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#1 george1981

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 17:48

I was wondering what next years cars will look like? As the regulations haven't changed significantly I would guess most cars will be iterations of the 2012 designs. The coanda exhuaust seems to be the must have aerodynamic feature. There's the vanity cover for the nose step.
How many teams will make a big effort with next years cars? Will some people be concentrating on the 2014 regulation changes and not bother too much next year?

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#2 UPRC

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 17:54

I'll be happy as long as they don't have stepped noses.

Even though I DID get used to the stepped noses this year, it didn't make them any less ugly.

#3 Wander

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 18:08

The noses most likely won't be stepped next year, thanks to a new regulation. From Formula1.com:

"The stepped noses seen on most of this season’s Formula One cars - and deemed ugly by many - are very likely to disappear next year, thanks to a change in the FIA’s technical regulations allowing teams to cover them with special fairings.

The revised rules, just published by Formula One racing’s governing body, give details of the ‘modesty panels,’ which can be used to smooth the transition between the low nose and the high chassis. The fairings will not affect the car’s impact-protection properties and teams will not be able to modify them to gain an aerodynamic advantage.

Article 3.7.9 of the 2013 technical regulations refers to the new panels as “an optional, single piece, non-structural fairing of prescribed laminate (whose precise lay-up may be found in the Appendix to the regulations) which may not be more than 625mm above the reference plane at any point.”"

Also, heard on a Flying Lap episode from a month or so back that 2014 car rules are going to bring back the low noses similar to those of the early 90s.

Edited by Wander, 29 November 2012 - 18:11.


#4 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 21:57

I photoshopped the nose vanity cover onto the Merc pre-season (and the happy faces). Proof if it was needed that the FIA keep a close eye on my work and take it very seriously.

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#5 schubacca

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:02

Mercedes will produce a car that is hard on the tires.

The car will have some innovation that they will abandon mid season.

DRS will frequently jam. Transmissions will fail.

The car will be used to develop the 2014 car, because the have not got all the pieces in place for success...

#6 showtime

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 22:03

I'm sure a team is going to try something different with those nose covers.

#7 Kucki

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 23:20

Now that overtakings have become all about pressing a button, cant we go back to beautiful cars

#8 Bartel

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:45

Launch dates anyone?

#9 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:01

Now that overtakings have become all about pressing a button, cant we go back to beautiful cars


What era would that be?

#10 Tombstone

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:16

What era would that be?


1967

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Edit: Which rather nicely matches your avatar

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:20

:up:

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#12 windy1603

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 13:35

Does the fixed weight distribution regulation expire next year. ?

It could make it a lot easier to manage tyre issues if it does

#13 Dolph

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:47

What era would that be?


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#14 Shiroo

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:23

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that is definetly NOT a beautiful car.

best cars were made in 2007 ~

#15 MrFondue

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:28

that is definetly NOT a beautiful car.

best cars were made in 2007 ~

The winglet abominations? Seriously?

Edited by MrFondue, 02 December 2012 - 11:32.


#16 eronrules

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 13:10

that is definetly NOT a beautiful car.

best cars were made in 2007 ~


TBH, the last best (beast) looking cars were made in 2005, they were monsterous as well as powerfull, with sufficient curves to make them masculine, from 2006 onward, they piled on aero pieces till 2010, which were frankly hideous.

and IMHO, the best looking (and menacing too) F1 car of the 2000's was the mighty MP4-20 , with steel grey ice cold tone (why macca chose to go BLing with chrome baffles me still) with the Iceman at the steering wheel .... :love:


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i particularly liked the 'Devil horn' winglet near the intake ...

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#17 noikeee

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 13:14

that is definetly NOT a beautiful car.


:confused: :cry:


#18 BrokenBaculum

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 13:14

TBH, the last best (beast) looking cars were made in 2005, they were monsterous as well as powerfull, with sufficient curves to make them masculine, from 2006 onward, they piled on aero pieces till 2010, which were frankly hideous.

and IMHO, the best looking (and menacing too) F1 car of the 2000's was the mighty MP4-20 , with steel grey ice cold tone (why macca chose to go BLing with chrome baffles me still) with the Iceman at the steering wheel .... :love:


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i particularly liked the 'Devil horn' winglet near the intake ...

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Agree totally. That is a beautiful, beautiful racing car.

#19 Crafty

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 15:03

we've done this before: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=158202

The new cars fulfill a purpose but those "stick a wing anywhere" things from 5 years ago are god damm ugly. I think the 2012 cars looked a bit better, but not much.

More interested to see why modern cars have the shape they do, its all done for a purposeful reason rather than to look good.

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#20 fisssssi

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 15:51

Each to their own :)

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Personally I don't find the low noses of the early 90s at all attractive. High noses FTW.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 15:54

1967

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Edit: Which rather nicely matches your avatar

How does the DRS work on that?

#22 Wander

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 16:16

To be honest, I think they should chuck all the wings off and make them 6-wheelers! ;)

E: grammar

Edited by Wander, 02 December 2012 - 18:27.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 17:26

The noses most likely won't be stepped next year, thanks to a new regulation. From Formula1.com:

"The stepped noses seen on most of this season’s Formula One cars - and deemed ugly by many - are very likely to disappear next year, thanks to a change in the FIA’s technical regulations allowing teams to cover them with special fairings.

The revised rules, just published by Formula One racing’s governing body, give details of the ‘modesty panels,’ which can be used to smooth the transition between the low nose and the high chassis. The fairings will not affect the car’s impact-protection properties and teams will not be able to modify them to gain an aerodynamic advantage.

Article 3.7.9 of the 2013 technical regulations refers to the new panels as “an optional, single piece, non-structural fairing of prescribed laminate (whose precise lay-up may be found in the Appendix to the regulations) which may not be more than 625mm above the reference plane at any point.”"

Also, heard on a Flying Lap episode from a month or so back that 2014 car rules are going to bring back the low noses similar to those of the early 90s.


Yep, the tip of the nose must be no higher than 185mm above the ground (currently its 550mm), front wings are getting made narrower too (1650mm wide, currently 1800mm), "beam wings" are getting banned (at least that the intention) and the rear wing's angle will be shallower. Quite a change.

http://scarbsf1.com/...lation-changes/


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#24 Wander

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 18:28

Yeah, I'm not going to mind those aerodynamic changes at all. Should cut down on the downforce a bit, at least for a while.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 18:58

I think we'll have better looking cars next year, but hey, there's a thread for "your favourite car design" somewhere...
The stepped noses I believe will remain, but be covered up as already said.... Can someone explain the logic in that? Is it just a dimensional allowance?

#26 Crafty

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 21:02

I think we'll have better looking cars next year, but hey, there's a thread for "your favourite car design" somewhere...
The stepped noses I believe will remain, but be covered up as already said.... Can someone explain the logic in that? Is it just a dimensional allowance?


IIRC its because the lower wishbone mount has to be a certain height off the ground, this dictates where the upper wishbone mount needs to be.
The easiest way to oblige the nose height rule and the wishbone mount rule was to have a step in the nose.

Low noses get a thumbs up in my book, looks right..

Edit: I wonder if it means we'll get noses like the Jordan 191..
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#27 Zava

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 21:12

I think we'll have better looking cars next year, but hey, there's a thread for "your favourite car design" somewhere...
The stepped noses I believe will remain, but be covered up as already said.... Can someone explain the logic in that? Is it just a dimensional allowance?

in a crash, it still works as a stepped nose, but you get the better looks of the pre-2012 noses. keeps the positives of both concept :up:

#28 CrucialXtreme

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 22:53

I was wondering what next years cars will look like? As the regulations haven't changed significantly I would guess most cars will be iterations of the 2012 designs. The coanda exhuaust seems to be the must have aerodynamic feature. There's the vanity cover for the nose step.
How many teams will make a big effort with next years cars? Will some people be concentrating on the 2014 regulation changes and not bother too much next year?

