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[BRG]

2024 is Go!

 

Jannerrallye( A)  5 January

Monte Carlo Rally (F) 24 January

Arctic Lapland Rally (SF) 1 February

Rally Sweden (SW) 15 February

 

And many, many more all over the world.  The WRC may be moribund but the sport of rallying worldwide is alive and kicking.  It is run for competitors and spectators -  and if the manufacturers don't want to play, so be it.  We can get on perfectly well without them.

 

 

 

 

[ArnageWRC]

Well done BRG......

 

Rallying is more than the WRC, which doesn't always translate on here......

 

Really looking forward to going to the ERC Rali Bae Ceredigion later this year; I hope they get a good entry.

[AlexPrime]

And Dakar also starts this weekend 

[Risil]

And Dakar also starts this weekend

Anyone got the thread?

[Alex79]

Anyone got the thread?

On it

 

https://forums.autos.../#entry10473041

[ArnageWRC]

Remember the Dakar is actually a part of a FiA/FIM World Championship........and not a 'one off' event.

[ArnageWRC]

Jannerrallye has a live stream on You Tube....

 

[Henri Greuter]

In the past, I extended "the Triple Crown" version Without WDC F1 but with the Monaco GP instead with the Rallye de Monte Carlo to create my  "Grand Slam" of motor racing.

I even remember the years when is was told on the Dutch news who had won the Monte Carlo that year. Days and years long gone by now.

 

But somewhere in the late 90's or thereabout I lost my fascination for active rallying. Though I still like the days of the past till, say somewhere in the mid 90's.

 

For the Dutch posters over here, I might drag up my copy of "Het grote rallye Avontuur" by Anthony van Kampen another time to read about a Prewar Monte Carlo in the old style another time.

I doubt if any of the current hitech stuff on wheels could deal with an event like the old Monte's of the past. But no way we can find out about that anymore.

[ArnageWRC]

Ah, like all WRC events, Rallye Monte-Carlo isn't the same as it was; it has to fit the WRC format - whereas the Indy 500, Le Mans 24 are still basically the same as they've always been; not shortened, or butchered to fit modern audiences.

[Hellow]

https://www.reddit.c...ia_back_to_wrc/

So Lancia perhaps returning to rallying?

[Anja]

Just a shame that the new Ypsilon is absolutely hideous. 

[Hellow]

Just a shame that the new Ypsilon is absolutely hideous. 

Yeah they used to be very hideous. Not sure about the incoming 2024 version. There is no actual photos of it yet - at least to my knowledge. Only sneeky peeks like these https://www.autoevol...208-225922.html

There should be also incoming a new Delta in next few years.

Edited by Hellow, 06 January 2024 - 09:37.

[Anja]

There are some leaks of the new one. The current one is a beauty in comparison. 

 

Edited by Anja, 06 January 2024 - 09:40.

[Hellow]

There are some leaks of the new one. The current one is a beauty in comparison. 

 

Oh dear

[Myrvold]

There are some leaks of the new one. The current one is a beauty in comparison. 

 

wow.

[noikeee]

A face only a mother could love.

[BCM]

Anyone know what the vents on the side of the rear guards just behind the doors on the Yaris are for?

Edited by BCM, 24 January 2024 - 08:35.

[Alex79]

There are some leaks of the new one. The current one is a beauty in comparison.

yep, the copy paste DS front isn't a good idea. from the back it's more like an Alfa MiTo

[Myrvold]

Anyone know what the vents on the side of the rear guards just behind the doors on the Yaris are for?

 

Cooling the hybrid system/batteries.

[BCM]

Ah cheers. Was just watching some shakedown videos and the Yaris has a heap of fans at the back of the car as well. Must need a lot of cooling. Although in the video I saw they only had one spinning on the start line. Guess it's cold enough at the Monte they don't need max cooling.

[Henri Greuter]

yep, the copy paste DS front isn't a good idea. from the back it's more like an Alfa MiTo

 

 

 

Due to one element of the design of the rear, I recognize a faint link of being family to the fabulous Stratos.....

[Yamamoto]

I only just realised that the WRC has adopted a new and more complicated points system for this year. Kudos.

[JRodrigues]

I believe Evans is a step above everyone else on tarmac. Those were fantastic images on the 2nd stage 

[FLB]

 

Edited by FLB, 26 January 2024 - 01:36.

[Anja]

Those were some amazing scenes yesterday. Despite everything there's still life in the WRC 

Edited by Anja, 26 January 2024 - 10:49.

[Stephane]

And already (or is it again ?) rumours about Rally1 cars being abandoned soon and Rally2 becoming the top category.


Also no one understands why the new point system.

[eab]

And already (or is it again ?) rumours about Rally1 cars being abandoned soon and Rally2 becoming the top category.


Also no one understands why the new point system.

Of course we do, it's "embraced in order to spice up the final day of events."

A great bonus, I'm sure unintended, is that it keeps gaps in the championship nice and small.

 

It's ridiculous really, the gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than that between 2nd and 3rd, and as big as that between 1st and 2nd:

18-15-13-10-8-6-4-3-2-1

 

Also, the one in 3rd could score more points than the winner of the rally, and the one in P2: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 are the points on Sunday.

And that's still without the PS's.

[Ruusperi]

Ogier crying at the end of SS05. He said he will tell about it after the rally. My immediate thought was that his father or mother has passed away. But would he continue rally after such news?

[Stephane]

Uncle, apparently a big part of his fan club also

[BRG]

Of course we do, it's "embraced in order to spice up the final day of events."

A great bonus, I'm sure unintended, is that it keeps gaps in the championship nice and small.

