September 11th, 2001: 24 Hours on the Atlas F1 Bulletin Board
#1
Posted 11 September 2001 - 18:50
I really feel sick thinking about the loss of life today. I followed the whole thing on the internet this afternoon, and I just saw the footage of the tragedy from home. This is a sad day for humanity, and an even sadder day for the United States of America and its citizens. My thoughts are with them.
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#2
Posted 11 September 2001 - 19:32
#3
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:51
#4
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:59
Many people died today, and among them people from all religions. At a time when even President Khatami from Iran condemns harshly such a horrible act, it is unfair to try to blame a whole religious current for this tragedy!
#5
Posted 11 September 2001 - 22:48
But I won't let this thread become some sort of hate repository. There are many ways to shoot down in flame such a post, but publicly wishing ill on one poster or his family is not a valid way to do it.
#6
Posted 11 September 2001 - 14:18
#7
Posted 11 September 2001 - 14:33
50,000 people work at the world trade center...
#8
Posted 11 September 2001 - 14:34
#9
Posted 11 September 2001 - 15:44
2) This is very much the style of the Islamic Jihad. These are radical terrorists - please do NOT tag the blame to the entire arab or Palestinian people.
3) I can relate to everyone here who is emotional, edgy, even hysteric - I know I am (a lot of people I know are working there, and a lot others are in clear danger.) Nevertheless, PLEASE DO NOT POST HYSTERICAL POSTS, and PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK EACH OTHER.
I would like to participate in this 'vigil-like' news thread with you all, and ebb my concerns alongside you all. Please don't give me admin work on top of this.
#10
Posted 11 September 2001 - 15:54
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
The coverage of this in america is astounding. I know its a massive event, but to see the world trade center collapse on ESPN and VH1 is simply mind blowing
Ross it's even more mind blowing when you think that I am in a hotel in Itlay, and EVERY SINGLE CHANNEL here has dropped all other programs and are covering this live. I know the same is in Israel. I doubt there are many countries who aren't right now covering this and only this. This is such a huge thing, it will affect everyone, not just those hit directly.
I know Israel and the Palestinians are now both in a state of panic from what will happen hereon, for different reasons of course. But nonetheless, this is certainly has taken everyone into the mode of 'worst case scenario'
#11
Posted 11 September 2001 - 15:56
#12
Posted 11 September 2001 - 15:59
#13
Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:04
Originally posted by Smooth
Why is it that Bin Laden and Hussain are even still drawing breath? The US should have knocked them both out. If Bin Laden is responsible for this, after his other mass-murders, many in power should have many questions to answer.
I don't think either of these men are responsible for this and, as odd as it may sound, these two are not the Western World's worst fear. Killing them would only make the threat bigger because they are
#14
Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:18
I agree with you completely - this is organised terrorism. And I am really more and more convinced that this is the work of one of the fractions in the Islamic Jihad. This has been for years the most orgasined, best financed and thus dangerous organisation. What astonishes me is that they do things in the name of the Palesitinian's cause, yet I am 100% sure no single Palestinian in the Occupied Territories will condone this.
#15
Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:23
Originally posted by Rob G
****ing brilliant. The NBC newsguy on site at the Pentagon said that "the plane hit on the wrong side", because the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and other important offices are there. Really responsible journalism.
I'll take the stance of protecting the media in these hard hours
Rob G - you can imagine he didn't express disappointment but rather convey information of how the impact, politically, has been lessened by the fact that the plane hit the "wrong" side. You don't have quotation marks or smilies on TV, after all.
Spare a thought for these reporters - most of them are reporting in an area where they themselves live and work. They need to report live one of the biggest tragedies in the country's history and they need to do it with little information available. And I think we are all thankful to have as much info and pictures right now as possible, are we not? So let's not attack them right now - none of us would want to be in their place right now
#16
Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:27
Maybe I am naive, but I really do believe that these attacks and the joyous reactions reported really represent only a small fraction
#17
Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:54
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Posted 11 September 2001 - 16:57
#19
Posted 11 September 2001 - 17:49
GrayCat, Mila, Jackman, Cece and Ivan
Sorry if I forgot anyone. These are the posters I remember that are from NY (Ivan from DC).
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#20
Posted 11 September 2001 - 18:14
Call your parents right now! They are either worried sick or oblivious. Either way, they'd want to hear from you asap.
#21
Posted 11 September 2001 - 18:19
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Posted 11 September 2001 - 18:28
#23
Posted 11 September 2001 - 19:15
Originally posted by Smooth
Is $24 billion enough to bug the homes of every person on earth? Funny you critisize others for jumping the gun without having all the info, yet you prove yourself to be no better.
Without knowing who did this, how can it be said it was preventable?
Sorry smooth, I agree with the criticism. That is a collosal intelligence failure. As I said before, this was a very meticulous and very big organisational attack. With so many parameters involved, and quite a few people, the US Intelligence should have had some perliminary information. This attack took them COMPLETELY by surprise. It's a big **** up any which way you look at it.
#24
Posted 11 September 2001 - 19:31
I'm sure Iam Pei - the WTC designer and a brilliant engineer/architect - couldn't have done anything whatsoever to prevent such an attack. He had an accidental plane hitting in mind - not a deliberate duel attack
#25
Posted 11 September 2001 - 20:44
He said something, for example, which answers our question Mosquito - he says the WTC was built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 which probably was the largest of it's kind back then, dunno. In any event, these terrorists knew it and selected deliberately the 757 and 767 which are far bigger planes.