9 times out of 10 they're going to look damn near identical to this year. Not much will change. I think most teams will keep the noses as high as possible.
Curious to see what the vanity panels will look like though.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 23:11

Will this be the last year of the airbox above the drivers head? The 2014 turbo engines should negate the need for the airbox and make for an mp4/4 style of engine cover with a roll hoop surely?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 23:41

Will this be the last year of the airbox above the drivers head? The 2014 turbo engines should negate the need for the airbox and make for an mp4/4 style of engine cover with a roll hoop surely?


That would be interesting...


#31 eronrules

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 23:51

That would be interesting...


the airbox will stay. Indy car folllows the same rule too, airbox forms part of the roll hoop.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 00:59

How does the DRS work on that?


Drag reduction?

Dan has to duck his head, just a little.

#33 Bartel

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:48

Wonder how the McLaren will look with a higher nose...I believe thats the route they will be taking and how much time they can find with the full benefit of better underbody aero, I do prefer low noses though, the McLarens of 98 99 2000 were great, the Ferraris of the same years would be as high as Id allow, the Arrows in 02 were monstrosities but they looked incredibly devlish.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:40

with all that supposed loss of downforce in 2014, all they'll need is an extra 300+hp and things could get interesting

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:44

IIRC its because the lower wishbone mount has to be a certain height off the ground, this dictates where the upper wishbone mount needs to be.
The easiest way to oblige the nose height rule and the wishbone mount rule was to have a step in the nose.

Low noses get a thumbs up in my book, looks right..

Edit: I wonder if it means we'll get noses like the Jordan 191..
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so the rumors were true ... jordan was funded by Osama :rotfl:

BTW, i've seen many people praise this car, but i've always thought this car looked like someone added out of proportion FW and Bi-plane RW to a Formula Ford car. the acrual chasis is so narrow.

Edited by eronrules, 03 December 2012 - 09:45.


#36 eronrules

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:49

with all that supposed loss of downforce in 2014, all they'll need is an extra 300+hp and things could get interesting



yep, interesting in the sense that RB will finally have a car matching power to the mercs/ferraris and there dominance will be more profound. TC v6s will top 700+ but what'd make it interesting is the wide power range (and torque) of a turbo engine. so instead of constant shifting between 18-18.5K, we'll have some good gear ratios and interesting races (atleast for the first year or so) also interesting will be use of coanda with TC engines, specially if someone decides on one TC over 2 smaller ones.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:06

I would like that they make the front wing smaller. I still can't get used to the snowplough size. It also brings a lot of punctures and broken front wings.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:10

I would like that they make the front wing smaller. I still can't get used to the snowplough size. It also brings a lot of punctures and broken front wings.


wait for 2014, your wish will come true :smoking:

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:42

so the rumors were true ... jordan was funded by Osama :rotfl:


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 13:45

I would like that they make the front wing smaller. I still can't get used to the snowplough size. It also brings a lot of punctures and broken front wings.


Yeah! Do this instead:

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 14:12

wait for 2014, your wish will come true :smoking:


Only 15 cm less.

Why not: front wings should fit between the front wheels when they are lined up to drive in a straight line. Since the width and tire sizes are a given, you can deduct the size for the wing. You can also end the square end plates. They were ruled to prevent punctures, but that clearly didn't work. Oh yeah, why not bring back the wider cars? Weren't the cars made smaller due to higher cornering speeds with the more stable wide cars?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 14:37

yep, interesting in the sense that RB will finally have a car matching power to the mercs/ferraris and there dominance will be more profound. TC v6s will top 700+ but what'd make it interesting is the wide power range (and torque) of a turbo engine. so instead of constant shifting between 18-18.5K, we'll have some good gear ratios and interesting races (atleast for the first year or so) also interesting will be use of coanda with TC engines, specially if someone decides on one TC over 2 smaller ones.


