowing battery development, the incentive for manufacturers to go out there and spend silly money isn't there which is a good thing.

 

BTW, can anybody remember what powertrain the Dragon team are using?



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 16:09

BTW, can anybody remember what powertrain the Dragon team are using?

They do theirs independatly through Penske so the current iteration is a Penske EV-3. I don't know the finer details on which branch of the organisation (if at all) actually develops that for them. But they are not a customer of anyone else basically.



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Posted 20 July 2019 - 16:39

As to the sustainability of the series, I think Agag and co have taken a really good approach with opening up the technical rules, especially in regards to not allowing battery development, the incentive for manufacturers to go out there and spend silly money isn't there which is a good thing

Yeah, definitely. The whole rules structure is very geared towards protection on spending to avoid a cost explosion. I think that also reminds the manufacturers that if they come in and kill the series soon after it begins then they will not benefit from it in the industry - it is in all of their collective interests for Formula E to succeed.

 

The early concerns about a spending war were very valid and needed to be made. In the time before and up to the end of the first season there was still an option for open battery development and even for the chassis side of things to be opened up. But then it had also faced criticism for not contributing anything to EVs as a spec series. So what we have is a balance...

 

I think also they have set up a situation that require drivers who are both skilled racers and who are technically minded enough to provide good feedback as crucial to forming a succesful racing operation. That is a part of why the levels of professionalism in both testing and racing are making this really quite an interesting silly season indeed.



#136 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 20 July 2019 - 16:47

I'm not sure why Evans would want to swap seats. The Jaguar came on strong in the second half the season, if they can do that over a full year in Season 6 then I see them as definite title contenders.

 

Money. Plus of course others could offer opportunities in outside series as well. Jaguar don't have nearly as big a motorsport presence as the big German brands.

 

Part of me hopes he moves because it would really shake up the driver market, but I also hope he stays and helps Jaguar stay competitive.



#137 Vielleicht

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 10:05

Günther: "Meine Zukunft liegt in der Formel E" (My future lies in Formula E)
https://e-formel.de/...mel-e-7823.html
 
So, Günther wants to stay. I think he's deserved it really. Handled himself well in slightly chaotic team environemnt and put in good performances. Just a matter of who would hire him...
 
And this from a young man who said in February:

"Here it’s all about new technologies, and even in motorsport, electric drives are the future. That’s why it’s also a privilege for me as a young driver to take part in this series  [...]  The series has only been going for five years, and you can assume that it will continue to grow.”



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Posted 21 July 2019 - 13:20

I would love to see Günther in the second Mercedes seat. He used to be associated with HWA & Mercedes via their DTM programme (he was the official reserve driver in 2017), but that ended when Günther rejected a seat for 2018 (IIRC) and Merc weren‘t willing to keep him around in a different capacity.

Edited by Silberpfeil, 21 July 2019 - 13:21.


#139 NorwegianRudo

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 16:26

Günther: "Meine Zukunft liegt in der Formel E" (My future lies in Formula E)
https://e-formel.de/...mel-e-7823.html
 
So, Günther wants to stay. I think he's deserved it really. Handled himself well in slightly chaotic team environemnt and put in good performances. Just a matter of who would hire him...
 

 

Had two top 5 finishes in 10 races in an at best midfield car. Would be shocked if he isn't picked up by someone, preferably not Dragon as they always seem to mess their drivers around.



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#140 Andy35

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 16:33

Is Formula E silly season actually an oxymoron?

 

This series should be pushing totally autonomous with no drivers at all.  

 

Andy



#141 Ben1445

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 16:59

That’s what RoboRace is for... when ...or if... it gets going

#142 thegamer23

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 17:14

Is Formula E silly season actually an oxymoron?

This series should be pushing totally autonomous with no drivers at all.

Andy

I mean. I like the roborace concept for its road relevant applications.

But replacing actual racing between humans...no way!
It would be a fun thing to watch, like Robot Wars/Battlebots, but no more.

Edited by thegamer23, 21 July 2019 - 17:14.


#143 HistoryFan

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Posted 21 July 2019 - 17:18

I would love to see Günther in the second Mercedes seat. He used to be associated with HWA & Mercedes via their DTM programme (he was the official reserve driver in 2017), but that ended when Günther rejected a seat for 2018 (IIRC) and Merc weren‘t willing to keep him around in a different capacity.

 

I wasn't a huge fan of Günther so far. But his performance in Formula E was awesome. Would also like to see him replacing Paffett at Mercedes.


 



#144 HistoryFan

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 14:11

2nd Mercedes seat will be decided between Gary Paffett, Raffaele Marciello and Daniel Juncadella:

 

https://e-racing365....eam-continuity/



#145 Silberpfeil

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 14:28

2nd Mercedes seat will be decided between Gary Paffett, Raffaele Marciello and Daniel Juncadella:

https://e-racing365....eam-continuity/


Interesting. Methinks Juncadella has shown very good form with Aston Martin in DTM this year, either outperforming or being level with di Resta. He was also HWA‘s reserve driver, so he‘s embedded within the team. Marciello has some FE testing under his belt and is one of the best, if not the best GT3 driver on Mercedes‘ roster. Both are strong candidates, but if it is truly between those three from the team‘s perspective I‘d go with Paffett. He took his time to adapt to FE, but was on a steep learning curve in a very unforgiving series and could prove to be a consistent points threat in a competitive Mercedes car.

#146 maximilian

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 15:47

Uninspiring choices, IMO...



#147 Silberpfeil

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 16:21

I’d say they’re all solid choices – I don’t think either one of the three would be an embarrassment to the marquee. At the same time… yeah, they’re missing a bit of sex appeal, so to speak. Then again, name recognition isn’t everything either.

Edited by Silberpfeil, 26 July 2019 - 16:23.


#148 Disgrace

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 16:40

Yeah, I'd keep Paffett. He showed some flashes of qualifying pace in particular, enough to make it distasteful if he was dumped given his long association with the brand. 



#149 Anja

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 17:07

Yeah, they're all solid but you'd think such a big brand would want someone a bit more high-profile for their big debut. 



#150 maximilian

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 17:55

As I said in another thread, I'd bring in Bottas for a season while running Ocon in F1.  Or get Rosberg to make a comeback.  Or indeed go sign up Alonso.  Or yes, ANYTHING that's halfway exciting!  Hell, even bringing Maro Engel back would maybe make more sense.  Bringing Pascal Wehrlein back home.  Mick Schumacher!  :lol: