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[RDM]

Not sure if this has already been posted, (apols if so, moderators pls delete if so etc.), however, there was an interesting discussion on BBC Radio 5 here in the UK, involving, amongst others, Eddie Jordan, Anthony Rowlandson(sp?) (former Autosport editor), Alan Henry and Maurice Hamilton.

This can be heard directly (certainly by British Net users) at the following link: http://www.bbc.co.uk..._schumacher.ram

or can be DL'd from my website (it's a zipped up .ra file) at: http://www.hitchin-c..._Schumacher.zip

(pls use the direct BBC link if possible to save my bandwidth)

I'm not certain everybody here would agree with every view of Eddie's...

[Option1]

Why would I listen to something perjoratively titled "Trial" and the obvious inference that there is something he needs to be tried for? **** that for a joke.

Neil

[Orin]

Originally posted by RDM
I'm not certain everybody here would agree with every view of Eddie's...

Eddie has always been a Schumacher apologist, something about discovering him I believe. Not listened to it yet.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Option1
Why would I listen to something perjoratively titled "Trial" and the obvious inference that there is something he needs to be tried for? **** that for a joke.

Neil

Yes...I'm inclined to agree that the title ain't perfect, but that was the BBC's decision, not mine.

However, given that even the staunchest Schumacher fan (of which I am (was?) one) would tend to concede that Schumacher has on occasion been a little contoversial, there does seem reasonable grounds for discussion.

And, in any case, the subtext of the show is to establish, through a "court" if Michael Schumacher is the greatest driver in the history of the sport. It's worth a listen IMO, and I'd suggest forgetting the title for a moment if it offends you, and listening to the opinions made on the show. As I say, Eddie has some quite forthright views!

Originally posted by Orin
Eddie has always been a Schumacher apologist, something about discovering him I believe. Not listened to it yet.

Eddie claims to have "discovered" half the grid! I think his opinions on Schumacher go beyond "discovering" him, and he does make some interesting, and occasionally accurate, views about the way the British press have vilified him compared with the rest of the world.

[jokuvaan]

Trial of MS has to wait tens of years, inside information takes long time to leak.

[Orin]

Jordon on Adelaide '94: "Damon left the door open and Michael took it"

I've not time to listen to the whole thing, but how many did he have to drink? Freudian, surely?

[Limits]

Almost through now. Interesting, but Eddie Jordan annoys me as hell. I almost turned it off after ten minutes.

[Limits]

Actually, which one of you are Eddie Jordan, I am sure he is posting on this forum ;)
How he turns Keke's response to a journos question about what he thought about Schumis parking in Monaco into a claim that "because Nico had been granted a German licence he tried to make Top Dog in Germany by discreding Schumi" (my words, not an exact quote) is priceless

[carbonfibre]

Keke deserved it though.;)

Nah didnt even read the article, not sure it's very interesting, i assume it's a sumup of all the things Michael has done wrong mostly and only partly about the great things.

[Insane111]

No, there's two people arguing for each side (or rather, shouting at each other) and if anything the pro Schumacher people speak the most, especially Jordan. Full of conspiracy theories he is.

Eddie Jordan's motto (apparently) - If you aren't willing to cheat, you're not driving for my team!

[prty]

Originally posted by Limits
Actually, which one of you are Eddie Jordan, I am sure he is posting on this forum ;)
How he turns Keke's response to a journos question about what he thought about Schumis parking in Monaco into a claim that "because Nico had been granted a German licence he tried to make Top Dog in Germany by discreding Schumi" (my words, not an exact quote) is priceless

And the reply he got "I think the most worrying thing about this is that I think Eddie Jordan actually believes that"

Good find by the way.

[Limits]

Originally posted by carbonfibre
Keke deserved it though.;)

Nah didnt even read the article, not sure it's very interesting, i assume it's a sumup of all the things Michael has done wrong mostly and only partly about the great things.

You don't have to read, just let it flow out around from your speakers while you do more important things

[carbonfibre]

Ah that's quite handy as well, thought i would have to go to a lot of pages again.

[Ivan]

Damn this interview is funny.

[Tigershark]

Originally posted by Ivan
Damn this interview is funny.

It is.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Tigershark
It is.

Hehe, even better from the beginning:
http://www.youtube.c...related&search=

[Ilaya]

Interesting certainly in the current off season, but indeed the shouting at eachother made it hard to listen to the whole thing.
But anyway thanks for bringing it up, good find.