Indeed. Having one or two centrifugal pumps in the exhaust system may indeed have its merits - particularly off-throttle with the reverse compounding effect.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 14:54

Indeed. Having one or two centrifugal pumps in the exhaust system may indeed have its merits - particularly off-throttle with the reverse compounding effect.

As of 2014, exhaust-floor blowing will be history.
-There will be a single turbo and single pipe exhaust in 2014. Don't see how that could be used for floor blowing.
-Heat recovery and energy regeneration from the exhaust will take out all worthwhile energy from the exhaust.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:11

As of 2014, exhaust-floor blowing will be history.
-There will be a single turbo and single pipe exhaust in 2014. Don't see how that could be used for floor blowing.
-Heat recovery and energy regeneration from the exhaust will take out all worthwhile energy from the exhaust.


With variable vane technology and motorized spooling of the turbo off-throttle you can defo get a prounounced pumping effect........ Like a hairdryer I guess. It's just an issue of what the teams decide to be of most value. For example - Red Bull have always put a premium on packaging and aero over KERS...... And cleaned up.

Gonna be interesting...... And very, very expensive.........

Maybe Hamilton is not such a mug after all............

Edited by maverick69, 03 December 2012 - 15:12.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:15

The Lotus "Device" will probably be developed and refined on all cars until it is very effective by the end of season.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 15:41

With variable vane technology and motorized spooling of the turbo off-throttle you can defo get a prounounced pumping effect........ Like a hairdryer I guess. It's just an issue of what the teams decide to be of most value. For example - Red Bull have always put a premium on packaging and aero over KERS...... And cleaned up.

Gonna be interesting...... And very, very expensive.........

Maybe Hamilton is not such a mug after all............


I think that's a Newey trait that goes back to his Leyton House days.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 16:50

With variable vane technology and motorized spooling of the turbo off-throttle you can defo get a prounounced pumping effect........ Like a hairdryer I guess. It's just an issue of what the teams decide to be of most value. For example - Red Bull have always put a premium on packaging and aero over KERS...... And cleaned up.

Gonna be interesting...... And very, very expensive.........

Maybe Hamilton is not such a mug after all............

Still, a single pipe exit will not be of any use.
The excitement in 2014 will be more about powertrain and electronics.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 17:14

yep, interesting in the sense that RB will finally have a car matching power to the mercs/ferraris and there dominance will be more profound. TC v6s will top 700+ but what'd make it interesting is the wide power range (and torque) of a turbo engine. so instead of constant shifting between 18-18.5K, we'll have some good gear ratios and interesting races (atleast for the first year or so) also interesting will be use of coanda with TC engines, specially if someone decides on one TC over 2 smaller ones.

Don't know about that. WRC cars also use little variation in rev count. They're between 5500 and 6500.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 16:14

I think that's a Newey strength that goes back to his Leyton House days.


Corrected. Always play to your strengths.

Not that excited about V6 Turbos. Lower revving, quieter. Probably more efficient but that's not what makes people want to watch an F1 car.


Only 15 cm less.

Why not: front wings should fit between the front wheels when they are lined up to drive in a straight line. Since the width and tire sizes are a given, you can deduct the size for the wing. You can also end the square end plates. They were ruled to prevent punctures, but that clearly didn't work. Oh yeah, why not bring back the wider cars? Weren't the cars made smaller due to higher cornering speeds with the more stable wide cars?



I've said for years they should widen the cars and reduce the aero if only for the fact a squarer track/wheelbase ratio makes the cars more exciting to watch. Since the 1800mm track rules came in the cars can't achieve any kind of slip angle. They'll have to ban Grosjean first though, imagine how many more people he'd take out with an extra 100mm at each corner to compensate for.

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 04 December 2012 - 16:19.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 19:31

that is definetly NOT a beautiful car.

best cars were made in 2007 ~


Just a question: when did you start activbely following F1?