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#1 liamski

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 14:50

Jo Saward (and Eddie Jordan) seems to think so... maybe a swap with Williams, with William's switching to Renault?

 

https://www.motorspo...logsf1/id/00559



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#2 Marklar

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:00

Williams just extended, so if anything they can only swap with Racing Point, but they have become much closer to Mercedes recently by using their wind tunnel and buying their entire rear from them.

Ain't going to happen

#3 SparkPlug86

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:03

Yep, thats a non starter. Rumored earlier in the year and then Williams extended their deal.



#4 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:04

Could Williams’s sell the contract to McLaren?

Can’t see it happening tho.

#5 liamski

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:22

Yep, thats a non starter. Rumored earlier in the year and then Williams extended their deal.

The contract extension could be very lucrative for Williams should the swap happen. Will be much more expensive for McLaren to buy out a 5-year Merc contract than a 1 year one (Williams' original contract was until end of 2020). Other than money though can't see what's in it for Williams should it happen.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:26

Williams just extended, so if anything they can only swap with Racing Point, but they have become much closer to Mercedes recently by using their wind tunnel and buying their entire rear from them.

Ain't going to happen

Mercedes can supply engines to three teams.

#7 Button4life

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:33

There’s a McLaren return to Mercedes tumor every year and every year it’s false. There’s no reason why McLaren would switch to Mercedes. Especially now Mercedes doesn’t even have the best engine

Edited by Button4life, 27 September 2019 - 15:33.


#8 Marklar

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:33

Mercedes can supply engines to three teams.

While this is true I think they've said before that after the experience they made with supplying 3 teams and how many resources that takes, they'd rather stick to two teams.

Edited by Marklar, 27 September 2019 - 15:33.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:34

There’s a McLaren return to Mercedes tumor every year and every year it’s false. There’s no reason why McLaren would switch to Mercedes. Especially now Mercedes doesn’t even have the best engine

 

It'd still be an improvement over Renault which is all they need in order to be top of the midfield and challenge for top 6 positions.



#10 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:38

There’s a McLaren return to Mercedes tumor every year and every year it’s false. There’s no reason why McLaren would switch to Mercedes. Especially now Mercedes doesn’t even have the best engine

Mercedes has the best of the available engines

McLaren Ferrari - no way

 

any other engine is going to be worse than Mercedes



#11 pacificquay

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:41

Jonathan Noble is reporting it.

 

I'd say it's 100% happening for 2021.



#12 kernel

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:43

McLaren Ferrari is even less likely to happen now that McLaren is publicly-listed has public securities and is a direct Ferrari competitors with its lineup of exotic and supercars.


Edited by kernel, 27 September 2019 - 16:32.


#13 LightningMcQueen

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 15:52

Great news.. doesn’t yet have the outright power of Ferrari but close and stronger in other ways.. and if any team will find that missing power it will be Mercedes..

Also - once Mercedes decide to get out then mclaren will be in pole position to resume their constructor deal.

#14 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:00

Mercedes need McLaren more than McLaren need Mercedes.

Ferrari have Haas and Alfa to a help development

Mercedes have Williams and an under performing Racing Point.

Honda have the Bulls

Renault have a sinking ship

#15 GoldenColt

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:01

What are the chances of Mercedes pulling out of F1 by the end of next season and McLaren becoming their worksteam again?



#16 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:03

What are the chances of Mercedes pulling out of F1 by the end of next season and McLaren becoming their worksteam again?

Zero.

#17 wj_gibson

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:13

Zero.

 

Are you quite sure about that? When Germany is heading toward recession? F1 works teams are one of the first things to go under when the balance sheet suffers as we all saw in 2008. This could be a smart move from McLaren.


Edited by wj_gibson, 27 September 2019 - 16:14.


#18 Lights

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:18

McLaren and engines is a bit like Alonso and teams.

 

A combination of bad luck and bad decisions results in never having the right one on the right moment.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:18

McLaren Ferrari is even less likely to happen now that McLaren is publicly-listed and a direct Ferrari competitors with its lineup of exotic and supercars.

 

McLaren is not publicly-listed and is unlikely to be so for the foreseeable future.  ;)



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#20 pacificquay

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:28

McLaren and engines is a bit like Alonso and teams.

 

A combination of bad luck and bad decisions results in never having the right one on the right moment.

 

They had the right one for most of the 20 seasons they ran Merc before



#21 kernel

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:33

McLaren is not publicly-listed and is unlikely to be so for the foreseeable future.  ;)

 

Of course, I meant that it now has publicly-traded securities (bonds) and is pumping a lot of money into its road cars which directly compete with Ferrari's.



#22 MikeV1987

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:37

Great news, I wish it would happen in 2020.

#23 P123

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 16:59

Signing so early... may leave McLaren next season in the same situation they had back in 2014 with very restricted access to engine info.

#24 Anja

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:03

Right, because with Merc engine they would be mixing it up with the top teams for sure  :rolleyes:

 

I don't see much point to this to be honest. All four engines are the closest they've ever been in the hybrid era.


Edited by Anja, 27 September 2019 - 17:13.


#25 HP

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:04

Renault stopping even as engine supplier?

 

They had the right one for most of the 20 seasons they ran Merc before

True, but there was no Mercedes works back team. Being ahead of Renault is one thing, but ahead of Mercedes, that's moving goal posts further up.



#26 Mc_Silver

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:05

If it is reported by Noble I'm sure it is big possibility. McLaren-Mercedes reunion sounds nice.:)

#27 HP

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:09

Signing so early... may leave McLaren next season in the same situation they had back in 2014 with very restricted access to engine info.

