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[Hellenic tifosi]

As many people here already know, I am very critical of the US' political actions and I don't approve them at all. But what happened today was really devastating and shocking. I would like to express my deepest sympathies to everyone who has lost friends or family members in this terrorist attack. I really hope that those who though and planned this attack will be cought and severly punished.

Also, I would like to hear your opinions on the way Bush handles the situation. I think that the fact that he didn't go to Washington or NY, but he chose to play it safe and stay away from the events instead, makes him seem incapable of handling it. A REAL leader would have acted otherwise IMHO.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Personally, I feel very sorry for all innnocent Americans, Yugoslavians, Vietnamese, etc, who have been killed during the numerous wars of this century..... It's always simple people like me and you who pay the price of those bloody political games....

[Hellenic tifosi]

Excuse me, but if the US are not bombing Afghanistan, then who the hell is doing so? I guess that the State Department knows the truth behind those bombings; the CIA must have informed them...

[Hellenic tifosi]

Ok, thanks A3 and Vitesse.......

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by TNSFH
The TV is saying that they employ about 50,000 total in the buildings.

I fear for all the rescue workers that may have been under the collapse. My prayer is for their safety.

Another station asked an expert about how many would have normally been in the towers at that time and he said 10,000 in each tower with probably 5,000 visitors.

[Joe Fan]

All outgoing flights in the U.S. have been cancelled. Even in here in the heartland of Kansas City, all Federal buildings in Kansas City have been closed and the streets around them.

[Joe Fan]

There are reports that another building, that was hit by debris from the falling towers, is feared to be ready to collapse.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by Daemon
Whoever was flying that second plane to crash into the WT towers knew his business. He was either an Airline pilot, or former military. Not many people get to fly them, and crashing one into a large building like that may seem easy, but it's not. Those things just don't steer. And it was not the Airlines pilot, he/she would have put it straight into the mud if that ordered to crash into a populated area.

Bingo! You're absolutely correct. If I were an Airlines pilot and was ordered to fly into the World Trade Center, I would have dumped that plane into the harbor. If you are going to die, spare as many lives as you can. That is the mentality of most pilots. Believe it or not, situations have arisen in race crashes where drivers have steered their runaway car away from the crowd. American sports car driver Lou Brero did this while on fire in his fatal crash in the 50's. Whoever crashed those planes into the building were the terrorists who were trained to fly these planes.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by ffiloseta
If the attacks continue, this will cause the US to los stability. Take this scenario to extremes and you could even see the union crumble, with states declaring independence.

My friend you are sorely underestimating the inner strength of Americans and our nation. We are not weak and feeble minded folk. When ****ed with in situations like this, we band togehter and get revenge.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by ffiloseta


I am not underestimating anyone. And I am not calling anyone weak of feebleminded. I know what you guys are made of. That's why I have always admired you. But I think You are probably underestimating terrorism. When there is no one to fight against, what do you do ? War against shadows ?

Well, first of all I would take out any and all terrorist groups that are suspected to be anti-American. If that didn't resolve the problem, then it is time to start in with countries that are known to be anti-American that housing these terrorists. Eventually, you will get all your targets or you will get your point across. Unfortunately, many more innocent people will likely to be killed but if that is what it takes, so be it. This is full scale war whether we want to admit it or not. It doesn't look good for the prospects of world peace for awhile.

[Joe Fan]

Just in, it is estimated that there are 10,000 killed in the World Trade Center towers collapse. Someone from the 92 floor made it out alive.

[Joe Fan]

Trust me, they will have a very good idea who was behind this in a few weeks. Everybody has to show ID to board a flight and even if they have shown fake IDs, after interviewing airlines personal and survivors of the passengers from all the highjacked flights, they should be able narrow down who was behind this.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by ffiloseta


Were there any ?

What I meant by that is the family of the passengers who were killed. It is common here to call people "survivors" who are living family members of those who have deceased. After interviewing them, they should have an idea who could have been behind this.

