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[Makarias]

Welcome to join season seventeen of Shareholders!

Previous Seasons' champions:
2008: an1res
2009: swiniodzik
2010: Grayson
2011: Grayson
2012: Grayson
2013: Costaz
2014: brunopascal
2015: Grayson
2016: Grayson
2017: thegforcemaybewithyou
2018: Apex
2019: jjcale
2020: GTA
2021: Anderis
2022: LB
2023: Anderis

Rules are the same as previous years:

How to play the game
The players will be owning shares (100 each) of the drivers participating in the F1 WDC! When a driver scores points* in an F1 race, each share owned in that driver will score points to the shareholders in question. The more shares there are owned in a driver, the lesser the return will be for each share. This means that it can be more profitable to own shares in a midfielder who scores just a few points but has proportionally few shares held on him than a frontrunner finishing on the podium.
*Only top 10 points from (supposed) full length races, no sprint race or Fastest Lap points. Races cut short that don't score full points in the WDC are scored as full races in the game.

Drivers are valued according to how much shares are invested in them:
-Frontrunning drivers get many shares and are expected to score often and highly, providing a steady points source but with little potential for real jackpots.
-Backmarkers get proportionally fewer shares and give a return less frequently, but when they do it they may be very rewarding as the dividends are shared by fewer shares.

Good "value for money" is investing in drivers that are undervalued, ie have disproportionally few shares invested in them compared to their actual points scoring potential.

Your entry will carry over from one race to the next, unless you decide to move a limited amount of the shares to a different driver. While this makes the game easy to play even for the laziest humanoids, it also makes it useful to know what shares you have at any given moment. If you don't pay attention, a previously good investment in a driver may become a bad deal if too many shares are added on him or if his form plummets.

Submitting an initial entry

The first time you play this game, you shall submit an entry where you place 100 shares among the drivers, fulfilling these conditions:
 
 * You may only hold 100 shares (or less, which doesn't help you) in total at a time.
 * You can not own fractions of a share, just integer shares.
 * You can place no more than 40 shares on any one driver.
 * You must own shares in at least three drivers.
 * You may not own shares in more than ten drivers.
 * You may edit your first entry as much as you like until the edit deadline (first free practice) for the coming race.

Note that there is no limit to the number of shares available for each driver.
Also note that your initial entry is the basis for the following rounds too! You'll be allowed to change no more than 20 shares before each race, so make sure your initial entry looks at least 80% respectable...

Since nobody initially knows what the playing field looks like before the first race, I will give several updates on what the total share distribution looks like among the entries submitted so far.

Entry Example A from 1975:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 22
Depailler 16
Peterson 12
Ickx 10
Donohue 3

Editing your entry after the first round it takes part in
 * After the first race your entry took part in, you may only change 20 of your shares at a time (for the next race).
 * You do not have to edit your entry at all! If you so wish, you can leave your entry as it is from race one and not make a single change throughout the season. This is however a lazy option that won't make you ultimately competitive.
 * If a driver is replaced -temporarily or permanently- during the season, the shares placed on him will automatically be transferred to the replacing driver. So you could say that the shares actually are attached to the car number.
 * You may edit your changes as much as you like until the edit deadline for the coming race.
 * Edit deadline for changes is the beginning of first free practice for each race.

Example B:
After the first race, the shareholder who submitted the entry in Example A from 1975 realizes that the Lotus is a dud, and submits an edit to her entry as follows:

She decides to Sell:
Peterson -10
Ickx -10

She decides to Buy:
Pace +10
Reutemann +5
Depailler +5

Her new "portfolio" will after the entry look like this:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 27
Depailler 21
Pace 10
Donohue 3
Peterson 2

The above change of shares can perhaps best be written like this:
E Fittipaldi 37
Reutemann 27 (+5)
Depailler 21 (+5)
Pace 10 (+10)
Donohue 3
Peterson 2 (-10)
Ickx 0 (-10)

An edit doesn't have to look just like above, any way is fine as long as it's easy to understand which driver shares are to be sold and which to be bought.

NOTE: I will only sporadically be posting updates on what each player's portfolio looks like, so remember to keep track of what you own!
The reason you're only allowed to change just 20 shares each round is that it adds some stability to the whole system: I hopefully won't get a nervous breakdown before every round, and the values for each driver won't move around all over the place from one round to the other. It will also force the players to think more long term with their investments.
Keep in mind that when there are shares removed from a driver, the potential return from the shares that remain will increase and vice versa. Holding many shares in a backmarker is an inefficient investment, as for each extra share you get your ownership percentage won't increase by much.

Points Scoring

*The score a player receives from a driver is calculated like this:

[DScore] = 9.92*[TShares]*[DRace]*[PDShares]/[DShares]

where
[TShares] = The total number of shares in the entire game at the moment
[DRace] = The number of points the driver in question scored in the race
[PDShares] = The number of shares the player owns in the driver
[DShares] = The total number of shares owned in the driver in question by ALL players.

In order to only mess around with integer scores, the 9.92*[TShares]/[DShares] factor will be rounded off DOWN to the nearest integer. This factor equals the amount of game points one share will give per WDC point scored by the driver in question.

*The player's total score of the round is simply the sum of the [DScore] values from all drivers.

Thanks to the 9.92 factor, and the [TShares] factor scaling scores up with the amount of players, an average total score for a round will always be around 100,000 points or 1000 points per share, regardless of the number of players. At least if there are shares owned in all points scoring drivers.

Example C:
Emerson Fittipaldi finishes 2nd in a race;
there are 30 players in the game all with 100 shares each;
400 of all shares are placed on Emmo.

The entry in example B will then score approximately
9.92*3000*18*37/400 points,
which with the rounding off will amount to exactly 49284 points.

A good result from 37 shares. 400/3000 shares would mean a driver is valued at 13.4666... points per race, and second place obviously is better than that.
The 1975 drivers magically score points according to the current F1 points system which makes perfect sense because this is just a hypothetical example and why didn't the player invest in Lauda anyway? Probably because he was overvalued, that's why!

[Makarias]

I'll put in a preliminary entry for myself just to get things going. I'm extremely likely to change it later on.

 

Verstappen 21

Perez 16

Leclerc 14

Sainz 13

Norris 12

Alonso 12

Hamilton 9

Russell 3

[Costaz]

Norris 20

Piastri 20

Hamilton 20 

Alonso 20

Perez 10

Leclerc 10

[Anderis]

Oh, hey, Costaz. Nice to see you back.

[BerniesDad]

Oh I'll play. Thanks Makarias.

I think I remember a similar Atlas "bet your nuts" game from way back.

 

Verstappen 40

Perez 20

Russell 20 

Sainz 10

Ocon 10

[LolaB0860]

I'm gonna play this year without putting single share towards Red Bull main team, how's that

 

Leclerc 20

Sainz 20

Norris 20

Piastri 15

Tsunoda 15

Stroll 7

Bottas 2

Sargeant 1

Edited by LolaB0860, 24 February 2024 - 23:25.

[GTA]

Verstappen 25

Hulkenberg 5

Leclerc 10

Sainz 10

Norris 10

Piastri 10

Albon 10

Ricciardo 10

Tsunoda 10

[mark f1]

Verstappen 30

Leclerc 15

Sainz 15

Alonso 10

Ricciardo 10

Norris 10

Albon 10

[KWSN - DSM]

Magnussen - 10

Verstappen - 10

Perez - 10

Leclerc - 10

Sainz - 10

Norris - 10

Hamilton - 10

Gasly - 10

Albon - 10

Alonso - 10

[Makarias]

Still early days but with seven entrants we can take a look at the current stats:

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Verstappen      126  18.18 418.14     55      5
Norris           82  11.83 272.12     84      6
Leclerc          79  11.40 262.17     87      6
Sainz            78  11.25 258.85     89      6
Perez            56   8.08 185.84    124      4
Alonso           52   7.50 172.57    133      4
Piastri          45   6.49 149.34    154      3
Hamilton         39   5.63 129.42    178      3
Albon            30   4.33  99.56    231      3
Tsunoda          25   3.61  82.96    277      2
Russell          23   3.32  76.33    301      2
Ricciardo        20   2.89  66.37    347      2
Gasly            10   1.44  33.19    694      1
Ocon             10   1.44  33.19    694      1
Magnussen        10   1.44  33.19    694      1
Stroll            7   1.01  23.23    992      1
Hülkenberg        5   0.72  16.59   1388      1
Bottas            2   0.29   6.64   3472      1
Sargeant          1   0.14   3.32   6944      1
Zhou              0   0.00   0.00    N/A      0