That might not be as bad. I can easily see McLaren remaining the best non-works team on current form. Renault might overtake them in the WCC next year.

 

Looking back, the route Honda Renault back to Mercedes seems a bit unnecessary. Of course, the Honda situation is 20/20 hindsight.



#28 steferrari

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:10

I think it's the best move for McLaren.

The Mercedes PU is very strong, and if one day they decide to retire from F1 as a works team, then McLaren would be their #1 partner again, like in the past.



#29 Atreiu

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:13

Great news.



#30 kumo7

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:21

Kinda more interesting to read that McLaren wil part ways with Renault.

 

Just that I have still not certainty that it wil go with Merc.

 

Porsche? Not possible?



#31 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:27

McLaren are just a midfielder now. They wouldn’t bother the big boys no matter what engine.

#32 Lerdes

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:33

While this is true I think they've said before that after the experience they made with supplying 3 teams and how many resources that takes, they'd rather stick to two teams.

 

Unless they're out after 2020 as a team.



#33 liamski

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:39

Kinda more interesting to read that McLaren wil part ways with Renault.

 

Just that I have still not certainty that it wil go with Merc.

 

Porsche? Not possible?

Would love to see a partnership but as with Ferrari I think the clash of road car brands would scupper that one?



#34 Clrnc

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:41

Why are people so confident it's not going to happen? There are many reliable sources saying its pretty much done for 2021. Makes zero sense but hey, Mclaren management knows more than us



#35 Myrvold

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:42

Jo Saward (and Eddie Jordan) seems to think so...

 

That's a hard one... Saward says it, so I don't think it will happen, but Jordan says it, so I think it will happen. :stoned:



#36 tbones

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 17:52

McLaren-Mercedes has a nice ring to it.   It was that way for so long, I had a hard time saying McLaren-Renault, McLaren-Honda wasn't as funny sounding from the history of the 80's with them.   

 

But I guess my back pack that I got at Indy in the LOTI days, can be pulled out of Storage and used again. :cool:



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:39

Ain't going to happen

 

McLaren switches to Mercedes - Mercedes to supply 4 teams from 2021

 

https://www.auto-mot...otoren-ab-2021/


Edited by beachdrifter, 27 September 2019 - 18:41.


#38 ExEd

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:46

McLaren are just a midfielder now. They wouldn’t bother the big boys no matter what engine.


Feeling uncomfortable huh ? 😂😂😂

#39 Henri Greuter

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:48

Imagine that history repeats itsef yet again!!!

 

I mean...

 

McLaren-Honda Mk1 vs McLaren-Honda Mk2 ....

McLaren-Mercedes Mk1 vs ....

 

 

more serious this time.

 

What I think to be curious is the fact that mercedes since the days of the Hybrids neer cared about supplying a team that could be a real thread for them (Read RedBull) and only supplied minnow teams. I indstantly add to this that I'm sure that the raise of Force India most likely was also a result of their engine.

 

And all of a sudden, when it appears that at long last their engine package is no longer the best one in the business anymore, they all of a sudden do sign up one of what can be rated the top teams within F1 ! Almost as if at last they realize that they need to strngthen their position as engine builders again now the factory team appears to be in danger to be overthrown....



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#40 AustinF1

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:52

Jonathan Noble is reporting it.

 

I'd say it's 100% happening for 2021.

Motorsport, too.

 

IMHO it could lead to something bigger down the road, too. Merc won't be a factory team in F1 forever.



#41 TomNokoe

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:53

Wow, that's a surprise.

#42 AustinF1

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:54

What are the chances of Mercedes pulling out of F1 by the end of next season and McLaren becoming their worksteam again?

I've been thinking about this one for a while, too. Dunno about the timeline ...



#43 AustinF1

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:54

McLaren switches to Mercedes - Mercedes to supply 4 teams from 2021

 

https://www.auto-mot...otoren-ab-2021/

4 teams? How does that work?

 

ETA: That actually makes it seem more likely that Merc might leave imho.


Edited by AustinF1, 27 September 2019 - 18:56.


#44 peroa

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:56

Hmm, that can only mean that Renault is seriously reconsidering their involvement in F1.



#45 AustinF1

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:57

Hmm, that can only mean that Renault is seriously reconsidering their involvement in F1.

Or ...



#46 Marklar

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:58

McLaren switches to Mercedes - Mercedes to supply 4 teams from 2021

https://www.auto-mot...otoren-ab-2021/

That's the same rumour recycled

4 teams? How does that work?

ETA: That actually makes it seem more likely that Merc might leave imho.

their own team+3

Tho its weird for McLaren to return, unless they see chances of a works team status

#47 Joseki

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 18:59

Pros:

- McLaren gets a free power and reliability boost.
- McLaren is now "first in line" for the factory deal if Mercedes pulls the plug on their factory team.
- They will save some money.

Cons:

- They will be just one of many customer teams in F1
- Another cycle of bad engine integration and poor communication with their engine suppliers for possibly 2020 and 2021.

#48 jstrains

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 19:01

AMUS saying the deal is done and will be confirmed during Russian GP. McL is afraid of not being treated equally by Renault when fighting for positions in WCC and it is cheaper too

#49 AustinF1

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 19:04

That's the same rumour recycled

their own team+3

Tho its weird for McLaren to return, unless they see chances of a works team status

Ah, I was thinking they could only supply themselves +2 more. 

 

Definitely agree re: the bold portion.



#50 mgs315

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 19:05

Or ...


I’m thinking both trains of thought. Renault don’t want to hang around, nor do Mercedes. Renault get their customers off the books, Merc want a decent team to spearhead their engine program after pulling out of F1 as a full works team.