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#1 Piet Ram

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Posted 16 March 2002 - 21:44

:eek: Hello everyone,

Can someone please help me with results of the Super V class in the US and of the European Championship.
US 1972-1980/1987-1990
EC 1972-1980

Waiting for any (small) news :up:

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#2 sat

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Posted 16 March 2002 - 22:07

Go to Darren Galpin's "minor" results (http://home.wanadoo....eam2/index.html) you can find here some.

#3 Allen Brown

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Posted 17 March 2002 - 17:59

Piet

Welcome to TNF :wave:

The SCCA Profesional Yearbook gives all the points scorers in each season, so anyone who finished in the Top 6 in 1971, the Top 10 1972-1979, the Top 12 1980-1981 and the Top 15 thereafter. I have the Yearbook for 1984 which gives those tables for every season from 1971 (note 71, not 72) up to 1983.

Are those helpful, or do you want all starters and all qualifying times?

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#4 Allen Brown

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Posted 17 March 2002 - 18:15

Piet

Let me ask that question another way. Is this useful?

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Edited by Allen Brown, 09 May 2010 - 20:03.


#5 bobbo

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Posted 17 March 2002 - 23:41

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!

Do some of those names look vaguely familiar??  ;) ;) ;)

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 06:44

Allen,
I don't know for Piet, but these tables is something I would love to have access to :) :)

#7 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 10:48

Sure Bobbo many of them are quite familiar....:)

Even Greger Kronegård seems to have dabbled with Super Vee's in US. And he did pretty darn well too...:)

Bertil Roos I knew did well in various US based series...

How did Ray Heppenstall end up in Super Vee's in 1971?
He was driving the Howmet TX turbine car during the late 1960s.

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 10:57

Bertil Roos I knew did well in various US based series...

...untill he got a license suspension while driving for Fred Opert (for who he was a racing instructor iIrc) ! What was the story behind this affair ?

#9 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 12:54

More to talk about. Does anyone have any good OCR software which could change these into text?

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#10 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 13:43

More Swedish drivers high on the 1974 table, Bror Jaktlund (more famous for his engine preparation) and Graf Freddy Kottulinsky.

And someone called Keke Rosburg raced in '75.

Also spotted Reeves Callaway in '74, a backmarker it seems. Better off with his SuperNatural Vette's.

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 13:44

Originally posted by bobbo
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!

Do some of those names look vaguely familiar??  ;) ;) ;)

Bobbo


Dunno about that, but some of 'em look a bit silly:

Earl Nicewarner? :lol: Tom Pumpelty? :lol: Bob Wheelock? :lol:

And did National Lampoon sponsor Stephen Griswold? :)

#12 David M. Kane

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 13:59

Actually it is Tom Pumpelly and he did fairly well in Atlantics too along
with Howdy Holmes, Bobby Rahal and some of the others. Howdy Holmes also
qualified second fastest at Indy in '83 or '84 next to his teammate, Tom
Sneva. Herm Johnson also ran Indy for about six years in the '80s until
he had a career ending accident. He is now one of the premier helmet painters in the US. He does most of the Indy field and a lot of NASCAR
guys too.

Opps! Bob Lazier was rookie of the year at Indy and has produced two sons who are now regulars on the IRL, etc.

#13 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 14:01

Think it reads Tom PUMPELLY...
He even ran at Indy at least once...

#14 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 14:02

Oh...beaten by a couple of minutes.....!

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 14:05

Memos to self:

1 Book eye test
2 Buy bigger monitor :)

Even so, Pumpelly is still pretty funny ...

#16 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 14:07

Bobby Rahal, Tom Bagley, Bill Alsup, Randy Lewis, Al Holbert, Eddie Miller, Harry MacDonald and Gordon Smiley also ran at Indy or at least tried to qualify.

#17 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 14:13

John Morton, EFR, John O'Steen and Hurley Haywood all did well in various Sportscars.

Must have been quite an adjustment from the +1000HP CanAm Porsche to a Super Vee in '76 for George Follmer...

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 15:55

And Bob Williams coming down from nearly winning the 1969 F1 World Title...;)

I think Jerry Jolly raced NASCAR for a while - and Bill Scott - is this the same as Billy Scott who had a few Champcar races in the mid 70s?

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 16:52

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
More Swedish drivers high on the 1974 table, Bror Jaktlund (more famous for his engine preparation) and Graf Freddy Kottulinsky.

I always thought Graf Freddy is a German...;)

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#20 David M. Kane

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 17:13

Tom Pumpelly and Bill Scott never ran Indy. Tom did do a few Daytona 24-hr
races and ran a season in the Ford Probe for Bill Scott former partner, Tom Milner. Bill Scott to my knowledge never did anything else after he stopped
racing FSV. He was the Royale distributor for years, but I don't remember exactly when or why he stopped racing. Currently, he owns Summit Point Raceway in WVA and its driving school.

#21 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 17:24

I always thought Graf Freddy is a German...



He is definitely a swede, but his title is German! Graf von some German fairy tale country.
And he did most of his later career in Germany, for German and Austrian teams. At some stage of his career he also had a Finnish license.

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#22 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 22:17

Freddy was quite a versatile driver, did rallying for VW/Audi, desert-raiding for Volkswagen (won the Dakar in '79 with an Iltis), and all kinds of singleseaters up to Formula Two. Even ran a 200 quattro in DTM in '86.

His daughter Susanne also did rallying for Volvo and Audi.

