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Guenther Steiner replaced as Haas TP by Ayao Komatsu [split]


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#1 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 15:22

Resta leaving Haas, that can't be good.



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#2 hamilton10000

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 15:34

Lots of rumours that Steiner is out too! Potentially being announced in the next couple of hours

#3 macjim

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 15:52

Eeek and who would join this bin fire as their TPL ...........



#4 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 15:57

Nreally hope this doesn't mean a sale to Andretti. I want 11 teams

#5 BobbyRicky

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:07

Lots of rumours that Steiner is out too! Potentially being announced in the next couple of hours


Netflix in shambles now

#6 JimmyClark

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:09

Nreally hope this doesn't mean a sale to Andretti. I want 11 teams

 

Quite. Thouigh I have struggled to see the point of Haas for many years now, and it would make sense for Andretti to buy them if he wanted to. 

 

But I hope he holds out against the cartel personally... 



#7 FullThrottleF1

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:22

Another rumour from reddit is that all Haas employees were to attend a mandatory team meeting at 4 pm GMT

#8 eibyyz

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:41

Lots of rumours that Steiner is out too! Potentially being announced in the next couple of hours

 

He'll land on his feet.  He's got that CBS sitcom on the front burner.  Just wait until the non-disparagement period ends!



#9 midgrid

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:50

Steiner's profile on the Haas website (https://www.haasf1te...uenther-steiner) has been hidden/deleted.



#10 ARTGP

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:52

Something is afoot. Last month, there were iirc 1-2 senior technical team leaders who left Haas from departments that Haas could not afford to be letting go. I thought it was strange at the time because that would mean these departments were headless and well...haas can't afford those people leaving. 


Edited by ARTGP, 10 January 2024 - 16:56.


#11 thegamer23

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 16:53

He's part of Haas failure too, with his bad decisions and poor drivers management.

 

A change would be like a breath of fresh air.


Edited by thegamer23, 10 January 2024 - 16:54.


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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:02

Steiner's out! replaced by Ayao Komatsu.


Edited by aportinga, 10 January 2024 - 17:03.


#13 Muppetmad

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:03

Steiner out, Ayao Komatsu in.

 

https://racer.com/20...team-principal/



#14 Spillage

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:06

A huge blow for Netflix viewers the world over.

#15 Anja

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:07

 

 

In essence, Steiner was asking for more investment in an effort to keep up with rivals who are spending heavily on updated factory infrastructure, while Haas wanted to focus on making more efficient use of the resources that his team already has at its disposal.

 

https://www.motorspo...-role/10564487/

 

As much as I wasn't a fan of Steiner, in this context this move doesn't fill me with much confidence for the future of this team. 



#16 Risil

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:09

Huh, interesting. But Haas have had a pretty terrible time of late.

Wonder what the team's actual aspirations are though.

#17 midgrid

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:10

Spend as little money as possible whilst remaining in F1, apparently.



#18 juicy sushi

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:11

Ayao Komatsu in.

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#19 FLB

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:12

Spend as little money as possible whilst remaining in F1, apparently.

In other words, to make Gene Haas money.



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#20 Beri

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:12

Well that's a surprise that, despite the rumors, no one saw coming.

#21 Cadence

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:14

Noooooooooooo!

#22 Beri

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:14

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#23 Anja

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:17

In other words, to make Gene Haas money.

 

The question is, does it make more money by trundling around at the back of the grid than the billion dollars or thereabouts he could get from selling the team?



#24 midgrid

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:18

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#25 aportinga

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:20

Gene sells to Andretti?



#26 midgrid

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:20

Looking forward to the latest F1 grudge match!

 

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#27 Francesc

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:20

About time. He may be a good showman, but I think his working methods are from a past era.

#28 Cadence

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:21

It's gonna be so weird watching Drive To Survive this spring with Guenther in it knowing he's gone. :(

#29 Beri

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:21

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#30 RekF1

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:22

Guenther Steiner is Italian? I would never have guessed that.

#31 Jellyfishcake

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:22

I feel like the last few years he (and the team) have only been around for DTS memes and whatnot

 

So can't say I'll miss him that much as a non DTS viewer 



#32 Cadence

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:24

Haas finished dead last last year because their car eats tires.

That's not a team principle issue, it's an engineering issue.

So Gene decides to put the engineer in charge.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

Edited by Cadence, 10 January 2024 - 17:25.


#33 eibyyz

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:25

Gene sells to Andretti?

 

Naw.  If that were the case, Gene wouldn't have promoted Komatsu.  

 

But there's another thing--Michael's got his infrastructure (including TP) lined up and working.  There'd be a lot of unwinding to do at HAAS--which costs money.  

 

Also, if Gene did sell--it'd be Sauber all over again.  Gene'd want to keep control in addition to the $ Michael/Towriss coughed up.


Edited by eibyyz, 10 January 2024 - 17:29.


#34 Mark521

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:26

Gene sells to Andretti?

 

Well, with these recent personnel changes it make it easier, i.e. no big contract buy-outs.  I would suspect both drivers will be gone next year anyway so this "property" has been cleaned up to be ready for a sale.