#26
Posted 11 September 2001 - 20:51
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Im beginning to wonder how hard this was to organise. I can get flight schedules several months in advance. It wouldnt be hard for me to find 4 planes, it wouldnt be hard for me to get people into the country. I could get weapons on board. Just use a large ceramic knife. It takes some organisation, but it doesnt really seem that difficult
I think that such an orchastrated attack needs primarily meticulous and lengthy planning, because too many things can go wrong. One person caught can jeopardise the entire operation. To co-ordinate this is absolutely mind boggling. No, I don't think this is easy at all
#27
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:07
Barbara Olson, who was killed on one of these flights, had talked to her husband Ted Olson (the Attorney General or something) and she told him all the passangers and crew INCLUDING THE PILOTS were assembled at the end of the plane. The hijacker's only weapons were regular knives and cardboard cutters. Amazing. Simply amazing.
#28
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:12
Originally posted by Sammyed
Israeli´prime minister speaking right now...
*yawn*
#29
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:15
Originally posted by Boston Killer
Sharon knows a thing or two about terrorism
Not least of all, how to instigate it
But, I digress. I'll leave Israeli politics out of this
#30
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:17
Originally posted by J
Jetliner travels about four miles per minute even on those altitudes as used in this attack. Vectoring routes for Newark/LaGuardia/JFK are so close to manhattan that there were no way to prevent what happened.
There may be a possibility that the Philidephia crew hear about the fate of others, for example thru´ company frequence and tried at least to put it down somewhere, where the casualtieis would stay at minimum.
J
The current speculations I hear in the reports is that the pilot of that flight realized what is about to happen and crashed the plane by himself where there are not civilians.
To me, if this turns to be true, that's the essense of heroism
#31
Posted 11 September 2001 - 21:25
#32
Posted 11 September 2001 - 14:45
I am crying.
I was supposed to fly to Europe for two weeks starting tomorrow night. I wanted to leave today. Thank God I didn't.
Anyone who is near the attack sites - keep safe.
#33
Posted 11 September 2001 - 18:38
I heard this only applies to domestic flights (within US). International travel is likely still on hold indefinitely.Originally posted by tifoso
Just heard that all U.S. flights are grounded until at least tomorrow noon.
#34
Posted 11 September 2001 - 20:21
I must say I understand this. I was scheduled to fly to Europe tomorrow and it's obvious I won't be able to. Even after the moratorium on flight is lifted, I'm thinking I'll delay my departure for a while afterwards. I don't know how long.Originally posted by John B
My best friend is scheduled to fly next week and already has contemplated cancelling his trip.
Forgive me for rambling - my head's not screwed on straight right now.
#35
Posted 11 September 2001 - 20:37
Yeah, someone did that here as well. I have refused to watch. What I see on the Web is horrifying enough.Originally posted by John B
I brought my TV in here this morning and there are a number of people who have come in several times in a stunned way.
I understand, and I appreciate your bringing this good point up. I cannot speak for everyone, but many people have to take domestic flights in order to connect with international ones, myself included. When I do, I go through security once in the podunk one-runway airport I fly out of locally and that's it. So as far as security on international flights being more stringent, all I can say is "not always."Originally posted by TheDestroyer
let's not forget that these were all domestic flights that were hijacked. security on domestic flights is far more lax than international flights - this will change.
I don't mean to belittle the experiences of those closer to the devastation than I am by grinding about my personal travel plight. Like I said, I am rambling. I am shocked by this event, by what I have seen and read. Utterly shocked.
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Posted 12 September 2001 - 03:06
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Posted 12 September 2001 - 03:13
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Posted 12 September 2001 - 03:42
#39
Posted 12 September 2001 - 06:06
X10.com, purveyors of tiny wireless cameras whose ubiquitous popup ads plague me on a number of sites I visit, has apparently replaced all its popups with the following: http://ads.x10.com/all/suspend.htmOriginally posted by maxpapis
I found this interesting.
Amazon.com has changed their front page to a place where you can donate money to the Red Cross.
It's a nice change of scenery to see a business forgoing profits to help others.
I'm sure there are many others following suit as well.
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#40
Posted 12 September 2001 - 06:44
My father shares that belief; he, my mother and sister all live in California. I'm hoping these opinions are incorrect as well, but at the moment I can't honestly rule it out.Originally posted by 312 PB
I can tell you that tensions are high in California. Many believe that an attack is on the way once the flights resume here. I can only pray that these views are wrong.
#41
Posted 12 September 2001 - 07:47
Directly - try http://www.redcross....ate/donate.html
Found this on Yahoo! - might also be worth a shot
http://paydirect.yah...ssMoney-drv.pd/
#42
Posted 12 September 2001 - 08:02
My parents wanted to give blood but since they just did so on 22 July they can't again until 22 September How frustrating is that???
#43
Posted 12 September 2001 - 02:22
On sucha dark day in history it is good to see folks like bira espouse a rational and calming voice. I'm like Smooth -- I want blood. but it is kneejerk and unfortunately would never lead to true justice, but likely just more death.
It smells like Islamic Jihad.
#44
Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:28
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Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:42
#46
Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:47
Possibly a plane which hit the Pentagon.
#47
Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:54
THIS IS WAR, MAY THE BASTARDS RESPONSIBLE PAY DEARLY WITH THEIR LIVES AND THE LIVES OF THEIR LOVED ONES!!!
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Posted 11 September 2001 - 15:24
#49
Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:21
#50
Posted 11 September 2001 - 13:22