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[ANF]

Topic title should be changed to What is 'AlphaTauri'?

[Sterzo]

To English ears it will sound like Half a Tory.

[Beri]

PayasYouRace, on 28 Sept 2019 - 08:27, said:

You know you want to:

If such a livery will follow, I'll buy every item of the brand there is.

[ATM]

Alfa Centauri, Alderbaran...this thread reminds me of “The forever war” novel😀

[BalanceUT]

BRG, on 28 Sept 2019 - 19:40, said:

Typical F1 fan forum reaction.....'Urgh, they want to change something, I hate it'.  

Rarely have truer words been written here. 

[r4mses]

I thought "BMW Sauber" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Force India" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Racing Point" sounds stupid. Got used to it. Guess I'll get used to "AlphaTauri", too.

[noikeee]

r4mses, on 29 Sept 2019 - 22:39, said:

I thought "BMW Sauber" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Force India" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Racing Point" sounds stupid. Got used to it. Guess I'll get used to "AlphaTauri", too.

You forgot Super Aguri.

BMW Sauber Ferrari was one of its kind, though. Specially since it didn't involve BMW anymore.

[loki]

Sterzo, on 28 Sept 2019 - 21:20, said:

To English ears it will sound like Half a Tory.

So pretty much like Boris Johnson?...

[JeePee]

r4mses, on 29 Sept 2019 - 22:39, said:

I thought "BMW Sauber" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Force India" sounds stupid. Got used to it. I thought "Racing Point" sounds stupid. Got used to it. Guess I'll get used to "AlphaTauri", too.

I'm still calling it Force India. 

 

Raikkonen does too 

[PayasYouRace]

noikeee, on 29 Sept 2019 - 23:50, said:

You forgot Super Aguri.

Everything in Japan is Super though. Super Formula, Super GT, etc.

[taran]

noikeee, on 29 Sept 2019 - 23:50, said:

You forgot Super Aguri.

BMW Sauber Ferrari was one of its kind, though. Specially since it didn't involve BMW anymore.

 

Agree. And unfortunately it probably paved the way for Aston Martin Red Bull Honda....
 

[PayasYouRace]

Marklar, on 28 Sept 2019 - 08:21, said:

Looks black&white

http://ksl-projects....ftzug-Claim.jpg

Looking at it again, it’s a decent logo though. It includes the (not so) Red Bull, and the letters alpha and tau. Fairly clever.

[Spillage]

Bit of a shame I think. I like their current livery.

[Dennista]

This team is an abomination which must be purged.

[absinthedude]

Diablobb81, on 28 Sept 2019 - 11:34, said:

I hope they veto it. Identical names on the grid is stupid.

 

They're not identical. 

 

Alfa-Romeo

 

Alpha Tauri

 

 

 

I do wonder if this is the beginning of the end of Red Bull using STR as a training ground for young drivers. 

[V8 Fireworks]

Dennista, on 30 Sept 2019 - 10:54, said:

This team is an abomination which must be purged.

 

 

Toro Rosso is a superb and fine team. 

[Marklar]

absinthedude, on 30 Sept 2019 - 11:03, said:

I do wonder if this is the beginning of the end of Red Bull using STR as a training ground for young drivers. 

Why? Alpha Tauri is a RB brand

[KWSN - DSM]

PayasYouRace, on 30 Sept 2019 - 10:20, said:

Looking at it again, it’s a decent logo though. It includes the (not so) Red Bull, and the letters alpha and tau. Fairly clever.

 

It is a horrible logo, if you don't know it's an 'a' you don't know it's an 'a' - A logo which is not immediately and intuitively recognizable is a bad logo.

 

[KWSN - DSM]

Marklar, on 30 Sept 2019 - 21:29, said:

Why? Alpha Tauri is a RB brand

 

So call it Alpha Tauri Torro Rosso, or Torro Rosso Alpha Tauri.

 

[NikL]

What is it with teams coming up with stupid names? I thought Force India, HRT and Racing Point was bad enough.

[macfannz]

NixxxoN, on 28 Sept 2019 - 10:56, said:

Well, thanks for the info I guess, but I think most people learn that in primary school, in my case it was like 25 years ago, but maybe thats just me because I like astronomy

I forgot about Taurus, I never called it tauri, but maybe its just a language thing.
Actually I like team Aldebaran name more than AlphaTauri

 

Yes it is a language thing. Tauri is the genitive case of Taurus. Not used in English but I think the Latin rules apply to constellations. Just sayin!

[Beri]

Did Sean Bull yet made a livery mock-up of Alpha Tauri? Or anyone else?

[PiperPa42]

KWSN - DSM, on 30 Sept 2019 - 23:10, said:

So call it Alpha Tauri Torro Rosso, or Torro Rosso Alpha Tauri.

Why?

Why shouldn’t also be Mercedes Brawn Honda British American Racing Tyrrell, or MBHBART?

Companies change name all the time.

[KWSN - DSM]

PiperPa42, on 01 Oct 2019 - 07:21, said:

Why?

Why shouldn’t also be Mercedes Brawn Honda British American Racing Tyrrell, or MBHBART?

Companies change name all the time.

 

Because I see it as a naming sponsor rather than a name change, the name change is stupid, having a nameing / head sponsor is done all the time, this season started with these teams on the grid:

 

• Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
• Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
• Scuderia Ferrari
• Rich Energy Haas F1 Team
• Renault F1 Team
• Alfa Romeo Racing
• SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team
• Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda
• McLaren F1 Team
• ROKiT Williams Racing

You can see how sponsors become part of team name, without the team losing it's identity.

 

[Kalmake]

Are they dropping Red Bull from the name? Because that's their identity. Red Bull slave team.

[ElectricBoogie]

I'm more likely to buy Minardi branded clothing, but who am I....