Freddy flying at Nürburgring (maybe someone can put a year on the pic?)
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Posted 18 March 2002 - 22:19

'scuse me sir, but I think you're wrong! Afaik, Freddy Kottulinsky has always been German, Bavarian to be precise. Maybe he had dual citizenship later in his life, I don't know. He certainly raced with a Swedish licence, but he was born and raised in Germany. His daughter, Susanne, is Swedish, though.

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 22:22

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
Freddy flying at Nürburgring (maybe someone can put a year on the pic?)
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That should be the Eifelrennen in 1977, and Fritz Lochmann's Ralt/BMW RT1.

#25 Jim Thurman

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Posted 18 March 2002 - 22:41

Originally posted by Vitesse2


Dunno about that, but some of 'em look a bit silly:

Earl Nicewarner? :lol: Tom Pumpelty? :lol: Bob Wheelock? :lol:

And did National Lampoon sponsor Stephen Griswold? :)



Good thing you aren't looking at the F5000 results and Roger Bighouse :D

Bob Wheelock raced various types of cars and was a former pro football (gridiron) player with the Detroit Lions.

Someone asked about Bill Scott. This is Virginia's Bill Scott, the Indy 500 Billy "The Kid" Scott was from San Bernardino, California and raced motorcycles with Swede Savage before embarking on a four wheel career that saw him drive in just about every form of racing.


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Posted 18 March 2002 - 22:47

Of course there is another guy who went from (many years of) Super Vee to Indy:
http://www.arieluyendyk.com/bio2.html

#27 Stefan Ornerdal

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Posted 19 March 2002 - 14:17

'scuse me sir, but I think you're wrong!



:blush:
You are right Michael!
And now I remember, I read somewhere it was some problems in 1963, -64 about Freddy getting points in Swedish FJ/F3 championship. The Swedish federation did not know which citizenship he had, and Freddy himself claimed dual nationality.

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#28 Allen Brown

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Posted 19 March 2002 - 22:08

Piet - are you still out there?

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Edited by Allen Brown, 09 May 2010 - 20:04.


#29 Darren Galpin

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 07:59

Allen - are these results from the Robert Bosch US Series?

I was just about to complete an update to the Super V results I had previously posted. Now I'm not even half way through after this - aaarrrggghhhhhhh........ Does anyone have that OCR software Allen mentioned?

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 16:17

If no one beats me to it, I can provide some serious stats for the European series. But it will take some time, don't hold your breath... :(

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 17:25

More Indy drivers - Phil Krueger (see another thread), Dale Coyne, Mike Chandler (son of Los Angeles Times (?) owner and ex-driver of the Indycar Ligier), Dennis Firestone (who qualified for but had to withdraw from Indy in 1986 because of a warm-up crash - allowing the 1st alternate to start, our old frined Dick Simon!), Pete Halsmer, Dale Whittington (also on another thread) and of course Geoff Brabham.

Billy Scott in 1977 - is this the Kid or the Virginia Kid? :confused:

Guenther Gebhardt - the future Group C2 constructor?

#32 Frank de Jong

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 18:15

Originally posted by ensign14
Guenther Gebhardt - the future Group C2 constructor?


Yes, that's him allright.

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 20:28

I can add the winners of the SCCA National Run-offs:

1970 Tom Davey (Zeitler)
1971 Tom Davey (Lola)
1972 Bob Wheelock (Lola)
1973 Harry Ingle (Zink)
1974 Fred Phillips (Elden)
1975 Fred Phillips (Elden Mk 14B)
1976 Herm Johnson (Lola T324)
1977 Scott Ovel (Lola T324)
1978 Mike Yoder (Lola)

And the dates and winners of the races:

1971-07-03, Daytona, Bill Scott, Royale
1971-07-11, Road Atlanta, Tom Reddy, Lola
1971-08-21, Talladega, Tom Davey, Lola
1971-08-29, Road America, Bill Scott, Royale
1971-09-06, Lime Rock, Bill Scott, Royale
1971-10-03, Riverside, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Zeitler
1971-10-17, Laguna Seca, Bill Scott, Royale
1971-11-20, Daytona (non-championship), Steve Pieper, Lola
1972-03-24, Sebring, Gregor Kronegard, Lola T252
1972-06-18, Watkins Glen, Bill Scott, Royale
1972-07-09, Road Atlanta, Harry Ingle, Zink
1972-07-29, Brainerd, Steve Pieper, Royale
1972-08-27, Road America, Bill Scott, Royale RP14
1972-09-04, Lime Rock, Tom Reddy, Lola T252
1972-09-17, Portland, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lola
1972-10-15, Laguna Seca, Jon Woodner, Tui
1972-10-29, Riverside, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lola
1973-05-05, Lime Rock, Bertil Roos, Tui BH3
1973-06-16, Watkins Glen, Bertil Roos, Tui BH3
1973-07-08, Road Atlanta, Harry Ingle, Royale RP18
1973-07-22, Watkins Glen, Bertil Roos, Tui BH3
1973-08-26, Road America, Bob Wheelock, Lola T252
1973-09-03, Pocono, Bob Lazier, Royale RP18
1973-09-30, Kent, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lola T252
1973-10-14, Laguna Seca, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lola T252
1973-10-28, Riverside, Bob Lazier, Royale RP18
1974-04-21, Road Atlanta, Tom Bagley, Royale RP9
1974-05-04, Lime Rock, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-05-12, Laguna Seca, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-05-19, Ontario, Hurley Haywood, Tui BH4
1974-06-30, Mid-Ohio, Tom Bagley, Royale RP9
1974-07-07, Road Atlanta, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-07-14, Watkins Glen, Bob Lazier, Lola T322
1974-08-18, Charlotte, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-08-25, Road America, Fred Phillips, Elden Mk 10 (I know this was a FFord, so maybe a typo!)
1974-09-02, Lime Rock, Harry Ingle, Zink Z11
1974-09-22, Mosport, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-10-06, Watkins Glen, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-10-20, Mexico City, Elliott Forbes-Robinson, Lynn/Lola T320
1974-12-01, Daytona, Freddy Kottulinsky, Lola T322
1975-02-01, Daytona, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1975-03-21, Sebring, Howdy Holmes, Lola T324
1975-04-20, Road Atlanta, Eddie Miller, Lola T324
1975-05-04, Laguna Seca, Fred Phillips, Elden Mk 14
1975-05-10, Riverside, Eddie Miller, Lola T324
1975-05-26, Lime Rock, Eddie Miller, Lola T324
1975-07-13, Watkins Glen, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1975-08-23, Road America, Eddie Miller, Lola T324
1975-09-21, Mosport, Eddie Miller, Lola T324
1975-10-04, Watkins Glen, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1975-11-30, Daytona, Herm Johnson, Lola T322
1976-01-31, Daytona, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1976-05-09, Pocono, Bertil Roos, Lola
1976-05-31, Nelson Ledges, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1976-06-20, Mosport, Bill Henderson, Lola T320/324
1976-07-11, Watkins Glen, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1976-08-08, Mid-Ohio, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1976-08-15, Brainerd, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1976-08-29, Road America, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1976-10-10, Watkins Glen, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1976-10-16, Lime Rock, Tom Bagley, Zink
1977-05-30, Kent, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1977-06-19, Brainerd, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1977-06-26, Nelson Ledges, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1977-07-10, Watkins Glen, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1977-07-23, Road America, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1977-07-31, Hallett, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1977-08-07, Mid-Ohio, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1977-08-14, Brainerd, Herm Johnson, Lola T324
1977-09-11, St. Jovite, Stuart Moore, Lola T324
1977-10-01, Watkins Glen, Tom Bagley, Zink Z11
1977-10-09, Mosport, Bob Lazier, Lola T324
1978-04-16, Charlotte, Bill Alsup, Argo JM2
1978-05-14, Road Atlanta, Bill Alsup, Argo JM2
1978-06-11, Mid-Ohio, Bob Lazier, Lola T620
1978-06-25, St. Jovite, Bill Alsup, Argo JM2
1978-07-09, Watkins Glen, Bill Alsup, Argo JM2
1978-08-13, Brainerd, Herm Johnson, Lola T620
1978-09-04, Road America, Herm Johnson, Lola T620
1978-09-30, Watkins Glen, Herm Johnson, Lola T620
1979-05-06, Road Atlanta, Geoff Brabham, Ralt RT1
1979-05-20, Charlotte, Geoff Brabham, Ralt RT1
1979-06-03, Mosport, Geoff Brabham, Ralt RT1
1979-07-08, Watkins Glen, Geoff Brabham, Ralt RT1
1979-07-15, Michigan, Mike Chandler, Ralt RT1
1979-07-21, Road America, Herm Johnson, Ralt RT1
1979-08-19, Brainerd, Herm Johnson, Ralt RT1
1979-10-06, Watkins Glen, Geoff Brabham, Ralt RT1
1980-05-18, Charlotte, Bob Earl, Ralt RT1
1980-06-08, Milwaukee, Billy Scyphers, Ralt RT5
1980-06-22, Pocono, Josele Garza, Ralt RT5
1980-07-06, Watkins Glen, Dave McMillan, Ralt RT5
1980-07-13, Mid-Ohio, Dave McMillan, Ralt RT5
1980-07-20, Road America, Peter Kuhn, Ralt RT5
1980-08-10, Brainerd, Peter Kuhn, Ralt RT5
1980-08-23, Minnesota, Peter Kuhn, Ralt RT5
1980-08-24, Minnesota, Peter Kuhn, Ralt RT5
1980-08-30, Ontario, Pete Halsmer, Ralt RT1
1980-09-20, Michigan, Peter Kuhn, Ralt RT5
1980-10-05, Watkins Glen, Herm Johnson, Ralt RT5
1980-10-26, Riverside, Bob Earl, Ralt RT5
1980-11-08, Phoenix, Al Unser Jr., Ralt RT5

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 21:17

Dennis Firestone? Really? And Scott Goodyear! Who's next - bike racer Joey Dunlop? Or mr Mika Nokia from Finland? Und Herr Fulda aus Deutschland?

Thanks in advance, fines. We can wait...

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Posted 20 March 2002 - 21:40

I'm having trouble with the 1972 results: Firstly, both DeMeritt (I love that name) and Nicewarner are credited with 10th place at the Glen, and then both Nicewarner and Campbell with 9th at Road Atlanta. I suppose Nicewarner's results are reversed, but can someone verify?

Then, EFR and Fren (I suppose that's ole Freddy) van Beuren are credited with the same results at Road Atlanta (7th), Elkhart Lake (14th) and Lime Rock (5th), but the third place finisher at Elkhart Lake is omitted. Again, I can only surmise that EFR finished 3rd at Elkhart Lake which would equal the points for one 5th and one seventh. Anyone?