[Ricardo F1]

The bit where Eddie Jordan tries to explain Schumacher hitting Villeneuve was done because his water rail was broken and he lost control on the water is priceless.

[Limits]

Actually, I am amazed that Eddie managed to stay for so long in F1 as he did. I thought the brainless court case he had against a sponsor, have forgotten the details but I am sure you know what I mean, was a temporary circumstantial brainfade but I now believe that it was something that actually had waited far too long to happen.

I will never pay any attention to whatever he says ever in the future other than maybe for a laugh.

[312 PB]

What's that show Eddie did copying the Donald? Caught an episode the other nite where he took some hooligans to a Honda shop.

[RDM]

Originally posted by 312 PB
What's that show Eddie did copying the Donald? Caught an episode the other nite where he took some hooligans to a Honda shop.

Bad Boy Racers.

At least his wig isn't as obvious as Donald's

[santori]

God, Eddie Jordan is annoying. The Ann Coulter of F1 discussions.

[qvn]

Originally posted by Orin


Eddie has always been a Schumacher apologist

Why? He would be the last person to defend Michael after what Michael did to him in 1991.

However, Eddie Jordan must admire Michael immensely simply because of his greatness. I could not see any orther reason for it.

[Ricardo F1]

Why? Because he 'found' this talent. It's Eddies only legacy. His apologies for Schumacher in that interview are beyond embarassing.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
His apologies for Schumacher in that interview are beyond embarassing.

Indeed.

Funny sidenote - the final "verdict" was very eloquent and detailed, but was delivered in the same second as the last argument faded. Evidence indicates that it did not matter what Eddie said. It did not matter what anyone else said either

[F1Fanatic.co.uk]

From listening to it, it sounds like Jordan enjoys winding up certain elements of the British press and that, rather than objective analysis, was his game. Funny programme, but I wouldn't take it too seriously.

[Imperial]

Not that I want to give F1 Racing (at least the Uk edition) a free advertisement, but you can catch more bullshit spouting from Eddie Jordan's mouth every month on the back page of said magazine.

Actually, his article is always small enough to read in a shop without actually buying the magazine (thus this isn't really a free advert at all - just don't buy it!).

Month after month after month of utterly unbelievable uninformed drivel dripping from the page.

I would rather have seen F1 Racing's own Matt Bishop (the biggest F1 wannabe in the media) or Peter Windsor (the most bitter F1 never-was in the media) running their own F1 team (and then having a column full of their opinions) than Eddie Jordan having done so. At least Bishop and Windsor know what they are talking about (most of the time anyway).

[baddog]

Originally posted by Imperial
I would rather have seen F1 Racing's own Matt Bishop (the biggest F1 wannabe in the media) or Peter Windsor (the most bitter F1 never-was in the media) running their own F1 team (and then having a column full of their opinions) than Eddie Jordan having done so. At least Bishop and Windsor know what they are talking about (most of the time anyway).

I dont want to be rude, but Ive rarely read something so stupid. Jordan in their 10 years contributed a LOT to F1. Just because we find him annoying doesnt mean we have to minimis what he has achieved in the past.

[Imperial]

Originally posted by baddog


I dont want to be rude, but Ive rarely read something so stupid. Jordan in their 10 years contributed a LOT to F1. Just because we find him annoying doesnt mean we have to minimis what he has achieved in the past.

I was talking about Jordan the man, not Jordan the team.

His team did do relatively well, I was especially impressed by their 1999 season, but nevertheless I have never looked upon Eddie Jordan as anything more than a blagger whose team had a good season because he'd been lucky enough to have a competent group of people together at just the right time (which fell apart, metaphorically and physically, as quickly as it came together - Mike Gascoigne, Heinz-Harald Frenzten, etc).

He has always talked **** though.

[AD]

So all of his successes were down to just luck then?

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.

[Imperial]

Originally posted by AD
So all of his successes were down to just luck then?

Luck is where preparation meets opportunity.

Eddie? Is that you?

[Cheap Wine Alesi]

Originally posted by Imperial
Not that I want to give F1 Racing (at least the Uk edition) a free advertisement, but you can catch more bullshit spouting from Eddie Jordan's mouth every month on the back page of said magazine.

Actually, his article is always small enough to read in a shop without actually buying the magazine (thus this isn't really a free advert at all - just don't buy it!).

Month after month after month of utterly unbelievable uninformed drivel dripping from the page.