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Verstappen      1375     990     825     660     550     440     330     220     110      55
Norris          2100    1512    1260    1008     840     672     504     336     168      84
Leclerc         2175    1566    1305    1044     870     696     522     348     174      87
Sainz           2225    1602    1335    1068     890     712     534     356     178      89
Perez           3100    2232    1860    1488    1240     992     744     496     248     124
Alonso          3325    2394    1995    1596    1330    1064     798     532     266     133
Piastri         3850    2772    2310    1848    1540    1232     924     616     308     154
Hamilton        4450    3204    2670    2136    1780    1424    1068     712     356     178
Albon           5775    4158    3465    2772    2310    1848    1386     924     462     231
Tsunoda         6925    4986    4155    3324    2770    2216    1662    1108     554     277
Russell         7525    5418    4515    3612    3010    2408    1806    1204     602     301
Ricciardo       8675    6246    5205    4164    3470    2776    2082    1388     694     347
Gasly          17350   12492   10410    8328    6940    5552    4164    2776    1388     694
Ocon           17350   12492   10410    8328    6940    5552    4164    2776    1388     694
Magnussen      17350   12492   10410    8328    6940    5552    4164    2776    1388     694
Stroll         24800   17856   14880   11904    9920    7936    5952    3968    1984     992
Hülkenberg     34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Bottas         86800   62496   52080   41664   34720   27776   20832   13888    6944    3472
Sargeant      173600  124992  104160   83328   69440   55552   41664   27776   13888    6944
Zhou               0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0       0

Super opportunities available Mega Business Buy Buy Buy

 

I'm gonna play this year without putting single share towards Red Bull main team, how's that

Sounds like a potentially frustrating season!

 

 

 

Magnussen - 10

I am SHOCKED
 

[Anderis]

Sounds like a potentially frustrating season!

LOL, I didn't have a single share in Verstappen last year and won.

[LB]

LOL, I didn't have a single share in Verstappen last year and won.

I did that the year before

 

Perez 20

Norris 20

Piastri 20 
Russell 20
Hamilton 20

[SpaceHorseParty]

Perez 20

Russell 20

Ricciardo 20

Piastri 20

Stroll 18

Sargeant 1

Zhou 1

[Makarias]

I'm heroically changing my entry:

Verstappen 26

Leclerc 18

Sainz 15

Hamilton 14

Perez 12

Alonso 9

Norris 4

Bottas 1

Zhou 1

[Makarias]

Current status: Very exciting

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Verstappen      131  14.70 352.83     68      5
Norris           94  10.55 253.17     94      7
Perez            92  10.32 247.79     97      6
Piastri          85   9.54 228.93    105      5
Leclerc          83   9.31 223.55    107      6
Sainz            80   8.98 215.47    111      6
Hamilton         64   7.18 172.37    139      4
Russell          60   6.73 161.60    148      3
Alonso           49   5.50 131.97    182      4
Ricciardo        40   4.49 107.73    223      3
Albon            30   3.37  80.80    297      3
Stroll           25   2.81  67.33    357      2
Tsunoda          25   2.81  67.33    357      2
Gasly            10   1.12  26.93    892      1
Magnussen        10   1.12  26.93    892      1
Ocon             10   1.12  26.93    892      1
Hülkenberg        5   0.56  13.47   1785      1
Bottas            3   0.34   8.08   2976      2
Sargeant          2   0.22   5.39   4464      2
Zhou              2   0.22   5.39   4464      2

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Verstappen      1700    1224    1020     816     680     544     408     272     136      68
Norris          2350    1692    1410    1128     940     752     564     376     188      94
Perez           2425    1746    1455    1164     970     776     582     388     194      97
Piastri         2625    1890    1575    1260    1050     840     630     420     210     105
Leclerc         2675    1926    1605    1284    1070     856     642     428     214     107
Sainz           2775    1998    1665    1332    1110     888     666     444     222     111
Hamilton        3475    2502    2085    1668    1390    1112     834     556     278     139
Russell         3700    2664    2220    1776    1480    1184     888     592     296     148
Alonso          4550    3276    2730    2184    1820    1456    1092     728     364     182
Ricciardo       5575    4014    3345    2676    2230    1784    1338     892     446     223
Albon           7425    5346    4455    3564    2970    2376    1782    1188     594     297
Stroll          8925    6426    5355    4284    3570    2856    2142    1428     714     357
Tsunoda         8925    6426    5355    4284    3570    2856    2142    1428     714     357
Gasly          22300   16056   13380   10704    8920    7136    5352    3568    1784     892
Magnussen      22300   16056   13380   10704    8920    7136    5352    3568    1784     892
Ocon           22300   16056   13380   10704    8920    7136    5352    3568    1784     892
Hülkenberg     44625   32130   26775   21420   17850   14280   10710    7140    3570    1785
Bottas         74400   53568   44640   35712   29760   23808   17856   11904    5952    2976
Sargeant      111600   80352   66960   53568   44640   35712   26784   17856    8928    4464
Zhou          111600   80352   66960   53568   44640   35712   26784   17856    8928    4464