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Posted 21 March 2002 - 22:20

First instalment of European series results: In 1971, Super Vee was introduced in Europe, and since there was already an "Europapokal" (Eurocup) for Formula Vee, the FVE (Formula Vee Europe) association created the "Goldpokal" (Goldcup), along with a Constructors Cup. I have never been able to verify this, but I believe the sanctioning body was the German AvD (Automobilklub von Deutschland), with the rival ADAC (Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil Club) sanctioning a Formula 3 Trophy.

There were 10 qualifying rounds, with the best seven scores of each driver to determine the champion. Apparently, there were no dropped scores for the constructors. Since road racing was banned in Switzerland, a hill-climb at the Gurnigel was part of the championship for a couple of years.

R1 - Thruxton, Apr 12
R2 - Zolder, Apr 18
R3 - Nürburgring, Aug 1
R4 - Mantorp Park, Aug 8
R5 - Keimola, Aug 22
R6 - Gurnigel, Sep 12 (?)
R7 - Zandvoort, Sep 26
R8 - Hockenheim, Oct 3
R10 - Montlhéry, Oct 10
(some dates may not be totally correct, but at least the weekend should be right - Gurnigel's is a guess, though!)

Pos	 Name		  Total		Thr	Zol	Nür	Man	Kei	Gur	Zan	Hoc	Mon

1   Breinsberg, Erich   34		9	6	-	-	4	6	6	3	-

2   Kronegård, Greger   30		-	-	-	9	9	9	3	-	-

3   Koinigg, Helmuth	19		-	9	-	-	1	-	9	-	-

3   Riedl, Werner	   19		3	4	2	-	-	-	4	6	-

5   Schurti, Manfred	18		4	1	4	-	-	-	-	-	9

6   Mass, Jochen		15		6	-	9	-	-	-	-	-	-

7   Guellec, Hervé le   13		-	-	6	-	3	3	1	-	-

7   Roos, Bertil		13		-	-	-	4	-	-	-	9	-

9   Vermeulen, Huub	 11		-	3	-	-	6	2	-	-	-

10  Sirviö, Lasse		7		-	-	-	3	-	-	-	4	-

11  Albisser (Marc?)	 6		-	-	-	2	-	4	-	-	-

11  Braun, Rainer		6		1	2	3	-	-	-	-	-	-

11  Pryce, Tom		   6		-	-	-	6	-	-	-	-	-

11  Trint, Manfred	   6		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	6

15  Bross, Helmut		5		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3

16  Menzel, Harald	   4		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4

17  Braillard, Willy	 2		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-

17  Fox				  2		-	-	-	-	2	-	-	-	-

17  Froquin			  2		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2

17  Jaktlund, Bror	   2		-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-

21  Arpiainen, Mika	  1		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-

21  Basler			   1		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1

21  Hotz, Markus		 1		-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-

21  Roberts			  1		-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-

21  Tellsten, Rolf	   1		-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-



Pos	 Name		  Total		Thr	Zol	Nür	Man	Kei	Gur	Zan	Hoc	Mon

1   Kaimann			 60		9	9	9	4	4	6	9	6	4

2   Royale			  33		-	-	6	6	6	3	3	-	9

3   Lola				27		-	-	-	9	9	9	-	-	-

4   Horag			   16		-	-	-	2	-	4	-	9	1

5   Veemax			  10		-	-	-	3	-	-	-	4	3

6   Fuchs				4		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-

7   RPB				  2		-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-

8   Hawk				 1		-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-

8   Palliser			 1		-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-
I have seen different scores for Breinsberg and Kronegård, and for all the leading constructors, though!

Now on to 1972:

						   		4/3	4/9	4/30	5/28	7/30	8/13	8/27	9/10	9/24	10/1

Pos	 Name		  Total		Thr	Niv	Knu	Nür	Nür	Zel	Kei	Gur	Zan	Hoc

1   Schurti, Manfred	49		6	9	6	9	4	9	6	(1)	(3)	(4)

2   Koinigg, Helmuth	48		3	-	9	6	-	6	-	6	9	9

3   Jaktlund, Bror	  27		4	-	4	3	9	-	4	3	-	-

4   Persson, Kennerth   24		-	-	-	-	3	1	3	9	6	2

5   Arpiainen, Mika	 21		-	-	-	2	6	-	9	4	-	-

6   Menzel, Harald	  11		-	-	-	4	2	2	-	-	-	3

7   Kronegård, Greger   10		-	-	-	-	-	4	-	2	4	-

8   Sirviö, Lasse		9		9	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

9   Tellsten, Rolf	   8		-	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-

10  Roos, Bertil		 7		-	-	3	1	-	3	-	-	-	-

11  Pryce, Tom		   6		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	6

12  Grainal, Freddy	  4		-	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

13  Kaufmann, Josef	  3		-	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

14  Henzler, Helmut	  2		-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

14  Hotz, Markus		 2		-	-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

14  Schörg, Lothar	   2		-	-	1	-	1	-	-	-	-	-

14  Kozarowitzky, Mikko  2		-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-	-

14  Bross, Helmut		2		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

19  Trint, Manfred	   1		1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

19  Schäfer, Bertram	 1		-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

19  Caprez, Ruedi		1		-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-

19  Henton, Brian		1		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-

19  Kottulinsky, Freddy  1		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1



Pos	 Name		  Total		Thr	Niv	Knu	Nür	Nür	Zel	Kei	Gur	Zan	Hoc

1   Royale			  59		6	9	6	9	4	9	6	1	3	6

2   Kaimann			 57		3	-	9	6	3	6	3	9	9	9

3   Veemax			  30		9	-	-	2	6	-	9	4	-	-

4   RPB				 27		4	-	4	3	9	-	4	3	-	-

5   Horag			   11		-	3	3	1	-	3	1	-	-	-

5   Lola				11		-	-	-	-	-	4	-	2	4	1

7   Palliser			 6		-	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

8   Fuchs				2		-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

8   RSM-Tasco			2		-	-	1	-	1	-	-	-	-	-

10  Crosslé			  1		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-
That year, a second championship was added, the "Trophäe" (Trophy), sponsored by Castrol. It was mainly contested in Germany and therefore constituted some sort of International German Championship. Most of the dates are unknown, and one points score also (spot it! :D)