I would rather have seen F1 Racing's own Matt Bishop (the biggest F1 wannabe in the media) or Peter Windsor (the most bitter F1 never-was in the media) running their own F1 team (and then having a column full of their opinions) than Eddie Jordan having done so. At least Bishop and Windsor know what they are talking about (most of the time anyway).

peter windsor is without a doubt the biggest idiot to ever write anything about F1 and his "analytical" articles arent good enough for my cat to **** on them.Thats my opinion on windsor.

[Lauda]

Originally posted by Cheap Wine Alesi


peter windsor is without a doubt the biggest idiot to ever write anything about F1 and his "analytical" articles arent good enough for my cat to **** on them.Thats my opinion on windsor.

And mine on you ;)

[Lifew12]

Originally posted by Option1
Why would I listen to something perjoratively titled "Trial" and the obvious inference that there is something he needs to be tried for? **** that for a joke.

Neil

This will be the first of many - they can't try him for all his misdemeanours at once as it would take too long.

He should hang.

[Ross Stonefeld]

He's probably hanging by the pool right now.

[Limits]

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
He's probably hanging by the pool right now.

Hehe, pool position was always his goal.

[Jordan191]

Originally posted by baddog


I dont want to be rude, but Ive rarely read something so stupid. Jordan in their 10 years contributed a LOT to F1. Just because we find him annoying doesnt mean we have to minimis what he has achieved in the past.

closer to 15 years, and I agree. Too bad he pissed it away

[Option1]

Originally posted by Lifew12


This will be the first of many - they can't try him for all his misdemeanours at once as it would take too long.

He should hang.

Oh look a moron wandered in. Take a seat over there please sir. The doctor will be with you shortly.

Neil

[Sakae]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why? Because he 'found' this talent. It's Eddies only legacy. His apologies for Schumacher in that interview are beyond embarassing.

More people now see the light; I am sorry that you are still on wrong side of the fence.;)

[Jordan191]

The biggest problem I had with Eddie was his points were right but he got lost in the details ...

And half of the time the 'prosecution' was making the 'defense''s case. This was great stuff

I like the conclusions though .
Especially the comment at the end

'there has never been a driver that is as fustratingly brilliant or brilliantly fustrating'

[kar]

Jordan was a little too kind to Michael, even a fan of Michael like myself can admit to that.

But for as much as a Jordan might be biased toward Michael, someone like Rowlinson is an (unashamed) biased Brit butt kisser (read the sycophantic renault round table 'interview' ...) and no fan of Michael (he isn't British after all..).

Basically mocking Jordan while ignoring Rowlinson's questionable impartiality is pretty churlish.

[Ricardo F1]

The whole thing was a joke, Jordan was just the most offensive and laughable.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Ricardo F1
The whole thing was a joke, Jordan was just the most offensive and laughable.

What did Eddie Jordan say that offended you?

[Insane111]

Well, he did basically say that to think Schumacher cheated on those occasions you had been duped by the british press into thinking so. It suggests that we're easily manipulated and hold a grudge for nationality reasons over whats quite a serious issue.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Insane111
Well, he did basically say that to think Schumacher cheated on those occasions you had been duped by the british press into thinking so. It suggests that we're easily manipulated and hold a grudge for nationality reasons over whats quite a serious issue.

I am not british, and don't read british press...
;)

[Insane111]

There you go then, his point is disproved

[RDM]

Partially, although the British press, especially in the "Hill" years, was rabidly partisan in favour of Hill, and bordering on xenophobic in respect of Schumacher at times.

Eddie pushes the point too far, certainly, but there was certainly some truth in what he said.

[Lifew12]

Originally posted by Option1
Oh look a moron wandered in. Take a seat over there please sir. The doctor will be with you shortly.

Neil

Thanks, but i'll just join Mr Schumacher by the pool.

[RDM]

Originally posted by Lifew12


Thanks, but i'll just join Mr Schumacher by the pool.

You had seemed to suggest he would be nearer the gallows. Tasteful.

[ensign14]

Originally posted by RDM
Partially, although the British press, especially in the "Hill" years, was rabidly partisan in favour of Hill, and bordering on xenophobic in respect of Schumacher at times.

This is presumably the same British press that did not have such a downer on Prost, Piquet, Hakkinen, Montoya, Raikkonen, Alonso and basically any driver who does not repeatedly try to win titles by shunting rivals?