[Joe Fan]

See above post Mosquito. If I died today, they would say "Joe Fan died today but was survived by his wife Mrs. Fan." It is just a strange use of words but this is what we say here.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by Bjorn
Many of the planes on their way across the Atlantic to the US have turned around and sent to Keflavik airport in Iceland. Just saw pictures from there, there are ambulances waiting at the end of the runway, police are everywhere and the airport has been evacuated.

I heard that they had little choice really. Because we were prepared to shoot down any plane that got near our shores. This is why many planes were directed towards Canada. Send everybody home and anyone who doesn't turn back is a potential flying grenade.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by PeaQ
sure its easy to critisize the intelligence, but seriously, even if some analyst at pentagon said three days ago, that a terrorist group will hijack four, big airplanes, and then crash them into both World Trade Center buildings, AND into Pentagon, would anyone believe him?

I agree. It is easy to criticize but this was impossible to stop. Even if we had a hint that this happen, how could you determine what threat was a hoax or which was real. Nutters could basically paralyze all air travel on any given day here with bogus threats. This is just as much what terrorists want to do more than anything else--be a thorn in your side and create terror and fear. Who really would think that a several terrorists would take their own life for such an event and in unison? It seems too far-fetched now let alone 12 hours ago.

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by Mr. Salty
My God, just saw amateur video from a guy that was *across the street* when the 1st tower collapsed. He filmed it all the way down, he was repeating "I hope I live, I hope I live" as it rained down. He ducked behind a car, then the screen goes black from all the debris. Then he gets up and starts looking for people to help. Amazing......

What channel was this on?

[Joe Fan]

Thanks Salty and Destroyer!

[Joe Fan]

There are religions and those misguided by religion. I doubt any religion would condone what was done today. This could be as much political as it is anything else.

[Joe Fan]

Holy Cow Are we bombing Kabul, Afghanistan now?

[Joe Fan]

Looks like its very premature to say that it is the US that is bombing Kabul. Senator Hatch is on live and has no info that we are bombing. Looks to be part of the civil war. I have watched enough CNN coverage of the Gulf War and this looks very tame.

[Joe Fan]

Did you hear what Senator Orrin Hatch just said about those people dancing in the streets?

[Joe Fan]

Just in, the strikes in Kabul WERE NOT PART OF US ATTACKS

[Joe Fan]

PeaQ, he said that these people are our enemies and we ought to remember that!

[Joe Fan]

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Originally posted by StuffedBeaver
3. Bush should have immediately returned to DC without thought to his own safety, the advice he took to dodge around the country was indefensible, he should have been with his people.

Sorry but I totally disagree as this would make no ****ing sense. Go right where the biggest threat is and risk the possibly of the command posts being taken out? They had already rammed the Pentagon for cryin out loud!!!

Besides, they already said that he didn't have a say in the decision. The decisions where they set up shop were being made for him.

[Nikolas Garth]

I am so thankful that it appears as though the Atlas regulars(Todd, RedFever, Jackman, and anyone else I have forgotten) who live and work in New York are okay.

As soon as I saw this I was wondering about you lot.

I can't help but believe that if America doesn't retaliate(against who?) in a big, big way, this could happen again.

What a situation.

[Oho]

Ave !!!

Pearl Harbor, perhaps it has been said but can't brouse the entire topic...

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[Oho]

Ave !!!!

I dont think it was the Palestinians. They have strived to gain the mantle of the victim, now they have the sympathies of almost the entire world. If they did this, it would be a national suicide, almost granting Israel carte balnche to act as they please.

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[Oho]

Ave !!!

I sincerely doubt the designated pilots flew the planes. I think they were shot and the planes were flown by the perpetrators. I really dont think it is that difficult to fly a commercial plane after its properly airborne and functioning properly . Extensive training with a simulator kind PC game I think should be sufficient.

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[Oho]

Ave !!!

Bin Ladin is Saudi, not a Palestinian. While I think a great many Palestininas are blinded by their rage and hate (the same applies to Israeli) I belive this is beyond them. To the best of my knowledege the Palestian terrorist freedom fighter what ever organizations operate primarily in the occupied areas and less in Israel but not outside. This act would have been insane even by their standards but certainly not by Ladins (or is it Laden).