 

It's ridiculous really, the gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than that between 2nd and 3rd, and as big as that between 1st and 2nd:

18-15-13-10-8-6-4-3-2-1

 

Also, the one in 3rd could score more points than the winner of the rally, and the one in P2: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 are the points on Sunday.

And that's still without the PS's.

Consider those deckchairs on the Titanic well and truly re-arranged.  Nobody seems to lay claim to this genius decision or thinks it is a good idea, so it must have just materialised in the regulations by magic.

[Myrvold]

Of course we do, it's "embraced in order to spice up the final day of events."

A great bonus, I'm sure unintended, is that it keeps gaps in the championship nice and small.

 

It's ridiculous really, the gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than that between 2nd and 3rd, and as big as that between 1st and 2nd:

18-15-13-10-8-6-4-3-2-1

 

Also, the one in 3rd could score more points than the winner of the rally, and the one in P2: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 are the points on Sunday.

And that's still without the PS's.

 

I was easily able to create a scenario where the rally winner ends up scoring the 4th/5th most points in a weekend. What a mess.

 

And like Latvala said after the day finished, he would expect some drivers who lost out a bit today to decide to save tyres and take it calmer, to have a better chance to score more points on Sunday.

So they've basically just moved the "slow, safe driving" from Sunday to Friday/Saturday.

[Yamamoto]

Amidst all the arithmetic, promising youngster Thierry Neuville has surged into the lead.

[Stephane]

they are fighting for those first saturday points, that's for sure

[ClubmanGT]

Award points for winning stages and then hand out multipliers for the final positions (ex 5x for 1st, 3x for 2nd, 2x for 3rd). Some incentive to push the whole rally and would reward drivers who are consistently the fastest - but you might also get some absolute hail mary drives with mega risky tyre choices as people try to snipe the odd stage win here and there. 

[Stephane]

i'd say points per day + final result

[messy]

Sorry about being late to the party here, I don’t follow the WRC as much as I used to.

This new points system is absolute insanity. Are they trying to bin the WRC off completely or what? Is like NASCAR only worse - you could finish fourth and get the most points. I don’t understand anything about it expect that it’s a **** idea.

[noikeee]

Of course we do, it's "embraced in order to spice up the final day of events."
A great bonus, I'm sure unintended, is that it keeps gaps in the championship nice and small.

It's ridiculous really, the gap between 3rd and 4th is bigger than that between 2nd and 3rd, and as big as that between 1st and 2nd:
18-15-13-10-8-6-4-3-2-1

Also, the one in 3rd could score more points than the winner of the rally, and the one in P2: 7-6-5-4-3-2-1 are the points on Sunday.
And that's still without the PS's.

Aaaaarrrggggh

Wtf??

I love rallying but might as well just not watch for good then. This is stupid.

[Taxi]

This point system is ridiculous. They are trying to fix rally in the wrong way, Points were not the problem. 

[Anja]

If they're so worried about drivers cruising on Sunday to save tyres for the power stage, just move the power stage to the start of the rally 

 

Or, you know, drop it altogether...

Edited by Anja, 28 January 2024 - 11:40.

[ArnageWRC]

Cruising happens in a lot of motorsports - it's a part of the sport. Minimise risks towards the end of an event....I've never had an issue with it. As ever, it's not addressing the issues in the sport.......

[Stephane]

Neuville taking maximum points

Ahead of a part timer.

[Jvr]

The new points system is an absolute joke. The only thing worse than that system is that in the WRC homepage there is not even a summary of Sunday times so that nobody can keep up what are the gaps and standings between the drivers during the "Super Sunday" stages. 

 

[Stephane]

At least, thre was something on the broadcast.

[OvDrone]

Finally, after so God damned long, Neuville wins his first Monte Carlo.

Should have happened back in 2017 and 2018 but here we are. 

Let's get that title! 



Btw, I can even bother with the points. It's way to convoluted to even try to wrap my head around. Shame on the FIA again. We desperately need new leadership there already.

[Stephane]

He won it in 2020...

[OvDrone]

Ah right...

Well I completely forgot about that season to be honest. 

I stand corrected, thanks Stephane.

 

 

 

He should have won his second in 2018, there, better. 


**** this points system.

[messy]

I really hope Neuville uses this to really get the ball rolling this season. I think he was underrated last season, in that he improved his really weak events like Finland and a couple of others beyond recognition, his 2023 might not have been perfect but making such a leap forward on those events gives me a bit of confidence that if he joins the dots this season he could really deliver. I still think he’s maybe the fastest guy out there.

Have we found out why Ogier was in floods of tears after a stage yesterday?

Edited by messy, 28 January 2024 - 13:42.

[Myrvold]

Have we found out why Ogier was in floods of tears after a stage yesterday?

 

Someone close to him, that helped him start his career and got him his first car (kart? car?) died. Ogier said he said good bye, or that he left or something along those lines on Monday.

[Myrvold]

**** this points system.

 

It's not like it stopped drivers from cruising either. There was just a lot of Saturday-cruising. Oh, and Katsuta today when he realized that the whole tactic with tyres for Sunday got screwed by the conditions on the first stage of Sunday.

 

Also. Gryazin scored 4 points, Lopez scored 2 points and Rossel 1 point in WRC/Overall Points. The same rally where Rossel scored 25, Lopez 18 and Gryazin 15 in WRC2. That is something that will be irritating for me if it keeps up like that during the season.

[ArnageWRC]

https://britishrally...onship-in-2024/

 

BRC highlights for ITV4/ ITVX.......And an hour long......