						   		n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	9/3

Pos	 Name		  Total		Hoc	Mon	Sal	Hoc	Zan	Nür	Nor	Nür

1   Schurti, Manfred	107		20	20	20	15	-	12	20	-

2   Koinigg, Helmuth	105		15	-	15	20	-	20	15	20

3   Arpiainen, Mika	  71		-	12	8	8	20	-	8	15

3   Jaktlund, Bror	   71		10	10	12	12	-	15	-	12

5   Roos, Bertil		 46		6	4	-	10	12	6	-	8

6   Persson, Kennerth	37		-	-	-	-	15	-	12	10

7   Trint, Manfred	   27		8	-	-	6	10	3	-	-

8   Menzel, Harald	   25		-	15	10	-	-	-	-	-

9   Kronegård, Greger	20		-	-	-	-	-	10	10	-

10  Bross, Helmut		16		-	-	1	-	-	8	1	6

11  Tellsten, Rolf	   14		4	-	-	-	-	4	4	2

12  Sirviö, Lasse		12		12	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

13  Henzler, Helmut	  11		-	2	-	1	8	-	-	-

14  Lehmann, Knut Holger 10		-	6	-	-	-	-	-	4

15  Hotz, Markus		  8		-	8	-	-	-	-	-	-

15  Hoenle, Fred		  8		-	1	4	-	-	-	3	-

15  Schörg, Lothar		8		-	-	6	-	-	-	2	-

18  Schmickler, Detlef	7		-	-	-	-	6	-	-	1

18  Kottulinsky, Freddy   7		-	-	-	-	-	1	6	-

20  Rauh, Ralf			6		3	3	-	-	-	-	-	-

21  Töpfl				 5		-	-	-	2	-	-	-	3

22  Meray, Tibor		  4		-	-	-	4	-	-	-	-

22  Behling			   4		-	-	-	-	4	-	-	-

22  Vogt, Friedhelm	   4		-	-	-	-	2	2	-	-

25  Schüler, Gerhard	  3		-	-	-	3	-	-	-	-

25  Kaufmann, Josef	   3		-	-	-	-	3	-	-	-

25  Buess				 3		-	-	3	-	-	-	-	-

28  Weinrank, Günther	 2		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

29  Feitler			   1		1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

29  Berstermann		   1		-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-


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Posted 22 March 2002 - 08:12

Thanks for the tables Allen and Michael, these FSV results are something I've always wanted to know more about :up:
Some well known names too in the Euro series ! And some "racing daddies" : aren't the Menzel, Henzler and Schmickler the fathers of Christian, Wolf and Frank ?
About the 9th place at the 1972 Salzburg race of the Trophy do you think there was a disqualification "à la Hill au GP de l'ACF 1963" behind it ?

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Originally posted by Allen Brown
Piet - are you still out there?

1977
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1978
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1979
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Hi Allen,

This is exactly what I would like to know.
Many, many thanks.

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Don't know about Menzel and Schmickler, but I'm pretty sure Helmut is the dad of Wolf Henzler, or at least an uncle; they look quite alike. And no, I rather don't think they "did a Hill" at Salzburg, more probably just a glitch in my source.

Some interesting names also in the 1974 SCCA Championship: Ed Mulford and Chris Gleason - sons? Or, rather grandsons... :D And what's that at Laguna Seca:
12th Peter Moodie
13th Peter Moody
:eek: :drunk: :stoned:


Goldcup 1973			   		4/15	4/23	5/20	5/27	6/17	6/24	8/5	8/12	8/19	n/a

Pos	 Name		  Total		Niv	Thr	Zol	Nür	Hoc	Zel	Nür	Kar	Kei	Hoc

1   Koinigg, Helmuth	117		20	-	20	-	20	20	10	12	(6)	15

2   Kottulinsky, Freddy 105		12	(4)	-	-	8	15	20	20	20	10

3   Persson, Kennerth   101		15	12	-	20	12	12	15	(8)	15	-

4   Brorsson, Tommy	  64		3	8	-	15	(3)	8	8	10	12	(3)

5   Nilsson, Gunnar	  59		6	(3)	-	-	6	10	6	15	8	8

6   Arpiainen, Mika	  49		-	20	15	6	4	-	-	-	-	4

7   Trint, Manfred	   41		10	-	-	3	15	-	-	-	1	12

8   Schüler, Gerhard	 36		-	-	12	12	-	6	-	-	-	6

9   Bross, Helmut		33		-	10	8	10	-	2	-	1	2	-

10  Schörg, Lothar	   28		8	15	-	-	-	1	4	-	-	-

11  Morrison, John	   24		-	6	10	1	-	4	3	-	-	-

12  Ertl, Harald		 20		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	20

13  Schäfer, Bertram	 18		-	2	3	-	10	3	-	-	-	-

14  Giger, Franz		 14		-	-	-	-	2	-	-	6	4	2

15  Roos, Bertil		 12		-	-	-	-	-	-	12	-	-	-

16  Kozarowitzky, Mikko  10		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	10	-

17  Kaufmann, Josef	   9		-	-	-	8	1	-	-	-	-	-

18  Guidi, Gildo de	   7		1	-	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

19  Elsner, Herbert	   6		-	-	4	2	-	-	-	-	-	-

20  Hotz, Markus		  5		-	1	-	-	-	-	-	3	-	1

21  Christen, Louis	   4		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4	-	-

21  Dieudonné, Pierre	 4		4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

21  Meray, Tibor		  4		-	-	-	4	-	-	-	-	-	-

24  Jonsson, Jörgen	   3		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3	-

25  Caprez, Ruedi		 2		-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-	-

25  Cramer, Peter		 2		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Jaktlund, Bror		2		-	-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Rosberg, Keke		 2		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-