[absinthedude]

Kalmake, on 01 Oct 2019 - 08:40, said:

Are they dropping Red Bull from the name? Because that's their identity. Red Bull slave team.

 

That's why I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of the team in question acting as a training ground for the Red Bull project. 

[Tsarwash]

PayasYouRace, on 30 Sept 2019 - 10:20, said:

Looking at it again, it’s a decent logo though. It includes the (not so) Red Bull, and the letters alpha and tau. Fairly clever.

Sort of. Without the text below, you would have no idea whatsoever what letter the second character is supposed to be. The new F1 logo might be a bit crap, but at least it is instantly legible. 

[PayasYouRace]

Tsarwash, on 01 Oct 2019 - 11:04, said:

Sort of. Without the text below, you would have no idea whatsoever what letter the second character is supposed to be. The new F1 logo might be a bit crap, but at least it is instantly legible.

A logo only has to be recognisable for what it is, not whether you can instantly read the hidden Greek letters. It’s a subtle detail that if you don’t notice it it’s not going to make the logo less recognisable.

[Stephane]

The Nike "swoosh" is a good exemple. It doesn't mean anything when you don't know what it is. 

[Afterburner]

Marklar, on 28 Sept 2019 - 08:21, said:

Looks black&white

http://ksl-projects....ftzug-Claim.jpg

While the idea of incorporating the Greek alphabet into the logo is cool, I definitely feel they missed a trick here. The ‘alpha’ not being continuous makes it look like the bull is jumping out of ‘CST’.

[Marklar]

Approved https://www.motorspo...-tauri/4558791/

[Anja]

Well, I look forward to the commentators still calling them Toro Rosso for the next two years or so. 

[Barty]

Well, at least we will have a lot fewer misspellings of Toro Rosso...

[Marklar]

AlfaTuri/AlfaTaurri

I wouldnt be so sure of that

Also cant unsee this now https://twitter.com/...9752225793?s=19

Edited by Marklar, 16 October 2019 - 12:21.

[Andy35]

Marklar, on 16 Oct 2019 - 12:18, said:

AlfaTuri/AlfaTaurri

I wouldnt be so sure of that

Also cant unsee this now https://twitter.com/...9752225793?s=19

 

So it is tow - ree   and not tor - ri 

 

I can see the Sky f1 team getting it all wrong and being slaughtered on here  

 

It's marketing gone mad

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=7qNj-QFZbew

 

 

Andy

[Andy35]

Barty, on 16 Oct 2019 - 12:16, said:

Well, at least we will have a lot fewer misspellings of Toro Rosso...

 

Pah,  everyone refers to them as The F1  2019 socially transmitted disease...

 

STR

 

You can't get that acronym wrong

 

Adny

[Andy35]

Anja, on 16 Oct 2019 - 12:56, said:

I just always assumed that it's tow-ree, nothing else even crossed my mind. But maybe as English is not my first language I just don't try to automatically fit every "foreign" word into English pronounciation. 

 

 

Well being elderly and having spoke the Queens English for half a century, I can tell you right off the bat, and no mistake...

 

I have no clue until the alpha male Helmut Marko  says it from his very own lips.

 

Andy

Edited by Andy35, 16 October 2019 - 13:00.

[pacificquay]

It’s not a bad name as such, but having Alpha and Alfa will be confusing 

[vee10]

Edited by vee10, 16 October 2019 - 14:32.

[Mohican]

pacificquay, on 16 Oct 2019 - 13:50, said:

It’s not a bad name as such, but having Alpha and Alfa will be confusing 

 

Alfa Romeo (under that name) has only been around since 1918...don't think that the risk of confusing the two is that big.

[BobbyRicky]

pacificquay, on 16 Oct 2019 - 13:50, said:

It’s not a bad name as such, but having Alpha and Alfa will be confusing 

 

Could be worse. It could have been another BMW Sauber Ferrari.

[ANF]

Andy35, on 16 Oct 2019 - 12:44, said:

So it is tow - ree   and not tor - ri 
 
I can see the Sky f1 team getting it all wrong and being slaughtered on here  
 
It's marketing gone mad
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=7qNj-QFZbew
 
 
Andy

Interesting! But that the -au- in Tauri sounds more like thaw-ree or saw-ree than tow-ree, doesn't it? In English, that is. I think Tauri in Latin would sound more like how-ree or Toby Sowery. Not like tow-ree.

[PayasYouRace]

I’ve heard the letter Tau being pronounced both ways: “tor” and “tao” so I assume both are correct and it’s probably a regional thing. I’ve always used the latter in engineering situations.

[ANF]

(as genitive Tauri /ˈtɔːriː/) Used with preceding letter or numeral to designate a star in the constellation Taurus.
https://www.lexico.c...finition/taurus

Slam dunk case closed!

[Maustinsj]

Andy35, on 16 Oct 2019 - 13:00, said:

Well being elderly and having spoke the Queens English for half a century, I can tell you right off the bat, and no mistake...

I have no clue until the alpha male Helmut Marko says it from his very own lips.

Andy

*spoken

[Thanatos]

I'm obviously out of step with fashion and the price of normal day to day clothes.

 

£45 for a standard t-shirt?!

£90 for a normal office work shirt!?

 

Call the car, what they like, but can't see them shifting much merch at these prices...

[Fatgadget]

Wow. This team has changed names than most people have changed their underwear!

[ATM]

So we probably get a black and white car next year.
Sure hope Haas will change their current livery, otherwise I’m gonna be more confused than the Mercedes- Force India-McLaren grey saga.

[steferrari]

Stupid decision in my opinion.

Names shouldn't be changed.

 

They could have simply put AlphaTauri in the team's full name (like Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow or Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport) and maintain Toro Rosso.