Edited by Makarias, 27 February 2024 - 14:13.

[sladealonso]

Leclerc 25

Sainz 20

Hamilton 20

Alonso 20

Tsunoda 5

Stroll 5

Bottas 2

Albon 3

[KWSN - DSM]

I'm heroically changing my entry:

Verstappen 26

Leclerc 18

Sainz 15

Hamilton 14

Perez 12

Alonso 9

Norris 4

Bottas 1

Zhou 1

 

No Magnussen?

[brunopascal]

Leclerc 15

Sainz 15

Hamilton 15

Russell 15

Alonso 10

Perez 15

Verstappen 15

[Anderis]

Leclerc 20

Sainz 20

Russell 20

Alonso 20

Stroll 15

Bottas 5

[scheivlak]

Verstappen 20

Leclerc 20

Sainz 15

Ricciardo 15

Piastri 10

Russell 10

Perez 5

Bottas 5

[LolaB0860]

Scrap the first version, new:

 

Leclerc 20

Sainz 20

Tsunoda 17

Norris 17

Piastri 15

Stroll 6

Zhou 2

Bottas 1

Sargeant 1

Hulkenberg 1

[DutchQuicksilver]

Verstappen 25

Perez 20

Leclerc 15

Sainz 15

Hamilton 10

Russell 10

Ricciardo 5

[Makarias]

OK, a final cowardly change to my entry:

 

Verstappen 31

Leclerc 16

Sainz 15

Hamilton 14

Perez 12

Alonso 7

Norris 5

[Makarias]

Very exciting:

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Verstappen      196  14.14 339.36     70      8
Leclerc         176  12.70 304.73     78     11
Sainz           165  11.90 285.69     84     11
Perez           132   9.52 228.55    105      9
Russell         115   8.30 199.11    120      7
Hamilton        109   7.86 188.73    127      7
Alonso           97   7.00 167.95    143      7
Piastri          95   6.85 164.49    146      6
Norris           92   6.64 159.29    150      7
Ricciardo        60   4.33 103.89    231      5
Stroll           44   3.17  76.18    315      4
Albon            33   2.38  57.14    420      4
Tsunoda          32   2.31  55.41    434      3
Bottas           13   0.94  22.51   1068      4
Gasly            10   0.72  17.31   1388      1
Magnussen        10   0.72  17.31   1388      1
Ocon             10   0.72  17.31   1388      1
Hülkenberg        6   0.43  10.39   2314      2
Zhou              3   0.22   5.19   4629      2
Sargeant          2   0.14   3.46   6944      2

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Verstappen      1750    1260    1050     840     700     560     420     280     140      70
Leclerc         1950    1404    1170     936     780     624     468     312     156      78
Sainz           2100    1512    1260    1008     840     672     504     336     168      84
Perez           2625    1890    1575    1260    1050     840     630     420     210     105
Russell         3000    2160    1800    1440    1200     960     720     480     240     120
Hamilton        3175    2286    1905    1524    1270    1016     762     508     254     127
Alonso          3575    2574    2145    1716    1430    1144     858     572     286     143
Piastri         3650    2628    2190    1752    1460    1168     876     584     292     146
Norris          3750    2700    2250    1800    1500    1200     900     600     300     150
Ricciardo       5775    4158    3465    2772    2310    1848    1386     924     462     231
Stroll          7875    5670    4725    3780    3150    2520    1890    1260     630     315
Albon          10500    7560    6300    5040    4200    3360    2520    1680     840     420
Tsunoda        10850    7812    6510    5208    4340    3472    2604    1736     868     434
Bottas         26700   19224   16020   12816   10680    8544    6408    4272    2136    1068
Gasly          34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Magnussen      34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Ocon           34700   24984   20820   16656   13880   11104    8328    5552    2776    1388
Hülkenberg     57850   41652   34710   27768   23140   18512   13884    9256    4628    2314
Zhou          115725   83322   69435   55548   46290   37032   27774   18516    9258    4629
Sargeant      173600  124992  104160   83328   69440   55552   41664   27776   13888    6944