29  Güttes, Alexander	 1		-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-

29  Paridlis, Lennarth	1		-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-



Constructors 1973				  4/15	4/23	5/20	5/27	6/17	6/24	8/5	8/12	8/19	n/a

Pos	 Name		  Total		Niv	Thr	Zol	Nür	Hoc	Zel	Nür	Kar	Kei	Hoc

1   BP-Kaimann		  172		20	15	20	20	20	20	15	12	15	15

2   Lola				142		12	4	12	12	15	15	20	20	20	12

3   Veemax			   59		-	20	15	6	4	-	-	-	10	4

4   Motul				33		-	10	8	10	-	2	-	1	2	-

4   Tui				  33		-	6	10	1	-	4	12	-	-	-

6   Horag				26		4	1	6	8	1	-	2	3	-	1

7   Maco				 20		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	20

8   LCR-Giger			14		-	-	-	-	2	-	-	6	4	2

9   Fuchs				 4		-	-	-	4	-	-	-	-	-	-

10  JTS				   3		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3	-

11  RPB				   2		-	-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-



Trophy 1973						n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a

Pos	 Name		  Total		Hoc	Man	Niv	Die	Zan	Hoc	Nür	Nor

1   Persson, Kennerth   107		15	12	20	20	15	10	-	15

2   Koinigg, Helmuth	 87		-	20	-	15	12	20	20	-

3   Kottulinsky, Freddy  71		20	-	1	6	20	12	-	12

4   Brorsson, Tommy	  66		-	15	6	-	10	3	12	20

5   Nilsson, Gunnar	  54		12	4	15	-	-	6	15	2

6   Trint, Manfred	   40		-	10	12	-	-	8	10	-

7   Arpiainen, Mika	  35		8	1	10	12	-	4	-	-

8   Schüler, Gerhard	 25		-	-	-	2	8	15	-	-

9   Wendlinger, Karl	 20		4	-	-	8	6	-	1	1

10  Giger, Franz		 19		-	-	-	3	4	2	-	10

11  Cuicci, Claude	   16		-	8	8	-	-	-	-	-

12  Tellsten, Rolf	   14		-	-	-	-	-	-	6	8

13  Christen, Louis	  13		3	-	-	-	-	1	3	6

13  Lehmann, Knut Holger 13		10	-	-	-	3	-	-	-

15  Kozarowitzky, Mikko  11		-	3	4	4	-	-	-	-

16  Bross, Helmut		10		-	-	-	10	-	-	-	-

17  Kaufmann, Josef	   8		-	-	-	-	-	-	8	-

18  Elsner, Herbert	   6		-	6	-	-	-	-	-	-

18  Hoenle, Fred		  6		6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

20  Schäfer, Bertram	  5		-	-	-	-	-	-	2	3

20  Schörg, Lothar		5		-	-	2	1	2	-	-	-

22  Jaktlund, Bror		4		-	-	-	-	-	-	4	-

22  Kangas, Martti		4		-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4

24  Dieudonné, Pierre	 3		-	-	3	-	-	-	-	-

25  Jonsson, Jörgen	   2		-	2	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Warwick, David		2		1	-	-	-	1	-	-	-

25  Weinrank, Günther	 2		2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-



Goldcup 1974						5/19	6/2	8/4	8/11	8/18	9/8	9/22	9/29

Pos	 Name			   Total	Nür	Sal	Nür	Kar	Kei	Zol	Sil	Hoc

1   Kottulinsky, Freddy	  115	20	20	20	20	20	-	-	15

2   Persson, Kennerth		 82	15	15	12	12	8	(4)	-	20

3   Rosberg, Keke			 78	-	-	15	8	15	20	20	-

4   Morrison, John			53	-	-	8	15	-	15	15	-

5   Brorsson, Tommy		   46	12	10	(1)	2	10	-	2	10

6   Hubert, Bernard de Saint- 32	8	-	-	-	-	12	12	-

7   Bross, Helmut			 29	10	-	3	4	12	-	-	-

8   Trint, Manfred			26	-	2	-	-	4	8	8	4

9   Scharmann, Peter		  25	4	-	-	-	3	10	-	8

10  Bayern, Leopold von	   22	-	-	10	-	-	-	-	12

11  Raus, Walter			  20	-	12	-	1	-	-	1	6

11  Sundahl, Lennart		  20	-	4	-	6	1	3	6	-

13  Arvelid, Bengt			17	-	8	-	-	6	-	3	-

14  Caprez, Ruedi			 15	-	6	6	-	-	-	-	3

15  Barnett, Chris			10	-	-	-	-	-	-	10	-

15  Elgh, Eje				 10	-	-	-	10	-	-	-	-

17  Güttes, Alexander		  8	6	-	-	-	-	2	-	-

17  Reyners, Lucien			8	-	-	-	-	2	6	-	-

19  Schäfer, Bertram		   7	-	-	4	3	-	-	-	-

20  Ertl, Harald			   4	-	-	2	-	-	-	-	2

20  Venn, Bruce				4	-	-	-	-	-	-	4	-

22  Engel, Dieter			  3	2	-	-	-	-	1	-	-

22  Giger, Franz			   3	-	3	-	-	-	-	-	-

22  Kaufmann, Josef			3	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Kangas, Martti			 1	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Vogt, Friedhelm			1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1

25  Wendlinger, Karl		   1	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-



Constructors 1974			   	5/19	6/2	8/4	8/11	8/18	9/8	9/22	9/29

Pos	 Name			   Total	Nür	Sal	Nür	Kar	Kei	Zol	Sil	Hoc

1   Kaimann				  132	15	15	15	12	15	20	20	20

2   ATS-Lola				 115	20	20	20	20	20	-	-	15

3   Supernova				 53	-	-	8	15	-	15	15	-

4   Royale					47	8	6	6	-	-	12	12	3

5   Lola					  35	10	-	3	10	12	-	-	-

6   TOJ					   25	4	-	-	-	3	10	-	8

7   Elden					  7	-	-	-	3	-	-	4	-

7   Horag					  7	3	-	2	-	-	-	-	2

9   Giger					  3	-	3	-	-	-	-	-	-

9   Maco					   3	2	-	-	-	-	1	-	-

11  Veemax					 1	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-



Trophy 1974					 	4/28	6/9	6/30	7/14	7/21	9/1	9/15

Pos	 Name			   Total	Nür	Hoc	Zel	Hoc	Die	Avu	Nor

1   Persson, Kennerth		 84	15	15	(10)	15	12	12	15

2   Rosberg, Keke			 80	10	10	20	20	-	20	-

3   Kottulinsky, Freddy	   76	20	20	15	-	20	-	1

4   Schäfer, Bertram		  45	6	-	1	10	15	10	3

5   Brorsson, Tommy		   43	12	12	3	4	6	6	-

6   Bayern, Leopold von	   26	3	-	-	-	8	15	-

6   Trint, Manfred			26	-	6	-	-	10	-	10

8   Caprez, Ruedi			 20	-	8	-	12	-	-	-

8   Christen, Louis		   20	-	-	-	-	-	-	20

10  Scharmann, Peter		  17	-	-	-	1	-	4	12

11  Sundahl, Lennart		  16	-	-	2	6	-	8	-

12  Kaufmann, Josef		   13	8	-	-	-	1	-	4

13  Schurti, Manfred		  12	-	-	12	-	-	-	-

14  Günther, Horst			11	-	-	8	-	3	-	-

14  Raus, Walter			  11	-	3	-	-	-	-	8

16  Schmickler, Detlef		 9	-	-	-	3	-	-	6

17  Hubert, Bernard de Saint-  8	-	-	-	8	-	-	-

18  Engel, Dieter			  7	-	-	-	-	4	3	-

19  Oertli, Martin			 6	-	-	6	-	-	-	-

20  Arvelid, Bengt			 4	-	4	-	-	-	-	-

20  Cuicci, Claude			 4	-	-	4	-	-	-	-

20  Güttes, Alexander		  4	-	-	-	2	-	2	-

20  Ruhwedel, Detlef		   4	4	-	-	-	-	-	-

24  Meray, Tibor			   3	-	-	-	-	-	1	2

25  Braillard, Willy		   2	2	-	-	-	-	-	-

25  Elgh, Eje				  2	-	2	-	-	-	-	-

25  Schelle, Reinhold		  2	-	-	-	-	2	-	-

28  Radünz, Karl-Heinz		 1	-	1	-	-	-	-	-

28  Vogt, Friedhelm			1	1	-	-	-	-	-	-


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#40 Jim Thurman

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Posted 22 March 2002 - 22:25

Originally posted by fines
Don't know about Menzel and Schmickler, but I'm pretty sure Helmut is the dad of Wolf Henzler, or at least an uncle; they look quite alike. And no, I rather don't think they "did a Hill" at Salzburg, more probably just a glitch in my source.

Some interesting names also in the 1974 SCCA Championship: Ed Mulford and Chris Gleason - sons? Or, rather grandsons... :D And what's that at Laguna Seca:
12th Peter Moodie
13th Peter Moody
:eek: :drunk: :stoned:


fines, he almost always was listed as "Moodie" in the results in U.S. publications.

I wondered the same thing about Mulford. If he was, he would have to have been a grandson of Ralph.

Gleason, I wouldn't think he was related. Reasonably common name, but you never know!.