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[Paste]

This is scary. In north america we don't seem to associate ourselves directly with terrorist activity. This really brings it all home and puts it all into perspective. It's absolutely unbelievable.

Those responsible are the most cowardous people on the face of the earth. To murder innocent civilians is sick. I can't believe this.

I've prayed for all those people in the affected areas and the families of those who worked there.

[Viktor]

Im in shock, who can do this? This will defenetly change the world as we know it.

/Viktor

[Zawed]

Just found out the news, I'm shocked! Can't believe what is happening here.

I hope that the US uses all its resources to find and punish those responsible.

I'm thinking of all people who have in their way been affected by this act of terrorism.

[coyoteBR]

Two things:
First and most important:
Are all you north-american posters unhurt?

second:
does anyone took the responsability for the atack?

Another info:
Brazilian stock exchange closed its operations after dropping nine points, as a reflex of the tragedy. I suspect that is happening around the globe. Get ready, people, the planet economy will short-circuit for a while.

[coyoteBR]

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Originally posted by slc
I don't think anyone dares to take responsibilty, the attack was just too "succesful"....if they even hint they might responsible they'll be dodging bombs in no time...

I am afraid of something: could the terrorists be north-american crazy militians? And, in that case, throw bombs in what?

Even if they come from foreign countries, no country or government can be held responsible for the acts of 20 insane inhabitants. It's a complex problem.

News: Hospitals of NY are short of blood. (from e-paper folha.com.br)

Let's pray (whatever is your idea of praying) for the victms and those who are helping

[coyoteBR]

I can just hope now mr. W. and his generals to have much discerniment and light to handle this situation.

An insane act is not the answer to an insane act.

Again, all the best for those who are working with the victms on Washington and NY

[coyoteBR]

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Originally posted by TheDestroyer
it's not just up to us. The USA will need the concerted efforts of ALL nations to contain terrorism.

These attacks happened here but it has far reaching effects throughout the world.

You are right, Destroyer, and this is already happening. See the letter Brazilian president FHC send to Bush (my translation)


Mister President
The news concerning terrorist atacks in New York and Washington caused indignation in Brazil. It caused us deep sadness the tragic loose of human lives.

In the name ofBrazilian people, I wish to show you our solidarity on this extremilly dificult moment. Brazil conmdems in the most possible strong terms all forms os terrorism

We'll continue to support the efords of international comunity to vanish ths unacetable practices that are completelly uncompatibles with the building of an international order based on justice principles.

Highest regards
Fernando Henrique Cardoso
Republic President

[coyoteBR]

From reuters: there are 266 persons on the planes involved on the atacks.

Lord...

[coyoteBR]

Boston Killer:

In Brazil, Dollar reached 2,62 reais (was around R$ 2,20 ) before the market decided to stop transations.
The Stock Exchange of São Paulo dropped nine points and decided to close earlier, too.Seems that practice is happening all over Europe.

Global economy is in short-circuit

[gerry nassar]

Just saw this thread so i turned on the TV and there it was. SHOCKING!!!! Have they reported on any casualties??

[gerry nassar]

so its quite possible the plane was full of people - this is horrible

[gerry nassar]

a part of the white house too!!!!!!!! this is gonna be WAR!

[gerry nassar]

US ABC has mistaken fire at the Pentagon for fire at white house.

[gerry nassar]

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the innocent people effected by this.

Those filth responsible for this must be destroyed!

[gerry nassar]

my god this is horrendus

[gerry nassar]

I bet its Osama and his cowards f#@#s! Theyve been planning these things for years now. Each and everyone of these terrorists must be hunted down and finnished off!!!

[gerry nassar]

No matter what religion you are (or even if u dont believe) say a little prayer or anything for all the people and families affected.

Im trying not to let all this anger and hatred to get the better of me.

[gerry nassar]

Good news smooth!

[gerry nassar]

experts are saying that very few terrorist groups are capable of such mass destruction. Its incredible how this flew under the radar. Its chilling.

[gerry nassar]

never would i have imagined that i would watch live the twin towers collapsing b4 my eyes. Its one of the most shocking things i have ever witnessed. I pray we dont see anything this bad again.