[GTA]

Verstappen 25

Hulkenberg 5

Leclerc 10

Sainz 10

Norris 10

Piastri 10

Albon 10

Ricciardo 10

Tsunoda 10

 

Edited

 

Verstappen 25

Hulkenberg 5

Leclerc 10

Sainz 10

Norris 10

Stroll 5

Alonso 5

Albon 10

Ricciardo 10

Tsunoda 10

[Brawn BGP 001]

Verstappen 20

Leclerc 20

Norris 20

Hamilton 20

Perez 10

Tsunoda 10

[M2000-5]

Verstappen 10

Norris 30

Hamilton 20

Ricciardo 30

Leclerc 10

[Makarias]

There is till time to join!

DRIVER      DShares   Race Season    VPP Owners
Verstappen      226  14.27 342.39     70     10
Leclerc         206  13.00 312.09     77     13
Sainz           165  10.42 249.97     96     11
Hamilton        149   9.41 225.74    106      9
Norris          142   8.96 215.13    111      9
Perez           142   8.96 215.13    111     10
Russell         115   7.26 174.23    138      7
Alonso          102   6.44 154.53    155      8
Ricciardo        90   5.68 136.35    176      6
Piastri          85   5.37 128.77    186      5
Stroll           49   3.09  74.24    323      5
Tsunoda          42   2.65  63.63    377      4
Albon            33   2.08  50.00    480      4
Bottas           13   0.82  19.70   1220      4
Gasly            10   0.63  15.15   1587      1
Magnussen        10   0.63  15.15   1587      1
Ocon             10   0.63  15.15   1587      1
Hülkenberg        6   0.38   9.09   2645      2
Zhou              3   0.19   4.55   5290      2
Sargeant          2   0.13   3.03   7936      2

DRIVER           Win      P2      P3      P4      P5      P6      P7      P8      P9     P10
Verstappen      1750    1260    1050     840     700     560     420     280     140      70
Leclerc         1925    1386    1155     924     770     616     462     308     154      77
Sainz           2400    1728    1440    1152     960     768     576     384     192      96
Hamilton        2650    1908    1590    1272    1060     848     636     424     212     106
Norris          2775    1998    1665    1332    1110     888     666     444     222     111
Perez           2775    1998    1665    1332    1110     888     666     444     222     111
Russell         3450    2484    2070    1656    1380    1104     828     552     276     138
Alonso          3875    2790    2325    1860    1550    1240     930     620     310     155
Ricciardo       4400    3168    2640    2112    1760    1408    1056     704     352     176
Piastri         4650    3348    2790    2232    1860    1488    1116     744     372     186
Stroll          8075    5814    4845    3876    3230    2584    1938    1292     646     323
Tsunoda         9425    6786    5655    4524    3770    3016    2262    1508     754     377
Albon          12000    8640    7200    5760    4800    3840    2880    1920     960     480
Bottas         30500   21960   18300   14640   12200    9760    7320    4880    2440    1220
Gasly          39675   28566   23805   19044   15870   12696    9522    6348    3174    1587
Magnussen      39675   28566   23805   19044   15870   12696    9522    6348    3174    1587
Ocon           39675   28566   23805   19044   15870   12696    9522    6348    3174    1587
Hülkenberg     66125   47610   39675   31740   26450   21160   15870   10580    5290    2645
Zhou          132250   95220   79350   63480   52900   42320   31740   21160   10580    5290
Sargeant      198400  142848  119040   95232   79360   63488   47616   31744   15872    7936

[Anderis]

Changing my entry:
Russell 20
Alonso 20
Verstappen 15
Perez 15
Sainz 15
Stroll 10
Bottas 2
Zhou 2
Sargeant 1

Edited by Anderis, 29 February 2024 - 11:21.

[Nathan]

f***

[LolaB0860]

f***

There are so many races this year, that missing one probably isn't the end. Especially in this competition where you can theoretically score oneoff miracle results by gambling

Edited by LolaB0860, 29 February 2024 - 13:19.

[Anderis]

Last year I won the overall with more points over 2nd place than what the winner scores in an average round, so it's definetely possible to even win the overall despite missing one round.