Thanks for posting the European FSV tables, and thanks Allen for the U.S. FSV tables :up:


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Posted 22 March 2002 - 23:54

European Champions:
1971 Erich Breinsberg (Goldcup)
1972 Manfred Schurti (Goldcup & Trophy)
1973 Helmuth Koinigg (Goldcup), Kennerth Persson (Trophy)
1974 Freddy Kottulinsky (Goldcup), Kennerth Persson (Trophy)
1975 Mikko Kozarowitzky (Goldcup), Keke Rosberg (Trophy)
1976 Mika Arpiainen (Goldcup & Trophy)
1977 Arie Luyendijk
1978 Helmut Henzler
1979 John Nielsen
1980 John Nielsen
1981 John Nielsen
1982 Walter Lechner

British Super Vee Champions:
1971 Mike Heyselden
1972 Tony Roberts
1973 John Morrison
1974 Chris Barnett
1975 Mike Young
1976 John Morrison
1977 Olly Hollamby
1978 Bruce Venn
1979 Olly Hollamby
1980 Dave Greenwood (BARC)
1981 ??? (BARC)

German Super Vee Champions (ONS):
1973 Manfred Trint (?)
1974 Bertram Schäfer
1975 Keke Rosberg
1976 Dieter Engel
1977 Dieter Engel
1978 Helmut Henzler
1979 Frank Jelinski
1980 Günter Gebhardt

US Super Vee Champions:
1971 Bill Scott (SCCA)
1972 Bill Scott (SCCA)
1973 Bertil Roos (SCCA)
1974 Elliott Forbes-Robinson (SCCA)
1975 Eddie Miller (SCCA)
1976 Tom Bagley (SCCA)
1977 Bob Lazier (SCCA), Tom Bagley & Herm Johnson (USAC)
1978 Bill Alsup (SCCA & USAC)
1979 Geoff Brabham (SCCA), Dennis Firestone (USAC)
1980 Peter Kuhn (SCCA)
1981 Al Unser, Jr. (SCCA)
1982 Michael Andretti (SCCA)
1983 Ed Pimm (SCCA)
1984 Arie Luyendijk (SCCA)
1985 Ken Johnson (SCCA)
1986 Didier Theys (SCCA)
1987 Scott Atchison (SCCA)
1988 Ken Murillo (SCCA)
1989 Mark Smith (SCCA)
1990 Stuart Crow (SCCA)

#42 Allen Brown

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Posted 23 March 2002 - 10:29

Originally posted by Piet Ram
Hi Allen,

This is exactly what I would like to know.
Many, many thanks.

Piet

Piet

OK then:

1980
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1981
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1982
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Edited by Allen Brown, 09 May 2010 - 20:06.


#43 kris

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 14:35

Allen, could you also post results of the 1983-1984-1985 Super Vee SCCA series ??

Kris

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 15:15

Kris, try http://www.teamdan.c...erv/superv.html

#45 Allen Brown

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 22:15

Originally posted by kris
Allen, could you also post results of the 1983-1984-1985 Super Vee SCCA series ??

Kris

Hi Kris

Wish I could but the SCCA Yearbook I had only went up to 1982. Sorry!

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 22:33

Michael Andreti's bio note that he raced in three super vee events in 1981 -
I've seen an STP pic taken in Michigan that show Mario in a CART car with Michael in a Super Vee with the same look.
Can someone tell me what were the three races in 1981 and the results Mike earned in those races, certainly not in the top 12 as he isn't shown scoring any points in the SCCA Yearbooks scans from Allen.

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 00:01

Allen, could there be a page or two about the 1980 and 1981 SCCA Formula Ford season in the yearbooks- If so , could you please post some scans -

Making a research for every races Michael and John Andretti entered in their prime years (1980-1983 for Mike and 1980-1987 for John), I'm trying to find everything on their career in SCCA which covered Formula Ford and Super Vee at the time but I didn't find a website or any results for those years in Formula Ford-

I made this thread regarding Formula Ford : SCCA Formula Ford

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 01:24

From the book “Road America, five decades of racing at Elkhart Lake” - 1982 Super Vee comment

The last weekend in July all the SCCA’s pro series congregated at R.A.- Saturday held round five of the Bosch / VW Super Vee championship. Ed Pimm, driving a Red Roof Inns Ralt RT5 for Jim Trueman, qualified on the pole and was the race’s initial pacesitter. His cause was aided on the first lap when Mike Rosen made a vastly overenthusiastic passing attempt on Michael Andretti, taking both off. Andretti, who had won the first two rounds of the season, regained the track, but in twelth place. Pimm was steadily increasing his lead, trailed by Davy Jones and Peter Moodie. The 18 year old Jones had just become eligible for US racing, having driven previously in Canada. Moodie was in an Anson SA3C, a new English chassis that was making its US debut. The car was entered by engine builder Bertil Sollenskog, who had previously run a Ralt. Unfortunately for Pimm, his romp at the front ended with a failing gearbox. His pace slowed, and Moodie, Jones, and a recovering Andretti passed, relegating Ed to fourth. Moodie took the win, a sparkling first time out triumph for Anson. Andretti’s third put him back into first in points, a position he was to hold the rest of the season, notching six wins enroute to the tittle.

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 12:06

Kris

Michael Andretti (STP Ralt RT5) was classified 20th at Michigan (20 Sept 1981). He was up with the front runners, and even led for 7 laps, before retiring with fuel pump problems near the end of the race.

At Riverside (4 Oct ) he was classified 18th after retiring with an overheating engine following a minor collision with Arie Lyyendyk (March 81V).

Finally at Phoenix ( 8 Nov ) Mike was classified 16th. He retired after hitting the wall and breaking a wheel whilst engaged in a race for 3rd place with Cicconi. Here the entrant was given, JLP Racing STP.

Hope this helps. (Reports in NSSN)

John

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Posted 19 February 2005 - 12:16

Thanks a lot, would you have Mike's position & his cousin John's position in the standings for year 1983 in SCCA Super Vee