 

It's a shame (at least to me) but it's not been working for quite a while.



#35 midgrid

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:28

Guenther Steiner is Italian? I would never have guessed that.

 

He's from the German-speaking region of South Tyrol, which has close connections to Austria (in which neighbouring North and East Tyrol are located).



#36 rocque

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:28

Have you at least learned enough to do better next year?

NH: We have to prove that first. I can't answer that with confidence now. We probably have to position ourselves a little differently internally so that the same thing doesn't happen again.

Is it related?

https://forums.autos...as-2024-thread/


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#37 FLB

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:28

Guenther Steiner is Italian? I would never have guessed that.

He's from Bolzano. Süd Tirol or Alto Adige, if you prefer.

 

The part of Italy that used to be Austria.


Edited by FLB, 11 January 2024 - 00:55.


#38 Mark521

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:29

Naw.  If that were the case, Gene wouldn't have promoted Komatsu.  

 

But there's another thing--Michael's got his infrastructure (including TP) lined up and working.  There'd be a lot of unwinding to do at HAAS--which costs money.  

 

Also, if Gene did sell--it's be Sauber all over again.  Gene'd want to keep control in addition to the $ Michael/Towriss coughed up.

 

You have to have a TP for this season and the sale wouldn't be closed in time for Andretti's team to take over for this season. I'd expect the sale date to be effective at the end of the 2024 season (IF it happens of course).



#39 AustinF1

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:37

Steiner out, Ayao Komatsu in.

 

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I wonder if Gene's finally selling up - maybe to Andretti? I'd rather see Andretti in as the 11th team, but if this is the only way, then so be it. Instant upgrade. Such complete bullshit though since there is room for at least 2 more teams.


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#40 eibyyz

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:42

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I wonder if Gene's finally selling up - maybe to Andretti? I'd rather see Andretti in as the 11th team, but if this is the only way, then so be it. Instant upgrade. Such complete bullshit though since there is room for at least 2 more teams.

 

Yep, that would do nothing to reduce the backlog of capable drivers on both sides of the Atlantic.



#41 ARTGP

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:43

I don't think it means he is selling. Alpine sacked a bunch of people but haven't sold either (well, they sold some of the team for the purpose of fundraising for Alpine cars expansion but you get the idea). 


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#42 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:43

I am surprised over this, I will miss Steiner at Haas, I think  he was good for the team. I have zero idea of how Komatsu will do, zero idea of how he can do differently. It will surprise me if we have seen the last of Steiner in F1.



#43 Nathan

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:51

He's part of Haas failure too, with his bad decisions and poor drivers management.

 

He had the same pairing in place for 4 years, and neither wanted to leave.  One came back.  Then another highly professional F1 driver joined and still wants to stay.  One year he is put in the financial soup and takes on pay drivers.  These comments are the sign of a Mick fan.  He couldn't cut it, deal with it.



#44 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:55

Assume Resta back to Ferrari after he was “leased” there, or now a free agent?

#45 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:56

Will this mean anything for Hulkenberg and Magnussen?



#46 jwill189

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 17:58

Haas finished dead last last year because their car eats tires.

That's not a team principle issue, it's an engineering issue.

So Gene decides to put the engineer in charge.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

 

Haas' competitiveness at the start of the season is correlated to how good the Ferrari is because most of the car comes from them. Think 2018 and 2022 when the Ferrari was strong.

 

For a team that spends the bare minimum, I agree that getting rid of Steiner is pointless.



#47 Frood

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 18:15

He's from Bolzano. Süd Tirol or Alto Adige, if you prefer.

The part of italy that used to be Austria.


Reminds me of that bit in DtS where he's going around with Mattia Binotto - the one you think isn't Italian is, and the one you think is Italian isn't!

#48 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 18:19

I don’t think Steiner has ever really been a good team principle, going back to the Jaguar days…although he was apparently very good in his other roles at Ford.

 

If it wasn’t for the DTS kids love-in, he’d have been gone a couple of years ago. In fact, the comments about being gutted he’s left and will be missing from DTS across social media are all a bit cringing to be honest. He’s a team principle, not an actor or entertainer.



#49 TomNokoe

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 18:24

I never took to his foksmash management style. Seemed abrasive and counterproductive.

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Posted 10 January 2024 - 18:27

Haas' competitiveness at the start of the season is correlated to how good the Ferrari is because most of the car comes from them. Think 2018 and 2022 when the Ferrari was strong.

 

For a team that spends the bare minimum, I agree that getting rid of Steiner is pointless.

 

They supposedly were spending at the budget cap last year after bringing in Moneygram. Those words were right from Steiner's mouth.

 

Hulk's comments about no upgrades, again, last season were telling.

 

Steiner consistently said they would not bring upgrades to the track unless they showed benefits in the tunnel while it has been shown the tunnel doesn't always equate to on track performance. The upgrade they did finally bring at the end of the season didn't correlate with what they saw in the tunnel for instance.

 

I don't know that Komatsu is the answer, but I've been of the opinion Steiner has been holding the team back for some time.